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Ran a 10k - Official Thread (12 Viewers)

Gianmarco - I would still track with Strava and turn off notifications if you can't convince yourself to ignore them.  

My two cents on whether to have a set distance or not - you are still new to running and there's a lot of you won't know right now - if you want to make this a permanent thing I think there's two main things that will prevent that: 

1. Have a strict plan that you MUST adhere to or feel like a failure - this will make you hate running

2. Getting injured

Give your body time to adjust and stay healthy and make sure you are having fun - that would be my recommendation.

 
Ha, awesome, thanks for all the replies. 

1)  I can't turn off the notifications...I. Just. Can't.  And I KNEW you guys were going to tell me that.  Not knowing what I'm doing would drive me nuts.  I MIGHT try it, but honestly that was one of the things I was most excited about when I started using Strava.  In fact, I was running by a couple people yesterday and didn't hear the voice tell me one of the splits and it made me crazy that I missed it. 

2)  I don't know if this will be a long term thing although it's something I'm getting used to now.  This mostly just started with wanting to get into better shape as I haven't been athletically active in years.  I had started lifting weights a couple months earlier and combined with this I just feel so much better overall so I do plan on continuing for that reason, not to become a serious runner or racer.  I'd like to do well in this 5k in October but after that, doing 2-3 miles a few times a week will probably be ok even though you guys are telling me that won't be the case.  I'm just happy that I'm actually starting to enjoy it some because I know it's getting me into better shape and it's getting easier to do.

3)  I've seen a couple mentions of it so I thought I'd bring up that I don't feel sore or tired after any of these runs.  In fact, in the past when I tried running a couple times, my back would hurt for days.  Now that I'm in better shape, stretch more (particularly hamstrings almost daily), and have the right shoes, for example, I've had none of that.  Knock on wood and it's early, but nothing hurts, legs or feet don't feel tired, and so far that part has been great.  My rate limiting aspect of my runs is cardio-wise where I get winded when I push.  At the same time, if I don't feel that I feel like I'm not doing enough and I need to get over that.  I don't know, going out and doing a run at 10:00 pace bothers me mentally even though it shouldn't.  And honestly, especially after doing that 5.5 miles with my wife and still feeling good at the end, if I went and did a "slow" 10:00 pace I feel like I could probably run longer.  Right now, with the advice of "just get out and run", I'm trying to strike a balance and get in at least 2-3 miles each time and I'm already kind of doing the variations on the runs (one longer run, one faster run, and 2 just go out and runs).  I like that too and so I think I'll keep up with that. 

4)  I honestly don't want a plan but I also have to see tangible results.  And I understand that's probably not a good thing, but knowing that a run feels easier at a pace now that was harder for me 2 weeks ago makes me "enjoy the run" that much more.  Without that feedback, especially during the run, I don't know if I'd want to keep going.  I'm only about a month into this anyway so I'm sure that will eventually change and I can just run without thinking about it, but it's hard.

5)  This is really, really dumb but when I'm out there and things feel tough and I think to myself "man, how do these guys run at a 7:30 for so long and I can barely do 9:30", it bugs me even though I know it's completely unrealistic to expect that I could do that.  At the same time, now that I see that some of you will go out and do these slower runs compared to what you're capable of has helped me realize that not only is it ok, but it's actually a good thing.

So believe me, I'm reading everything you guys are telling me and trying to follow it even if it's hard for me to do.  I MIGHT turn off those notifications for a run.  I MIGHT just go and do a nice, slow, relaxing run next time.  My ego and competitive nature is both a good and bad thing and I recognize that.  That's part of why I post these things here to make sure I'm not crazy and to know you guys went through some of it as well is very, very helpful. 

 
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Ha, awesome, thanks for all the replies. 

