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SFBayDuck
Footballguy
Lots of us have had some MAF experience, I think @-OZ- especially. And if you haven’t already, search the Endurance Planet podcast for MAF - they’ve done hours and hours on the topic, including several episodes with Maffetone himself.
Go with 140. I don’t think the exact number is too important, but if you haven’t focused on it, it will probably end up feeling a little slower than is comfortable to start.
Trust the process.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
I think this is kind of what I'm doing based on the feedback in here to just go slow for a long time. My target has been to stay around 140. I figure I need to do this for months and months to get any kind of real accurate read on things but I will say I went out tonight for a couple of miles and my legs were shot (I was just really fatigued in general) but my HR actually stayed in upper 120's the entire time. I couldn't get my legs to go fast enough consistently to get to 140. Then I just had to stop because I was so tired.
I was going a super slow pace but even after a few weeks it seemed to make at least some difference.
SFBayDuck
Footballguy
I started a new job last week, so neither my running nor thread participation is great right now. Trying to figure out the rhythm of the gig, including having a 90+ minute (each way) commute 1-2 times a week (for now). Right when @BassNBrew starts chiming in and posting bear pics, too.
I’m even missing Western States weekend again, as I have to fly to San Diego this Friday to pick up a truck and drive it back up here. I really hope things settle down in a week or two and I can get re-focused.
To the rest of you MAFing, eccentric heel dropping, medal mongering, heat complaining, poop obsessing, 100 mile week running, swimming/biking(?) BMFers......keep getting you some.
ETA: I'm also 163+ miles of race reports behind. Don't think Miwok is happening. Still hoping to get something written up for San Diego. For those that aren't connected with me on FB, this is a nice preview.
I’m even missing Western States weekend again, as I have to fly to San Diego this Friday to pick up a truck and drive it back up here. I really hope things settle down in a week or two and I can get re-focused.
To the rest of you MAFing, eccentric heel dropping, medal mongering, heat complaining, poop obsessing, 100 mile week running, swimming/biking(?) BMFers......keep getting you some.
ETA: I'm also 163+ miles of race reports behind. Don't think Miwok is happening. Still hoping to get something written up for San Diego. For those that aren't connected with me on FB, this is a nice preview.
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TripleThreat
Footballguy
The Iguana
Footballguy
sweet photo!
morning update (I'm sure everyone is on pins and needles to hear!)... heel was tight and a little sore this morning but didn't really "hurt". sore = ok, hurt = not so good. I'm sure more stretching back in the day would have done wonders for me but I miss when I could ignore that and it not matter. Between the hip, and now the heel, it's definitely a lesson I need to learn to make sure I'm spending plenty of time on the whole flexibility, recovery part of this sport.
Also note - last night as I was getting ready to head downtown, I looked at my shoes I was about to run in, which have been my favorite pair to wear lately , and noticed that the outside heel area of the shoe was really, really worn. Put those back and went out in a pair of ghost 11's that I have a few more miles in but that show considerably less wear than the Levitates I have been using lately. I have a huge tendency to make initial contact on the outside part of my foot - at least that is the part of a shoe that wears out far faster for me. Not sure if that is the cause/a cause, but kind of a bummer for those to be as worn as they were with only about 200 miles on them. They are the ones I have used on almost all of my long runs, however, including both 1/2 marathons this year.
Shoes are "supposed to" last about 400 or so miles, right? I currently have 3 pair that I've been cycling through. Mileage tracking last fall is a little suspect but this year should be pretty accurate. The pair that looks to be toast is my newest pair, and should have the least mileage on them, although all 3 pair are pretty close to each other (about 200 miles +/-) on them.
morning update (I'm sure everyone is on pins and needles to hear!)... heel was tight and a little sore this morning but didn't really "hurt". sore = ok, hurt = not so good. I'm sure more stretching back in the day would have done wonders for me but I miss when I could ignore that and it not matter. Between the hip, and now the heel, it's definitely a lesson I need to learn to make sure I'm spending plenty of time on the whole flexibility, recovery part of this sport.
