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Ran a 10k - Official Thread (8 Viewers)

Had to run on the treadmill last night. Sidewalks are not cleared, and the streets were sort of plowed. At that time of day it's just too dangerous to run on the street with people coming home from work.

Also used 3 different shovels last night to shovel the driveway again: 

1. Large push shovel to move large quantities of snow

2. Metal shovel to break up the packed snow where the tires had mashed it down coming out of the driveway

3. Normal sized snow shovel to scoop up that residue

So another 30 minutes of a strenuous workout using legs and arms and core.

Every shovel has it's purpose gentlemen. You can laugh all you want, and sometimes the laughter wounds me, but on a night like last night I have the proper shovel for every possible condition.

That's what sets apart the mandy-pandy "men" like you and and urban redneck that I am. I'm that guy who has the tool you need. I'm the guy you come to when you need a helping hand to build a deck, or remodel your bathroom, or just give sound advice when you are stuck on a project.

I may just be "crazy shovel guy" to you guys, but I like to think a guy like me has more than just shovels to offer. 

 
ChiefD said:
Had to run on the treadmill last night. Sidewalks are not cleared, and the streets were sort of plowed. At that time of day it's just too dangerous to run on the street with people coming home from work.

Also used 3 different shovels last night to shovel the driveway again: 

1. Large push shovel to move large quantities of snow

2. Metal shovel to break up the packed snow where the tires had mashed it down coming out of the driveway

3. Normal sized snow shovel to scoop up that residue

So another 30 minutes of a strenuous workout using legs and arms and core.

Every shovel has it's purpose gentlemen. You can laugh all you want, and sometimes the laughter wounds me, but on a night like last night I have the proper shovel for every possible condition.

That's what sets apart the mandy-pandy "men" like you and and urban redneck that I am. I'm that guy who has the tool you need. I'm the guy you come to when you need a helping hand to build a deck, or remodel your bathroom, or just give sound advice when you are stuck on a project.

I may just be "crazy shovel guy" to you guys, but I like to think a guy like me has more than just shovels to offer. 
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I’m the other guy. The one that has no clue how to do any of the above listed. Total of one shovel at my house. Thinking it’s one too many.

 
ChiefD said:
Had to run on the treadmill last night. Sidewalks are not cleared, and the streets were sort of plowed. At that time of day it's just too dangerous to run on the street with people coming home from work.

Also used 3 different shovels last night to shovel the driveway again: 

1. Large push shovel to move large quantities of snow

2. Metal shovel to break up the packed snow where the tires had mashed it down coming out of the driveway

3. Normal sized snow shovel to scoop up that residue

So another 30 minutes of a strenuous workout using legs and arms and core.

Every shovel has it's purpose gentlemen. You can laugh all you want, and sometimes the laughter wounds me, but on a night like last night I have the proper shovel for every possible condition.

That's what sets apart the mandy-pandy "men" like you and and urban redneck that I am. I'm that guy who has the tool you need. I'm the guy you come to when you need a helping hand to build a deck, or remodel your bathroom, or just give sound advice when you are stuck on a project.

I may just be "crazy shovel guy" to you guys, but I like to think a guy like me has more than just shovels to offer. 
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I bailed on a run last night. Took my dog for a long walk in the snow - although we did do some mini sprints cause he loves the snow and wanted to run around. Then we came home and I shoveled - just one - a big push shovel that I did use to scoop up snow and launch it across the yard for Oliver to chase. He got a lot more out of the work out than I did but I was highly entertained in the process! 

Then I came in, played a little rocket league and then watched the Colts get destroyed by Brees.  :sadbanana:

 
While y'all were dealing with snow, it was 70° here yesterday, until tornadoes came through. 

We were fine, didn't even lose power, but neighborhoods around us did. Son was working at McDonald's and they lost power. 

 
ChiefD said:
Had to run on the treadmill last night. Sidewalks are not cleared, and the streets were sort of plowed. At that time of day it's just too dangerous to run on the street with people coming home from work.

