Randy Moss (1 Viewer)

[Eagles09]

Is this the week Randy Moss puts together a solid game? I have read that both Clev secondary is banged up, which could lead to Moss having a breakout game. However is the best plan for Moss owners to bench him one more week to see if that O in Oak has gotten any better over the bye week and then feel comfortable putting him back in the lineup?

Basically just trying to call out to all Moss owners and find out what kind a strategy you are using with him for the next few weeks...

An upcoming schedule for him....

Week 4: vs Browns

Week 5: @ 49ers

Week 6: @ Denver

Moss owners. what say you?

 

[CrossEyed]

I'm starting him. If he stinks it up again this week he's on the bench until I see something happening in Oakland.

 

[Sabertooth]

At this point, a big game from Randy would constitute 3 catches for 60+ yards. I have resisted to urge to give up on Randy and hope it begins to be off. Weeks 4 and 5 are pretty much going to let you know whether Randy will be a compete and total bust (meaning not even a solid WR 2 or 3) or whether he can be spot started.

Randy is almost certainly not going to prove worthy of his draft status.

 

[David Yudkin]

The week you bench Moss is the week he goes for 180/3. Oakland will not face SD and BAL every week.

 

[laughinboy_2000]

The week you bench Moss is the week he goes for 180/3. Oakland will not face SD and BAL every week.

Remind me again the last time Moss had 180 yards and 3 TD's? It will all be about Lamont Jordan this week. Until you see some kind of production, he should stay on the bench.

 

[Sabertooth]

Week 4 of 2003 vs San Fran Moss went off for 172 and 3 touchdowns.

I think that is his highest single game yardage total.

 

[inca911]

Oakland will not face SD and BAL every week.

The jury is still out on what the Raiders and Moss will do against a normal defense. The Chargers have only allowed 7 points this year, and the Ravens have allowed 20. That #1 and #2 in the NFL. SDs passing D has only allowed 205 yds this year. In comparison, the Texans have allowed 962 passing yards (albeit in one more game).

 

[softball]

The week you bench Moss is the week he goes for 180/3. Oakland will not face SD and BAL every week.

I've been beating this drum for 4 weeks now. Panic is ALWAYS the enemy. Unless you are the Fantasy beneficiary of it...I like what the Raiders sched. looks like for the REST of the season.

 

[ghawk]

I have Randy Moss on my squad and I think he will actually do well this weekend. I'm up in the air about putting him in because we start two WR's in my 12 team league and presently I am starting Reggie Wayne and Andre Johnson.... I just have a feeling that Randy might get 90 yards and a couple of TD's this week.

 

[ryoly]

The issue here is not so much Randy Moss, when healthy he is as gifted a WR as any other in the league...

Oakland's OL was totally overmatched by the Chargers and the Ravens, 2 of the finest Defenses in the NFL, which should not be the case this week against Clev.

If, and the operative word here is "if", they can hold their own against the Browns' front 7, then there is still hope for Randy in the near future, "if" not, then it might be time to start thinking about cutting bait...

I think this could be the week that shows us what the future holds for Mr Moss, and I will have him in the lineup...

 

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

Undecided - We start 3 WR's (Holt, Driver, Moss/Keyshawn/Williamson). Right now trying to trade him as Keyshawn and Williamson have easily outproduced him so far. Current offer is Warrick Dunn (Yes we need RB help badly) - (Opine on this in Assistant Coach thread - please).

So right now I'm thinking (pending trade) of Starting Moss this week, even if they are getting Jordan involved in the passing game. My reasoning is that the short dump offs to Jordan will slow the pass rush, cause a few less blitzing LB's, etc.. This should give more time for Moss to get open and Walter to find him.

 

[Bwanna]

The week you bench Moss is the week he goes for 180/3. Oakland will not face SD and BAL every week.

I drafted Moss in the 2nd round last year... kept telling myself the same thing ^ ... all year. Basically it was a waste of a roster spot in all but a couple of games.This year, if he was still available I wouldn't have drafted him in the last round. When Randy isn't winning or getting the ball, he's pouting and will usually take himself out of the game mentally.Last year he had a decent QB who wasn't under constant pressure. Not the case this year.My advice: If you can wait until he has a decent game (at least 60/1 will be decent)... trade him fast, and don't look back.

