Bears are easily the tops on this list. If I'm not mistaken.....Cutler's QB rating as a Bear, which is around 80 right now, is tops in franchise history.1- Lions
2- Browns
3- Bears
4- Bucs
Cards had Hart in the 70s and some good years from Plummer and Boomer (not sure they had any Pro-Bowls)
Atl was pretty poor outside of Bartowski and then Chandler in the late 90s
Jets were Ok with Todd and O'Brian after Namath and a few good years from Boomer
Link for full lists
Herd was talking today and he was bringing up some names from the past. Just brutal for Bear fans.Bears are easily the tops on this list. If I'm not mistaken.....Cutler's QB rating as a Bear, which is around 80 right now, is tops in franchise history.1- Lions
2- Browns
3- Bears
4- Bucs
Cards had Hart in the 70s and some good years from Plummer and Boomer (not sure they had any Pro-Bowls)
Atl was pretty poor outside of Bartowski and then Chandler in the late 90s
Jets were Ok with Todd and O'Brian after Namath and a few good years from Boomer
Link for full lists
No. Bear's had Jim McMahon, who won a SB. Lions? I can't recall one good Lion QB. Browns had Bernie Kosar, Vinny Testaverde, Brian Sipe. Not great but those three were at least average.Lions???? Jon Kitna is probably the best they have had. Joey Harrington (ugg). Charlie Batch? Didn't they trade some high picks and pay a ton of money for Scott Mitchell??? Rodney Pete. You have to go back to mid 70s when they had Greg Landry to find an average QB.Bears are easily the tops on this list. If I'm not mistaken.....Cutler's QB rating as a Bear, which is around 80 right now, is tops in franchise history.1- Lions
2- Browns
3- Bears
4- Bucs
Cards had Hart in the 70s and some good years from Plummer and Boomer (not sure they had any Pro-Bowls)
Atl was pretty poor outside of Bartowski and then Chandler in the late 90s
Jets were Ok with Todd and O'Brian after Namath and a few good years from Boomer
Link for full lists
I don't think Cincy is among the worst. Ken Anderson has been a Hall of Fame finalist; there are plenty of teams who have not had even one of those. And Boomer Esiason had some good years for them too.Cincy has to be on the list. David Klingler and Akili smith
I don't give a damn what Jim McMahon did. He sucked.He never played 16 in a season and only had one season where his QB rating was over 90. That season over 90... a whopping 8 TD passes in 9 games played.No. Bear's had Jim McMahon, who won a SB. Lions? I can't recall one good Lion QB. Browns had Bernie Kosar, Vinny Testaverde, Brian Sipe. Not great but those three were at least average.Lions???? Jon Kitna is probably the best they have had. Joey Harrington (ugg). Charlie Batch? Didn't they trade some high picks and pay a ton of money for Scott Mitchell??? Rodney Pete. You have to go back to mid 70s when they had Greg Landry to find an average QB.Bears are easily the tops on this list. If I'm not mistaken.....Cutler's QB rating as a Bear, which is around 80 right now, is tops in franchise history.1- Lions
2- Browns
3- Bears
4- Bucs
Cards had Hart in the 70s and some good years from Plummer and Boomer (not sure they had any Pro-Bowls)
Atl was pretty poor outside of Bartowski and then Chandler in the late 90s
Jets were Ok with Todd and O'Brian after Namath and a few good years from Boomer
Link for full lists
I don't give a damn what Jim McMahon did. He sucked.He never played 16 in a season and only had one season where his QB rating was over 90. That season over 90... a whopping 8 TD passes in 9 games played.No. Bear's had Jim McMahon, who won a SB. Lions? I can't recall one good Lion QB. Browns had Bernie Kosar, Vinny Testaverde, Brian Sipe. Not great but those three were at least average.Lions???? Jon Kitna is probably the best they have had. Joey Harrington (ugg). Charlie Batch? Didn't they trade some high picks and pay a ton of money for Scott Mitchell??? Rodney Pete. You have to go back to mid 70s when they had Greg Landry to find an average QB.Bears are easily the tops on this list. If I'm not mistaken.....Cutler's QB rating as a Bear, which is around 80 right now, is tops in franchise history.1- Lions
2- Browns
3- Bears
4- Bucs
Cards had Hart in the 70s and some good years from Plummer and Boomer (not sure they had any Pro-Bowls)
Atl was pretty poor outside of Bartowski and then Chandler in the late 90s
Jets were Ok with Todd and O'Brian after Namath and a few good years from Boomer
Link for full lists
I believe he was the last Pro Bowl QB for them, 1971?Lions???? Jon Kitna is probably the best they have had. Joey Harrington (ugg). Charlie Batch? Didn't they trade some high picks and pay a ton of money for Scott Mitchell??? Rodney Pete. You have to go back to mid 70s when they had Greg Landry to find an average QB.
