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I agree whole-heartedly, but if Manning-McNair were co-MVP's, why can't Brady-Moss?
forgot about the Manning/McNair vote. co-MVPs from the same team? makes me think of the Warner/Faulk Rams years for some reason.
That's what Belicheck told them and I'm guessing Belicheks coached a few WR's over the years.Remember, Moss is also the smartest WR in the NFL, at least according to these announcers.
Moss has done this before. Brady hasn't.
Actually, it's more like "look at Brady's numbers compared to what he's done at any point during his career". For Moss, that doesn't apply. He's done this before.
I was only referring to Culpepper and now Brady in my original post. Anyone remember that castaway Randall Cunningham suddenly becoming the league's most dangerous drop back passer once Moss was drafted? Also, Jeff George had a nice little run with the Vikes too.As for the Wes Welker just as instrumental as Moss post. What are you, nuts?Oh my god! You're so cool for thinking outside the box like this. I mean if you get it right, total genius, if you're wrong, who cares, right?! Give me a break man, it's not close. Moss has helped Brady's numbers, but so have Welker and Stallworth and Ben Watson.I've seen Moss make a few spectactular catches, no doubt, but I've also seen some where Moss just runs and runs and it lands right in his hands,perfect throw 40-50 yards downfield, the quarterback has SOMETHING to do with that.
Here is an interesting scenario to consider. Brady is on pace for 4862/60/4 passing. Manning is on pace for 4187/30/7 passing. Harrison is on pace for 56/692/3 receiving, applying his current average over the rest of the Colts' games. (In case it isn't obvious, the point of including Harrison here is that Manning is playing well without him.)Suppose all three of those players maintain their pace and finish with something close to those numbers. Further suppose Indy beats New England this week and goes undefeated in the regular season.Would it still be automatic for Brady to win over Manning?
Cunningham, George, Culpepper, Bouman, Frerotte and their career numbers during the Moss years all agree. It's a long season and anything can happen so who knows, the Pats might even win a Super Bowl by more than a FG with Moss around.
If Brady has 30 more touchdowns than Manning and destroys the td record? Yes, it's automatic. As automatic as something can be. I'm not going to say Welker is as good as Moss, obviously, or that he has as much of an effect on what defenses prepare for, and what it can open up for Brady. But Welker is who is moving the chains every...single....week. Eight more catches today, another touchdown today. The guy fits his role to perfection, and he is an ENORMOUS cog in the NE offense. I think the addition of Moss AND Welker AND Stallworth is what has turned New England into a machine. But it wouldn't be anything without Brady.
hahaha. Brady throws for 60 td's in your imaginary scenerio and you think he wouldn't be a lock for MVP? hahahah
Speaking of running - what if ADP averages around 200 yards a game for remainder of season. Puts him near 2,500 yards rushing and Vikings make playoffs. He would only need to average 100 yards a game less then what he did last week.
that would be badass.
he takes too many plays off
To do that while maintaining 6.55 YPC he'd end up with 400+ carries on the season. I ache just thinking about it.-=kwantam
I get 380 carries using NFL.com's 6.6 average - 1500/6.6 = 228 carries + 158(and 1,036 yards) he already has.He gets to play the Packers and Bears again where he had a 10 ypc average against and was pulled early for.
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If it was another year, yes Brett would have a good number of votes for the MVP. However, the Patriots might not lose all year. Even if they do it'll only be one, maybe two games. On top of this, their offense looks to be one of, if not the greatest of all time. You can argue fairness all you want, but if Brady breaks the TD record, he wins the MVP. Plus, I refuse to believe Favre is the only reason for the Pack's turnaround. Their defense has been playing pretty stellar this year. I think they have as much to do with the Pack's record as Favre.
And the Packers would be probably be about 3-6 without Favre, which is why I think he deserves serious consideration for the MVP award, as of now. Yes, I realize that Brady's obnoxious numbers are going to make it almost impossible for him not to win it, but the award is not for best player...it is for the most valuable player. And I think, so far, Favre has been just as valuable to the Packers as Brady has been to the Patriots, if not moreso.
Bretty Favre is definitely top 3 in MVP voting this year. Green Bay might be winless without him. He just has about 20 TDs less than Brady, so it probably wont happen. But his efforts certainly havent gone unnoticed. And the guy completely deserves to finish his career this way. Never know. He may go out with an Elway-like bang.
The original statement was 200 ypg for 8 games; that's what I went with, hence 200 * 8 * 158/1036 + 158 = 402.Even in your scenario, 380 puts him at second most carries by a rookie of all time (George Rogers had 378 for NO in '81; most was Eric Dickerson with 390). I'm not saying it's impossible, but it would be, IMO, a shameful ploy by Childress to keep his job while endangering ADP's health and future.If I owned him in a dynasty league I'd want to see him stay below 20 carries per game this season.-=kwantam
First read that made sense to me so far. What's the Vegas odds on Brady for MVP? I'm thinking 1:1.Moss is a freak and is recharged. I can see the bandwagon for Moss as MVP. The guy is older now, yet still outjumped and outproduces. But the award is always about QB or RB. Moss stands no chance. It isn't if Brady is only throwing to Moss.With Minnesota, Moss caught 60% of his targets. With Oakland, he caught less than 50%. With NE, he's catching over 70%. So yes, he is doing something he's never done before in his career. When your QB hits you in the hands with the ball in stride, you're kind of forced to catch the ball. Brady is boosting Moss as much as Moss is boosting Brady. It's just that Brady is also turning Welker into an all-pro.Hands down, Brady.
Not so fast. One could also argue that Randy Moss is turning Welker into an all pro by drawing the coverage away from Welker.
LOL, not even remotely close. Brady is currently listed at anywhere from 1:10 to 1:15 meaning you have to put up $1000-$1500 to win $100.The next closest is Manning who lists around 7 or 8:1. Moss lists anywhere from 10:1 to 15:1. Favre is usually somewhere in between the Manning and Moss numbers.First read that made sense to me so far. What's the Vegas odds on Brady for MVP? I'm thinking 1:1.
Moss is a freak and is recharged. I can see the bandwagon for Moss as MVP. The guy is older now, yet still outjumped and outproduces.
But the award is always about QB or RB. Moss stands no chance.
It isn't if Brady is only throwing to Moss.
If the Packers were 9-0, dominated their opponents in 8 out of their 9 games and Favre had 30 TDs and 3 INTs, then Favre would draw serious consideration. I think the Packers secondary are close in value to that team. The redskins defense out foxed Favre, that clearly was not the case when they faced off against brady and co.
I agree. Moss not only makes Brady's numbers better, he makes everyone's numbers better. If Moss was the only receiver aquired by the pats in the offseason and he made last year's receivers numbers better, he would have had a better argument. As it goes, its Brady that is taking advantage of the situation and is getting the job done. Brady should win the MVP if this continues, but its because of Moss. Brady would never have accomplished this without Moss.