Also used 3 different shovels last night to shovel the driveway again: 

1. Large push shovel to move large quantities of snow

2. Metal shovel to break up the packed snow where the tires had mashed it down coming out of the driveway

3. Normal sized snow shovel to scoop up that residue

So another 30 minutes of a strenuous workout using legs and arms and core.

Every shovel has it's purpose gentlemen. You can laugh all you want, and sometimes the laughter wounds me, but on a night like last night I have the proper shovel for every possible condition.

That's what sets apart the mandy-pandy "men" like you and and urban redneck that I am. I'm that guy who has the tool you need. I'm the guy you come to when you need a helping hand to build a deck, or remodel your bathroom, or just give sound advice when you are stuck on a project.

I may just be "crazy shovel guy" to you guys, but I like to think a guy like me has more than just shovels to offer. 
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Lol, you're basically my father in law.  Or brother in law. Good peeps.

 
Ok, so even though I'm not signed up for a half in the spring I plan to - waiting on finalizing with some other plans but will get one scheduled soon.  But, I wanted to go ahead and start the Strava training plan to give me some structure.  I have a few questions.

1. I'm guessing there's no harm in starting my half training now and then either taking some time off (like a week) or add a few weeks if the training plan doesn't coincide with the race I pick?

2. The plan has "5K-10K effort" as one of the workouts.  Since I don't really have a good handle on that for myself yet does it seem reasonable to use the Strava Estimated Best Efforts for the pace goal?

3. Tempo Interval Pace - I know these are supposed to be medium to medium hard pace but I don't know exactly what that means - should I try to target a HR or time?  Let's say my goal for the half is to break 2 hours - 9:09/mi.  Should I do these tempo intervals in like say 9:30 pace?

 
AAABatteries said:
Ok, so even though I'm not signed up for a half in the spring I plan to - waiting on finalizing with some other plans but will get one scheduled soon.  But, I wanted to go ahead and start the Strava training plan to give me some structure.  I have a few questions.

1. I'm guessing there's no harm in starting my half training now and then either taking some time off (like a week) or add a few weeks if the training plan doesn't coincide with the race I pick?

2. The plan has "5K-10K effort" as one of the workouts.  Since I don't really have a good handle on that for myself yet does it seem reasonable to use the Strava Estimated Best Efforts for the pace goal?

3. Tempo Interval Pace - I know these are supposed to be medium to medium hard pace but I don't know exactly what that means - should I try to target a HR or time?  Let's say my goal for the half is to break 2 hours - 9:09/mi.  Should I do these tempo intervals in like say 9:30 pace?
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I’d do easy base runs with strides prior to the plan starting if you have a few weeks. Stalling a plan or repeating weeks doesn’t sound good.

As to 2 and 3, not sure but 2 seems reasonable. Can you link to the plan so we can read the way it’s defined and rest intervals etc?  If you haven’t, google some race equivalency calculators based on your goal and current fitness to get a sense of the different paces for different workouts. You’ll need some trial and error and to adjust as you proceed.

 
ChiefD said:
I'm that guy who has the tool you need. *   I'm the guy you come to when you need a helping hand to build a deck, or remodel your bathroom, or just give sound advice when you are stuck on a project.

I may just be "crazy shovel guy" to you guys, but I like to think a guy like me has more than just shovels to offer. 
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* Unless you have a clog and it's more than 50 feet down the line.  

 
bushdocda said:
I’d do easy base runs with strides prior to the plan starting if you have a few weeks. Stalling a plan or repeating weeks doesn’t sound good.

As to 2 and 3, not sure but 2 seems reasonable. Can you link to the plan so we can read the way it’s defined and rest intervals etc?  If you haven’t, google some race equivalency calculators based on your goal and current fitness to get a sense of the different paces for different workouts. You’ll need some trial and error and to adjust as you proceed.
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I'm not sure I can link to it as it shows under my account but I'll copy/paste here.  I just did the built in Strava half plan (10 weeks which corresponds to one of the races I'm looking at) - it says it is powered by McMillan Running.  It just gives workouts but doesn't have you plug in a time to then give any goal paces for the workouts.  I thought about pulling this info in to Excel and then working off that but even doing that I'm a little unclear - that's what led to my questions. 