Carson Palmer also had a couple of really good years.Don Quixote said:I don't think Cincy is among the worst. Ken Anderson has been a Hall of Fame finalist; there are plenty of teams who have not had even one of those. And Boomer Esiason had some good years for them too.omahabrad said:Cincy has to be on the list. David Klingler and Akili smith
Cardinals can't compete with the Lions and Bears on this list. Hart, Lomax, Plummer, and a couple years of Warner blows away those teams.Fensalk said:Looking at a list that includes the Lions, Browns, Cardinals, Bears (maybe the Buccaneers but they haven't been around for all 45) and the Jets.
Not sure if you watched him but he didn't suck. As a Vikings fan, I watched him beat us plenty. He had what Cutler lacks: balls, which equals leadership. The guy was a warrior and knew how to win big games. You need to get over QB rating--it's an artificial measure.Limp Ditka said:I don't give a damn what Jim McMahon did. He sucked.He never played 16 in a season and only had one season where his QB rating was over 90. That season over 90... a whopping 8 TD passes in 9 games played.az_prof said:No. Bear's had Jim McMahon, who won a SB. Lions? I can't recall one good Lion QB. Browns had Bernie Kosar, Vinny Testaverde, Brian Sipe. Not great but those three were at least average.Lions???? Jon Kitna is probably the best they have had. Joey Harrington (ugg). Charlie Batch? Didn't they trade some high picks and pay a ton of money for Scott Mitchell??? Rodney Pete. You have to go back to mid 70s when they had Greg Landry to find an average QB.Limp Ditka said:Bears are easily the tops on this list. If I'm not mistaken.....Cutler's QB rating as a Bear, which is around 80 right now, is tops in franchise history.Zoomanji said:1- Lions
2- Browns
3- Bears
4- Bucs
Cards had Hart in the 70s and some good years from Plummer and Boomer (not sure they had any Pro-Bowls)
Atl was pretty poor outside of Bartowski and then Chandler in the late 90s
Jets were Ok with Todd and O'Brian after Namath and a few good years from Boomer
Link for full lists
Exactly. We are seeking "utter futility", not "hot and cold".Cardinals can't compete with the Lions and Bears on this list. Hart, Lomax, Plummer, and a couple years of Warner blows away those teams.Fensalk said:Looking at a list that includes the Lions, Browns, Cardinals, Bears (maybe the Buccaneers but they haven't been around for all 45) and the Jets.