Also note - last night as I was getting ready to head downtown, I looked at my shoes I was about to run in, which have been my favorite pair to wear lately , and noticed that the outside heel area of the shoe was really, really worn. Put those back and went out in a pair of ghost 11's that I have a few more miles in but that show considerably less wear than the Levitates I have been using lately. I have a huge tendency to make initial contact on the outside part of my foot - at least that is the part of a shoe that wears out far faster for me. Not sure if that is the cause/a cause, but kind of a bummer for those to be as worn as they were with only about 200 miles on them. They are the ones I have used on almost all of my long runs, however, including both 1/2 marathons this year.
Shoes are "supposed to" last about 400 or so miles, right? I currently have 3 pair that I've been cycling through. Mileage tracking last fall is a little suspect but this year should be pretty accurate. The pair that looks to be toast is my newest pair, and should have the least mileage on them, although all 3 pair are pretty close to each other (about 200 miles +/-) on them.
The Iguana
Footballguy
also for those interested, what I've basically done is every time I go near steps at work, I've stopped and done 5 to 10 lift/lower things on the edge of the step. Also stop at a wall, post, etc and lean into it to stretch out the back of my leg a ton. It really is amazing the difference in feel today than Monday - and the discomfort Monday had been a regular occurrence after every run for the last month (including time off).
Zasada
Footballguy
Is MAF training all-aerobic, all the time? Or can you work intervals in?gianmarco said:
FWIW, all my easy and long runs during my training cycle were done at aerobic levels (tried to stay in 132-140 range).
I have a standard 10K that I run and have now done 50 times. I like it because it's precisely the same run every time (except for weather) and I can measure progress. It's interesting to see how my pace increased during my last training cycle (late Feb start) while my average HR stayed about the same.
Post-marathon I've had a few runs with HRs well above the recent averages but I attribute that to my fitness degrading somewhat as well as some random variability.
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TripleThreat
Footballguy
The Iguana said:
Ain't no love like self love. 
bushdocda
Footballguy
ThisSFBayDuck said:
@gianmarco - A search of endurance planet site should show the questions covered in each episode and it has a ton of MAF guidance.Try this one as it covers adjusting MAF which is what most folks end up asking / doing
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/endurance-planet/id73330188?i=1000382751893 ATC 231
this one is more dense and Maffetone speaking puts me to zzzzzz but it lays out the geek speak.
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/endurance-planet/id73330188?i=1000395414171
I use 140 as my guide even though it’s technically 139 now as I’ve aged in human years. You will benefit from some flat routes so you can avoid some elevation HR fluctuation. So I stayed to the flats and really eased up to MAF HR over a mile or two so I didn’t go racing past my target HR. I don’t remember what distance a MAF test is, maybe 5 miles. I would try a couple MAF inspired runs before trying a test bc I botched a bunch of test attempts in the heat and got really frustrated. I also fudged my HR sometimes and didn’t worry about 5 or even 10 bpm sometimes esp. when it was hot. Just tried to bring it back down. I think you’ll initially have some frustration but it will get you to a good place if you slowly add mileage week by week as volume is the variable you’re increasing with MAF.
SFBayDuck
Footballguy
TripleThreat said:
I think so, anyway. It just gets in deeper than one of those sticks (that I also have several of), especially in the calves or around the IT bands.
It is spendy, but I bought it 3-4 years ago and have used it 100s of times, and will use it 100s more. So if you look at it that way, it makes the $$$$ a little easier to drop.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
So good that I've told Duck that I'm thinking of printing a copy for myself and framing it. Half-kidding. Now, if I could in-lay a pic up in the corner of his sweaty, dirty feet ...I'd be all over it.
-OZ-
Footballguy
YepSFBayDuck said:
Although I've moved more into a zone based approach recently after @Juxtatarot convinced me I should use the assessment, which put my zone 2 under 152, instead of MAF which would have me at 143. But I benefited a lot from using straight MAF for years.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Dusted off my HR monitor for my current Garmin (before switching to a Fenix next week). 6 miles @ 8:45/mi ...Avg HR 141. That's a good baseline to work from. I can run 8:40ish with a mid-140 HR (in warm temps today). Not MAF, but still slow-paced mileage.
gruecd
Footballguy
TripleThreat
Footballguy
Which one of you BMF is gonna do this.... cuz I'm ain't it.
https://3100.srichinmoyraces.org/
3100 miles in 52 days. ~60 miles/day to finish.
https://3100.srichinmoyraces.org/
3100 miles in 52 days. ~60 miles/day to finish.