1)  I can't turn off the notifications...I. Just. Can't.  And I KNEW you guys were going to tell me that.  Not knowing what I'm doing would drive me nuts.  I MIGHT try it, but honestly that was one of the things I was most excited about when I started using Strava.  In fact, I was running by a couple people yesterday and didn't hear the voice tell me one of the splits and it made me crazy that I missed it. 
try it one day. just go no watch. you should have a fair idea of distances if your start point is the same. i know exactly the mileage (not to the hundredth) depending on specific routes. time is a rough guess, of course, but my breathing and fatigue tell me how fast i'm going so from there i can pretty well gauge how fast i'm running.

i have a thing where i count to 175 when i start off. if breathing through nose completely at the end then the pace is good.  if mouth breathing at all, i back off. it helps me to reset mid-run, too. if it feels like i'm going too fast, breathing too hard, i'll pick a spot on the ground and start counting to 175 after i reach that spot.  almost always gets me back on rhythm.

5)  This is really, really dumb but when I'm out there and things feel tough and I think to myself "man, how do these guys run at a 7:30 for so long and I can barely do 9:30", it bugs me even though I know it's completely unrealistic to expect that I could do that.  At the same time, now that I see that some of you will go out and do these slower runs compared to what you're capable of has helped me realize that not only is it ok, but it's actually a good thing.
i've just told myself most of these guys are liars :mellow:  it really helps the self-esteem. if/when someone posts a link to their finish, i assume it's MS Paint :mellow:

one thing tell my wife every year when she re-starts (before she quits in mid-June) is, don't worry about what anyone else is doing... you have no idea if that guy/woman has been running for a week, a year or a decade. or if today is a hard day, a slow day or they're somewhere in between. they aren't judging you. be proud of yourself for being out there and putting in the time. running isn't helping anyone but you so stay with it and tune everyone else out.

except at race time. don't get elbowed out at the finish by an 11 year old :mellow:

 
one thing tell my wife every year when she re-starts (before she quits in mid-June) is, don't worry about what anyone else is doing... you have no idea if that guy/woman has been running for a week, a year or a decade. or if today is a hard day, a slow day or they're somewhere in between. they aren't judging you. be proud of yourself for being out there and putting in the time. running isn't helping anyone but you so stay with it and tune everyone else out.
For the record, I pretty much judge everyone I see:  How is their running form?  How fast are they running?  Are they wearing proper clothing for the weather?  How hard are they running?  Is this someone serious or someone I'll probably never see again?  Are they going to wave/greet me if I wave/greet them or are they clueless/rude?

 
For the record, I pretty much judge everyone I see:  How is their running form?  How fast are they running?  Are they wearing proper clothing for the weather?  How hard are they running?  Is this someone serious or someone I'll probably never see again?  Are they going to wave/greet me if I wave/greet them or are they clueless/rude?
:lol:

I do this too. 

 
Alright, back for some newbish questions. 

First of all, I went back and read some of my first posts in here after some of the recent discussions.  It's only been a bit over a month but man, what an idiot!  I wrote some stupid stuff.  So thanks for helping me along in the beginning.

I've been just running more like you guys have said and it seems to be working.  Runs are getting easier and more enjoyable.  I've also tried to slow down on some to just enjoy, but inevitably I can't keep it up, so here's my questions:

1)  When you go run, do you always have a preset distance or plan for your run or do you see how things go and take it from there?  I could write a novel that nobody wants to read, so I'll try to be as clear and concise as possible.  I make a plan for the month ahead.  But I re-assess each week when I get there.  I structure that week to hit whatever goals I'm currently striving for.  But always try to leave Sunday as an easy day.  That way if my body is just not behaving itself for a key workout then I can push everything back a day.  For you - at this point, if it isn't there, don't force it.

2)  Yesterday, I started a run and felt great for the first 2 miles which isn't how it usually goes for me.  My 3rd mile felt easier and I started picking up the pace.  When I started the 4th mile, had to decide whether to just keep doing what I was doing and do more distance or push it even more and see what I could do at that point.  I opted for the latter, did about a minute faster pace during the 4th mile and finished with running about as fast as I could for final 1/10th mile.  Is that wrong?  Should I have just kept the same pace and run for a longer distance?  I finished at 3.7 miles, which is still a pretty long distance for me (even though it was much easier this time), but I probably could have gotten to 5+ miles if I kept the slower pace.  You loosened up as you went?  Awesome, you're becoming a distance runner.  This is how most of us feel - like #### starting then somewhere between great and not uncomfortable once the first couple of miles are out of the way.  I think it's great to pic it up late in the workout, just don't do it all of the time.  

