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Deion could have ran with him and pretty much any other player that has ever played the game...but Moss' height with the speed and hands is what makes him "the freak."Moss could beat any DB that's ever played the game, which makes him the greatest WR of alltime.
I figured it out. You are Randy's agent.
LINKMost Pass Receptions, CareerProbably not a bigger dropoff from #1 to #2 at any position. For the record, I'd take Marvin Harrison over Moss amongst recent WR's. Probably slot Moss just ahead of Owens though.Jerry Rice. No question.
Except Rice did it in a 12-game season.
There was nothing "new" about that offense. Walsh was running it for the Bengals in the late 60's under Paul Brown. It wasn't actually given a name ("West Coast Offense") until Walsh started having success with it in San Francisco.
I disagree with you about the comparison to Ruth.In 22 seasons, Ruth led the league in WAR 12 times and led the league in SLG and OPS 13 times... though those statistics are partially redundant. He won just one MVP in that span.1. No he didn't- When Ruth hit 54 HRs in 1920 the St Louis Browns hit 50 AS A TEAM- and they had the second highest # of HRs in the league. In terms of player to player comparisons Ruth lead the league in OPS, slugging and WAR for 13 straight seasons and is still the career leader in those categories and his single season records stood for decades. By 1960 Hutson's single season receiving record had been broken 7 times and his single season TD record matched. Since then his career TD record has been almost doubled and his yardage almost tripled by Jerry Rice. Ruth's dominance is not nearly matched by Hutson.2. Yes- Ruth's numbers should be downgraded due to the time frame he played in.Do you feel the same about Babe Ruth? Because Hutson dominated his position like Ruth did.Hey, remember back when there were 9 teams in the league, all the players had full time jobs during the week and black people weren't allowed in the league? I bet the guy who set records then was way better than any of the guys to play now!!!not even close. when you have someone play both ways, special teams and kick, we will talk about the most athletically gifted player.don hutson was the man. He still holds NFL records 60 years after he retired. Feel free to compare him to all the steroid freaks of the past 20 years. He still rocks.
Plus, the way this is written (Most TDs, Season), it is incorrect. Rice had 23 TDs in 1987 (22 receiving, 1 rushing).
You mean that they are idiots for not signing a guy who is an aging one trick pony and when not doing that trick takes the play off while being a locker room cancer and all around drama chemistry destroying machine? His raw talent carried his career much longer than pretty much any other person would have with that attitude and personality.
You are asking why Randy Moss is not doing something.... anything.... the right way? Really?
I believe you nailed this one LHucks. The only problem is all the reporters sorta "biting the hand that feeds". I enjoy the RB makin moves, bonecrushing D, but I almost jump out of my chair, when a player like Moss does his thing. I almost feel the Commish should hold a press conference, explaining his thoughts on teams gambling fans for revenue. But Im afraid that a lack of production last Season, coupled w/ a desire to play for NE, makes any issues/concerns almost irrelevant. The only question that I have is how you view the fallout in NE (was he wrong to want compensation for his effort) NE performed quite well w/o Moss. Do you accept what appears to be a desire to be paid by a team he loves, as opposed to makin cheese somewhere else?
Only teams with a strong vet qb in need of a wr, where he hasn't already caused problem should consider bringing him in. Colts, saints, chargers if they lose vj, and the steelers come to mind but I doubt any of them would want him.
Nah, he is new to football, have you not heard?
Pro Bowls are a sketchy thing, but Moss made four 1st team All Pro teams, which is legitimately great. Harrison made three FWIW.Oh, and that Jerry Rice guy? TEN.
Okay, but it only started thriving in San Francisco once Walsh had perfected it. Probably a better situation playing for Walsh than Denny Green, and most would also take Montana over Daunte Culpepper.
The current MVP didn't exist until Ruth was 36 (he placed 5th and 6th at ages 36 and 37)- the previous award could only be won by a player once- Ruth missed 42 games the first season he was eligible and then won it his second- he couldn't have won it more than once.I disagree with you about the comparison to Ruth.In 22 seasons, Ruth led the league in WAR 12 times and led the league in SLG and OPS 13 times... though those statistics are partially redundant. He won just one MVP in that span.1. No he didn't- When Ruth hit 54 HRs in 1920 the St Louis Browns hit 50 AS A TEAM- and they had the second highest # of HRs in the league. In terms of player to player comparisons Ruth lead the league in OPS, slugging and WAR for 13 straight seasons and is still the career leader in those categories and his single season records stood for decades. By 1960 Hutson's single season receiving record had been broken 7 times and his single season TD record matched. Since then his career TD record has been almost doubled and his yardage almost tripled by Jerry Rice. Ruth's dominance is not nearly matched by Hutson.2. Yes- Ruth's numbers should be downgraded due to the time frame he played in.Do you feel the same about Babe Ruth? Because Hutson dominated his position like Ruth did.Hey, remember back when there were 9 teams in the league, all the players had full time jobs during the week and black people weren't allowed in the league? I bet the guy who set records then was way better than any of the guys to play now!!!not even close. when you have someone play both ways, special teams and kick, we will talk about the most athletically gifted player.don hutson was the man. He still holds NFL records 60 years after he retired. Feel free to compare him to all the steroid freaks of the past 20 years. He still rocks.