Workout

Include 10-12 x 1 minute at 5K-10K effort, 1 minute recovery jog between each repetition; include a warm-up and cool-down

Workout

Include 2-3 x 2 miles at Tempo Interval Pace, 4 minute recovery jog between each repetition; include a warm-up and cool-down 

 
AAABatteries said:
I'm not sure I can link to it as it shows under my account but I'll copy/paste here.  I just did the built in Strava half plan (10 weeks which corresponds to one of the races I'm looking at) - it says it is powered by McMillan Running.  It just gives workouts but doesn't have you plug in a time to then give any goal paces for the workouts.  I thought about pulling this info in to Excel and then working off that but even doing that I'm a little unclear - that's what led to my questions. 

Workout

Include 10-12 x 1 minute at 5K-10K effort, 1 minute recovery jog between each repetition; include a warm-up and cool-down

Workout

Include 2-3 x 2 miles at Tempo Interval Pace, 4 minute recovery jog between each repetition; include a warm-up and cool-down 
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If it’s McMillan based, search McMillan calculator, I think you might need to give your email address. Should give ranges for different workouts. Your 5k/10k estimate should be fine. Tempo might be more like HM pace. 

 
AAABatteries said:
Ok, so even though I'm not signed up for a half in the spring I plan to - waiting on finalizing with some other plans but will get one scheduled soon.  But, I wanted to go ahead and start the Strava training plan to give me some structure.  I have a few questions.

1. I'm guessing there's no harm in starting my half training now and then either taking some time off (like a week) or add a few weeks if the training plan doesn't coincide with the race I pick?

2. The plan has "5K-10K effort" as one of the workouts.  Since I don't really have a good handle on that for myself yet does it seem reasonable to use the Strava Estimated Best Efforts for the pace goal?

3. Tempo Interval Pace - I know these are supposed to be medium to medium hard pace but I don't know exactly what that means - should I try to target a HR or time?  Let's say my goal for the half is to break 2 hours - 9:09/mi.  Should I do these tempo intervals in like say 9:30 pace?
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Here's a link I've used some:

https://www.runnersworld.com/uk/training/a761676/rws-training-pace-calculator/

I have used my goal/target result to define my times a lot so far. 

Also, this time last year as I was just starting, it was really hard to define what some of these times "should be". Since I was starting from scratch and in a constant state of improvement. Rather than have an exact pace/time to hit, I think you are well served to do more of a soft definition of the times. The goal is to be consistent throughout the work out so try to set a pace that is reasonable for the goal and then do your best to hit it.

For 5k/10k pace, that means "rf; dbap" - i.e. they are going to hurt. So, you are going to be semi-sprinting for that 1 minute listed about and then taking it easy for 1 minute. Tempo run means running just a tad faster than goal pace. 

As for when you start, or how you proceed with a currently variable target, I think you can do it a couple of ways - you can either just go run now without doing the structured plan until you have a date in hand, then map the workouts to fit that date. Or start the workout now and then if you find out you have an extra week before the race, then just repeat the week you are currently on. You currently have unlimited potential - i.e. you have no idea what your peak form may look like. The structured nature of some of these plans are about squeezing out every ounce of ability you have. Right now you are raw clay being molded from a block rather than a sculpted statue looking to put the finishing touches on. An extra week in either of those 2 forms is only going to help you, IMO. 

* NOTE * I'm no expert, but that's been my experience over the last year.

 
Juxtatarot said:
@ChiefD  Ever watch Shark Tank?  Did you see the episode with the Measuring Shovel? (Sorry, can only find an excerpt.) Have you bought one yet?  Why didn't you think of that idea first?
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That shovel would drive me nuts. I don't need to do math when I shovel.

I do have a great idea for a rake (a close member to the shovel family in case you people didn't know)  that I haven't seen. I like to mulch my flower beds and such, and every so often mulch comes out of the beds into the grass. So inevitably I have to rake the mulch back into the beds.

