Randy Moss (1 Viewer)

[PhillyStars]

well it is the end of week 2 and Oakland is falling apart, Moss appears to be losing interest, Brooks is now out for weeks, Walter had a dismal day in week in relief and Moss has put up a total of 79 yards and 0 TD's. My stud starting WR ..........

So is this what is to be expected based on the situation the rest of the year?

Will Walter gets his feet under him and help Moss recover?

What is he worth on the trade block in this lousy environment?

Thanks for induldging me in my misery

 

[wannabee]

have to hold, no one will give you much ... and I would not advise anyone to buy into any member of the Raiders right now

 

[Marc Levin]

Not much - his outlook is pretty bad going forward.

I wouldn't pay much more than a middle range WR2 is worth for him.

His best trade value is as an add-on to try and improve elsewhere - like at RB.

 

[redCashion]

Anyone know his contract status? It seems like his real value is in dynasty leagues assuming Oakland has yet another regime change in the offseason, or better yet he can find himself on another team.

 

[Cixelsyd]

I own Moss in 2 leagues and I'm sick for it...

Right now, the best we can hope for is Volek signs with the Raiders and then he takes out a Sack Insurance Coverage with Lloyds of London that pays him 100,000 per sack....

Actually if the Raiders could use the bye to fire the OC and get Volek, I would at least feel good about using Moss as my 3rd WR, but it probally won't happen

 

[Demons]

And here I was getting ridiculed for panicking when I traded Moss and Lamont Jordan for Maroney last week in a dynasty league.

Moss and a mid-tier guy for an upgrade is all you are likely to get.

 

[thatguy]

And here I was getting ridiculed for panicking when I traded Moss and Lamont Jordan for Maroney last week in a dynasty league.Moss and a mid-tier guy for an upgrade is all you are likely to get.

When I first read that, I thought it said Morency, and I felt very sad for you.After reading it a second time, nice trade.

 

[Blackjacks]

Lets also remember that Moss has had to go against the 2 best defenses (okay + DA BEARS) so far in the 2006 season. Lets see after his bye at home against Cleveland how he can do. I might recommend buying as of now if you can get him cheap enough.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Definite hold...his value is too low to trade right now.

 

[ceo3west]

Sell, Mortimer, sell! Get in there and selllll!!!

 

[Kiddnets]

I have Moss in 2 leagues and shopped him intensely - only offers I got were WR#4's and laughs. You have no choice but to hold...wait...and pray.

They have a bye week to figure out some things - the schedule is a lot easier after that. I still think Oak is not as bad as it looks right now - holding out hope that they rebound and put up respectable offensive numbers.

Yes I have Lamont too!

 

[jon_mx]

Are there any die-hard raiders fans in your league.

 

[ren hoek]

Sell, Mortimer, sell! Get in there and selllll!!!

turn those machines back on! turn those machines back onnnnn!!

 

[TheRingLeader$]

Definite hold...his value is too low to trade right now.

and if they land volek, his value should go back up....

 

[zoonation]

I just picked up Moss and Foster for Muhammed and Williamson in a redraft...thought it was pretty good value.

 

[softball]

Sell Moss=

Be VERY sorry going forward. They played a very tough San Diego front 7 and followed that with a very tough BAL defensive backfield.

Panick sells=bad moves...

Cleveland was run over by NO

SF-is aweful on D

DEN-is OVERRATED on D

ARZ-should be a shootout.

A lot of FF points coming for the patient owners-IMHO

 

[Bobcat10]

I've got the Moss owner asking me about Cadillac and Fred Taylor. Not gonna happen right now.

I think the Moss owners need to hold still.

 

[Interception_Irwin]

Moss and Favre were just traded for TO in my league. Not sure what to think about that one...

If I owned Moss, I would hold him and ride it out.

 

[Limp Ditka]

I've got the Moss owner asking me about Cadillac and Fred Taylor. Not gonna happen right now.I think the Moss owners need to hold still.

If he wants both, I wouldn't do it.If he's willing to take Carnell and only Carnell, I'd be gift wrapping that Cadillac Elvis style.

