Randy Moss vs Larry Fitzgerald (1 Viewer)

[Deuce'sWild]

I think it's crazy how so many owners are grabbing Fitz over Moss this year. Sure Fitz is a model of consistency, but having Boldin on the opposite side limits his upside I think. Plus, how many Qbs over 40 have finished 16 full games? If Warner goes down then Fitz is poop...I have ZERO confidence in Leinart.

Moss's downside was last year, he had over 1000 yds and 12 tds. With Brady in the lineup, his upside would be near 20 tds and 1400 yds. I think a safe projection is 1300 and 16 tds. That is a safe projection, and I would think that is Fitz's ROOF (he's never had over 12 Tds).

Just looking for some other opinions on this. Everyone is going Fitz at #7....I'm thinking Moss.

 

[Balance]

QB: Tom Brady, Kevin O'Connell, Andrew Walter, Brian Hoyer

Are you willing to bet these guys can do what Cassel did?

ETA - kind of odd you would frame Warner as the risky QB here.

 

[Monk81]

I'd go with Moss or Andre Johnson over Fitz.

 

[David Yudkin]

QB: Tom Brady, Kevin O'Connell, Andrew Walter, Brian Hoyer

Are you willing to bet these guys can do what Cassel did?

ETA - kind of odd you would frame Warner as the risky QB here.

And Matt Leinart has done gangbusters?

 

[sbonomo]

Apparently you did not watch the playoffs last year. Fitz is a freak with a rare combination of speed, jumping ability and ridiculous hands. This is not taking anything away from Moss however, to say that Fitz has no upside is taking it to far. Boldin seemed to have the 2-3 touchdown games on 6 receptions last year. I am looking for Fitz to get a few of those along with 100+ receptions and 1300+ yards. Also, teams are going to have a hard time double teaming him with Boldin and Breaston on the field plus they get to play NFC west teams twice. I certainly don’t think it is as cut an dry as you are trying to make it.

 

[HF21]

I agree. I think Fitz will be gone before I get a chance to take him at #8, but I'm fine with that. I'll take Moss.

 

[Balance]

QB: Tom Brady, Kevin O'Connell, Andrew Walter, Brian Hoyer

Are you willing to bet these guys can do what Cassel did?

ETA - kind of odd you would frame Warner as the risky QB here.

And Matt Leinart has done gangbusters?

That is not my argument....

 

[sbonomo]

QB: Tom Brady, Kevin O'Connell, Andrew Walter, Brian Hoyer

Are you willing to bet these guys can do what Cassel did?

ETA - kind of odd you would frame Warner as the risky QB here.

And Matt Leinart has done gangbusters?

He certainly has more potential than those scrubs. He has been in the system for 3 years and has shown that he can at least run the most of the offense. I don't think that he is ever going to be a great QB but he can at least get Fitz/Boldin the ball.

 

[joffer]

In PPR, i've got them pretty even. Non-PPR, Moss is my WR#1

 

[boosh]

I think Fitz is the more talented WR right now, I believe Moss is in the best senario in terms of fantasy. He put up very nice numbers without Brady last season and should go right back to 12-14 with a ceiling of more this season. I am in a distance scoring league and will take Moss first WR all day long. I know Fitz has the talent to put up 14 plus tds, I just don't think he will with Boldin taking his share as well. And of course you can't predict injuries but you can play the odds that if Warner lasts 16 games it will be beating the odds against it.

 

[parrot]

QB: Tom Brady, Kevin O'Connell, Andrew Walter, Brian Hoyer

Are you willing to bet these guys can do what Cassel did?

ETA - kind of odd you would frame Warner as the risky QB here.

Brady started every game for six years prior to the knee injury last year. Warner has played a complete 16 game regular season slate only 3 times in eleven years, for a variety of reasons.