Usually you just stand in the bed and rake the mulch back toward you into the bed, right?

But what about those beds that have a lot of flowers or bushes or whatnot that are right at the edge of the bed? If you go stand in the bed you run the risk of smashing flowers or branches.

So how about:

The Backwards Rake

The handle is curved in some such way and the rake side reversed so you can stand in the grass and rake back toward your flower bed. Brilliant I say. One of these days I'll play around with a design and see if it's possible.

 
ChiefD said:
That shovel would drive me nuts. I don't need to do math when I shovel.

I do have a great idea for a rake (a close member to the shovel family in case you people didn't know)  that I haven't seen. I like to mulch my flower beds and such, and every so often mulch comes out of the beds into the grass. So inevitably I have to rake the mulch back into the beds.

Usually you just stand in the bed and rake the mulch back toward you into the bed, right?

But what about those beds that have a lot of flowers or bushes or whatnot that are right at the edge of the bed? If you go stand in the bed you run the risk of smashing flowers or branches.

So how about:

The Backwards Rake

The handle is curved in some such way and the rake side reversed so you can stand in the grass and rake back toward your flower bed. Brilliant I say. One of these days I'll play around with a design and see if it's possible.
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Check out CheifD's new ho! 

 
bushdocda said:
If it’s McMillan based, search McMillan calculator, I think you might need to give your email address. Should give ranges for different workouts. Your 5k/10k estimate should be fine. Tempo might be more like HM pace. 
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The Iguana said:
Here's a link I've used some:

https://www.runnersworld.com/uk/training/a761676/rws-training-pace-calculator/

I have used my goal/target result to define my times a lot so far. 

Also, this time last year as I was just starting, it was really hard to define what some of these times "should be". Since I was starting from scratch and in a constant state of improvement. Rather than have an exact pace/time to hit, I think you are well served to do more of a soft definition of the times. The goal is to be consistent throughout the work out so try to set a pace that is reasonable for the goal and then do your best to hit it.

For 5k/10k pace, that means "rf; dbap" - i.e. they are going to hurt. So, you are going to be semi-sprinting for that 1 minute listed about and then taking it easy for 1 minute. Tempo run means running just a tad faster than goal pace. 

As for when you start, or how you proceed with a currently variable target, I think you can do it a couple of ways - you can either just go run now without doing the structured plan until you have a date in hand, then map the workouts to fit that date. Or start the workout now and then if you find out you have an extra week before the race, then just repeat the week you are currently on. You currently have unlimited potential - i.e. you have no idea what your peak form may look like. The structured nature of some of these plans are about squeezing out every ounce of ability you have. Right now you are raw clay being molded from a block rather than a sculpted statue looking to put the finishing touches on. An extra week in either of those 2 forms is only going to help you, IMO. 

* NOTE * I'm no expert, but that's been my experience over the last year.
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Thanks guys - very helpful.  For some reason I couldn't get the calculator in that link to work but there's good info on that page anyway.  I found another calculator online and it spit this out.  These seem very reasonable to me and kind of match some of the workouts I've been doing.  Unless somebody sees something that stands out as a bad idea, I think I will go with these for now and adjust as I go.

Your training paces
Easy run - 10:45/mi.
Tempo run - 8:59/mi.
VO2 max run - 8:07/mi.
Speed run - 7:31/mi.
Long run - 12:06/mi.

 
AAABatteries said:
Thanks guys - very helpful.  For some reason I couldn't get the calculator in that link to work but there's good info on that page anyway.  I found another calculator online and it spit this out.  These seem very reasonable to me and kind of match some of the workouts I've been doing.  Unless somebody sees something that stands out as a bad idea, I think I will go with these for now and adjust as I go.

