Randy Moss done? (1 Viewer)

[Debeucci]

I think at this point, the titans would be hard pressed to re-sign the guy after the disaster of the season they had with him. In 5 games, he's caught a whopping 60 something yards.

The Pats are a better team now than with him not there.

Minnisota imploded when he was there

Tenneessee is the loser of 5 straight ever since he got there.

Coincidence? Perhaps, but I don't think so. Whatever Randy juice he's putting into the drinking fountains at each of his stops, teams are keeling over. He's making TO look like The Dali Lama.

So....what happens to Randy next year?

What team would take a flyer on him? Or does he retire or go the UFL?

 

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I remember this thread... except it was about TO.

Someone will bid for his services...

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I think at this point, the titans would be hard pressed to re-sign the guy after the disaster of the season they had with him. In 5 games, he's caught a whopping 60 something yards.The Pats are a better team now than with him not there.Minnisota imploded when he was thereTenneessee is the loser of 5 straight ever since he got there.Coincidence? Perhaps, but I don't think so. Whatever Randy juice he's putting into the drinking fountains at each of his stops, teams are keeling over. He's making TO look like The Dali Lama.So....what happens to Randy next year?What team would take a flyer on him? Or does he retire or go the UFL?

I just can't figure out how Collins can't complete more than one pas to Mr. HOF'er against the Jags' pass-D.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I remember this thread... except it was about TO. Someone will bid for his services...

The Titans did that last month. How is that turning out?

 

[vandyt]

I think at this point, the titans would be hard pressed to re-sign the guy after the disaster of the season they had with him. In 5 games, he's caught a whopping 60 something yards.

The Pats are a better team now than with him not there.

Minnisota imploded when he was there

Tenneessee is the loser of 5 straight ever since he got there.

Coincidence? Perhaps, but I don't think so. Whatever Randy juice he's putting into the drinking fountains at each of his stops, teams are keeling over. He's making TO look like The Dali Lama.

So....what happens to Randy next year?

What team would take a flyer on him? Or does he retire or go the UFL?

I just can't figure out how Collins can't complete more than one pas to Mr. HOF'er against the Jags' pass-D.

Randy dropping 2 first downs (including a 20+ yarder inside the 5) and not jumping for a 50/50 ball at the goalline was a start.

Collins was off all day, but Randy was rarely open and the targets he got he did nothing with.

Was at the game, Randy was getting booed by the Titans fans relentlessly. They'd be better off cutting Randy and putting Gage back in the lineup until Britt is healthy. At least Gage blocks.

 

[Debeucci]

I think at this point, the titans would be hard pressed to re-sign the guy after the disaster of the season they had with him. In 5 games, he's caught a whopping 60 something yards.

The Pats are a better team now than with him not there.

Minnisota imploded when he was there

Tenneessee is the loser of 5 straight ever since he got there.

Coincidence? Perhaps, but I don't think so. Whatever Randy juice he's putting into the drinking fountains at each of his stops, teams are keeling over. He's making TO look like The Dali Lama.

So....what happens to Randy next year?

What team would take a flyer on him? Or does he retire or go the UFL?

I just can't figure out how Collins can't complete more than one pas to Mr. HOF'er against the Jags' pass-D.

Randy dropping 2 first downs (including a 20+ yarder inside the 5) and not jumping for a 50/50 ball at the goalline was a start.

Collins was off all day, but Randy was rarely open and the targets he got he did nothing with.

Was at the game, Randy was getting booed by the Titans fans relentlessly. They'd be better off cutting Randy and putting Gage back in the lineup until Britt is healthy. At least Gage blocks.

3.3m a year isn't a huge amount to pay for a wr1. If only the titans this year would take the risk, and with how things have panned out, which team would even bother with him next year? He's already gone through Oakland. Snyder at one point might have taken a risk at him, but Shanny isn't that dumb to allow that to happen. McDaniels? He probalby won't be back. This might be the end of the road for Mr. "I play when I feel like it" At least TO always gave 100% effort. Maybe the Bengals will pick him up. That'd be fun to watch...ocho, TO, and Moss all on one team.

 

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I remember this thread... except it was about TO. Someone will bid for his services...

The Titans did that last month. How is that turning out?

I'm not sure where this vitrol for Moss stems from or why it's directed at me here. I'm merely stating that I believe some team will sign him next year. Do you disagree?

 

[Debeucci]

I remember this thread... except it was about TO. Someone will bid for his services...