3)  Along with the above, this is what I keep struggling with.  While I run, I hear the paces that Strava gives me every half mile.  The feedback is awesome, but often I'll hear a pace and think that I can do better or what happens if I push a bit more and inevitably overdo it.  How do I tell myself to turn that off and just keep going or is it ok to do that?  It's hard because I get frustrated when I'm on a run and hear a pace that's lower than others that I've done and want to try to match it. It takes discipline, but I have the notifications turned off and try not to check my current status at all.  I usually only check during speed workouts, but it's probably not a be-all end-all.  That said, I've also been running for more than 20 years so I feel comfortable guessing my current pace.  When I feel that urge to check I remind myself it takes extra energy to do so, save that energy for the run.

4)  Finally, I've signed up for the 5k with my wife in October.  Another friend will be joining us as well so I don't know if I'll even have to worry about the 8:30 pace.  That said, if I do, does that mean I need to be consistently running at that pace beforehand?  A better pace?  I have no idea what happens during race day and how close to it I need to get.  Try not to go out too fast, especially if it's a well attended event.  Dodging all the other racers that first mile is an energy waster.  Once things break up pick up the pace.  You should get to the third mile questioning what you're doing because you're miserable, but you're not at imminent death just yet.  The goal is to get to that point, death, by the end of mile 3.  Then despite that, sprint in anyway.  Fun sport, huh?

 
Just a sprained MCL.  It should heal on it's own, but officially ruled out for 4 weeks with a follow-up appointment on 9/27.

:whew: 

 
For the record, I pretty much judge everyone I see:  How is their running form?  How fast are they running?  Are they wearing proper clothing for the weather?  How hard are they running?  Is this someone serious or someone I'll probably never see again?  Are they going to wave/greet me if I wave/greet them or are they clueless/rude?
If I turn around right now, how long will it take for me to run them down?

 
For the record, I pretty much judge everyone I see:  How is their running form?  How fast are they running?  Are they wearing proper clothing for the weather?  How hard are they running?  Is this someone serious or someone I'll probably never see again?  Are they going to wave/greet me if I wave/greet them or are they clueless/rude?
remind me to sack tap you if we ever cross paths on a trail

you'll never see it coming, apparently :mellow:

 
5)  This is really, really dumb but when I'm out there and things feel tough and I think to myself "man, how do these guys run at a 7:30 for so long and I can barely do 9:30", it bugs me even though I know it's completely unrealistic to expect that I could do that.  At the same time, now that I see that some of you will go out and do these slower runs compared to what you're capable of has helped me realize that not only is it ok, but it's actually a good thing.
If you want to feel challenged on your slower runs, then up the distance on one of them every week.  I think I teared up the first time I completed a 20 mile training run, I was so proud of myself.  But it took months of building up to that, and months (years) before that became "easy".  

Running easy (slow) will make you faster.  There's lots of evidence of that.

 
So helpful.

BTW, I may not have explained my last question correctly.

If my goal is to run the 5k at an 8:30 pace, should I be running that pace in the week or two leading up to it? Do I need to be running faster than that so I can do it on race day? Or does adrenaline kick in and you run faster on race day than others and as long as I'm close I have a chance at it?

 
For the record, I pretty much judge everyone I see:  How is their running form?  How fast are they running?  Are they wearing proper clothing for the weather?  How hard are they running?  Is this someone serious or someone I'll probably never see again?  Are they going to wave/greet me if I wave/greet them or are they clueless/rude?
I thought you were a dude  - my mistake   ;)  

 
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So helpful.

BTW, I may not have explained my last question correctly.

If my goal is to run the 5k at an 8:30 pace, should I be running that pace in the week or two leading up to it? Do I need to be running faster than that so I can do it on race day? Or does adrenaline kick in and you run faster on race day than others and as long as I'm close I have a chance at it?
I think a race day simulation a week or two out is great.  Not just the actual run, but your entire night before/morning routine.  Try to run it like the real thing, but you'll almost certainly run faster on race day.  The week of though?  Just chill.  You will literally get a different week of routine from every single one of us, but they all are centered around the same thing - taking it easy.  