Beating Minnesota between 1982 and 1988, McMahon's Bears years, was no great feat. Those teams were mediocre at best.Also, Jim McMahon was 3-3 in the post season, and never won a post season game outside of the 1985 season. Is that an artificial measure? So much for those big game wins, uh?Not sure if you watched him but he didn't suck. As a Vikings fan, I watched him beat us plenty. He had what Cutler lacks: balls, which equals leadership. The guy was a warrior and knew how to win big games. You need to get over QB rating--it's an artificial measure.Limp Ditka said:I don't give a damn what Jim McMahon did. He sucked.He never played 16 in a season and only had one season where his QB rating was over 90. That season over 90... a whopping 8 TD passes in 9 games played.az_prof said:No. Bear's had Jim McMahon, who won a SB. Lions? I can't recall one good Lion QB. Browns had Bernie Kosar, Vinny Testaverde, Brian Sipe. Not great but those three were at least average.Lions???? Jon Kitna is probably the best they have had. Joey Harrington (ugg). Charlie Batch? Didn't they trade some high picks and pay a ton of money for Scott Mitchell??? Rodney Pete. You have to go back to mid 70s when they had Greg Landry to find an average QB.Limp Ditka said:Bears are easily the tops on this list. If I'm not mistaken.....Cutler's QB rating as a Bear, which is around 80 right now, is tops in franchise history.Zoomanji said:1- Lions
2- Browns
3- Bears
4- Bucs
Cards had Hart in the 70s and some good years from Plummer and Boomer (not sure they had any Pro-Bowls)
Atl was pretty poor outside of Bartowski and then Chandler in the late 90s
Jets were Ok with Todd and O'Brian after Namath and a few good years from Boomer
Link for full lists
Hipple, Peete, Long, and Kramer had some good seasons between them as I recall. Herman Moore and some other dude I forget were always high fantasy picks back in that era.az_prof said:No. Bear's had Jim McMahon, who won a SB. Lions? I can't recall one good Lion QB. Browns had Bernie Kosar, Vinny Testaverde, Brian Sipe. Not great but those three were at least average.Lions???? Jon Kitna is probably the best they have had. Joey Harrington (ugg). Charlie Batch? Didn't they trade some high picks and pay a ton of money for Scott Mitchell??? Rodney Pete. You have to go back to mid 70s when they had Greg Landry to find an average QB.Limp Ditka said:Bears are easily the tops on this list. If I'm not mistaken.....Cutler's QB rating as a Bear, which is around 80 right now, is tops in franchise history.Zoomanji said:1- Lions
2- Browns
3- Bears
4- Bucs
Cards had Hart in the 70s and some good years from Plummer and Boomer (not sure they had any Pro-Bowls)
Atl was pretty poor outside of Bartowski and then Chandler in the late 90s
Jets were Ok with Todd and O'Brian after Namath and a few good years from Boomer
Link for full lists
Exactly. We've been Boom or Bust at QB. 45 years is a ridiculously long time though. I mean Joe Namath is eligible here Who's had the least PRO-Bowl QBs in that time?-QGDon Quixote said:I don't think Cincy is among the worst. Ken Anderson has been a Hall of Fame finalist; there are plenty of teams who have not had even one of those. And Boomer Esiason had some good years for them too.omahabrad said:Cincy has to be on the list. David Klingler and Akili smith
I'm as big of a Bears fan as anyone and I'm bashing the Bears QB lineage as much as anyone. It's not hate, it's reality.Yes, we get it, more thinly veiled Bears hate. The NFL should do everyone a favor and pull them out of the playoffs and put a better team in. The Bears don't deserve to be playing. Goodell should probably revoke their status as a franchise and ban Cutler from the NFL. Blah blah blah..
Not at all. If the Bears had a Jay Cutler caliber QB for even 10 of the last 45 years, they wouldn't be close to making this list. But the fact that he's had one terrible season and one pretty good one and he's already in the conversation (probably the lead) as their best QB of the last 45 years means that they've had some really poor QB play in their recent history.Which Bear QBs do you think were good enough to warrant excluding them from this discussion?Yes, we get it, more thinly veiled Bears hate. The NFL should do everyone a favor and pull them out of the playoffs and put a better team in. The Bears don't deserve to be playing. Goodell should probably revoke their status as a franchise and ban Cutler from the NFL. Blah blah blah..