JShare87
Footballguy
The Iguana
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
I am amazed someone thought this was a good idea and that there's been enough interest to result in it being a sustainable event. I can't imagine the set of circumstances that would need to be different vs. my current reality for me to even consider doing this. And that's if it weren't a #######' 1/2 mile circle.
bushdocda
Footballguy
ChiefD
Footballguy
See, this wouldn't be too bad. I could walk 3-4 miles in an hour. So 60 miles a day divided by say 3 miles would be 20 hours. You eat food while you walk from all the restaurants around there. Listen to e-books. Why not?
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tri-man 47
Footballguy
TripleThreat
Footballguy
only 6 finishers in 2018... YOU GOT THIS! 4 BMF dudes. 2 BMF ladies. 6A-midnight
1. Vasu Duzhiy, 52, St Petersburg Russia 44 days+16:03:53
2. Kobi Oren, 46, Kiryat Tivon Israel 46 days+03:24:48
3. Ushika Muckenhumer, 50, Salzburg Austria 50 days+07:34:46
4. Surasa Mairer, 59, Vienna Austria 51 days+12:47:37
5. Sopan Tsevtan Tsekov, 37, Sofia Bulgaria 51 days+16:46:38
6. Kaneenika Janakova, 48, Bratislava Slovakia 51 days+17:06:59
tri-man 47
Footballguy
You know what's true BMF? Vasu wins the thing by completing 3,100 miles on day 44. But Surasa, Sopan, and Kaneenika keep running laps for another week to complete their goal. All of us BMFs in St. Louis were whimpering about having to run a third leg late in day one.
TripleThreat
Footballguy
discovered this race listening to Rich Roll interview Sanjay Rawal who did a movie about it. 3100: Run and Become
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5_ho4iojhY - trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7glPtSxhXNY - podcast/interview.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5_ho4iojhY - trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7glPtSxhXNY - podcast/interview.
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-OZ-
Footballguy
I'm not even sure I'd do that on a bike...
Americans and Canadians are wimps.
JShare87
Footballguy
Only one was whimpering at running a 3rd leg. Same person that was whimpering before his 2nd leg.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Gave it a go for my 1st MAF run. I enjoyed it. As my wife had to go in to work this morning, I decided to get up early and run. Sidenote to that, whenever we sleep with a window open, the birds start going sometime between 4-5am and that ALWAYS wakes me up. Since I was planning on getting out before 6am, I figured I'd leave the window open and wake up that way. It actually worked well and I wasn't jolted by an alarm. Just got out of bed by 5:15a and headed out the door. I didn't have much time since she needed to leave but I was able to get a half hour in. I mention that only because I've never enjoyed running in the morning. But, with the incoming heat, I may start to. And this didn't feel that bad.
My thoughts:
1) Going slow wasn't as painful as I thought it might be. In fact, I had enough opportunity to vary my pace as I'll get to in a moment that this was a non-issue for me. I was also surprised to see my 1st minute pace as it didn't "feel" that slow due to #2. It was neat seeing it that slow without it killing me.
2) A lot of watch watching. The good thing is, I already have a really good feel for what my HR is while I'm running without even seeing it. The moment I felt I might be pushing over 140, I'd look down and settle in. I did set an alarm on the watch to beep for anything <130 or >140. For my first run, I think I did quite well with that. Only a few times did it creep over 140 and except for two times (143 and 144 at the very end), it never got over 142 and I got it back down to 140 quickly.
3) Because of all the focus on the watch and HR, my mind was actually pretty relaxed and it made for an enjoyable run even at the slow pace. I don't know if I've mentioned it before, but especially now since I run without music, my mind is nuts when I run. What do I think about while I'm out there usually? Running. But not necessarily in a good way. I think about what you guys do. And how cool it would be if I could do some of that. Or I'll think about how much a race sucked. Or how could I possibly run x
x pace when this pace right now feels like it does. Just constant thoughts about comparisons to previous runs and races and others and stuff I should just not worry about.
With all the focus on the HR this morning, I had none of that for the first time that I can remember. So it made for a very peaceful run.