In 11 seasons, Hutson led the league in receptions 8 times, receiving yards 7 times, receiving yards per game 8 times, and receiving TDs 9 times. He won 2 MVP awards and was 1st team All Pro 8 times.
Hutson held the career TD record for 44 years, and no one who surpassed him in TDs was close to him in per game TD production. Today he ranks #16 in TDs with 105 TDs... but in just 116 games.
Not sure how much of a pioneer Ruth is considered to be for baseball, but Hutson is considered to be a pioneer. He is given credit for developing many of the WR routes commonly used in the NFL today.
Neither of them played in integrated leagues.
It's not a perfect comparison, but Hutson is closer to Ruth than is any other player in the history of the NFL.
All that said, I realize this isn't the purpose of the thread.
Each of those organizations are too smart to waste their time with him. I see the Cowboys and the Jets being the only organizations that would be crazy enough to think it might work but I see both offering an extremely small 1 year contract. If he is expecting a team to come begging him to come play for them late in the season while offering a boatload of cash he is sorely mistaken. And I would actually bet that in his warped head that that is what he thinks will happen.
I don't get your name - I thought it meant "Just Because". Now in your avatar it say "Just Cause" so the name JuSt CaWz. JuSt aN iDeA.
I notice he still had a Vikings jersey in those clips. Wonder if he's trained with even a fraction of that intensity in the last 8+ years?
He'd witness this whenever he decided to retire. I don't see how this would make him want to retire sooner.I'm pretty sure he (like most aging WRs) thinks he's more valuable than he really is at this point of his career. When he didn't get an offer he was happy with from a team that might contend for the playoffs, he decided to retire rather than accept a lesser offer or suffer the embarrassment of sitting out on the open market for months. If the right offer comes along I'm guessing he'd probably come out of "retirement" for it. This is just a face-saving gesture.
Actually, his name is Justin, and that's his team name from the league he plays in with his cousin.
Because Philly knows what the hell they are doing.Just like I said when teams could have traded for Vick...most of the GMs in the leagues are morons for not going after him.
Funny, I just heard on the radio a little while ago that supposedly he filed the papers to the league today, making the retirement official. No link though.
Favre filed retirement papers in February 2009 and still played that year.
It looked obvious in Oakland too. We know what happened in NE after that.
I don't ever pay attention to the business side of football, just passing along what I heard. I wouldn't be surprised if he unretires for the right deal if he's allowed to.
I would pay Randy before I paid Plax.
As an FYI, Joe Montana averaged 210 passing yards per game in San Francisco. Daunte Culpepper averaged 249 yards per game in Minnesota. Montana averaged 1.46 TD per game, Culpepper 1.67.Which situation was better for producing stats?
What did Culpepper accomplish when he didn't have Moss to throw to? What did Montana accomplish when he didn't have Rice to throw to. There is little doubt that SF with Walsh and Montana was the better situation IMO. This debate has been hashed out and beaten to death in other threads so there is no point doing it here.
I don't understand your point. Are you saying it's easier to put up good numbers as a WR when your QB throws for 210 yards and 1.5 TDs per game than when your QB throws for 249 yards and 1.7 TDs? Because that would seem to defy any logic.Or is the argument that Moss was soooo good he turned Daunte Culpepper into a more productive QB than Jerry Rice could turn Joe Montana into? Moss and Culpepper played together from '00 to '04. Rice and Montana played together from '85 to '90. From 2000 to 2005, Culpepper averaged 255 passing yards and 1.8 passing TDs per game. From 1985 to 1990, Montana averaged 239 passing yards and 1.7 passing TDs per game. Tell me again how Rice's situation was better for racking up yards and touchdowns please. That just doesn't make any sense.
In 2004, with Moss missing 5 games and ineffective in most of the others (had a total of 767 receiving yards), Culpepper threw for 4717 yards and 39 TDs, one of the best QB seasons in NFL history.
Do you think it's coincidence that Culpepper only threw for 235.8 yards 1.8 TDs per game while Moss was out compared to 321.6 yards 2.7 TDs with him? I think it was because Moss was double teamed which opened everyone else up. It's worth mentioning that with those 767 yards in 11 games Moss also had 13 TDs!
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just the most athletically gifted