The Titans did that last month. How is that turning out?

I'm not sure where this vitrol for Moss stems from or why it's directed at me here. I'm merely stating that I believe some team will sign him next year. Do you disagree?

LOL...hardly vitriol here in this thread bud. But you're right, some team will pick him up...it'll be the Las Vegas Locos.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I remember this thread... except it was about TO. Someone will bid for his services...

The Titans did that last month. How is that turning out?

I'm not sure where this vitrol for Moss stems from or why it's directed at me here. I'm merely stating that I believe some team will sign him next year. Do you disagree?

I do not. I am simply saying that someone did pick up him this year when he was put out there for everyone and it turned horribly. An unmotivated Randy Moss is a useless Randy Moss. Many players can be unmotivated, but still get up enough on game day to produce on some level, but not Moss.

 

[Sweet Love]

I remember this thread... except it was about TO. Someone will bid for his services...

The Titans did that last month. How is that turning out?

I don't know why, but in the end, it would not surprise me to Bellicheck sign him to a vet minimum, heavily incented deal in 2011. Not that he did not bring this upon himself, but I think Minny worked out poorly because he was in shock of being traded (and then the Chilly stuff exploded) and in Tenn, he really has had no QB to work with. Again, he could try to make lemonade out of lemons (which he has shown no interest in doing whatsoever), but with an offseason looming and time to reflect, there is always a chance he could come back more dedicated. I am curious to see how he would do with an African-American head coach. Obviously he played well under Green, but he also had a mentor in Carter (who at the time could contain him); I think an interesting landing spot would be Tampa. Morris has done a nice job of keeping Winslow and Mike Williams in line (yes MW had the DUI, but he was supposed to be a disaster attitude-wise), and while they may not need Moss all that much, it might be a decent landing spot. Plus, Josh Freeman is playing well and it is evident at this stage in his career, Moss needs a good QB.

 

[Debeucci]

I remember this thread... except it was about TO. Someone will bid for his services...

The Titans did that last month. How is that turning out?

I don't know why, but in the end, it would not surprise me to Bellicheck sign him to a vet minimum, heavily incented deal in 2011. Not that he did not bring this upon himself, but I think Minny worked out poorly because he was in shock of being traded (and then the Chilly stuff exploded) and in Tenn, he really has had no QB to work with. Again, he could try to make lemonade out of lemons (which he has shown no interest in doing whatsoever), but with an offseason looming and time to reflect, there is always a chance he could come back more dedicated. I am curious to see how he would do with an African-American head coach. Obviously he played well under Green, but he also had a mentor in Carter (who at the time could contain him); I think an interesting landing spot would be Tampa. Morris has done a nice job of keeping Winslow and Mike Williams in line (yes MW had the DUI, but he was supposed to be a disaster attitude-wise), and while they may not need Moss all that much, it might be a decent landing spot. Plus, Josh Freeman is playing well and it is evident at this stage in his career, Moss needs a good QB.

Tampa is a very young up and coming team. Why would they risk poisoning the lockeroom? In Minn, one of the main reasons they dropped Moss was because he was a bad influence on Harvin. Imagine if MW and Moss started feeding off each other? It'd be worse than my nephews snorting pixie sticks after Halloween.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I agree that Tampa Bay doesn't need a cancer like Moss infecting that young team that is showing lots of promise.

And why would NE want him back? They are winning and doing just fine without him.

 

[VaTerp]

So it's Randy Moss' fault that Young got hurt and the defense all of a sudden forgot how to tackle?

Ok. Got it.

 

[infantsam]

I think his skills have fallen off a cliff.

Other than the occasional great catch over the top what exactly does he do well? I never see a crisp route or strong move anymore - just a sprint up the field.

and I have generally defended him as 'misunderstood'

 

[riggidy]

I think his skills have fallen off a cliff.Other than the occasional great catch over the top what exactly does he do well? I never see a crisp route or strong move anymore - just a sprint up the field.and I have generally defended him as 'misunderstood'

Based on the few spectacular catches he has caught (1 hander vs the jets), I do not think that his skills have fallen off. His heart on the other hand ..... dead.

 

[Ghost Rider]

So it's Randy Moss' fault that Young got hurt and the defense all of a sudden forgot how to tackle?Ok. Got it.