And the sadder thing as either a Beras fan or Lions fan is that they had a 30 year head start on most of the other teams in the single digits And McMahon, while a good leader was hardly a great QB. As a Bears fan, it's us and the Lions...and no one else is really that close. Well at least Cutler is going to "lead the way" out of the darkness of QB gehennaPro Bowl QB's since 1966:1 Chicago: McMahon1 Detroit: Landry1 Baltimore: Testaverde [since 1996]1 Houston: Schaub [since 2002]3 Carolina: Collina, Beuerlein, Delhomme [since 1995]3 Tampa: Garcia, B.Johnson, Dilfer [since 1976]4 Jacksonville: Brunell(3), Garrard [since 1995]5 Cleveland: Ryan, Nelson, Sipe, Kosar, Anderson [Minus 1996-98]6 New Orleans: Brees(4), Manning(2) [since 1967]6 Pittsburgh: Bradshaw(3), O'Donnell, Stewart, Roethlisberger7 Arizona: Hart(4), Lomax(2), Warner7 Seattle: Hasselback(3), Kreig(3), Moon [since 1976]8 Giants: Tarkenton(4), Simms(2), Snead, Manning9 Buffalo: Kelly(5), Kemp(2), Flutie, Bledsoe9 Jets: Namath(4), O'Brien(2), Testaverde, Essiason, Favre10 Cincinnati [since 1968]11 Atlanta11 Washington11 New England12 Green Bay12 St. Louis12 Denver12 Kansas City13 Minnesota13 Philadelphia13 San Diego13 Tennessee15 Oakland16 Indianapolis17 Miami18 San Francisco19 DallasSo if you just base it on pro bowl selections then Chicago and Detroit are the worst.
The fact that we're "making" this list is what constitutes the thinly veiled Bears hate.Not at all. If the Bears had a Jay Cutler caliber QB for even 10 of the last 45 years, they wouldn't be close to making this list. But the fact that he's had one terrible season and one pretty good one and he's already in the conversation (probably the lead) as their best QB of the last 45 years means that they've had some really poor QB play in their recent history.Which Bear QBs do you think were good enough to warrant excluding them from this discussion?Yes, we get it, more thinly veiled Bears hate. The NFL should do everyone a favor and pull them out of the playoffs and put a better team in. The Bears don't deserve to be playing. Goodell should probably revoke their status as a franchise and ban Cutler from the NFL. Blah blah blah..
Jim McMahon is the original Mark Sanchez.I don't give a damn what Jim McMahon did. He sucked.He never played 16 in a season and only had one season where his QB rating was over 90. That season over 90... a whopping 8 TD passes in 9 games played.No. Bear's had Jim McMahon, who won a SB. Lions? I can't recall one good Lion QB. Browns had Bernie Kosar, Vinny Testaverde, Brian Sipe. Not great but those three were at least average.Lions???? Jon Kitna is probably the best they have had. Joey Harrington (ugg). Charlie Batch? Didn't they trade some high picks and pay a ton of money for Scott Mitchell??? Rodney Pete. You have to go back to mid 70s when they had Greg Landry to find an average QB.Bears are easily the tops on this list. If I'm not mistaken.....Cutler's QB rating as a Bear, which is around 80 right now, is tops in franchise history.1- Lions
2- Browns
3- Bears
4- Bucs
Cards had Hart in the 70s and some good years from Plummer and Boomer (not sure they had any Pro-Bowls)
Atl was pretty poor outside of Bartowski and then Chandler in the late 90s
Jets were Ok with Todd and O'Brian after Namath and a few good years from Boomer
Link for full lists
I'd say, for both the Bears and Lions, 1995 was their best QB season in the SBE. Kramer and Mitchell were equally fantastic, although Mitchell had a bit more to work with. Landry was a monster in '71 leading the league in yards per completion and finishing among the league leaders in every efficiency category. He had a couple more good years, as did McMahon, and that's about it. Still, I think the future somehow looks bright for the next decade for both teams w/r/t QB play.No. Bear's had Jim McMahon, who won a SB. Lions? I can't recall one good Lion QB. Browns had Bernie Kosar, Vinny Testaverde, Brian Sipe. Not great but those three were at least average.Lions???? Jon Kitna is probably the best they have had. Joey Harrington (ugg). Charlie Batch? Didn't they trade some high picks and pay a ton of money for Scott Mitchell??? Rodney Pete. You have to go back to mid 70s when they had Greg Landry to find an average QB.Bears are easily the tops on this list. If I'm not mistaken.....Cutler's QB rating as a Bear, which is around 80 right now, is tops in franchise history.1- Lions