Your training paces
Easy run - 10:45/mi.
Tempo run - 8:59/mi.
VO2 max run - 8:07/mi.
Speed run - 7:31/mi.
Long run - 12:06/mi.
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The one I linked to comes out pretty similar if you put in 2 hours for 13.1:

easy: 10:34
tempo: 8:50
vo2-max: 7:58
speed: 7:23
long run: 10:34 to 11:54

 
AAABatteries said:
I'm guessing there's no harm in starting my half training now and then either taking some time off (like a week) or add a few weeks if the training plan doesn't coincide with the race I pick?
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Always start early. Never plan to take time off. But if your body says to take your foot off the gas then listen. And since you started early you have the contingency to fall back on without missing anything of consequence. But if things behave themselves and you get to the end of the plan with time to spare...then keep going. Circle back and do those speed workouts you inevitably didnt feel you did well. Then on the long run...go further. 

But, get there first. And start now. LFG!!!

 
@AAABatteries - The one piece of advice that I was given several times but didn't get to before my first several of HMs but was huge once I finally did it... go run longer than 13.1! If you can get out for a long, slow 15 or 16, it makes race day for 13.1 a ton better! When doing the first few HMs, all was more or less good for 10 miles and the last 5K was a bit of a bear. The most recent HM was done during marathon training and I had numerous 15, 16, 18 mile runs under my belt. It didn't make things easy but there was definitely something different in my mental approach when 13.1 wasn't the furthest I had ever run. 

I am sure there was also a lot to do with me finally putting in more of the miles people were recommending but there is also something about it not being the furthest you've gone before too. 

 
The Iguana said:
@AAABatteries - The one piece of advice that I was given several times but didn't get to before my first several of HMs but was huge once I finally did it... go run longer than 13.1! If you can get out for a long, slow 15 or 16, it makes race day for 13.1 a ton better! When doing the first few HMs, all was more or less good for 10 miles and the last 5K was a bit of a bear. The most recent HM was done during marathon training and I had numerous 15, 16, 18 mile runs under my belt. It didn't make things easy but there was definitely something different in my mental approach when 13.1 wasn't the furthest I had ever run. 

I am sure there was also a lot to do with me finally putting in more of the miles people were recommending but there is also something about it not being the furthest you've gone before too. 
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I've actually been out for a few longer runs - I actually had a really good (for me) 15 mile run two months ago which gave me confidence that I can obviously do the distance.  It was a flat track but a decent pace and one that is a lot faster than the long run pace from the calculator.  Right now I think I'm further along with distance than speed - if that makes sense.  The half distance doesn't phase me at all.  I'm just not sure how to gauge my paces.

 
AAABatteries said:
I've actually been out for a few longer runs - I actually had a really good (for me) 15 mile run two months ago which gave me confidence that I can obviously do the distance.  It was a flat track but a decent pace and one that is a lot faster than the long run pace from the calculator.  Right now I think I'm further along with distance than speed - if that makes sense.  The half distance doesn't phase me at all.  I'm just not sure how to gauge my paces.
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That's a lot of circles! And if you did 15 at 9:30 pace with the last one being an 8:50 mile, we are probably going to have to bump up your goal from simply "sub 2 hours", obviously!

 
SFBayDuck said:
Auburn is the best bet for hotels, as it’s the closest place to Foresthill where the weekend is centered. There are several <$100/night places that aren’t anything special but they work (Red Lion has been my usual). Easiest to fly in and out of Sacramento. Let’s keep in communication so we can coordinate if you do end up coming out. I may do something like run that 30 mile section from Robinson to Foresthill on Saturday and the last 18 miles on Monday, and skip Cal Street on Sunday.  Or we could do what a lot of the old timers do and run the whole 50 miles from Robinson to Rucky Chucky on Saturday, Sunday off, then do the last 18 on Monday. 
 

My races - I’m going back to the well up in that same area for my sixth Way Too Cool 50K and fourth Canyons 100K. 
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Spots available on Ultrasignup decreased by 10+ in the past 24 hours, so I registered for all three days and booked a flight with some miles I've accrued (arriving Friday afternoon, departing Monday at 5pm).  I'll probably plan to run all three days as scheduled, and will more than likely also sign up for the Zumbro midnight 50 in April as another long training run.  Better get my ### in gear quick like.  Giddy up. 