 

[David Yudkin]

Apparently you did not watch the playoffs last year. Fitz is a freak with a rare combination of speed, jumping ability and ridiculous hands. This is not taking anything away from Moss however, to say that Fitz has no upside is taking it to far. Boldin seemed to have the 2-3 touchdown games on 6 receptions last year. I am looking for Fitz to get a few of those along with 100+ receptions and 1300+ yards. Also, teams are going to have a hard time double teaming him with Boldin and Breaston on the field plus they get to play NFC west teams twice. I certainly don’t think it is as cut an dry as you are trying to make it.

I don't really have a horse in this race, as anyone that owns either one of them should be happy.That being said, Boldin was outproducing Fitzgerald before he got hurt. On a per game basis with Fitz, Boldin, and Warner all playing there is literally almost no difference in the production of Fitz and Boldin in their four years together.Don't let post season games distort how things will be. It seems like many times people see what happens in the playoffs and accept that as how things will turn out over a much larger slate of games when that's not usually the case.Also, both Brady and Warner are coming off of surgery, so it's not like either one is a pillar of health entering the season . . .

 

[Tigerbot Hesh]

I'd be happy with either one of them. If Boldin is healthy, Fitzgerald will have some weeks where he's underused and Boldin puts up the big numbers. But I would be more than happy to have either one on my team.

 

[Balance]

QB: Tom Brady, Kevin O'Connell, Andrew Walter, Brian Hoyer

Are you willing to bet these guys can do what Cassel did?

ETA - kind of odd you would frame Warner as the risky QB here.

Brady started every game for six years prior to the knee injury last year. Warner has played a complete 16 game regular season slate only 3 times in eleven years, for a variety of reasons.

And yet the one coming off major knee surgery and missing nearly the entire season last year is Brady.You are another person missing the point. I guess I wasn't clear, or I guess people will read what they want to read into something.

I actually agree with the OP, just disagree with the logic. You can't say you Like Moss better than Fitz because you don't like Leinart but ignore Brady's backups. Ignore the possibility of Brady missing games (he likely isn't even completely healed yet), and make the assumption Warner will miss games. You are simply framing hypotheticals to fit your opinions.

ETA - all things being equal I will take Leinart + Fitz over Moss + O'Connell.

 

[Largie]

Apparently you did not watch the playoffs last year. Fitz is a freak with a rare combination of speed, jumping ability and ridiculous hands. This is not taking anything away from Moss however, to say that Fitz has no upside is taking it to far. Boldin seemed to have the 2-3 touchdown games on 6 receptions last year. I am looking for Fitz to get a few of those along with 100+ receptions and 1300+ yards. Also, teams are going to have a hard time double teaming him with Boldin and Breaston on the field plus they get to play NFC west teams twice. I certainly don’t think it is as cut an dry as you are trying to make it.

I don't really have a horse in this race, as anyone that owns either one of them should be happy.That being said, Boldin was outproducing Fitzgerald before he got hurt. On a per game basis with Fitz, Boldin, and Warner all playing there is literally almost no difference in the production of Fitz and Boldin in their four years together.Don't let post season games distort how things will be. It seems like many times people see what happens in the playoffs and accept that as how things will turn out over a much larger slate of games when that's not usually the case.Also, both Brady and Warner are coming off of surgery, so it's not like either one is a pillar of health entering the season . . .

Warner has a chemistry with Boldin, and like David said, very similar when both are in there healthy. Moss-Brady connection can't be underestimated. They've been working non-stop together in the offseason and are basically BFF's. I'm a Moss guy 100% this year and owned both the past 2 seasons.

 

[KCC]

I would take both Moss and Calvin Johnson over Fitz in a heartbeat. Fitzgerald looked awesome in the playoffs, but he wasn't even the best receiver on his team over much of the regular season last year.

 

[Fantasy Strategist]

I agree Moss is the guy to have and I like AJ and Bolden better than Fitzy this year...Bolden and Fitzy are pretty equal to me...Moss and AJ are THE wr for their respective teams. You can get Moss and AJ after Fitzy and can get Bolden a round later if you want to go RB/QB in the 1st.