 

[Kiddnets]

Sell Moss=Be VERY sorry going forward. They played a very tough San Diego front 7 and followed that with a very tough BAL defensive backfield.Panick sells=bad moves...Cleveland was run over by NOSF-is aweful on DDEN-is OVERRATED on DARZ-should be a shootout.A lot of FF points coming for the patient owners-IMHO

Man I hope you're right - as a R Moss/S SMith owner I have resisted temptation to deal them for the lower level garbage offered so far. Hope its rewarded before I am 0-4!

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

Definitely hold him if you have him...might not be a bad buy if you can trade some spare parts for him.

 

[Bobcat10]

I've got the Moss owner asking me about Cadillac and Fred Taylor. Not gonna happen right now.I think the Moss owners need to hold still.

If he wants both, I wouldn't do it.If he's willing to take Carnell and only Carnell, I'd be gift wrapping that Cadillac Elvis style.

I'm not sure I agree with that right now. At least with Moss on a bye this week. I'd rather make a move next week if I'm buying Moss. And that gives one more week to judge my team.

 

[AnonymousBob]

Those that are holding out hope Volek gets traded to the Raiders-that's a reach. He's closerthanthis to going to the Chargers and besides-can he throw with no offensive line?

All Raiders should be avoided as though they were lepers.

 

[Limp Ditka]

I've got the Moss owner asking me about Cadillac and Fred Taylor. Not gonna happen right now.I think the Moss owners need to hold still.

If he wants both, I wouldn't do it.If he's willing to take Carnell and only Carnell, I'd be gift wrapping that Cadillac Elvis style.

I'm not sure I agree with that right now. At least with Moss on a bye this week. I'd rather make a move next week if I'm buying Moss. And that gives one more week to judge my team.

Things to condsiderDon't forget, you aren't the only one judging your team, he is too. As well as his own.And if Caddy puts up another stinker against Carolina, which is very likely, he might not be enough to get you Moss anymore.Do you have two better options at RB going into this week?If so, does the value of Caddy drop by being perceived as a bench player on your squad?

 

[gebz306]

Buy, Sell, Hold?

Drop

 

[Ron_Mexico]

I've got the Moss owner asking me about Cadillac and Fred Taylor. Not gonna happen right now.I think the Moss owners need to hold still.

If he wants both, I wouldn't do it.If he's willing to take Carnell and only Carnell, I'd be gift wrapping that Cadillac Elvis style.

Cadillac has much more value than Randy Moss,it's not even close.

 

[The Royal Jack]

Got Moss today for Marion Barber and Marques Colston.

 

[Shiggy Shaol]

I've got the Moss owner asking me about Cadillac and Fred Taylor. Not gonna happen right now.I think the Moss owners need to hold still.

If he wants both, I wouldn't do it.If he's willing to take Carnell and only Carnell, I'd be gift wrapping that Cadillac Elvis style.

Cadillac has much more value than Randy Moss,it's not even close.

I agree completely. I have Moss in one of my leagues and I'd love to get Braylon and Antonio Bryant for Moss and a throwin. I'm not even looking for a Chambers/Roy Williams type anymore.

 

[Athletic Supporter]

Those that are holding out hope Volek gets traded to the Raiders-that's a reach. He's closerthanthis to going to the Chargers and besides-can he throw with no offensive line?

All Raiders should be avoided as though they were lepers.

Chargers | Team acquires Volek

Tue, 19 Sep 2006 08:48:16 -0700

ESPN reports the San Diego Chargers have acquired QB Billy Volek (Titans) in exchange for an undisclosed draft pick.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

Are there any die-hard raiders fans in your league.

Yep, a few of them...and they won't f- him with somebody elses junk.You pretty much have to hold Moss for now and hope he has a big game soon...then deal him when the value has spiked.I still like his playoff schedule, but that offensive line REEKS of being abysmal for a while. That pretty much makes him a non-factor, even when they're behind. No time to throw, means no garbage time stats.

 

[Limp Ditka]

I've got the Moss owner asking me about Cadillac and Fred Taylor. Not gonna happen right now.I think the Moss owners need to hold still.

If he wants both, I wouldn't do it.If he's willing to take Carnell and only Carnell, I'd be gift wrapping that Cadillac Elvis style.

Cadillac has much more value than Randy Moss,it's not even close.