3) I only had to walk twice. Both times on hills, walked for about 10 seconds to stop my HR climb. It is amazing the variation I have on hills. On anything with any sort of grade, I have to slow down to ~13:00 min/mile or it wants to shoot past 140. On the flip side, when I would hit a downhill, my HR would start to drop into the low 130's almost immediately. I used those to actually run faster and was in the mid 9's trying to get it back up to 140. That's what I meant above in that I can vary my pace to not keep it so slow due to the hills.
4) I ran a relatively "flat" run for where I live. It would be nice to do this on flatter terrain but that would involve me driving. So I may end up having to keep doing the same thing over and over here. But, I like this new "challenge" of maintaining my HR in a specific zone.
Is one hour/day of this kind of running enough (assume 6-7 times/week)? Is there still benefit if I'm only out for half hour?
My thoughts:
1) Going slow wasn't as painful as I thought it might be. In fact, I had enough opportunity to vary my pace as I'll get to in a moment that this was a non-issue for me. I was also surprised to see my 1st minute pace as it didn't "feel" that slow due to #2. It was neat seeing it that slow without it killing me.
2) A lot of watch watching. The good thing is, I already have a really good feel for what my HR is while I'm running without even seeing it. The moment I felt I might be pushing over 140, I'd look down and settle in. I did set an alarm on the watch to beep for anything <130 or >140. For my first run, I think I did quite well with that. Only a few times did it creep over 140 and except for two times (143 and 144 at the very end), it never got over 142 and I got it back down to 140 quickly.
3) Because of all the focus on the watch and HR, my mind was actually pretty relaxed and it made for an enjoyable run even at the slow pace. I don't know if I've mentioned it before, but especially now since I run without music, my mind is nuts when I run. What do I think about while I'm out there usually? Running. But not necessarily in a good way. I think about what you guys do. And how cool it would be if I could do some of that. Or I'll think about how much a race sucked. Or how could I possibly run x
x pace when this pace right now feels like it does. Just constant thoughts about comparisons to previous runs and races and others and stuff I should just not worry about. With all the focus on the HR this morning, I had none of that for the first time that I can remember. So it made for a very peaceful run.
3) I only had to walk twice. Both times on hills, walked for about 10 seconds to stop my HR climb. It is amazing the variation I have on hills. On anything with any sort of grade, I have to slow down to ~13:00 min/mile or it wants to shoot past 140. On the flip side, when I would hit a downhill, my HR would start to drop into the low 130's almost immediately. I used those to actually run faster and was in the mid 9's trying to get it back up to 140. That's what I meant above in that I can vary my pace to not keep it so slow due to the hills.
4) I ran a relatively "flat" run for where I live. It would be nice to do this on flatter terrain but that would involve me driving. So I may end up having to keep doing the same thing over and over here. But, I like this new "challenge" of maintaining my HR in a specific zone.
Is one hour/day of this kind of running enough (assume 6-7 times/week)? Is there still benefit if I'm only out for half hour?
TripleThreat
Footballguy
obvs an hour is better but from what I've read bare min is 20/30 min...
bushdocda
Footballguy
Gotta take what you can get time-wise. I used podcasts on easy run to fill my mind and keep me from watch watching. The morning approach will help minimize the heat effect on HR so that’s another pro for the bird alarm (maybe ask them to go off a bit earlier to get you more time out there)Gave it a go for my 1st MAF run. I enjoyed it. As my wife had to go in to work this morning, I decided to get up early and run. Sidenote to that, whenever we sleep with a window open, the birds start going sometime between 4-5am and that ALWAYS wakes me up. Since I was planning on getting out before 6am, I figured I'd leave the window open and wake up that way. It actually worked well and I wasn't jolted by an alarm. Just got out of bed by 5:15a and headed out the door. I didn't have much time since she needed to leave but I was able to get a half hour in. I mention that only because I've never enjoyed running in the morning. But, with the incoming heat, I may start to. And this didn't feel that bad.
My thoughts:
1) Going slow wasn't as painful as I thought it might be. In fact, I had enough opportunity to vary my pace as I'll get to in a moment that this was a non-issue for me. I was also surprised to see my 1st minute pace as it didn't "feel" that slow due to #2. It was neat seeing it that slow without it killing me.