 

[parrot]

QB: Tom Brady, Kevin O'Connell, Andrew Walter, Brian Hoyer

Are you willing to bet these guys can do what Cassel did?

ETA - kind of odd you would frame Warner as the risky QB here.

Brady started every game for six years prior to the knee injury last year. Warner has played a complete 16 game regular season slate only 3 times in eleven years, for a variety of reasons.

And yet the one coming off major knee surgery and missing nearly the entire season last year is Brady.You are another person missing the point. I guess I wasn't clear, or I guess people will read what they want to read into something.

I don't think I missed the point; yes, Brady is coming off major injury, and yes, that does bring his durability into question. But he's also six years younger than Warner and outside of last year has never missed a start due to injury. Last year was an anomoly for both these QBs in that Brady missed time and Warner actually made it through a whole season. That's my point.

 

[KCC]

Also, for those big on Fitz as the #1 WR, how do you feel about Arizona sending out every signal (including with their draft picks) that they plan on running more this season? I know - every team will run more this season - but given their draft and their coaches offensive philosophy, don't you see them emphasizing the ground game more than they did last year?

 

[Deuce'sWild]

Anyone think the Billicheat could actually get good production out of Andrew Walther? I know I will get ripped for this, but NE does a great job of protecting the passer and getting rid of the ball quick. I really think Cassell is over rated and just a product of the NE system....but that's a whole new thread.

My point is, Walther has a strong arm and I think in the right system he could fill in just as well or better at NE than Cassell did.

 

[David Yudkin]

Also, for those big on Fitz as the #1 WR, how do you feel about Arizona sending out every signal (including with their draft picks) that they plan on running more this season? I know - every team will run more this season - but given their draft and their coaches offensive philosophy, don't you see them emphasizing the ground game more than they did last year?

The existing coaching staff has said this every year since they've been there (this makes three years), yet they have not upgraded the OL very much at all and have not really run anymore or any better. I understand that they drafted Wells and they may try to run a little more. Nothing breeds success more than success, so if the running attack starts to work they certainly will go to it more. But if it doesn't work, then they are right back to square one.

 

[baconisgood]

Don't let post season games distort how things will be. It seems like many times people see what happens in the playoffs and accept that as how things will turn out over a much larger slate of games when that's not usually the case.

It may not always be the case but Fitz is 2 years younger than Boldin and at an age where improvement is still a possibility. Moss' age 26 season was ~ 30 pts better than any previous season, Tor Holt's age 27 season was ~35 pts better than his 2nd best to that point, TO at 27, all three guys were high end receivers and improved around the age Fitz is here.

 

[Deuce'sWild]

The only reason I even consider Fitz over Moss is the playoff schedule. Moss will play in cold weather vs Car, @buf, and vs Jax. Fitz plays in warm weather or domes @SF, @det, and vs StL.

That makes it pretty even. But as far as points on the season... Moss will be the man.

Edit: perhaps they use these weeks to run a lot though...as they should be up big on all these teams. that's very speculative though without knowing playoff scenarios

Although 2007-8 Moss put up 10 for 128 and 4 tds at buff in november and had 7 tds in December....all at cold weather stadiums.

 

[Superdbs]

QB: Tom Brady, Kevin O'Connell, Andrew Walter, Brian Hoyer

Are you willing to bet these guys can do what Cassel did?

ETA - kind of odd you would frame Warner as the risky QB here.

And Matt Leinart has done gangbusters?

Not to hijack the thread here, but one of the things that spooks me about Moss is these other QBs. Leinart is at least serviceable and wouldn't totally kill Fitz and Boldin. What's your opinion of the Patriot backups, David? I would think the Pats offense falls off a cliff if Brady goes down again--

 

[Balance]

QB: Tom Brady, Kevin O'Connell, Andrew Walter, Brian Hoyer

Are you willing to bet these guys can do what Cassel did?

ETA - kind of odd you would frame Warner as the risky QB here.

Brady started every game for six years prior to the knee injury last year. Warner has played a complete 16 game regular season slate only 3 times in eleven years, for a variety of reasons.