It's never Randy Moss' fault, is it? Oh, and the defense has allowed 56 points in the last three games. That is 19 points a game, which is not bad at all. In fact, it is pretty good. Meanwhile, the offense has scored 22 points COMBINED in the last three games, including a big fat zero against the pathetic Texans defense. So, yeah, it is the unit Moss is a part of that is the biggest problem, not the defense.

 

[VaTerp]

So it's Randy Moss' fault that Young got hurt and the defense all of a sudden forgot how to tackle?Ok. Got it.

It's never Randy Moss' fault, is it? Oh, and the defense has allowed 56 points in the last three games. That is 19 points a game, which is not bad at all. In fact, it is pretty good. Meanwhile, the offense has scored 22 points COMBINED in the last three games, including a big fat zero against the pathetic Texans defense. So, yeah, it is the unit Moss is a part of that is the biggest problem, not the defense.

Not saying it's never Moss' fault. I just find it funny that people ASSUME he's the entire problem and has "poisoned" the locker room. And yes the defense has not giving up a huge amount of points but the tackling has been poor the last few weeks. They let MJD run all over them this week when they usually do a pretty good job of containing him. Likely b/c they are on the field too much with such an inept offense. Either way, I'm not even going to attempt to defend Moss. Again though, it's just funny that all blame goes straight to him. The Titans were a sinking ship with or without Moss this year.

 

[Debeucci]

So it's Randy Moss' fault that Young got hurt and the defense all of a sudden forgot how to tackle?Ok. Got it.

It's never Randy Moss' fault, is it? Oh, and the defense has allowed 56 points in the last three games. That is 19 points a game, which is not bad at all. In fact, it is pretty good. Meanwhile, the offense has scored 22 points COMBINED in the last three games, including a big fat zero against the pathetic Texans defense. So, yeah, it is the unit Moss is a part of that is the biggest problem, not the defense.

Not saying it's never Moss' fault. I just find it funny that people ASSUME he's the entire problem and has "poisoned" the locker room. And yes the defense has not giving up a huge amount of points but the tackling has been poor the last few weeks. They let MJD run all over them this week when they usually do a pretty good job of containing him. Likely b/c they are on the field too much with such an inept offense. Either way, I'm not even going to attempt to defend Moss. Again though, it's just funny that all blame goes straight to him. The Titans were a sinking ship with or without Moss this year.

Titans were 5-3 when they got him. Now they lost 5 in a row. Usually, I might give someone the benefit of the doubt, but consider what happened to NE before and after they got him. What happened in Minn? what's happening in Tenn? Fool me once, fine. twice? Three times?! How much of a pattern do you have to see before you're convinced?

 

[LargeMouthBass]

TO is cancer and Randy Moss is black plague...

They should play together and cancel each other out.

 

[DoubleG]

The comparison between TO and Moss is not a good one. Sure they are both some of the most elite WR in terms of talent in the game. True, they are both divas. However, the comparison has and always will end there. T.O. gives 100% (or extremely close to it) on the football field. He is a complete player who will block, go over the middle, fight for the ball in traffic, etc. Moss will do almost none of the above (and those that he chooses to do, he will only do occasionally.)

All WR's get alligator arms occasionally...Moss has turned it into an art form. He cares little about winning and less about his teammates. As a Bears fan, I used to love when he played on the Vikes. One or two good hits from a DB or LB and he would disappear for most of the game.

The only reason Moss "showed up" in NE for the season he did, is that they made hime "the man" and pumped his stats along with his ego. Moss might very well be the most talented WR ever to put on a uniform - but he's not in the top 3 of all time, because he simply doesn't care to be.

T.O. plays the game with heart - Moss has none. That is where the comparison completely falls apart. One tries and works and plays, even when he doesn't want to or feel like it - the other plays only when he does...which is becoming less and less often.

 

[atl3695]

So it's Randy Moss' fault that Young got hurt and the defense all of a sudden forgot how to tackle?Ok. Got it.

It's never Randy Moss' fault, is it? Oh, and the defense has allowed 56 points in the last three games. That is 19 points a game, which is not bad at all. In fact, it is pretty good. Meanwhile, the offense has scored 22 points COMBINED in the last three games, including a big fat zero against the pathetic Texans defense. So, yeah, it is the unit Moss is a part of that is the biggest problem, not the defense.

Not saying it's never Moss' fault. I just find it funny that people ASSUME he's the entire problem and has "poisoned" the locker room. And yes the defense has not giving up a huge amount of points but the tackling has been poor the last few weeks. They let MJD run all over them this week when they usually do a pretty good job of containing him. Likely b/c they are on the field too much with such an inept offense. Either way, I'm not even going to attempt to defend Moss. Again though, it's just funny that all blame goes straight to him. The Titans were a sinking ship with or without Moss this year.