2) A lot of watch watching. The good thing is, I already have a really good feel for what my HR is while I'm running without even seeing it. The moment I felt I might be pushing over 140, I'd look down and settle in. I did set an alarm on the watch to beep for anything <130 or >140. For my first run, I think I did quite well with that. Only a few times did it creep over 140 and except for two times (143 and 144 at the very end), it never got over 142 and I got it back down to 140 quickly.
3) Because of all the focus on the watch and HR, my mind was actually pretty relaxed and it made for an enjoyable run even at the slow pace. I don't know if I've mentioned it before, but especially now since I run without music, my mind is nuts when I run. What do I think about while I'm out there usually? Running. But not necessarily in a good way. I think about what you guys do. And how cool it would be if I could do some of that. Or I'll think about how much a race sucked. Or how could I possibly run x
With all the focus on the HR this morning, I had none of that for the first time that I can remember. So it made for a very peaceful run.
3) I only had to walk twice. Both times on hills, walked for about 10 seconds to stop my HR climb. It is amazing the variation I have on hills. On anything with any sort of grade, I have to slow down to ~13:00 min/mile or it wants to shoot past 140. On the flip side, when I would hit a downhill, my HR would start to drop into the low 130's almost immediately. I used those to actually run faster and was in the mid 9's trying to get it back up to 140. That's what I meant above in that I can vary my pace to not keep it so slow due to the hills.
4) I ran a relatively "flat" run for where I live. It would be nice to do this on flatter terrain but that would involve me driving. So I may end up having to keep doing the same thing over and over here. But, I like this new "challenge" of maintaining my HR in a specific zone.
Is one hour/day of this kind of running enough (assume 6-7 times/week)? Is there still benefit if I'm only out for half hour?
TripleThreat
Footballguy
there is NO better diureticI will think about this thread when I run, but only to be thankful that I'm not one of those freaks that has to poop after 2 minutes of running.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I'm curious if this was just a function of running immediately upon waking up. I used to be frustrated with how slowly I ran first thing in the morning, the few times I did it anyway. But for me I think it's just really just how my body operates. I don't think it's unique to me and could adapt over time if I were to make it a habit. It's just more pronounced with me than others. But maybe it is with you too and if you're going to MAF for several weeks then perhaps first thing in the morning is the way to go. Especially if you were able to keep your HR under control. I've read others struggle with that in the morning but if you don't, great - we're all different.
ChiefD
Footballguy
SFBayDuck
Footballguy
Because MAF is purposely low-stress, volume is king if you're going to have maximum beneficial training effect. But it's new to you so get in what you can for now. There are most definitely "responders" to MAF that see great increases in fitness quickly (measured by faster pace at same MAF HR). Others, not so much, and that's where Maffetone would say to look into other factors like life stress, medications, diet, sleep, etc.gianmarco said:
Running MAF tests on a regular basis is key for many, to make sure you're still progressing and not plateaued or getting slower. A true MAF test is a good warmup (at least 15 minutes) followed by 5 miles in your MAF zone, ideally done in the same conditions and on the same course (it used to be the only time I'd go to the track). Look at your average pace, and keep track of your progress over time. But I do think just running the same route regularly, at the same time and in the same general conditions, can serve as a de facto MAF test and provide you with the feedback you need.
tl;dr Get in as much volume as you can for your schedule, and keep track of your MAF pace over time.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I write this again with no hard evidence to support it, but I think getting in runs of 80+ minutes are directly correlated to fitness gains. If you run for 6 hours in a given week i think you'll get more out of it stretching two of those to 80-90 rather than doing five at an hour and two at a half hour.
But, again - no evidence. Just from my own experience.
But, again - no evidence. Just from my own experience.