And yet the one coming off major knee surgery and missing nearly the entire season last year is Brady.You are another person missing the point. I guess I wasn't clear, or I guess people will read what they want to read into something.

I don't think I missed the point; yes, Brady is coming off major injury, and yes, that does bring his durability into question. But he's also six years younger than Warner and outside of last year has never missed a start due to injury. Last year was an anomoly for both these QBs in that Brady missed time and Warner actually made it through a whole season. That's my point.

Yes, you missed the point.The point was it is ridiculous to argue a QB's likelyhood of getting injured (and subsequently the quality of his backup) in an attempt to justify your bias towards one receiver.

But have at it, if you think you have the ability to predict the future with regards to injuries to two specific QB's - more power to you.

 

[sinatravolta]

I think this is a tough call but I wouldn't worry too much about Leinart. When he started in previous years - Fitzgerald still got his and it was Boldin whose stats dropped off a lot. I will look for the stats now but in the early days for Leinart/Warner - Matt latched on to Fitz and Warner actually latched on to Boldin more.

I also think the postseason in this case matters. Sometimes people read too much into that - especially a big Super Bowl performance. But this was every game in the playoffs and with opposing teams knowing they had to focus on shutting down Fitz but still not being able to do it.

I think it's a very tough call between Moss and Fitz (and even Andre Johnson). But I don't buy the Leinart argument nor the idea that the postseason was a mirage for Fitz' chances this year.

 

[parrot]

Yes, you missed the point.

The point was it is ridiculous to argue a QB's likelyhood of getting injured in an attempt to justify your bias towards one receiver.

But have at it, if you think you have the ability to predict the future with regards to injuries to two specific QB's - more power to you.

Go ahead and point out where I predicted anything. I'll wait...I also didn't ever endorse it as a rationale for choosing one receiver over another. In fact I never mentioned their receivers at all. FYI, my response was only to your statement

" ETA - kind of odd you would frame Warner as the risky QB here."

Given their career trends, respective ages, the fact that both are coming off surgery, and the fact that all reports indicate Brady's rehab has gone very well, I don't find it odd at all. At best you might call it a wash. HOPE THIS HELPS!

 

[sinatravolta]

Someone else may have something better but it looks like the only decent time period where Leinart, Fitz and Boldin played together was 2006 weeks 10-16 (7 weeks). I added them up:

Fitzgerald 40-577-3

Boldin 32-483-1

If you extrapolate those stats for Fitz over a 16-game season - you get 91-1,319-7. Factor in that he's 3 years older (and better), the Cards are better, Leinart may be better now too than he was then, and that you are much more likely to have Leinart as QB for only part of the time this season - and to me it looks like it's not worth worrying much about.

Boldin - you could maybe worry a little bit but not much. I think the less experienced QB is more likely to lock in on his #1 guy more.

I don't know much about Brady's backups - but I would be if anything a little more worried about that. I do think Brady is less likely than Warner to go down, although it's a concern at this point for both.

 

[AllVolUT]

+1 for Moss here. Outside of MJD, ADP, and Turner, I'd take Moss in the 4 hole.

 

[Captain Hook]

Also, for those big on Fitz as the #1 WR, how do you feel about Arizona sending out every signal (including with their draft picks) that they plan on running more this season? I know - every team will run more this season - but given their draft and their coaches offensive philosophy, don't you see them emphasizing the ground game more than they did last year?

That is really twisting things.......they cut Edge loose and so were looking for a RB to bring into the system......BUT signing Warner to a two year contract by definition makes them a passing team (especially with Fitzgerald, Boldin, and Breaston)As they go forward and move from Warner > Leinart (or someone else) they know they will have to run MORE......AND yes in games THIS year where they are ahead and want to run the clock they also have to run the ball........with Wells and Hightower

They will still be throwing more than most teams this year - it is why they brought Warner back

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I really think Cassell is over rated and just a product of the NE system....but that's a whole new thread.