Titans were 5-3 when they got him. Now they lost 5 in a row. Usually, I might give someone the benefit of the doubt, but consider what happened to NE before and after they got him. What happened in Minn? what's happening in Tenn? Fool me once, fine. twice? Three times?! How much of a pattern do you have to see before you're convinced?

I'm sure Rusty Smith had nothing to do with it.

 

[VaTerp]

So it's Randy Moss' fault that Young got hurt and the defense all of a sudden forgot how to tackle?Ok. Got it.

It's never Randy Moss' fault, is it? Oh, and the defense has allowed 56 points in the last three games. That is 19 points a game, which is not bad at all. In fact, it is pretty good. Meanwhile, the offense has scored 22 points COMBINED in the last three games, including a big fat zero against the pathetic Texans defense. So, yeah, it is the unit Moss is a part of that is the biggest problem, not the defense.

Not saying it's never Moss' fault. I just find it funny that people ASSUME he's the entire problem and has "poisoned" the locker room. And yes the defense has not giving up a huge amount of points but the tackling has been poor the last few weeks. They let MJD run all over them this week when they usually do a pretty good job of containing him. Likely b/c they are on the field too much with such an inept offense. Either way, I'm not even going to attempt to defend Moss. Again though, it's just funny that all blame goes straight to him. The Titans were a sinking ship with or without Moss this year.

Titans were 5-3 when they got him. Now they lost 5 in a row. Usually, I might give someone the benefit of the doubt, but consider what happened to NE before and after they got him. What happened in Minn? what's happening in Tenn? Fool me once, fine. twice? Three times?! How much of a pattern do you have to see before you're convinced?

Correlation does not imply causation.

 

[Dizzy]

TO is cancer and Randy Moss is black plague...They should play together and cancel each other out.

Yeah, I mean look what happened to the Bengals ever since TO showed up.

 

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Lot of people letting pro athletes negatively affect their emotional state in here. Little odd.

 

[delusional]

I remember this thread... except it was about TO. Someone will bid for his services...

Big difference. TO plays. Moss plays when he feels like it

 

[Debeucci]

TO is cancer and Randy Moss is black plague...They should play together and cancel each other out.

Yeah, I mean look what happened to the Bengals ever since TO showed up.

In TO's defense, Bengals sucking has nothing to do with TO. Imagine how bad they'd be if he wasn't there. I have a lot of respect for TO for what he's done in Cincy. There'a few teams that just shoot themselves in the foot and are better than their records...cincy and detroit coming to mind.As far as correlation doesn't mean causation...well,true, but let's say there's a much higher probabilty of it being the case than not. In the Bears first 7 games, Cutler was getting killed. Their Oline sucked. Is there a correlation with sucky oline and cutler being killed? Yes. Causation? Not completley since Martz wasn't exactly helping the cause. But you know what? I'm pretty confident that the sucky Oline was definitely a major contributing factor. as for Moss...is he the cause for the teams he's on to suck and to be better after he leaves? Probably not, but i'm sure he's helped them to suck more.

 

[heidbrink]

...he was put out there for everyone ...

And what, 21 teams (23 if you count vikings and new england), didn't want him if they had the chance. At least 2/3 of nfl teams wouldn't even claim him off waivers. This is telling. And he isn't doing anything in Tennessee to improve his stock for next year. That said, I agree that someone will sign him next year. It will be interesting to see how this shakes out. With Brett likely gone Randy takes center stage as NFL drama queen. I can see him back in New England playing for peanuts because nobody will offer him that one last big deal...not anymore.

 

[footballnerd]

not just correllation.....

its Randy Gate - Mission devised by Bilicheck to sabotage potential playoff teams

 

[Debeucci]

...he was put out there for everyone ...

And what, 21 teams (23 if you count vikings and new england), didn't want him if they had the chance. At least 2/3 of nfl teams wouldn't even claim him off waivers. This is telling. And he isn't doing anything in Tennessee to improve his stock for next year. That said, I agree that someone will sign him next year. It will be interesting to see how this shakes out. With Brett likely gone Randy takes center stage as NFL drama queen. I can see him back in New England playing for peanuts because nobody will offer him that one last big deal...not anymore.