 
I think a race day simulation a week or two out is great.  Not just the actual run, but your entire night before/morning routine.  Try to run it like the real thing, but you'll almost certainly run faster on race day.  The week of though?  Just chill.  You will literally get a different week of routine from every single one of us, but they all are centered around the same thing - taking it easy.  
And chicken breasts.  Lots and lots of chicken breasts.

Or is rice now?  All the rice.

 
Just a sprained MCL.  It should heal on it's own, but officially ruled out for 4 weeks with a follow-up appointment on 9/27.

:whew: 
Awesome.  Did you get an MRI, or is this just based off the doctor's physical examination?

 
You bastards....

I just did a short run after working out and start going and....my headphones died (I've forgotten to charge them for a while).  So guess who couldn't get any updates while running?  I blame all of you.

P.S. -- I hated it.

 
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For the record, I pretty much judge everyone I see:  How is their running form?  How fast are they running?  Are they wearing proper clothing for the weather?  How hard are they running?  Is this someone serious or someone I'll probably never see again?  Are they going to wave/greet me if I wave/greet them or are they clueless/rude?
Me too, though maybe not with this much detail.  What's funny is that when I'm with my wife and a runner passes nearby, she looks at me and laughs 'cause she knows I'm analyzing their stride. 

 
I have to say I'm envious of you guys that have consistent running partners.  As I mentioned I ran about 3 miles with an old HS buddy Saturday and tonight I ran for the first time with my 11 year old - not because he couldn't keep up with me but rather because I couldn't keep up with him (and still can't).  He's the athletic beast in the family (older brother is the bookworm).  so I told him I was going running and he said he'd go with me.  I told him in the beginning to take off whenever he felt like it and leave me behind but he had basketball practice earlier in the day so I knew his legs wouldn't be up for going too fast.  Point is having someone to talk to and pace me just made it better and it being my kid was just a bonus.

Anyway - really good run for me.  I felt like I was moving really well but the route I took was really hilly (or I think it's really hilly - more on that in a minute).  I was able to run the whole time, including all the hills until the last big one where I had to do a little walking the last 1/3 of it.  3.2 miles - 11:19 pace - 571 feet of elevation gain.  I looked through several runs from you guys to get a gauge on whether that's a lot and from what I can tell it is a decent amount for that short of a distance.  I was just happy as I felt really strong almost throughout.

 
 I was able to run the whole time, including all the hills until the last big one where I had to do a little walking the last 1/3 of it.  3.2 miles - 11:19 pace - 571 feet of elevation gain.  I looked through several runs from you guys to get a gauge on whether that's a lot and from what I can tell it is a decent amount for that short of a distance.  I was just happy as I felt really strong almost throughout.
Doing some quick math, I've averaged about 19 ft/mile in elevation gains over the last month.  And sometimes I still think to myself, "Why did you pick this hilly route today?".

 
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Doing some quick math, I've averaged about 19 ft/mile in elevation gains over the last month.  And somethings I still think to myself, "Why did you pick this hilly route today?".
I've made elevation a priority this summer and I'm still only around 40-45' per mile.

 
Checking in here.  I'm coming up on the last big weekend before I start tapering for Ironman season this fall.  I've got IM Chattanooga on September 24th, IM Louisville 3 weeks later, then IM Florida 3 weeks after that.  Have a 6 hr ride (somewhere around 116-117 miles) and 1 hr run (around 7.5 miles) on Saturday, and a 30 mile trainer ride/20 mile run on Sunday.  Ready to be done, as I'm usually am at this point in a build.  My body aches, I can't sleep, and I'm eating all the foods.

 
I've made elevation a priority this summer and I'm still only around 40-45' per mile.
Hmm, my park run is about 50'/mile and my neighborhood run is closer to 100'/mile.  It's no DuckRun, but oof.

Luckily, running at my son's soccer field is completely flat.

 
#lifegoals

Hmm, my park run is about 50'/mile and my neighborhood run is closer to 100'/mile.  It's no DuckRun, but oof.

Luckily, running at my son's soccer field is completely flat.
That's legit, for sure.  

Sure I do a lot of elevation, but a lot of it isn't "running".  Looks like I'm at 129'/mile for the year, but the flip side of that is a 12:46 overall pace.  Thirty hour 100 milers really hurt that avg.