Cadillac has bust of the year written all over him and will never live up to his ADPThe schedule is brutal and the playoff stretch is as hard as there is in football this year.Week 13 - @PITT Week 14 - ATLWeek 15 - @CHIWeek 16 - @ClevelandWeek 17 - SEAI'd much rather take my chances with just about any other undisputed RB1 in the league right now than Cadillac and like I said, if there are two better options at RB on his team, I'd be selling and selling fast.

 

[Bobcat10]

I've got the Moss owner asking me about Cadillac and Fred Taylor. Not gonna happen right now.I think the Moss owners need to hold still.

If he wants both, I wouldn't do it.If he's willing to take Carnell and only Carnell, I'd be gift wrapping that Cadillac Elvis style.

I'm not sure I agree with that right now. At least with Moss on a bye this week. I'd rather make a move next week if I'm buying Moss. And that gives one more week to judge my team.

Things to condsiderDon't forget, you aren't the only one judging your team, he is too. As well as his own.And if Caddy puts up another stinker against Carolina, which is very likely, he might not be enough to get you Moss anymore.Do you have two better options at RB going into this week?If so, does the value of Caddy drop by being perceived as a bench player on your squad?

I hear ya. Carolina has been run on this year though. But they have faced teams with legit QBs and good OLs.Never intended to turn this into a AC forum debate....but my rb's are....Caddy, T. Jones, Taylor, BarberIII, B. JacobsMaybe the biggest question is the status of the Raider QB situation....or if the poor output so far is directly related to the defenses they have faced.

 

[PatsWillWin]

I've got the Moss owner asking me about Cadillac and Fred Taylor. Not gonna happen right now.I think the Moss owners need to hold still.

If he wants both, I wouldn't do it.If he's willing to take Carnell and only Carnell, I'd be gift wrapping that Cadillac Elvis style.

Cadillac has much more value than Randy Moss,it's not even close.

Cadillac has bust of the year written all over him and will never live up to his ADPThe schedule is brutal and the playoff stretch is as hard as there is in football this year.Week 13 - @PITT Week 14 - ATLWeek 15 - @CHIWeek 16 - @ClevelandWeek 17 - SEAI'd much rather take my chances with just about any other undisputed RB1 in the league right now than Cadillac and like I said, if there are two better options at RB on his team, I'd be selling and selling fast.

This may all be true.But Cadillac > Moss still.

 

[ceo3west]

Moss is nothing but a name now. Amazing what happens in two weeks in the FF world. I have Braylon Edwards and Greg Jennings on my bench, and honestly I would not trade either of these players for Moss. That situation in Oakland is bleaker than bleak - Moss looks like a prime bust candidate for all of 2006. Every year there are guys that this happens to - this is Moss' year.

 

[Limp Ditka]

I've got the Moss owner asking me about Cadillac and Fred Taylor. Not gonna happen right now.I think the Moss owners need to hold still.

If he wants both, I wouldn't do it.If he's willing to take Carnell and only Carnell, I'd be gift wrapping that Cadillac Elvis style.

Cadillac has much more value than Randy Moss,it's not even close.

Cadillac has bust of the year written all over him and will never live up to his ADPThe schedule is brutal and the playoff stretch is as hard as there is in football this year.Week 13 - @PITT Week 14 - ATLWeek 15 - @CHIWeek 16 - @ClevelandWeek 17 - SEAI'd much rather take my chances with just about any other undisputed RB1 in the league right now than Cadillac and like I said, if there are two better options at RB on his team, I'd be selling and selling fast.

This may all be true.But Cadillac > Moss still.

Then who do you expect to be equal vlaue to Cadillac?Most wise owners look at playoff schedule when making trades. Who's going to touch him with that schedule unless they're desperate?And just to add to the value, here's Moss' matchups for the same weeksWeek 13 - HOUWeek 14 - @CINWeek 15 - STLWeek 16 - KCWeek 17 - @NYJThat schedule alone, compared to Cadillac's, evens the playing field in terms of value IMO.

 

[Shiggy Shaol]

Fellow Moss owners - you may find this interesting.

I'm dealing Moss and Kitna for Vick and Lee Evans right now. The guy trading Vick doesn't need him because he has Eli as well. He's fine with taking on the Moss risk.

I do not need Vick either because I have Brady. (though Vick might actually be better fantasy wise than Brady right now). So I'm going to shop Brady or Vick and get another WR back.

