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Randy Gregory Suspended 4 games (1 Viewer)

The Cowboys knew they were taking a risk when they drafted Randy Gregory, at a time when many teams backed off.

That risk has now been realized.

Gregory has been suspended four games for violating the league’s policy on substance abuse. He can still participate in offseason programs and the preseason, but won’t play in the first four regular season games.

Gregory tested positive or marijuana at last year’s combine, causing the Nebraska pass-rusher to fall to the second round. The Cowboys insisted they had the right kind of support in place for him, though he apparently slipped through the cracks.

He was part of an offseason splurge on pass-rushers that included free agent Greg Hardy, now it seems unlikely that either of them will suit up for the Cowboys, at least for the first month of the season.

Gregory didn’t have a sack last year, derailed in part by an early ankle injury. But now, there’s another obstacle in the way of his comeback.
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Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet  16m16 minutes ago

Per @NFL drug policy, Randy Gregory failed 4 tests. 1st at combine -- in the program. Then 2-gm fine, then 4-gm fine, then 4-gm suspension
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After his 4 game suspension, he will have missed 8 game checks already.  

 
How mentally weak do you have to be to give up that kind of cash for weed?  No way somebody this weak makes it in the NFL.  

 
I know it's easy to bash on people who mess up and call them "unbelievably stupid" and "mentally weak" and I absolutely hate seeing people let a golden opportunity slip away from them but I would like to remind people that their were multiple reports, though none confirmed since only Gregory had the authority to do so, that he suffers from mental illness.

He should be suspended as people have to be held accountable for their actions to some degree, and I'm not trying to call out anyone. Excuse the mini rant, just wish sometimes people would not be so quick to lump dumb behavior onto people who legitimately struggle with mental illness.

 
menobrown said:
I know it's easy to bash on people who mess up and call them "unbelievably stupid" and "mentally weak" and I absolutely hate seeing people let a golden opportunity slip away from them but I would like to remind people that their were multiple reports, though none confirmed since only Gregory had the authority to do so, that he suffers from mental illness.

He should be suspended as people have to be held accountable for their actions to some degree, and I'm not trying to call out anyone. Excuse the mini rant, just wish sometimes people would not be so quick to lump dumb behavior onto people who legitimately struggle with mental illness.
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You right, all this data was out there.  The stupid people were the boneheads that drafted him.

Good news is, after his suspension is over, he'll be on pace to have the same number of sacks as last year.

 
massraider said:
You right, all this data was out there.  The stupid people were the boneheads that drafted him.

Good news is, after his suspension is over, he'll be on pace to have the same number of sacks as last year.
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No, that's not what I said, not that I would expect you comprehend what I actually did say. His issues impacted his price and almost everyone I know or heard from though he was worth the second round risk.

And when his suspension is over he'll still be an NFL player and you'll still be here posting about NFL players and sitting in judge of them, and he's the one with the mental illness.

 
menobrown said:
No, that's not what I said, not that I would expect you comprehend what I actually did say. His issues impacted his price and almost everyone I know or heard from though he was worth the second round risk.

And when his suspension is over he'll still be an NFL player and you'll still be here posting about NFL players and sitting in judge of them, and he's the one with the mental illness.
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Thanks for breaking it down for me.

It's difficult for me to comprehend anyone that can diagnose mental illness over the internet.  Clearly, I am way out of my league with your intellect.  You may need to type r-e-a-l-l-y slow for me to keep up.  

Also, I didn't bash him.  I called him a putz.  You can have mental illness and still be a putz.  It's science,.  

Big fan of this line:  

almost everyone I know or heard from though he was worth the second round risk
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I like knowing and listening to the teams that take character risks off their board.  Then when they draft players, the players are available to play football games.  

 
massraider said:
It's difficult for me to comprehend anyone that can diagnose mental illness over the internet.  Clearly, I am way out of my league with your intellect.  You may need to type r-e-a-l-l-y slow for me to keep up.  
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Huh, I did not diagnose anything, simply relayed the multiple reports that he suffered from mental illness but you got the rest right so all is not lost for you.

 
There's a reason (many reasons,  in fact) a lot of teams removed him from their draft boards altogether heading into the draft.

I mean,  it would seem crazy to not even consider a guy with his talent in the latter rounds of the draft if he was still available, right? Sixth and seventh round picks are mere dart throws so why not take your chances with a top 10 talent when you're already some 200+ players deep into the talent pool? Sometimes the writing on the proverbial wall is just too glaring to ignore. In retrospect, it seems any moron with simple pattern recognition skills could have seen this coming. 