 

[midnightxxxx]

If he goes another 3 games without production I will lose faith in Moss. Right now I am starting him even though I would probably get better production out of Braylon Edwards this week as my WR#3.

 

[hankd]

He's on my bench behind Wayne, Driver, and Glenn until he shows something...

 

[SSOG]

The week you bench Moss is the week he goes for 180/3. Oakland will not face SD and BAL every week.

I drafted Moss in the 2nd round last year... kept telling myself the same thing ^ ... all year. Basically it was a waste of a roster spot in all but a couple of games.This year, if he was still available I wouldn't have drafted him in the last round. When Randy isn't winning or getting the ball, he's pouting and will usually take himself out of the game mentally.Last year he had a decent QB who wasn't under constant pressure. Not the case this year.My advice: If you can wait until he has a decent game (at least 60/1 will be decent)... trade him fast, and don't look back.

Overreaction ahoy!Last year, this "waste of a roster spot", this guy who you wouldn't have even drafted in the last round, finished as the #15 WR in the entire league according to FBG scoring. That's one of the very best WR2s in the league. Unless you were in a 6 team, start-1 WR, no-flex league with only one bench slot, I'm going to call on this whole "waste of a roster spot" nonsense.

 

[J-Rock]

I dunno. To me it seems like Moss is legitimatly done. Sure he'll have some big game like Rice did in Oak or Emmitt did in AZ but his days of fantast stud status seem to be over. I would not have taken him in my drafts unles he fell into the 6-7 round. He's just too inconsistent and too injury prone. Plus the fact that he hasn't had a stud QB since he left MIN.

Some think the jury is still out on this... My vote is in, He was one of the greatest for a few years but his time is over. He should be in the top 25 or so for another few seasons but I would be shocked to see him in the top 10 ever again.

 

[My Hope Street Alias]

I'll be starting him over Bryant this week.

 

[3nOut]

I am starting him even though FBG Chetsheet says I should start both Edwards and Muhsin instead. I got him last year for Steven Davis (when he was hot) and kept him as my WR keeper. So if he's a bust this year at least I didn't pay much for him. And I agree that its not Moss, its how OL and QB situation, but that may be enough for me to trade him if I get value in return.

 

[TitusIII]

If he doesn't put up 100 and a score this week, trade him for what you can get. If he does, smooth sailing ahead...

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

I will be starting Moss this week and every other week that he is healthy.

 

[J-Rock]

If he doesn't put up 100 and a score this week, trade him for what you can get. If he does, smooth sailing ahead...

What makes you think it's that simple? If he has a good game this week he'll have a good game every week of the season, if not trade him for what you can get... If he poops the bed this weekend you'd be lucky to get anything for him. My advice... If he sucks this weekend bite the bullett and keep him on your bench as a bye week replacement until he proves something. If he has a solid game, trade him for what you can get for him.

 

[TitusIII]

If he doesn't put up 100 and a score this week, trade him for what you can get. If he does, smooth sailing ahead...

What makes you think it's that simple? If he has a good game this week he'll have a good game every week of the season, if not trade him for what you can get... If he poops the bed this weekend you'd be lucky to get anything for him. My advice... If he sucks this weekend bite the bullett and keep him on your bench as a bye week replacement until he proves something. If he has a solid game, trade him for what you can get for him.

I'm thinking his bad games were a product of elite defenses and terrible offensive line play. If this doesn't change in Cleveland, some guppy will still jump on the name Randy Moss. If he dominates, there is no reason to trade him, the hard part of Oakland's schedule is in the past. Not an easy call, however.

 

[CravenM]

I can't see the Raiders as being as bad for the rest of the year as they looked the first two games.

Randy is going to get 9-12 targets a game and he'll catch the ball if it's in the ballpark but the Raider OLine and RB blocking is the key to Randy's success, not his attitude nor the QB's skill. ABrooks and AWalters have great arms but they need to not be creamed after 4 steps during a 5 step drop.

Bottom line, it's all on Art Shell to protect the QB by any means possible.

 

[SSOG]

I dunno. To me it seems like Moss is legitimatly done. Sure he'll have some big game like Rice did in Oak or Emmitt did in AZ but his days of fantast stud status seem to be over. I would not have taken him in my drafts unles he fell into the 6-7 round. He's just too inconsistent and too injury prone. Plus the fact that he hasn't had a stud QB since he left MIN.Some think the jury is still out on this... My vote is in, He was one of the greatest for a few years but his time is over. He should be in the top 25 or so for another few seasons but I would be shocked to see him in the top 10 ever again.