I believe it was actually reported that only one team put in a waiver pick for him.

 

[Dizzy]

TO is cancer and Randy Moss is black plague...

They should play together and cancel each other out.

Yeah, I mean look what happened to the Bengals ever since TO showed up.

In TO's defense, Bengals sucking has nothing to do with TO. Imagine how bad they'd be if he wasn't there. I have a lot of respect for TO for what he's done in Cincy. There'a few teams that just shoot themselves in the foot and are better than their records...cincy and detroit coming to mind.As far as correlation doesn't mean causation...well,true, but let's say there's a much higher probabilty of it being the case than not. In the Bears first 7 games, Cutler was getting killed. Their Oline sucked. Is there a correlation with sucky oline and cutler being killed? Yes. Causation? Not completley since Martz wasn't exactly helping the cause. But you know what? I'm pretty confident that the sucky Oline was definitely a major contributing factor.

as for Moss...is he the cause for the teams he's on to suck and to be better after he leaves? Probably not, but i'm sure he's helped them to suck more.

I knew I should have looked harder for the emoticon.Next time.

 

[Da Guru]

The vet minumum with incentive pay works wonders for motivation.

I would love to see the Lions pick Moss up on a two year incentive laden deal. Let Moss stretch the field and CJ and Pettigrew would have their way underneath. Plus a healthy Stafford could launch the long ball.

 

[FantasyMan]

Titans were 5-3 when they got him. Now they lost 5 in a row. Usually, I might give someone the benefit of the doubt, but consider what happened to NE before and after they got him. What happened in Minn? what's happening in Tenn? Fool me once, fine. twice? Three times?! How much of a pattern do you have to see before you're convinced?

Randy Moss sunk the Vikings this year? He's in the process of sinking the Titans? His leaving made the Patriots better? Really?There is a whole lotta dumb on the internet today.

 

[Ice Cream Man]

TEN is struggling for a number of reasons:

Offense:

-Conservative play calling -- they won games this year by making plays deep, setting up the run.

-VY played terribly at MIA

-VY and KC both got hurt, which contributed to the WAS loss.

-Having to go with a rookie QB the next game contributed to the loss at HOU

-KC coming back from injury have a lackluster game at JAC and hurt by a lot of KEY drops

-THEIR NO.1 RECEIVER BEING OUT OF THE LINEUP for the past 4 weeks.

Defense:

-Unable to tackle - JAC game was terrible

-Not getting pressure on the QB

-Untimely penalties

-Few big plays on defense (turnovers, etc)

No matter what their PPG allowed is, the defense has NOT looked good at all.

It didn't look like the Titans team was comfortable playing in the cold, this past week. Defense and offense had bad hands all around.

Frankly I don't see where Moss fits in here at all. He's learning the offense, contributing a bit more every week. He had a few costly drops last week, so one can only hope his focus will improve.

Britt back this week, another week with Collins at the helm, SHOULD be a better performance. We'll see.

 

[Sweet Love]

So it's Randy Moss' fault that Young got hurt and the defense all of a sudden forgot how to tackle?

Ok. Got it.

It's never Randy Moss' fault, is it? Oh, and the defense has allowed 56 points in the last three games. That is 19 points a game, which is not bad at all. In fact, it is pretty good.

Meanwhile, the offense has scored 22 points COMBINED in the last three games, including a big fat zero against the pathetic Texans defense.

So, yeah, it is the unit Moss is a part of that is the biggest problem, not the defense.

Not saying it's never Moss' fault. I just find it funny that people ASSUME he's the entire problem and has "poisoned" the locker room. And yes the defense has not giving up a huge amount of points but the tackling has been poor the last few weeks. They let MJD run all over them this week when they usually do a pretty good job of containing him. Likely b/c they are on the field too much with such an inept offense. Either way, I'm not even going to attempt to defend Moss.

Again though, it's just funny that all blame goes straight to him. The Titans were a sinking ship with or without Moss this year.

Titans were 5-3 when they got him. Now they lost 5 in a row. Usually, I might give someone the benefit of the doubt, but consider what happened to NE before and after they got him. What happened in Minn? what's happening in Tenn? Fool me once, fine. twice? Three times?! How much of a pattern do you have to see before you're convinced?