Any insight on places to stay for the actual race/race week for multiple families?  Are there any (non-hotel) resort type lodging options where each family could book their own place that wouldn't break the bank completely?  I'm starting to realize that the coordination of who might go, where people may want to stay, numerous people wanting to pace, etc is going to be more stressful than I'd like.  :kicksrock:

 
SayWhat? said:
Spots available on Ultrasignup decreased by 10+ in the past 24 hours, so I registered for all three days and booked a flight with some miles I've accrued (arriving Friday afternoon, departing Monday at 5pm).  I'll probably plan to run all three days as scheduled, and will more than likely also sign up for the Zumbro midnight 50 in April as another long training run.  Better get my ### in gear quick like.  Giddy up. 

Any insight on places to stay for the actual race/race week for multiple families?  Are there any (non-hotel) resort type lodging options where each family could book their own place that wouldn't break the bank completely?  I'm starting to realize that the coordination of who might go, where people may want to stay, numerous people wanting to pace, etc is going to be more stressful than I'd like.  :kicksrock:
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Hey man, good talking to you yesterday, sorry I had to drop so quickly.

There are a ton of places in North/West shore of Tahoe as it's a full on vacation destination year round.  There are several "resort type" hotels right in Squaw like the Lodge at Squaw or the Village at Squaw, but those are pretty spendy.  I think Resort at Squaw Creek is a little more reasonable.  There are a lot of houses right in Squaw or nearby in Tahoe City, Homewood, etc on VRBO or AirBNB, used as ski houses all winter and booked intermittently throughout the summer.  Tahoe City is the closest city on the Lake and Truckee is within 20 minutes or so as well, but I think you'd be looking at more typical hotel options or house/condo rentals there.  Incline Village is another ski resort area not too far away, not too familiar but I'm sure they have some resort-type lodging.  And if you or someone in your crew is super budget conscious, Reno is full of cheap hotels (and casinos) and is less than an hour away from Squaw.

Sorry I can't give you real specific recommendations.  We've done a condo (or two near each other) a couple of times, either in Tahoe City or King's Beach.  The year I ran we just stayed at my Aunt's place in King's Beach.  And I've also just slept in my truck on two occasions while crewing ;)  

The trickiest part is the end of it - do you all go back up to Tahoe on Sunday, or stay in Auburn or down in Sacramento?  Typically we've checked out on Saturday morning, crewed/spectated/paced all day, and then checked into a hotel in Auburn for Saturday night.  But that also depends on where you fly in and out of.  Reno is closer to the start, Sac is closer to the finish.  If you do Reno instead of Sac, then you would be heading back up the hill toward Tahoe anyway on Sunday so you could just stay in the place up there.  Whether you're sticking around after and making a vacation out of it would also play in - if so, do that in Tahoe and not in Sac.

As for the bolded my only advice is to get as much of that taken care of quickly as you can and just worry about your core group of family and support.  Then others can take care of themselves with you just letting them know your plans and let them work around it as they see fit.  And no pressure from me on wanting to pace (although I do!), I totally get that.  As I said before I'm happy to support you in any way you need, even if it's just giving you some pre-race logistics advice and then sitting my ### in a lawn chair in Foresthill drinking beers while you and your pacer run by.  And of course meeting you at the top of the last climb in Robie Point sometime before 5:00 AM on Sunday and Rob Krar-ing it and running you in while wearing flip flops.

 
ChiefD said:
That's what sets apart the mandy-pandy "men" like you and and urban redneck that I am. I'm that guy who has the tool you need. I'm the guy you come to when you need a helping hand to build a deck, or remodel your bathroom, or just give sound advice when you are stuck on a project.

I may just be "crazy shovel guy" to you guys, but I like to think a guy like me has more than just shovels to offer. 
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Or just have @ChiefD build you a place nearby, I think he just offered.

 
AAABatteries said:
Thanks guys - very helpful.  For some reason I couldn't get the calculator in that link to work but there's good info on that page anyway.  I found another calculator online and it spit this out.  These seem very reasonable to me and kind of match some of the workouts I've been doing.  Unless somebody sees something that stands out as a bad idea, I think I will go with these for now and adjust as I go.