Top-25 is still starter caliber, even in start-2 WR leagues with no flex.

 

[HULLOBUDMAN]

I have been struggling with Moss being a buy low candidate today. He obviously has the talent. He is going to get the looks. The problem is O-Line and QB. It's not like he can throw the ball to him self (although I think I did see Brad Johnson throw himself a TD pass once).

My thoughts here are that he is at the lowest non-injury value of his carreer, get him while you can.

 

[comfortably numb]

I am trying hard to get Moss as he may be once again "untouchable" after the next few weeks, if he puts up good numbers (like I think he will).

 

[jurb26]

You should be buying Moss now if at all possible. Thats what I say.

 

[ChromeWeasel]

I remember Cris Carter had a weak first 6 weeks of the season in 1999. It seemed like he wasnt going to live up to his draft posistion and was too old. They couldnt get him the ball, etc... Then in week7 he went off with 4/5 100+yard games with at least 1 TD. It was sick.

I remember saying "why didnt I trade for that guy when his value was so low? I could have had him for a song. A guy that talented is going to put up numbers eventually."

Stats here: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/game...rtCr00.htm#2000

The whole Randy Moss thing seems very familiar to me. If he isnt hurt, he's going to put up his numbers. I'd be trying to trade FOR him at a bargain price at this point.

 

[pigskinliquors]

I'm starting him over D. Rhodes in the Flex. His upside can carry you to a win, while many others (those people are contemplating starting over him) usually won't.

 

[monkeysee]

:stickaforkinhim:

 

[J-Rock]

I dunno. To me it seems like Moss is legitimatly done. Sure he'll have some big game like Rice did in Oak or Emmitt did in AZ but his days of fantast stud status seem to be over. I would not have taken him in my drafts unles he fell into the 6-7 round. He's just too inconsistent and too injury prone. Plus the fact that he hasn't had a stud QB since he left MIN.Some think the jury is still out on this... My vote is in, He was one of the greatest for a few years but his time is over. He should be in the top 25 or so for another few seasons but I would be shocked to see him in the top 10 ever again.

Top-25 is still starter caliber, even in start-2 WR leagues with no flex.

The problem with Moss is the inconsistency. He'll be in the top 25 because he'll have a few big games and poop the bed a lot of the time. There is nothing more frustrating for a Fantasy owner than this kind of production. All I'm saying is I'd rather have a guy put up 12pts/ gm consistently than a guy who puts up 25 one week and 3 the next.Also I don't ever see him returning to his former greatness, I don't think this is a slump. The guy is almost 30, he's made his money and built his rep. I think he's playing with 1/2 the desire and motivation now than he was a few years ago.

 

[kellumsboys]

I won't start him again til oakland gets a QB or every other WR on my team gets hurt.

sure glad I kept Boldin over Moss in my keeper league.

 

[chasyone]

He's on my bench behind Wayne, Driver, and Glenn until he shows something...

I agree. He is on my bench behind Colston, D Jax, and J. Walker. Im benching him this week to see if that offense comes alive against the brownies.

 

[jurb26]

All I'm saying is I'd rather have a guy put up 12pts/ gm consistently than a guy who puts up 25 one week and 3 the next.

These people do not exhist. Maybe 1% of the WRs in the NFL are consistent from game to game. Probably not even that. The only ones who are consistent, don't play.

 

[SSOG]

I dunno. To me it seems like Moss is legitimatly done. Sure he'll have some big game like Rice did in Oak or Emmitt did in AZ but his days of fantast stud status seem to be over. I would not have taken him in my drafts unles he fell into the 6-7 round. He's just too inconsistent and too injury prone. Plus the fact that he hasn't had a stud QB since he left MIN.

Some think the jury is still out on this... My vote is in, He was one of the greatest for a few years but his time is over. He should be in the top 25 or so for another few seasons but I would be shocked to see him in the top 10 ever again.

Top-25 is still starter caliber, even in start-2 WR leagues with no flex.

The problem with Moss is the inconsistency. He'll be in the top 25 because he'll have a few big games and poop the bed a lot of the time. There is nothing more frustrating for a Fantasy owner than this kind of production. All I'm saying is I'd rather have a guy put up 12pts/ gm consistently than a guy who puts up 25 one week and 3 the next.