I may be fuzzy on the details, but i believe NE lost with Moss to a Jets team that is now 9-2 and lost without Moss to a Cleveland that is now 5-7? I understand they are playing better now, but I don't see the correlation with Moss. Also, Chilly was about to be fired anyway and Chilly's QB was barely speaking with him. In TN, I see little how VY going nuts and leaving the key to Rusty Smith, has anything to do with Moss. Again, I don't think he is really trying, but tell me someone like TO, Vincent Jackson, Deshaun Jackson, Ocho, Braylon, Marshall etc., would be "making the best of their opportunity" in this situation?

 

[packersfan]

I remember this thread... except it was about TO.

As rough as things got for TO last season in Buffalo he never had two receptions or fewer in any game. Moss has now done that eight times this season. I'm sure someone will sign Moss next offseason (assuming there's a 2011 season) but he sure looks done to me. Three different teams in one season have decided that not throwing to Randy Moss gives their team the best chance to win. That's a pretty damning statement right there.

 

[montanagold]

The comparison between TO and Moss is not a good one. Sure they are both some of the most elite WR in terms of talent in the game. True, they are both divas. However, the comparison has and always will end there. T.O. gives 100% (or extremely close to it) on the football field. He is a complete player who will block, go over the middle, fight for the ball in traffic, etc. Moss will do almost none of the above (and those that he chooses to do, he will only do occasionally.)All WR's get alligator arms occasionally...Moss has turned it into an art form. He cares little about winning and less about his teammates. As a Bears fan, I used to love when he played on the Vikes. One or two good hits from a DB or LB and he would disappear for most of the game. The only reason Moss "showed up" in NE for the season he did, is that they made hime "the man" and pumped his stats along with his ego. Moss might very well be the most talented WR ever to put on a uniform - but he's not in the top 3 of all time, because he simply doesn't care to be.T.O. plays the game with heart - Moss has none. That is where the comparison completely falls apart. One tries and works and plays, even when he doesn't want to or feel like it - the other plays only when he does...which is becoming less and less often.

Why doesn't this argument (albeit extreme) work for Emmit Smith and Barry Sanders.?I liked Moss., but when people want to argue you are dead on right.. TO doesn't quit, has heart and should be the hall of famer heads above Moss 100% of the time.

 

[DiStefano]

The vet minumum with incentive pay works wonders for motivation.I would love to see the Lions pick Moss up on a two year incentive laden deal. Let Moss stretch the field and CJ and Pettigrew would have their way underneath. Plus a healthy Stafford could launch the long ball.

You must be dreaming. The only time Moss will stretch the field is when he thinks the ball is coming to him. If he thinks it's going to one of the other guys, he'll loaf.

 

[Serenity Now]

So it's Randy Moss' fault that Young got hurt and the defense all of a sudden forgot how to tackle?

Ok. Got it.

It's never Randy Moss' fault, is it? Oh, and the defense has allowed 56 points in the last three games. That is 19 points a game, which is not bad at all. In fact, it is pretty good.

Meanwhile, the offense has scored 22 points COMBINED in the last three games, including a big fat zero against the pathetic Texans defense.

So, yeah, it is the unit Moss is a part of that is the biggest problem, not the defense.

Not saying it's never Moss' fault. I just find it funny that people ASSUME he's the entire problem and has "poisoned" the locker room. And yes the defense has not giving up a huge amount of points but the tackling has been poor the last few weeks. They let MJD run all over them this week when they usually do a pretty good job of containing him. Likely b/c they are on the field too much with such an inept offense. Either way, I'm not even going to attempt to defend Moss.

Again though, it's just funny that all blame goes straight to him. The Titans were a sinking ship with or without Moss this year.

Titans were 5-3 when they got him. Now they lost 5 in a row. Usually, I might give someone the benefit of the doubt, but consider what happened to NE before and after they got him. What happened in Minn? what's happening in Tenn? Fool me once, fine. twice? Three times?! How much of a pattern do you have to see before you're convinced?

I may be fuzzy on the details, but i believe NE lost with Moss to a Jets team that is now 9-2 and lost without Moss to a Cleveland that is now 5-7? I understand they are playing better now, but I don't see the correlation with Moss. Also, Chilly was about to be fired anyway and Chilly's QB was barely speaking with him. In TN, I see little how VY going nuts and leaving the key to Rusty Smith, has anything to do with Moss. Again, I don't think he is really trying, but tell me someone like TO, Vincent Jackson, Deshaun Jackson, Ocho, Braylon, Marshall etc., would be "making the best of their opportunity" in this situation?