Today's effort was 189'/mile at 12:19 pace.  I ran some of the climb, but some parts were just too steep.

Of course I don't really look at average pace at all as in general I'm focused on time on feet, so there's a lot of walking and hiking built into my averages.  I walk the first half mile every time out to warm up, stop the Garmin and do some dynamic stretches, and then start running.  I usually walk 1/4-1/2 mile at the end of each run to cool down as well, and don't turn the Garmin off until I'm done.  That's all just to say I'm slow, but not quite as slow as my averages indicate.

 
#lifegoals

That's legit, for sure.  

Sure I do a lot of elevation, but a lot of it isn't "running".  Looks like I'm at 129'/mile for the year, but the flip side of that is a 12:46 overall pace.  Thirty hour 100 milers really hurt that avg.

Today's effort was 189'/mile at 12:19 pace.  I ran some of the climb, but some parts were just too steep.

Of course I don't really look at average pace at all as in general I'm focused on time on feet, so there's a lot of walking and hiking built into my averages.  I walk the first half mile every time out to warm up, stop the Garmin and do some dynamic stretches, and then start running.  I usually walk 1/4-1/2 mile at the end of each run to cool down as well, and don't turn the Garmin off until I'm done.  That's all just to say I'm slow, but not quite as slow as my averages indicate.
I had a blip in my run Monday that was almost a 30% grade.  I smirked and said to myself - Duck would be proud.  :wub:

 
Alright, here we go...(collective groan)

I tried doing some 400m repeats (dude, just run and keep it simple)

1)  Where I did them has decent elevation up and down. Better to do these on flat ground? (See, you don't know what you're doing. Just run more and forget pace)

2)  Better to walk or jog in between or doesn't matter? How long? I was doing 30-60s of walking (See above... Just run).

3). How do you do these on Strava? I stopped in between each but not sure if that's right. Best way to record these? (Great, another Strava cheater)

Anyway, did 135 ft of elevation in that 1.2 miles, so suck it everyone except @SFBayDuck and @AAABatteriesDuck.

 
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Alright, here we go...(collective groan)

I tried doing some 400m repeats (dude, just run and keep it simple)

1)  Where I did them has decent elevation up and down. Better to do these on flat ground? (See, you don't know what you're doing. Just run more and forget pace)

2)  Better to walk or jog in between or doesn't matter? How long? I was doing 30-60s of walking (See above... Just run).

3). How do you do these on Strava? I stopped in between each but not sure if that's right. Best way to record these? (Great, another Strava cheater)
1)  I'd suggest flat ground.  Let the hard pace focus BE the focus without the stride changes of going up and down.

2)  Yes.  Walk/jog ...keep moving between.  I'll do anywhere from 1-2 minutes rest between reps.

3)  I think everyone can answer this but me.  Then again, my 30 years(and counting) of manual log books will be in this Thread's hall-of-fame someday.

 
You know what's funny, though:

It was a fun workout and I'm glad I went out and did it and tried it.  That said, I'm actually still tired now after that whereas that's not usually the case after even my recent longer runs.  And, when I was done, I was thinking "man, I would have much preferred to just go out and do 3-4 miles instead of that"....

What kind of idiots want to do shorter and faster runs instead of longer, slower runs?

 
Most of use the "lap" button on our watches.
Took me awhile, but I figured out how to program the workout into my Garmin - warmup, interval length, rest length, number of intervals, cool down.  That way I didn't have to keep looking at my watch to see how much longer/farther I had to go, it just buzzed at me.

 
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Idiots who want to get faster.

Speed workouts are hard in the moment but afterwards it is satisfying.  Plus your body will adjust to the faster pace.
Sorry, that was meant as a poke at myself.  

I was recently saying I had no interest to do long distances and rather do shorter stuff at a faster pace and figured the longer stuff would be harder. Silly how much I'm starting to realize in a short time. 

 
I was recently saying I had no interest to do long distances and rather do shorter stuff at a faster pace and figured the longer stuff would be harder. Silly how much I'm starting to realize in a short time. 
Welcome to the long distance club.  :headbang:

So, when is your first half?  :whistle:

 

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