Actually it would be a repeat of about 50 threads already this offseason.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

QB: Tom Brady, Kevin O'Connell, Andrew Walter, Brian Hoyer

Are you willing to bet these guys can do what Cassel did?

ETA - kind of odd you would frame Warner as the risky QB here.

And Matt Leinart has done gangbusters?

Not to hijack the thread here, but one of the things that spooks me about Moss is these other QBs. Leinart is at least serviceable and wouldn't totally kill Fitz and Boldin. What's your opinion of the Patriot backups, David? I would think the Pats offense falls off a cliff if Brady goes down again--

I'm sure that the same thing would have been said last offseason.

 

[kutta]

Also, for those big on Fitz as the #1 WR, how do you feel about Arizona sending out every signal (including with their draft picks) that they plan on running more this season? I know - every team will run more this season - but given their draft and their coaches offensive philosophy, don't you see them emphasizing the ground game more than they did last year?

That is really twisting things.......they cut Edge loose and so were looking for a RB to bring into the system......BUT signing Warner to a two year contract by definition makes them a passing team (especially with Fitzgerald, Boldin, and Breaston)As they go forward and move from Warner > Leinart (or someone else) they know they will have to run MORE......AND yes in games THIS year where they are ahead and want to run the clock they also have to run the ball........with Wells and Hightower

They will still be throwing more than most teams this year - it is why they brought Warner back

Additionally, there has been quite a bit of talk about how the coaching staff is tailoring the offense to Warner's strengths. Last year in training camp they did not know how the starting QB was going to be, so they could not put in all the schemes for Warner. Now that Warner is the man and the coaches have had an entire year and a full training camp, they are really focusing on what Warner does best.

 

[TenTimes]

I agree. I think Fitz will be gone before I get a chance to take him at #8, but I'm fine with that. I'll take Moss.

Just did exactly this (Fitz 7th). I was set to take him but I'm not complaining about Moss, and happy that Boldin is still an option later on

 

[jurb26]

Moss hands down. IMO anyone rankings Fitz over Moss is basing their ranking on last season and last season alone. I'm sure lots of folks have already chimed in on this and there have probably been solid arguments for both sides. In the end it comes down to this for me. Fitz has a career high of 12 TDs in a season and he did last last year in what I think was a perfect storm for him. Moss has scored more TDs than that 5 times and averages over 12 TDs per season for his 11 year career (that includes the wasted time he had in Oak). If you take away the Oak seasons he averages nearly 14 TDs per season.

Now I'm sure a lot of you will say, but wait TDs are unpredictable from year to year! I don't care. Moss is a physical freak with a demonstrated ability to score and score in bunches. Fitz is not. Moss is also still playing in the offensive scheme and team that led to him breaking the single season record for receiving TDs. His has his HOF QB back and I've seen nothing from Moss over the past 2 years to indicate that his physical skills have diminished (that much anyway).

Moss in a landslide for me. Actually I'm a bit irritated that this thread had to come up cause I was really loving the idea of getting Moss as the 4th or so WR off the board and now that may not happen as much.

 

[CrossEyed]

Redraft - flip a coin. Either guy could end up having the bigger year. Dynasty or keeper - not even close, with Fitz being 6 years younger.

So calling someone "crazy" for taking Fitz over Moss is...well...crazy.

 

[Adebisi]

QB: Tom Brady, Kevin O'Connell, Andrew Walter, Brian Hoyer

Are you willing to bet these guys can do what Cassel did?

ETA - kind of odd you would frame Warner as the risky QB here.

And Matt Leinart has done gangbusters?

He certainly has more potential than those scrubs. He has been in the system for 3 years and has shown that he can at least run the most of the offense. I don't think that he is ever going to be a great QB but he can at least get Fitz/Boldin the ball.

Aside from you speaking out of both sides of your mouth ("He certainly has more potential than those scrubs;" "I don't think that he is ever going to be a great QB"), when did Leinart show he could run the offense?