2- Browns
3- Bears
4- Bucs
Cards had Hart in the 70s and some good years from Plummer and Boomer (not sure they had any Pro-Bowls)
Atl was pretty poor outside of Bartowski and then Chandler in the late 90s
Jets were Ok with Todd and O'Brian after Namath and a few good years from Boomer
Link for full lists
no picks. just signed as a FA for 25 million for 5 years.No. Bear's had Jim McMahon, who won a SB. Lions? I can't recall one good Lion QB. Browns had Bernie Kosar, Vinny Testaverde, Brian Sipe. Not great but those three were at least average.Lions???? Jon Kitna is probably the best they have had. Joey Harrington (ugg). Charlie Batch? Didn't they trade some high picks and pay a ton of money for Scott Mitchell??? Rodney Pete. You have to go back to mid 70s when they had Greg Landry to find an average QB.Bears are easily the tops on this list. If I'm not mistaken.....Cutler's QB rating as a Bear, which is around 80 right now, is tops in franchise history.1- Lions
2- Browns
3- Bears
4- Bucs
Cards had Hart in the 70s and some good years from Plummer and Boomer (not sure they had any Pro-Bowls)
Atl was pretty poor outside of Bartowski and then Chandler in the late 90s
Jets were Ok with Todd and O'Brian after Namath and a few good years from Boomer
Link for full lists
you'll win a lot of bar bets by asking what qb threw for 4300 yards and had 2 receivers eclipse the 100 catch mark in the same season in the 90's.I'd say, for both the Bears and Lions, 1995 was their best QB season in the SBE. Kramer and Mitchell were equally fantastic, although Mitchell had a bit more to work with. Landry was a monster in '71 leading the league in yards per completion and finishing among the league leaders in every efficiency category. He had a couple more good years, as did McMahon, and that's about it. Still, I think the future somehow looks bright for the next decade for both teams w/r/t QB play.No. Bear's had Jim McMahon, who won a SB. Lions? I can't recall one good Lion QB. Browns had Bernie Kosar, Vinny Testaverde, Brian Sipe. Not great but those three were at least average.Lions???? Jon Kitna is probably the best they have had. Joey Harrington (ugg). Charlie Batch? Didn't they trade some high picks and pay a ton of money for Scott Mitchell??? Rodney Pete. You have to go back to mid 70s when they had Greg Landry to find an average QB.Bears are easily the tops on this list. If I'm not mistaken.....Cutler's QB rating as a Bear, which is around 80 right now, is tops in franchise history.1- Lions
2- Browns
3- Bears
4- Bucs
Cards had Hart in the 70s and some good years from Plummer and Boomer (not sure they had any Pro-Bowls)
Atl was pretty poor outside of Bartowski and then Chandler in the late 90s
Jets were Ok with Todd and O'Brian after Namath and a few good years from Boomer
Link for full lists
How is that even possible with a SB winning QB? And when the Lie-downs have 0 playoff wins in since....well forever IMO.Same qualifications go into account for the best QB scenerios, its judge by SB wins, u can't be the worst if u have a SB.Last Probowl QB in Detroit was 1972, and in Chicago was 1985, that is another pretty obvious tiebreaker.This is not really even a debate, unless its someone who fully don't understand the question.This is another futile topic that the Lions win.Bears win this hands down.
you'll win a lot of bar bets by asking what qb threw for 4300 yards and had 2 receivers eclipse the 100 catch mark in the same season in the 90's.
I bet I know the answer to that without looking it up.... (Not sure if anyone else did it that decade though)QB Scott MitchellWR Brett Perriman and WR Herman Moore1995 DETyou'll win a lot of bar bets by asking what qb threw for 4300 yards and had 2 receivers eclipse the 100 catch mark in the same season in the 90's.