Moss' diva qualities forced the Pats to alter their offensive philosophy to placate him. If he didn't get the ball, he pouted and fumed. He whined about his lack of a contract and told anyone who'd listen that he wasn't excited for the season to begin this year. The Pats moved him along before he could 'poison' the lockerroom. By all accounts, Moss is well liked by his teammates, and upsets the team chemistry not so much by making people like him but by being charismatic and swaying people to listen to him moreso than the coaches. Without Moss to "stretch the field" the Pats are much more balanced and overall successful. The Cleveland game featured the Pats young, shaky D getting the ball shoved down their throats.I don't think it's a fluke that all these teams have struggled with him around. People have this way of thinking that once they get Moss it's all going to be awesome...but then it isn't.

 

[az_prof]

So it's Randy Moss' fault that Young got hurt and the defense all of a sudden forgot how to tackle?Ok. Got it.

It floors me how shallow and weak many are with their analysis. A guy gets a bad rap years ago because of one play and suddenly he is a "cancer" and a "poison" and "plays when he wants." None of these claims are substantiated by anything than previous claims.Collins is one of the worst backup QBs in the league. No one else seems to be doing much with him and has anyone considered how difficult it would be to learn three playbooks in the space of 13 weeks and to now be playing with his fourth QB, the worst of the bunch? They call it "timing" for a reasons and there is a reason teams have all those off season workouts.And as for all those teams doing worse with him, NE was 3-1 with Moss and their only loss was at NYJ. Not exactly bad. Are they better without him? Who knows. But they certainly have enjoyed a lot of success with him over the years. MN situation was a mess as proven by the fact that Chilly is now gone; they traded for Moss because they were a mess. He didn't make MN a mess. And TENN has no QB and no defense; not Moss' fault.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

So it's Randy Moss' fault that Young got hurt and the defense all of a sudden forgot how to tackle?

Ok. Got it.

It floors me how shallow and weak many are with their analysis. A guy gets a bad rap years ago because of one play and suddenly he is a "cancer" and a "poison" and "plays when he wants." None of these claims are substantiated by anything than previous claims.Collins is one of the worst backup QBs in the league. No one else seems to be doing much with him and has anyone considered how difficult it would be to learn three playbooks in the space of 13 weeks and to now be playing with his fourth QB, the worst of the bunch? They call it "timing" for a reasons and there is a reason teams have all those off season workouts.

really?I don't know if the pats are actually BETTER now that moss has left, although it looks that way, but hopefully they'll be better in the future when they cash in that 3rd rounder they stole for him.

 

[two_dollars]

He clearly ends up in Cinci next season.

 

[hostile]

...he was put out there for everyone ...

And what, 21 teams (23 if you count vikings and new england), didn't want him if they had the chance. At least 2/3 of nfl teams wouldn't even claim him off waivers. This is telling. And he isn't doing anything in Tennessee to improve his stock for next year. That said, I agree that someone will sign him next year. It will be interesting to see how this shakes out. With Brett likely gone Randy takes center stage as NFL drama queen. I can see him back in New England playing for peanuts because nobody will offer him that one last big deal...not anymore.

I believe it was actually reported that only one team put in a waiver pick for him.

Actually, iirc, the Pats were going to put in a claim for him, but they were dead last in waivers at the time, and had no shot at him.I would not be surprised to see him back with the Pats next year on a cheap, incentive-laden deal.

 

[Rock Hard]

...he was put out there for everyone ...

And what, 21 teams (23 if you count vikings and new england), didn't want him if they had the chance. At least 2/3 of nfl teams wouldn't even claim him off waivers. This is telling. And he isn't doing anything in Tennessee to improve his stock for next year. That said, I agree that someone will sign him next year. It will be interesting to see how this shakes out. With Brett likely gone Randy takes center stage as NFL drama queen. I can see him back in New England playing for peanuts because nobody will offer him that one last big deal...not anymore.

I believe it was actually reported that only one team put in a waiver pick for him.

Actually, iirc, the Pats were going to put in a claim for him, but they were dead last in waivers at the time, and had no shot at him.I would not be surprised to see him back with the Pats next year on a cheap, incentive-laden deal.

Recall that Moss made it "known" when placed on waivers by Minny that he would not sign with any team he didn't consider had a shot at the SB - at that time there were teams that had some interest but knew it would be a waste of time to claim him since he would just sit out the rest of the season.Back on topic - yeah, agree it's just coincidence BUT he has potential to help spark a turnaround. However, like others are stating, we're just not seeing him play with heart anymore, he's just mailing it in.I really think he's going to have trouble signing with any team next year (at least, for any big bux - prolly only chance will be a heavily incentive-laden contract)

 

[JuniorNB]

Randy Moss is done. Belichick was smart enough to see it and get something for him.