He tested positive for marijuana twice in his final season at Nebraska. A third failed drug test would have led to him being kicked off the team. And yet obviously, based on his failed combine test, he continued to smoke pot. So not only did he risk getting kicked off of his college team because he refused to stop toking,  he didn't even consider that it might be a good idea to not fail the most important drug test of his life at the combine.  He was viewed as a top 10 and arguably top 5 talent,  he knew what was at stake,  and he still couldn't or wouldn't put down the bong. Throw in that he was repeatedly late to, or altogether missed,  important meetings.

All the while there were already considerable questions concerning his commitment to football and his mental state in general given his fluctuating weight and propensity to mentally check out of big games (see Holiday Bowl his final season).

All of this was known before he was drafted. That he would slip up again... and again... and again... well it should have been a foregone conclusion. But man, what a talent! Look at his speed off the edge!  Well, hell he can't be that bad,  I bet we can help him change, he just needs the right support group in place, and we can provide that... 

Yeah,  good luck with that. 

 
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And believe me, I'd love to be wrong about this guy.  His talent absolutely jumps off the screen.  But I just don't think he's long for the NFL. It's a shame because it would be awesome to see his talents realized in the NFL. Oh well... :shrug:

 
Bucky86 said:
:lol:  And wasn't he the big reason for the Cowboys "A" draft grade after the draft? 
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Bankerguy said:
The A grade is also about Collins and Jones.
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Yes it was also about Collins and Jones as well as Gregory. Popular spin was Dallas got 3 first round talents with those 3 acquisitions and even with Gregory's poor season that was still the spin until this broke.

You could probably field an All-star team of players who were removed from at least one teams board for character or injury issues. I think we often assume GM's or coaches number one goal is trying to find the most talent but for a lot of them the number one goal is job security. This is why a high majority of the character/injury risk players usually go to teams with owners acting as GM(Dallas/Cincy) and head coaches and GM's with immense job security such as Bellichick and Elway. They can afford the gamble and not lose their job over it. Win some, lose some. Dallas is losing this one so far, but it's not over yet.

 
What a bum.  Let's please dispense with the Ramsey talk and just get Bosa or Buckner and move on from this stooge.

 
Gregory is simply the latest example of why the red flags aren't worth it.

To a certain extent, a 2nd rounder on him was a decent price.  Worth the risk.  Going by his pre-draft hype anyway.  Late 2nd rounder, for a pass rusher?  Best pure pass rusher in the draft?  Yeah, I can see that.  If a 2nd rounder busts, it's really not the end of the world.  Heck, if a 1st rounder busts, it's not the end of the world.   It really isn't.  Good teams blow 1st rounders every year.  Every. Single. Year.  

So is it worth the risk?  No.  For one thing:  You are lowering the odds on a pretty dicey bet already.  History says the best drafters only hit about 50% of their picks.  Drafting guys that fail drug tests at the combine, that doesn't really improve the chances.  For another thing:   Because these red flag guys can mess up a team.  They don't have to just wash out, be bad players, and get cut.  They can become decent for a while, maybe earn a big contract, become someone the team is counting on in a big way--THEN start screwing up.  Like Josh Gordon.  Or Greg Hardy.  They can screw your team, by losing their cool, and costing their team a chance in a playoff game, like Burfict and Pac Man a few weeks ago.  

Character/drug red flag guys have a way of screwing their team over in new and unusual ways.  

 
Sabertooth said:
How mentally weak do you have to be to give up that kind of cash for weed?  No way somebody this weak makes it in the NFL.  
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I used to think the same thing but not so much anymore. I heard an interview recently on marijuana use in today's NFL. Basically today's players are afraid of pain killer because of how addicting they are and the negative long term affect. They've seen how the older players have had they're life destroyed by pain killer so they prefer marijuana to help deal with the pain and the healing properties are supposedly better than prescription drugs.

I believe it was Bryant Gumble Sports, not saying I agree just saying i understand todays players are doing it and it basically showed how the NFL has ignored the scientific evidence of the use of marijuana and its healing properties.

Tex

 
Just because someone does something really stupid 4 times in a row that is easily avoidable to jeopardize his future and the team's trust doesn't mean he has a mental illness. He could just be unbelievably arrogant and/or stupid.

 
BigTex said:
I used to think the same thing but not so much anymore. I heard an interview recently on marijuana use in today's NFL. Basically today's players are afraid of pain killer because of how addicting they are and the negative long term affect. They've seen how the older players have had they're life destroyed by pain killer so they prefer marijuana to help deal with the pain and the healing properties are supposedly better than prescription drugs.

