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Rand Paul announces Presidential Run 2016 (1 Viewer)

QuizGuy66

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Um, is the search function that broken that I can't find this thread? I mean there must be a thread for this guy right?

Anyway just wanted to comment that the dude sounds way too much like Colin Cowherd.

I think he's awful but I'll leave this thread here and let you guys have fun.

If there's already a thread please merge it and for God's sake please fix search :(

-QG

 
Good. Rand Paul isn't always the ideal spokesperson for libertarianism, but the Republican party badly needs to be yanked in that direction.

 
He would likely get my vote this time round for all of the good it will do him.

 
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why does the media lump Ted Cruz and Rand Paul together? I don't think they appeal to the same people.

Does anyone here like both of them?

 
On the way to my parents house, there's a guy who has a large Rand Paul home made bill board in his front yard. On it he has 2008 crossed out and painted 2012 above it. I guess he'll get the paint out today.

 
Insein said:
On the way to my parents house, there's a guy who has a large Rand Paul home made bill board in his front yard. On it he has 2008 crossed out and painted 2012 above it. I guess he'll get the paint out today.
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are you confusing Rand and Ron?

 
Fennis said:
why does the media lump Ted Cruz and Rand Paul together? I don't think they appeal to the same people.

Does anyone here like both of them?
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Only 2 announced candidates? :shrug:

I'm consistent in my opinion of both of them btw (I dislike them both).

Okay really out of the topic this time. I'll change the title in a few days and then leave you be. Not my party or fight. My only request is that someone do a Paul/Cowherd mashup. TIA.

-QG

 
QuizGuy66 said:
Fennis said:
why does the media lump Ted Cruz and Rand Paul together? I don't think they appeal to the same people.

Does anyone here like both of them?
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Only 2 announced candidates? :shrug:

I'm consistent in my opinion of both of them btw (I dislike them both).

Okay really out of the topic this time. I'll change the title in a few days and then leave you be. Not my party or fight. My only request is that someone do a Paul/Cowherd mashup. TIA.

-QG
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I tried to do that in the Paul CPAC straw poll thread I started. Didn't work out so well, for different reasons. My last post was arguing with NCCommish over John McCain's war hero status. :loco:

 
By the way, reason.com is going ape over this. Every post on their blog is about Rand Paul, for those that want to read about him.

 
I don't think i would vote for Paul, but I am very curious what a Paul presidency would look like. I think his libertarian values would slowly erode under the pressure of the Presidency. There are some indications they are eroding simply to try and get there.

 
I'd like to see Rand Paul vs. Elizabeth Warren in the general election. That would be fun. Two people with polar opposite views on many issues, but both of whom are intellectually honest and principled compared to other politicians. I wouldn't be entirely comfortable with either of them as President, but I'm unlikely to be entirely comfortable with any of the candidates.

 
Maurile Tremblay said:
I'd like to see Rand Paul vs. Elizabeth Warren in the general election. That would be fun. Two people with polar opposite views on many issues, but both of whom are intellectually honest and principled compared to other politicians. I wouldn't be entirely comfortable with either of them as President, but I'm unlikely to be entirely comfortable with any of the candidates.
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Was coming to say the same thing. Let's have the debate. Admire a guy who says exactly what he'd do from a policy perspective. Don't agree with very much of it, but at least you know what you're getting.

 
Fennis said:
Insein said:
On the way to my parents house, there's a guy who has a large Rand Paul home made bill board in his front yard. On it he has 2008 crossed out and painted 2012 above it. I guess he'll get the paint out today.
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are you confusing Rand and Ron?
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Guess he'll have to cross that off too.Ronand Paul 2008 2012 2016

 
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wdcrob said:
Maurile Tremblay said:
I'd like to see Rand Paul vs. Elizabeth Warren in the general election. That would be fun. Two people with polar opposite views on many issues, but both of whom are intellectually honest and principled compared to other politicians. I wouldn't be entirely comfortable with either of them as President, but I'm unlikely to be entirely comfortable with any of the candidates.
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Was coming to say the same thing. Let's have the debate. Admire a guy who says exactly what he'd do from a policy perspective. Don't agree with very much of it, but at least you know what you're getting.
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Change!

Yes we can!

 
msommer said:
wdcrob said:
Maurile Tremblay said:
I'd like to see Rand Paul vs. Elizabeth Warren in the general election. That would be fun. Two people with polar opposite views on many issues, but both of whom are intellectually honest and principled compared to other politicians. I wouldn't be entirely comfortable with either of them as President, but I'm unlikely to be entirely comfortable with any of the candidates.
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Was coming to say the same thing. Let's have the debate. Admire a guy who says exactly what he'd do from a policy perspective. Don't agree with very much of it, but at least you know what you're getting.
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Change!