 

[kutta]

Moss hands down. IMO anyone rankings Fitz over Moss is basing their ranking on last season and last season alone. I'm sure lots of folks have already chimed in on this and there have probably been solid arguments for both sides. In the end it comes down to this for me. Fitz has a career high of 12 TDs in a season and he did last last year in what I think was a perfect storm for him. Moss has scored more TDs than that 5 times and averages over 12 TDs per season for his 11 year career (that includes the wasted time he had in Oak). If you take away the Oak seasons he averages nearly 14 TDs per season.Now I'm sure a lot of you will say, but wait TDs are unpredictable from year to year! I don't care. Moss is a physical freak with a demonstrated ability to score and score in bunches. Fitz is not. Moss is also still playing in the offensive scheme and team that led to him breaking the single season record for receiving TDs. His has his HOF QB back and I've seen nothing from Moss over the past 2 years to indicate that his physical skills have diminished (that much anyway).Moss in a landslide for me. Actually I'm a bit irritated that this thread had to come up cause I was really loving the idea of getting Moss as the 4th or so WR off the board and now that may not happen as much.

I agree, with your assessment. But the thing about Fitz is that he is a very safe pick. He doesn't get hurt. He is young. Arizona is going to pass a ton. And the Arizona offense really started to click last year. Yes, a lot of the same things can be said about Moss. But we do not know how Brady's knee really is. Moss is getting a little older. And the addition lf Galloway could affect Moss' numbers.I think Moss' high side is higher than Fitz's. But I think Fitz is more of a lock to end the season as a top 5 WR than Moss is.ETA: I agree, however, that people picking FItz super high are a bit off base. Why not grab a good RB in the 1st and pick up Boldin in the 2nd and pretty much get the same production from your WR, but score a top flight RB?

 

[havox]

just playing devils advocate: anyone concerned with randys age? i don't think he's shown any decline yet but it has to start sometime..

 

[Mmen of Steel]

just playing devils advocate: anyone concerned with randys age? i don't think he's shown any decline yet but it has to start sometime..

I was thinking the same thing. I still like a fired-up Brady & a cohesive WR corps in NE.

 

[baconisgood]

just playing devils advocate: anyone concerned with randys age? i don't think he's shown any decline yet but it has to start sometime..

Receivers generally don't fall off cliffs at 32- name a great WR and check him out, odds are his major decline starts 33 or later and virtually none just disappear on year its more like they go from 1500 yards and 13 TDs to 1200 and 10.

 

[kremenull]

QB: Tom Brady, Kevin O'Connell, Andrew Walter, Brian Hoyer

Are you willing to bet these guys can do what Cassel did?

ETA - kind of odd you would frame Warner as the risky QB here.

Brady started every game for six years prior to the knee injury last year. Warner has played a complete 16 game regular season slate only 3 times in eleven years, for a variety of reasons.

And yet the one coming off major knee surgery and missing nearly the entire season last year is Brady.You are another person missing the point. I guess I wasn't clear, or I guess people will read what they want to read into something.

I actually agree with the OP, just disagree with the logic. You can't say you Like Moss better than Fitz because you don't like Leinart but ignore Brady's backups. Ignore the possibility of Brady missing games (he likely isn't even completely healed yet), and make the assumption Warner will miss games. You are simply framing hypotheticals to fit your opinions.

ETA - all things being equal I will take Leinart + Fitz over Moss + O'Connell.

Moss and Fitz are both great and not much differentiates them heading into this season as far as projected numbers. There isn't a definitive argument that one is clearly better than the other in terms of fantasy production. Flip a coin and take either and barring injuries, you'll be just fine. But if someone is going to base their decision on the what ifs, especially with regards to the QBs getting injured and their backup having to come in, then I'd be very careful before making that above conclusion.

One, most people probably know very little about O'Connell and his standing within the Pats team right now, and from this statement, I don't believe this responder knows much about him, either. In looking at either of these scenarios for the backup, the first thing that I'd consider is if the strengths of the incoming QB match up with the strengths of the featured WR. And with Moss, it would be a good thing if the backup QB had a strong, accurate arm. And O'Connell does.