When ALL you offer is flat out speed and can't catch the tough ball over the middle, you become totally worthless when you lose a step and can no longer blow by everyone. Add to that his attitude and selfishness, and he's hardly even worth taking a flyer on anymore. If he was someone who could offer some wisdom to young receivers, he could maybe hang around like a Jerry Rice did when he lost his skillset and physical attributes, but Moss is the exact opposite of someone coaches want tutoring young players.

 

[DoubleG]

So it's Randy Moss' fault that Young got hurt and the defense all of a sudden forgot how to tackle?

Ok. Got it.

It floors me how shallow and weak many are with their analysis. A guy gets a bad rap years ago because of one play and suddenly he is a "cancer" and a "poison" and "plays when he wants." None of these claims are substantiated by anything than previous claims.Collins is one of the worst backup QBs in the league. No one else seems to be doing much with him and has anyone considered how difficult it would be to learn three playbooks in the space of 13 weeks and to now be playing with his fourth QB, the worst of the bunch? They call it "timing" for a reasons and there is a reason teams have all those off season workouts.

And as for all those teams doing worse with him, NE was 3-1 with Moss and their only loss was at NYJ. Not exactly bad. Are they better without him? Who knows. But they certainly have enjoyed a lot of success with him over the years. MN situation was a mess as proven by the fact that Chilly is now gone; they traded for Moss because they were a mess. He didn't make MN a mess. And TENN has no QB and no defense; not Moss' fault.

Agreed...but the Collins that is the worst backup in the league is Todd not Kerry. HTH.

 

[Warhogs]

My early spot I want to see Randy playing next year is San Diego. VJax should be gone. Rivers would be a very nice QB to have throwing him the ball.

 

[Sammy Traveller]

The vet minumum with incentive pay works wonders for motivation.I would love to see the Lions pick Moss up on a two year incentive laden deal. Let Moss stretch the field and CJ and Pettigrew would have their way underneath. Plus a healthy Stafford could launch the long ball.

Be careful what you ask for.Moss did fine in Minnesota when he came out of college. When he went to Oakland he fell off a cliff and seemed washed up.After New England, he went back to Minnesota with a different coach and did little. Now he's with Tennessee and he's back to what he was when he was in Oakland.This is telling us that Belicheck is a master at getting talent out of his players. He has to be the best coach in the universe, if he can get Moss from Oakland for a 4th, pair him with Brady and pump a lot of TD's out of him, and once Moss starts to drag the team, sell him out for a 3rd. The fact that Moss isn't doing well anywhere else -- Belichick has to be the best coach in the game. Better than Lombardi.So, if you want Moss on the Lions for the next 2 years, be prepared for two more losing seasons. IMHO.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

The vet minumum with incentive pay works wonders for motivation.I would love to see the Lions pick Moss up on a two year incentive laden deal. Let Moss stretch the field and CJ and Pettigrew would have their way underneath. Plus a healthy Stafford could launch the long ball.

Be careful what you ask for.Moss did fine in Minnesota when he came out of college. When he went to Oakland he fell off a cliff and seemed washed up.After New England, he went back to Minnesota with a different coach and did little. Now he's with Tennessee and he's back to what he was when he was in Oakland.This is telling us that Belicheck is a master at getting talent out of his players. He has to be the best coach in the universe, if he can get Moss from Oakland for a 4th, pair him with Brady and pump a lot of TD's out of him, and once Moss starts to drag the team, sell him out for a 3rd. The fact that Moss isn't doing well anywhere else -- Belichick has to be the best coach in the game. Better than Lombardi.So, if you want Moss on the Lions for the next 2 years, be prepared for two more losing seasons. IMHO.

 

[Sammy Traveller]

Some of you may already know this but I saw this interesting nugget on the news today:

Moss' W-L record since he was traded: 1-7

Patriots' record since they traded Moss: 7-1

 

[Heatman]

Let's see, I'm an owner and my team needs a #1 WR to be complete and make a serious run at a title. Do I really want to sign a guy who "Plays when he wants" and gives up at the first sign of adversity? Or do I want to go find a guy with a bit less talent who I know is going to give me 100% the whole season?