Yes we can!
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I'm not sure if you're mocking "Change!" because, in many ways, Obama turned out to be pretty similar to Bush. But I'll use that as an opportunity to say that the fact that we're unlikely to ever get real "Change!" makes me more likely to vote for someone like Rand Paul or Elizabeth Warren. They may be kind of out there in some ways -- outside the mainstream, I mean -- but that becomes less scary when you realize how little influence the President seems to have on the day-to-day operations of the executive branch. A lot of the executive branch seems to run itself, with career bureaucrats in charge of things, and the President just a figurehead. So even if the President is a little bit crazy, the executive branch itself isn't necessarily going to be crazy.

 
He lost me when he said he wanted to amend the constitution so that having a balanced budget would be required. Great way to cause a depression. The guy needs to understand that the US government is a fiat issuer and its spending is different from a family. He should read something on modern monetary theory.

 
Maurile Tremblay said:
that becomes less scary when you realize how little influence the President seems to have on the day-to-day operations of the executive branch. A lot of the executive branch seems to run itself, with career bureaucrats in charge of things, and the President just a figurehead.
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Pretty much every government agency has political appointees at the top, above the career bureaucrats. The career bureaucrats at the EPA, for example, couldn't enact their preferred policies during the GW Bush administration. I think you're underestimating the impact of the President on the behavior of government agencies. I'd say that judicial nominations and executive branch nominations are among the most significant things that Presidents can do.
 
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
Maurile Tremblay said:
that becomes less scary when you realize how little influence the President seems to have on the day-to-day operations of the executive branch. A lot of the executive branch seems to run itself, with career bureaucrats in charge of things, and the President just a figurehead.
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Pretty much every government agency has political appointees at the top, above the career bureaucrats. The career bureaucrats at the EPA, for example, couldn't enact their preferred policies during the GW Bush administration. I think you're underestimating the impact of the President on the behavior of government agencies. I'd say that judicial nominations and executive branch nominations are among the most significant things that Presidents can do.
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I think the president has enough stick and carrot to get a few things through the system. But I'd think that it takes a seasoned operator to do a lot of it because the world is not a happy place and it doesn't hold still for your ambitions. I think Obama learned that quickly (seems like he aged about 20 years in the seven he's served. (Hillary aged about ten as SOS - can't really tell with Kerry he looked like Methusalem before he took the job)).

So to me it seems like newbies like Rand Paul and Warren really have no chance of getting through with their agenda

 
Hadn't heard of the guy until a lady told me I had hair like him. :bag: Looked him up and saw that he was a physician in my hometown. I'm really out of the loop in politics.

 
chet said:
He lost me when he said he wanted to amend the constitution so that having a balanced budget would be required. Great way to cause a depression. The guy needs to understand that the US government is a fiat issuer and its spending is different from a family. He should read something on modern monetary theory.
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See post #15

 
Just reading about his flat tax stuff on CNN....it all sounds pretty dumb. All investment income tax free? Yeah, that might work.

 
cstu said:
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So far I like the guy. Please don't ruin it by telling me about him.
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He's a joke. Calls himself a libertarian but opposes abortion and gay rights.
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I bet if you guaranteed he would win the nominate tomorrow he would reverse course on both issues.

Maybe I'm wrong but I think it's all a ploy to win a nomination and he would start to walk the dog back immediately afterwards.

 
eoMMan said:
NutterButter said:
eoMMan said:
Just reading about his flat tax stuff on CNN....it all sounds pretty dumb. All investment income tax free? Yeah, that might work.
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He supports a flat tax or fairtax (national sales tax)?
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Yes....see here:

http://money.cnn.com/2015/04/07/pf/taxes/rand-paul-flat-tax/index.html?iid=Lead
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Kinda like the fairtax although more complicated. I'd love to see if the fairtax could work in this country. The current tax system is an absolute disaster.

 
Ketamine Dreams said:
bigbottom said:
Where is he on marijuana legalization?
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He wants us all to toke up
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No, he wants to leave it illegal until states decide what to do.

MarijuanaRand Paul’s position on drugs like marijuana is “not to legalize them.” He stresses that smoking marijuana is “a bad thing to do.”

Paul believes the issue of medical marijuana is a states' rights issue and that the federal government should not interfere.[81] In August, the Associated Press reported that Paul said he was opposed to the legalization of marijuana for medicinal purposes,[82] but the Paul campaign states he was misquoted.[81] Though Paul describes himself as a "social conservative," he was nonetheless described by the AP reporter as holding "libertarian leanings on drugs" as well as believing some drug sentences were too harsh.[82] He announced plans to propose eliminating mandatory minimum sentences for marijuana possession, in November 2012.[83]
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cstu said:
johnnycakes said:
So far I like the guy. Please don't ruin it by telling me about him.
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He's a joke. Calls himself a libertarian but opposes abortion and gay rights.
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Lots of libertarians oppose abortion. I'm one of them. (Admittedly a minority in my movement, but not weird fringe or anything).

Edit: Admittedly, his gay rights angle sucks. Of course, he'll be running against a Clinton. Not exactly a progressive or libertarian opponent, but still Paul could improve on this dimension.

 
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He has some interesting fiscal policy and foreign policy ideas that I believe bring forth good discussions in a race.

 
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