For Ftiz, the arm strength would help out, but is not so critical as with Moss, however, timing and delivering the ball in the right spots for Fitz is critical. The Warner-Fitz combo is so lethal right now because Warner delivers the ball on time as well as in the right spots for Fitz as he rarely has to break stride on the quick-released passes and thus can get his "RAC" on, and he (Warner) also delivers the high balls (fades and other jump balls) to spots where only Fitz can get them and with the proper trajectory, not simply a rainbow/lollipop type of throws that I've seen Leinart toss in the past.

At this point, unless Leinart has improved (as reported) marketedly over his past showings, then I would actually be more confident in O'Connell right now even without him having taken one NFL snap yet.

FWIW, I have little doubts that O'Connell is better than Cassell, and would have performed at least as well, if not better than him, even last year, if given the opportunity. I'm not going to go into a detailed breakdown, but I have done my player evaluation of his skill set vs Cassell's......The kid is better, not even really close! And with those weapons surrounding him, he'd be just fine if called upon.

We've left the building.........

 

[Native]

+1 for Moss here. Outside of MJD, ADP, and Turner, I'd take Moss in the 4 hole.

Agree with you. Id take it to an even greater extreme. Aside from Adrian Peterson, these two guys are the SAFEST picks in the entire draft. IMO they are safer than Tomlinson (concern about injuries), MJD (concern hes never done it before), Forte (concern about talent and YPC) or SJAX (concerns about supporting cast). It sounds ludicrous, but Id have no problem taking either of them as high as #2. Dont be afraid to buck the trend if you think you're right. Blast away.

 

[Masked Vigilante]

Has Randy taken over the #1 spot?

 

[massraider]

And the addition of Galloway could affect Moss' numbers.

Beg pardon?I'm sorry, what was that?

 

[sentr]

Has Randy taken over the #1 spot?

For me he has. I am drafting 10 of 12 in my biggest $$ draft, start 3 WR, non PPR this Saturday. I am taking Moss at 10 and will take Andre Johnson or Calvin Johnson on the way back down. If Fitz happens to be there at 1.10 I am still taking Moss, then Johnson or Johnson. Years of playing this crazy game has got me feeling better about Moss than Fitz- something is not sitting right with me concerning Fitz this year. Was last year an anomaly? No. But was last year a possible ceiling for Fitz? Maybe.... Factoring everything into the situation, I feel more confident in Moss.

 

[baconisgood]

But was last year a possible ceiling for Fitz? Maybe

I have Moss #1 in my rankings as well- but what elite WR has had a ceiling year at 25?

 

[cmv5]

Has Randy taken over the #1 spot?

For me he has. I am drafting 10 of 12 in my biggest $$ draft, start 3 WR, non PPR this Saturday. I am taking Moss at 10 and will take Andre Johnson or Calvin Johnson on the way back down. If Fitz happens to be there at 1.10 I am still taking Moss, then Johnson or Johnson. Years of playing this crazy game has got me feeling better about Moss than Fitz- something is not sitting right with me concerning Fitz this year. Was last year an anomaly? No. But was last year a possible ceiling for Fitz? Maybe.... Factoring everything into the situation, I feel more confident in Moss.

After the way he played in the playoffs, I think it is safe to say he can do better than 1431 and 12 tds. In the playoffs he put up 548 yards and 7 touchdowns. That is 38% of his yardage and 58% of the touchdowns he had in the regular season. Obviously, I don't see him able to maintain that pace over an entire season but saying 12 touchdowns is already his ceiling is a wee bit premature.

 

[massraider]

But was last year a possible ceiling for Fitz? Maybe

I have Moss #1 in my rankings as well- but what elite WR has had a ceiling year at 25?

I dunno, is he going to get a better passer than Warner in the next few years?

 

[GCP]

Fitzgerald has come of age and will score 15+ times this season. He and Randy are 1 and 1a.