JShare87
Footballguy
Crazy to read about your thinking during runs. I seem to be that way every second of my life when I’m not running. Overthinking everything, and putting thought into stuff I shouldn’t worry about. When I run, I still think about stuff but it’s never serious. My mind kind of checks out and I daze off into weird thoughts that have no relevance to my daily life. It is my zen.gianmarco said:Gave it a go for my 1st MAF run. I enjoyed it. As my wife had to go in to work this morning, I decided to get up early and run. Sidenote to that, whenever we sleep with a window open, the birds start going sometime between 4-5am and that ALWAYS wakes me up. Since I was planning on getting out before 6am, I figured I'd leave the window open and wake up that way. It actually worked well and I wasn't jolted by an alarm. Just got out of bed by 5:15a and headed out the door. I didn't have much time since she needed to leave but I was able to get a half hour in. I mention that only because I've never enjoyed running in the morning. But, with the incoming heat, I may start to. And this didn't feel that bad.
My thoughts:
1) Going slow wasn't as painful as I thought it might be. In fact, I had enough opportunity to vary my pace as I'll get to in a moment that this was a non-issue for me. I was also surprised to see my 1st minute pace as it didn't "feel" that slow due to #2. It was neat seeing it that slow without it killing me.
2) A lot of watch watching. The good thing is, I already have a really good feel for what my HR is while I'm running without even seeing it. The moment I felt I might be pushing over 140, I'd look down and settle in. I did set an alarm on the watch to beep for anything <130 or >140. For my first run, I think I did quite well with that. Only a few times did it creep over 140 and except for two times (143 and 144 at the very end), it never got over 142 and I got it back down to 140 quickly.
3) Because of all the focus on the watch and HR, my mind was actually pretty relaxed and it made for an enjoyable run even at the slow pace. I don't know if I've mentioned it before, but especially now since I run without music, my mind is nuts when I run. What do I think about while I'm out there usually? Running. But not necessarily in a good way. I think about what you guys do. And how cool it would be if I could do some of that. Or I'll think about how much a race sucked. Or how could I possibly run x
With all the focus on the HR this morning, I had none of that for the first time that I can remember. So it made for a very peaceful run.
3) I only had to walk twice. Both times on hills, walked for about 10 seconds to stop my HR climb. It is amazing the variation I have on hills. On anything with any sort of grade, I have to slow down to ~13:00 min/mile or it wants to shoot past 140. On the flip side, when I would hit a downhill, my HR would start to drop into the low 130's almost immediately. I used those to actually run faster and was in the mid 9's trying to get it back up to 140. That's what I meant above in that I can vary my pace to not keep it so slow due to the hills.
4) I ran a relatively "flat" run for where I live. It would be nice to do this on flatter terrain but that would involve me driving. So I may end up having to keep doing the same thing over and over here. But, I like this new "challenge" of maintaining my HR in a specific zone.
Is one hour/day of this kind of running enough (assume 6-7 times/week)? Is there still benefit if I'm only out for half hour?
gianmarco
Footballguy
I'm the exact opposite. I stress/think negative thoughts more during my runs than any other time of the day. Otherwise, I rarely get stressed out. Mind you, I'm lucky in that I'm pretty relaxed overall and when I say I'm doing this during runs, it's not some overwhelming process or panic that sets in. But, to give an example, if I'm running some kind of tempo run at a 7:30 pace, I'll think to myself "how in the heck could you keep this up for 5K?" or "how on Earth could you ever do this any faster when this is so hard as it is". Then, when I'm running slow for a few miles at a 9:30 pace, I'm thinking "how can you ever manage to run this distance at 1:30 min/mile faster than what you already are?". Then it's onto thinking how I can at least do it around a track. Then it's thinking that some of you dudes run that for 26.2 miles. Then it's thinking how I never want to do 26.2 miles. Then it's thinking how Duck does it for 4x that amount of time. Then it's "oh, another hill, #### you".
Rinse repeat for my next run. It's so dumb. Yet I still enjoy it for some reason.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Physically speaking, I think the only benefit I derive from an easy 30-40+ minute run is amidst a training cycle. My wife will ask me how long I'm going running and I fence ride on my answer - 'my body will tell me when the recovery was sufficient,' or something like that. But if I don't need the recovery? I don't think there's any real physical benefit.
Mentally? Different story. It's amazing how less punchy I sometimes feel just from a midday 30 minute stroll.
pbm107
Footballguy
Yeah I think we are on the same page, I was just looking at his past 2 runs and they 2.5-2.7 miles. I think he is at the point where his minimum distance run could be bumped up to 4 miles.