I believe it was Bryant Gumble Sports, not saying I agree just saying i understand todays players are doing it and it basically showed how the NFL has ignored the scientific evidence of the use of marijuana and its healing properties.

Tex
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Yeah I don't buy it.  If players are doing that, most are smart enough to cycle off to beat a piss test.  He's not. 

 
Why would they cut him?  Does he have giant red flags (outside of not being very bright and smoking weed)?

 
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humpback said:
Why would they cut him?  Does he have giant red flags (outside of not being very bright and smoking weed)?
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Why would the Browns Cut Manziel? I mean, besides not being very bright and not being able to stay away from booze/parties.

 
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Pots said:
Why would the Browns Cut Manziel? I mean, besides not being very bright and not being able to stay away from booze/parties.
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Not sure if serious.  As far as I can tell, Manziel's rap sheet is much longer, including beating and threatening to kill his ex-girlfriend.

 
Pots said:
Just because someone does something really stupid 4 times in a row that is easily avoidable to jeopardize his future and the team's trust doesn't mean he has a mental illness. He could just be unbelievably arrogant and/or stupid.
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:lol:

 
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2016/2/21/11078594/randy-gregory-cowboys-need-to-protect-their-investment

"Just 24 years old."

"A pass rusher with some good raw ability."

"Stage 3 substance abuse, the next violation gets him a year suspension."

"Selfish player who can't put down the pipe."

The player I just described was Von Miller, two years ago.


May be of interest to#CowboysNation that 2 years ago, Von Miller was where Randy Gregory is now in drug program.https://t.co/EupkdWbI88

— Tom Ryle (@TomRyleBTB)








 
CR69 said:
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2016/2/21/11078594/randy-gregory-cowboys-need-to-protect-their-investment

"Just 24 years old."

"A pass rusher with some good raw ability."

"Stage 3 substance abuse, the next violation gets him a year suspension."

"Selfish player who can't put down the pipe."

The player I just described was Von Miller, two years ago.


May be of interest to#CowboysNation that 2 years ago, Von Miller was where Randy Gregory is now in drug program.https://t.co/EupkdWbI88

— Tom Ryle (@TomRyleBTB)
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Last year Von Miller had 11 regular season sacks and 5 more in the playoffs on the way to becoming the Super Bowl MVP.

2 years ago Von Miller had 14 sacks in 16 games.

3 years ago Von Miller had 5 sacks in 9 games.

4 years ago Von Miller had 18.5 sacks in 16 games.

5 years ago Von Miller had 11.5 sacks in 15 games as a rookie.

Randy Gregory has 0 sacks in 12 games as a rookie.

They're practically twins.

 
Von Miller started all 15 games and played 701 snaps. 

Randy Gregory started 0 games and played 244 snaps. 

Nobody was comparing their numbers btw, just pointing out the similarities with substance use early in their careers. Everyone is quick to write off Gregory, it's a good thing the Broncos didn't do that with Von. 

 
CR69 said:
Von Miller started all 15 games and played 701 snaps. 

Randy Gregory started 0 games and played 244 snaps. 

Nobody was comparing their numbers btw, just pointing out the similarities with substance use early in their careers. Everyone is quick to write off Gregory, it's a good thing the Broncos didn't do that with Von. 
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Well, they both have been suspended.  That is a similarity.  

Miller was 2 seasons and 30 sacks in when he got busted.  Miller gets 30 sacks worth of cred.  Gregory is just a skinny pothead right now.  Look, there he go right there:

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In general, that's the problem with drafting somebody who is already in the program. Increased testing of a young guy with a problem who is suddenly seeing money.

Once you get in the league's program, it's hard to get out.

ETA: And the league forcing suspended players to stay away from team activities, just adds more free time.

 
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JaxBill said:
In general, that's the problem with drafting somebody who is already in the program. Increased testing of a young guy with a problem who is suddenly seeing money.

Once you get in the league's program, it's hard to get out.

ETA: And the league forcing suspended players to stay away from team activities, just adds more free time.
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Didn't the NFL change this policy last season?

 
It's good to see Dallas' insistence on signing these low character dudes, backfire in their face.  There's a report they may let Hardy go. I think that Jerry's son may finally be getting through to him.  I guess we'll see with what they do about Manziel.

 
ed Werder/Adam Schefter reporting that Randy gregory has checked himself int a treatment facility and facing longer suspension.

 
My understanding of Randy Gregory's coming suspension is its for 10 games, at least. There is concern on #Cowboys that he may not play again

— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) July 26, 2016
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