In effect, I'm trading Moss for Lee Evans (at floor value) and whatever WR I'll get later on.

I fully expect that WR to be somebody in the realm of Houshmandzadeh/A.Bryant or maybe even Chambers since his owner needs a QB badly. Talks have already begun on this end.

Saying goodbye to the Moss worries and concerns,

Shiggy

EDIT to add: This is not a rate my trade post. Seriously. If you hated it, I wouldn't care because I'm done with Moss and that's a PLUS in my opinion.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

I've got the Moss owner asking me about Cadillac and Fred Taylor. Not gonna happen right now.I think the Moss owners need to hold still.

If he wants both, I wouldn't do it.If he's willing to take Carnell and only Carnell, I'd be gift wrapping that Cadillac Elvis style.

Cadillac has much more value than Randy Moss,it's not even close.

Cadillac has bust of the year written all over him and will never live up to his ADPThe schedule is brutal and the playoff stretch is as hard as there is in football this year.Week 13 - @PITT Week 14 - ATLWeek 15 - @CHIWeek 16 - @ClevelandWeek 17 - SEAI'd much rather take my chances with just about any other undisputed RB1 in the league right now than Cadillac and like I said, if there are two better options at RB on his team, I'd be selling and selling fast.

This may all be true.But Cadillac > Moss still.

thank you.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Moss will still get his 1100 and 10. Now is a great time to buy low.

 

[Limp Ditka]

I've got the Moss owner asking me about Cadillac and Fred Taylor. Not gonna happen right now.I think the Moss owners need to hold still.

If he wants both, I wouldn't do it.If he's willing to take Carnell and only Carnell, I'd be gift wrapping that Cadillac Elvis style.

Cadillac has much more value than Randy Moss,it's not even close.

Cadillac has bust of the year written all over him and will never live up to his ADPThe schedule is brutal and the playoff stretch is as hard as there is in football this year.Week 13 - @PITT Week 14 - ATLWeek 15 - @CHIWeek 16 - @ClevelandWeek 17 - SEAI'd much rather take my chances with just about any other undisputed RB1 in the league right now than Cadillac and like I said, if there are two better options at RB on his team, I'd be selling and selling fast.

This may all be true.But Cadillac > Moss still.

thank you.

Same question to you too then. What do you expect in return for Cadillac?

 

[Aabye]

FWIW, I just traded for Moss in a dynasty league. I gave:

Branch

Warner

2007 1st rounder (probably between 9-12)

for:

Moss

Plummer

I see 950 yards and 6 TDs as his floor. The Raiders stink, but it's pretty pessimistic to predict that this offense can't do a little better than the efforts they put up against the Chargers and Ravens.

For this season, I think Moss has WR2 value. He's just too talented and he's really the only receiving threat that the Raiders have. I have to think that Oakland's offense this year can't be too much worse than New Orleans' offense last year, and Stallworth managed to put up solid WR2 numbers there. It's just hard for me to imagine that Moss is going to underperform that over the course of the season.

In dynasty, I still see him at around WR8-10. He obviously has top 5 talent and is absolutely dominant in a decent offense.

So I'm certainly in the "buy" camp for Moss in dynasty, and probably in redraft as well.

 

[rascal]

Moss is nothing but a name now. Amazing what happens in two weeks in the FF world. I have Braylon Edwards and Greg Jennings on my bench, and honestly I would not trade either of these players for Moss. That situation in Oakland is bleaker than bleak - Moss look slike a prime bust candidate for all of 2006. Every year there are guys that this happens to - this is Moss' year.

Agreed.I was just offered R Moss for Kevan Barlow and I honestly don't know if I want to do it. I don't really need Moss, and I especially don't need the headache.AH!! The guy just offered J Galloway. That shows how worthless Moss is now.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Moss is nothing but a name now. Amazing what happens in two weeks in the FF world. I have Braylon Edwards and Greg Jennings on my bench, and honestly I would not trade either of these players for Moss. That situation in Oakland is bleaker than bleak - Moss look slike a prime bust candidate for all of 2006. Every year there are guys that this happens to - this is Moss' year.

Agreed.I was just offered R Moss for Kevan Barlow and I honestly don't know if I want to do it. I don't really need Moss, and I especially don't need the headache.AH!! The guy just offered J Galloway. That shows how worthless Moss is now.