The Iguana
Footballguy
you don't even want a peek inside my head when out on a run, on a long car ride, etc...
That said, the one thing that goes on that I can't quit - constant math calculations on estimated time of finish, overall pace/MPH/etc, whatever else I can quantify... math geek at heart and total rainman like calculations going on constantly...
gianmarco
Footballguy
This morning was just a test run using MAF (and with somewhat limited time). The other run in Springfield was with my kids alone in a hotel room (my son watching my girls). Just didn't want to stay out too long but needed to get out.
I much prefer getting out for at least 4-5 miles and plan on doing so moving forward. Even the prescribed 3 mile runs I did over the 3 months of training felt too short but I stuck with the plan.
I'll try and get out for the longer runs you guys recommend as often as I can.
The Iguana
Footballguy
Been a total cluster week. Best I could muster on my 3 x 1 miles was 9:13, 9:03, and 8:53. My zone one run yesterday was 12:30 to 12:50 pace. I used to walk a mile that freaking fast. Back is constantly barking. Office called Monday with MRI results and I missed the call. Called back and left a message. Tried everyday and just sent to voice mail. Totally frustrated right now.
The Iguana
Footballguy
@gianmarco - is that something you have always done or more of some kind of recent development? come race day as the pain mounts, especially the last couple 1/2 marathons, there always are dark moments that take a lot of effort to push down/run through/not give into. But out for long, easy or "easy" runs, I am more likely to find myself dreaming of "what could be" than about the suck. there can be points that the darkness might creep in but not nearly as often when out for fun. Even the 5k I did a month or so ago had it's points that I started to question my ability to keep going... that's part of the "beauty" of the sport is finding a way to keep pushing when your body is telling you it's not possible.
And for me, the times I think of some of the accomplishments here, I find myself more inspired to push myself than of my own "inadequacies". That's why I'm glad I wandered into this thread last fall - there are times I see runs on strava by some of these freaks of nature and thing "man, I'm slow!" but this whole sport has a lot more to do with personal achievement than in competition. There's still a part of trying to beat as many runners as you can, IMO, and in trying to be as high up in your AG and such, but there's so much more in the self-competition to battle through the pain, the doubt, the fear, the darkness and just take a few more steps and a few more steps until you reach the end.
Sometimes you feel like you fail the task even when you don't, sometimes you might actually come up short. The difference between the 2 can be subtle, IMO. That said, I'm not sure how you have thoughts of this thread and the people here and don't find yourself inspired to do just a little more. Somehow thinking of here and it being "de-motivating" just doesn't compute.
And for me, the times I think of some of the accomplishments here, I find myself more inspired to push myself than of my own "inadequacies". That's why I'm glad I wandered into this thread last fall - there are times I see runs on strava by some of these freaks of nature and thing "man, I'm slow!" but this whole sport has a lot more to do with personal achievement than in competition. There's still a part of trying to beat as many runners as you can, IMO, and in trying to be as high up in your AG and such, but there's so much more in the self-competition to battle through the pain, the doubt, the fear, the darkness and just take a few more steps and a few more steps until you reach the end.
Sometimes you feel like you fail the task even when you don't, sometimes you might actually come up short. The difference between the 2 can be subtle, IMO. That said, I'm not sure how you have thoughts of this thread and the people here and don't find yourself inspired to do just a little more. Somehow thinking of here and it being "de-motivating" just doesn't compute.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Nah, it's not new. And I'm probably overstating what it really is. It's not demotivating. But I'm competitive and from the beginning I've constantly tried to (foolishly) compare what I do to others here. I already know that it doesn't matter and that I'm racing against myself, but I still constantly think about it on runs. I have plenty of time to do so. Another thing will be when I'm supposed to run slow and then think how slow it looks and then reminded myself that I'm only hurting myself if I push during a recovery or whatever. Point being, when I run, I constantly think about all things running. My cadence. My form. How I feel. I can't ever turn that off. Until this morning when I was paying attention to my HR but not thinking about the running part at all.
During race day, I'm usually in a good place and focus on what I'm doing. When it hurts, I can push through it. That's never been an issue.
During race day, I'm usually in a good place and focus on what I'm doing. When it hurts, I can push through it. That's never been an issue.