Your training paces
Easy run - 10:45/mi.
Tempo run - 8:59/mi.
VO2 max run - 8:07/mi.
Speed run - 7:31/mi.
Long run - 12:06/mi.
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I clearly dont have tons of experience, but all I will add is dont be afraid to push and drop these times by 2-5% on some of your runs.  You have the abilities and training window to excel beyond what you think, so dont be held hostage by your original plan/times.

 
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The Iguana said:
@SayWhat? - I'd search vrbo.com and Airbnb. Definitely the way to go for a group, imo. You can often find a whole house/ condo for about the same price as a regular room. 
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Yep, the issue here though is I don’t know who is going or what kind of budget people will be on.  And thinking some may not commit until far later in the process, whereas I’d like to figure out a plan and move forward on it so that it’s not a stress 1-2 months out from race day.  So I’m thinking easiest would be to book at a resort type place that may have different lodging options (single rooms in a main lodge, condos, cabins, etc) where I can just tell people “we’re staying here, lots of options, book if you want.”  Not knowing a lot about the race logistics nor area makes it that much tougher.  Almost always use VRBO and Airbnb, but thinking this might be a situation where it’s not ideal.

 
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SFBayDuck said:
Hey man, good talking to you yesterday, sorry I had to drop so quickly.

There are a ton of places in North/West shore of Tahoe as it's a full on vacation destination year round.  There are several "resort type" hotels right in Squaw like the Lodge at Squaw or the Village at Squaw, but those are pretty spendy.  I think Resort at Squaw Creek is a little more reasonable.  There are a lot of houses right in Squaw or nearby in Tahoe City, Homewood, etc on VRBO or AirBNB, used as ski houses all winter and booked intermittently throughout the summer.  Tahoe City is the closest city on the Lake and Truckee is within 20 minutes or so as well, but I think you'd be looking at more typical hotel options or house/condo rentals there.  Incline Village is another ski resort area not too far away, not too familiar but I'm sure they have some resort-type lodging.  And if you or someone in your crew is super budget conscious, Reno is full of cheap hotels (and casinos) and is less than an hour away from Squaw.

Sorry I can't give you real specific recommendations.  We've done a condo (or two near each other) a couple of times, either in Tahoe City or King's Beach.  The year I ran we just stayed at my Aunt's place in King's Beach.  And I've also just slept in my truck on two occasions while crewing ;)  

The trickiest part is the end of it - do you all go back up to Tahoe on Sunday, or stay in Auburn or down in Sacramento?  Typically we've checked out on Saturday morning, crewed/spectated/paced all day, and then checked into a hotel in Auburn for Saturday night.  But that also depends on where you fly in and out of.  Reno is closer to the start, Sac is closer to the finish.  If you do Reno instead of Sac, then you would be heading back up the hill toward Tahoe anyway on Sunday so you could just stay in the place up there.  Whether you're sticking around after and making a vacation out of it would also play in - if so, do that in Tahoe and not in Sac.

As for the bolded my only advice is to get as much of that taken care of quickly as you can and just worry about your core group of family and support.  Then others can take care of themselves with you just letting them know your plans and let them work around it as they see fit.  And no pressure from me on wanting to pace (although I do!), I totally get that.  As I said before I'm happy to support you in any way you need, even if it's just giving you some pre-race logistics advice and then sitting my ### in a lawn chair in Foresthill drinking beers while you and your pacer run by.  And of course meeting you at the top of the last climb in Robie Point sometime before 5:00 AM on Sunday and Rob Krar-ing it and running you in while wearing flip flops.
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Yeah, good chatting.  Thanks for the insight.  I’ll definitely check out the above options, and likely continue to peruse VRBO.  I believe we’re going to make a vacation of it, so likely staying for part/all of the week following the race.  

Also greatly appreciate the offer of support, I’ll definitely be leaning on you for plenty so you’ll just have to let me know when you’ve had enough! 

But why you gotta be dropping sub-24 pressure on me six months out?!  :boxing:

 
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