It shows nothing. The person chasing Barlow is beyond moronic.

 

[Kiddnets]

Been offered a deal of Mike Bell for Moss and some cash in next year's draft (which I have extra) - could use an extra RB, am thinking about it.

 

[ILoveMyLions]

Those selling Moss in dynasty are not getting near enough for him IMO. The guy is still young and may very well be on a different team right now. To give him up for the lower tier if WRs is foolish. I was offered a trade for him today as well. I'll hold on to him and see what happens the rest of this year and offseason if I get garbage offers.

 

[tipsy mcstagger]

Sold.

I gave him and Alex Smith away for Droughns & Barlow plus cash for our FA cap.

Hard choice to make, but I needed RB depth and have ZERO confidence in da raiders doing anything this year. Plus i'm deep at WR, even though Moss was my first WR pick, and Eli is starting everything but his bye week for me.

I think this also was as much value as I could possibly get for him in my league of savy owners. Getting rid of him only happened because my trade partner neede a qb bad and had way to many RB's (Duece was his #3).

It took us 1 hour of constant IM'ing to work it out, but now I am happy as a clam to be done with the guy.

We also threw in my Brooks for his Plummer....and a stipulation that we have to start them against each other in the superbowl if we make it.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

Sold.I gave him and Alex Smith away for Droughns & Barlow plus cash for our FA cap. Hard choice to make, but I needed RB depth and have ZERO confidence in da raiders doing anything this year. Plus i'm deep at WR, even though Moss was my first WR pick, and Eli is starting everything but his bye week for me.I think this also was as much value as I could possibly get for him in my league of savy owners. Getting rid of him only happened because my trade partner neede a qb bad and had way to many RB's (Duece was his #3).It took us 1 hour of constant IM'ing to work it out, but now I am happy as a clam to be done with the guy.We also threw in my Brooks for his Plummer....and a stipulation that we have to start them against each other in the superbowl if we make it.

Ouch. Amazing to see people giving Moss away for RB3's after only two weeks. I'm not sure that he is FF gold anymore but this is the absolute worst time to be dealing him. After the bye he has Cleveland and San Fran...if you are planning to deal it might be worth your while to deal him after week 5. Deals for scrubs like Droughns and Barlow will always be there.

 

[tipsy mcstagger]

I think a bigger ouch goes to anybody holding on to Moss waiting to see if Oakland can get an offense together.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

I think a bigger ouch goes to anybody holding on to Moss waiting to see if Oakland can get an offense together.

Just so we're clear here, through two games the Raiders are averaging 129 yards passing (not including sacks) per game (258 total passing yards). Last year Raiders QBs threw for nearly 243 yards per game. The low water mark in the NFL (32nd in passing yards per game) for the past four years:2005: San Fran 137 yards passing per game2004: Baltimore 160 yards passing per game2003: Baltimore 157 yards passing per game 2002: Houston 165 yards passing per gameThere is nowhere to go but up for the Raiders passing game and Moss. Nothing wrong with dealing him but your timing couldn't have been worse.

 

[AnonymousBob]

I think a bigger ouch goes to anybody holding on to Moss waiting to see if Oakland can get an offense together.

Just so we're clear here, through two games the Raiders are averaging 129 yards passing (not including sacks) per game (258 total passing yards). Last year Raiders QBs threw for nearly 243 yards per game. The low water mark in the NFL (32nd in passing yards per game) for the past four years:2005: San Fran 137 yards passing per game2004: Baltimore 160 yards passing per game2003: Baltimore 157 yards passing per game 2002: Houston 165 yards passing per gameThere is nowhere to go but up for the Raiders passing game and Moss. Nothing wrong with dealing him but your timing couldn't have been worse.

You've just shown us the Raiders offense is on pace to become the worst aerial assault of all time and you expect us to BUY Randy?Who on the Niners last year was worth a hoot? Lloyd? Battle? :X

 

[Kiddnets]

Sold! Randy is gone - dealt him and another bum (T henry) for Mike Bell, M Barber and I Bruce. I had to throw in a decent amount of cap money for next year but I had some to spare and Bell/Barber are good keepers.

Wish I could have rode it out but I also have Lamont so I needed some RB help ASAP and the was no way I would ever play 2 guys from that horrible team!!!