Also I don't ever see him returning to his former greatness, I don't think this is a slump. The guy is almost 30, he's made his money and built his rep. I think he's playing with 1/2 the desire and motivation now than he was a few years ago.

This whole consistancy thing is sort of a fallacy. Outside of the top 5, there really aren't any consistant WRs.Here is a list of last year's top WRs. Try to find me one single WR ranked between 11th and 25th who was "consistant". The reason these guys aren't as "consistant" is because they have fewer total points (so it's harder to spread them all around evenly). The same phenomenon happens with RBs- the top 5 or so RBs are remarkably consistant, and then after that it all tails off until you get to about the #20 ranked RB, who is all over the map.

Besides, personally, for my WR2 or WR3, I'd much rather start a guy who could single-handedly win me the game than a guy who was probably a lock for 6 points.

 

[PahtyTom]

All I'm saying is I'd rather have a guy put up 12pts/ gm consistently than a guy who puts up 25 one week and 3 the next.

These people do not exhist. Maybe 1% of the WRs in the NFL are consistent from game to game. Probably not even that. The only ones who are consistent, don't play.

I'd rather have a WR who puts up 25 one week and 3 the next, rather than 12 every week. But that's just me.

 

[hwjchim]

Start 3 wr's

Got ..Moss, Driver, Roy Williams, Holt.

Hm, I have been starting Moss, Driver and Holt....up until last week on moss's bye..

But now I'm tempted to just keep him on the bench..But then again..he's Randy Moss.

I mite just start him > Roy Williams...again..75/25 right now sitll

 

[tommyGunZ]

You should be buying Moss now if at all possible. Thats what I say.

listen to jurb - this is your last chance to steal Mr. Moss at WR3 prices....

 

[Routilla]

You should be buying Moss now if at all possible. Thats what I say.

listen to jurb - this is your last chance to steal Mr. Moss at WR3 prices....

Traded J Lewis for Moss straight up. Only time will tell if it was the right call. But I don't think OAK has to play SD and BAL every week so I thought it was a good roll of the dice. Lewis just doesn't inspire me anymore. Plus I need reason to play either Maroney or Addai and Lewis will always make me want to bench them. Not anymore.

 

[LivinNsc]

I was offered Randy Mos this week... he wants Hines Ward from me... Granted Hines and Pit is not looking spectaular but I feel more confident that Hines will return to his typical numbers MORE SO than Randy...

 

[Down Under]

Probably benching Moss for B. Edwards in 2 leagues this week, mostly because I am very unsure of Walter. Would not trade him though for less than a stud (which isn't going to happen at this point), and I expect him to help me a lot the rest of the season....starting with next week vs. SF.

 

[KevT]

I am trying hard to get Moss as he may be once again "untouchable" after the next few weeks, if he puts up good numbers (like I think he will).

I'm sure there are a lot of Moss owners like myself, who deem him as "untouchable" right now.... at the value we could get for him right now. I still expect him to have a great season, top 3 still. Two stellar defenses stopped the Raiders, I'll start to panic if the Raiders can't do anything offensively in the next 2 weeks. Moss will then go to my bench, and probably stay there unless I need him for a bye.

 

[djjosee]

I am trying hard to get Moss as he may be once again "untouchable" after the next few weeks, if he puts up good numbers (like I think he will).

I'm sure there are a lot of Moss owners like myself, who deem him as "untouchable" right now.... at the value we could get for him right now. I still expect him to have a great season, top 3 still. Two stellar defenses stopped the Raiders, I'll start to panic if the Raiders can't do anything offensively in the next 2 weeks. Moss will then go to my bench, and probably stay there unless I need him for a bye.

I completely agree with you (re the next two weeks) otherwise Evan will take his place.

 

[djjosee]

I am trying hard to get Moss as he may be once again "untouchable" after the next few weeks, if he puts up good numbers (like I think he will).

I'm sure there are a lot of Moss owners like myself, who deem him as "untouchable" right now.... at the value we could get for him right now. I still expect him to have a great season, top 3 still. Two stellar defenses stopped the Raiders, I'll start to panic if the Raiders can't do anything offensively in the next 2 weeks. Moss will then go to my bench, and probably stay there unless I need him for a bye.

I completely agree with you (re the next two weeks) otherwise Evan will take his place.

Strike one!