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Rank the RBs going forward (1 Viewer)
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Banger
Footballguy
Mine would probably be something like...
Gurley
Freeman
Peterson
Ingram
Martin
Miller
Ivory
McCoy
Hill
Hillman
Lynch, Williams, LMurray right in the mix with Hill/Hillman...tie breaker was TD opportunities.
Man, looking at that list is disgusting with respect to where they were drafted and this is the midpoint of the year.
Gurley
Freeman
Peterson
Ingram
Martin
Miller
Ivory
McCoy
Hill
Hillman
Lynch, Williams, LMurray right in the mix with Hill/Hillman...tie breaker was TD opportunities.
Man, looking at that list is disgusting with respect to where they were drafted and this is the midpoint of the year.
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Shutout
Footballguy
I think you can say Gurley by a wide margin and then jumble 5-6 guys in any order and its not a big deal.
My picks for guys that should be expected to come on and probably will" Shady/Lacy/Peterson.
My picks for guys that have come to be true difference makers and will likely continue. L. Murray/D.Lewis/M. Ingram.
My "where did he come from in about a month: Jay Ajayi.
My "oops..we forgot about him too soon"
eMarco Murray.
My"most likely to disaapoint at the end": Freeman.
I noticed no one mention C. West. I agree, he is hard to figure.
My picks for guys that should be expected to come on and probably will" Shady/Lacy/Peterson.
My picks for guys that have come to be true difference makers and will likely continue. L. Murray/D.Lewis/M. Ingram.
My "where did he come from in about a month: Jay Ajayi.
My "oops..we forgot about him too soon"
eMarco Murray.My"most likely to disaapoint at the end": Freeman.
I noticed no one mention C. West. I agree, he is hard to figure.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Looks like most of these lists are off the top of the head and not based on data.
Doug Martin is on pace for 1400 rushing yards, Stewart 1150, Woodhead 1250 YFS, and D-Will (presuming he stays healthy) should be everyone's ROS list.
But at the top I think it's Gurley and then a gap to the next tier. Guy is the complete package as a runner and has the perfect coach to keep on beasting.
Doug Martin is on pace for 1400 rushing yards, Stewart 1150, Woodhead 1250 YFS, and D-Will (presuming he stays healthy) should be everyone's ROS list.
But at the top I think it's Gurley and then a gap to the next tier. Guy is the complete package as a runner and has the perfect coach to keep on beasting.
Mr. Irrelevant
IBL Representative
Strictly on a ROS basis and assuming standard scoring, here's how I'd rank them. Every week counts this time of year, so guys who've already had their byes* get a bump.
Gurley*
Miller*
ADP*
L. Murray*
Freeman
Martin*
Ingram
Lynch
Ivory*
Lacy*
C. West
D. Williams
My one "don't feel good about it" omission is Lewis, but I've learned not to trust the Hoodie when it comes to RB usage. PPR I think you have to find room for both him and Woodhead in which case I'd drop Ivory and West out of the top 12.
I'm kinda surprised I'm the only one with Charcnado on my top 12. Fat Man has a long history of feeding his RB1s.
Gurley*
Miller*
ADP*
L. Murray*
Freeman
Martin*
Ingram
Lynch
Ivory*
Lacy*
C. West
D. Williams
My one "don't feel good about it" omission is Lewis, but I've learned not to trust the Hoodie when it comes to RB usage. PPR I think you have to find room for both him and Woodhead in which case I'd drop Ivory and West out of the top 12.
I'm kinda surprised I'm the only one with Charcnado on my top 12. Fat Man has a long history of feeding his RB1s.
simey
Footballguy
I think West could be top 12 the rest of the way, and McFadden too if he stays healthy.
Kitrick Taylor
Footballguy
I'd say ROS:
Tier 1:
Gurley
Freeman
Tier 2:
Ingram
Lewis
ADP
Tier 3:
Ivory
Miller
West
Martin
Lynch
L. Murray
D. Murray
Forsett
D. Williams
Woodhead has been very hit or miss in non-ppr. I think Shady is on the precipice of a large value slide. Just don't think he can stay healthy anymore.
Tier 1:
Gurley
Freeman
Tier 2:
Ingram
Lewis
ADP
Tier 3:
Ivory
Miller
West
Martin
Lynch
L. Murray
D. Murray
Forsett
D. Williams
Woodhead has been very hit or miss in non-ppr. I think Shady is on the precipice of a large value slide. Just don't think he can stay healthy anymore.
mikel0254
Footballguy
Tier 1:
Gurley
Tier 2:
Freeman
AP
Tier 3:
Miller
Lynch
Martin
Ingram
McCoy
Tier 4/Rest:
Ivory
Hill
West
D Murray
L Murray
Going through this makes me realize how much I want good WR's. Outside of Gurley, Freeman, and AP you can make an argument for each the top 20 RB's to finish right behind them.
I'll also say I wouldn't be surprised if Gordon makes some noise in the 2nd half of the year.
Gurley
Tier 2:
Freeman
AP
Tier 3:
Miller
Lynch
Martin
Ingram
McCoy
Tier 4/Rest:
Ivory
Hill
West
D Murray
L Murray
Going through this makes me realize how much I want good WR's. Outside of Gurley, Freeman, and AP you can make an argument for each the top 20 RB's to finish right behind them.
I'll also say I wouldn't be surprised if Gordon makes some noise in the 2nd half of the year.
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While I agree, I think Woodhead is a serious regression candidate. Same with Freeman. I'm not going to try to predict injury so these are all assuming health:
1. Gurley - would be crazy to omit him, but that offense is still not good
2. Ingram - he lost his vulture, so he could arguably move to the top due to scoring opps
3. Ivory - gotta get his quad healed up and he'll continue to beast, getting some targets
4. Peterson - that offense is starting to move
5. Lynch - looks healthy, should be strong after his bye
6. Martin - touching the ball 20 times a game and looking good in this scheme
7. DeAngelo - has always been very, very good
8. Stewart - team looks legit, getting goal line carries
9. Freeman - serious regression candidate, could see him falling off
10. Lewis - totally depends on targets, could see him falling off, too
Notes:
-Charcandrick West has a very solid chance of being top 10 ROS
-Hill and Bernard are back to splitting snaps 50/50
-Miller still looking flaky after 2 uncharacteristic games, offense in flux
-Forsett could slowly accrue enough points to sneak in
-Lacy... something is wrong with him
-McCoy doesn't look that good, but could stack up enough carries to get in
-Mathews would be in there if Murray gets benched
-Hyde needs to heal that stress fracture and now saddled with Gabbert at QB
-If a Denver RB emerges, they'll belong in there
-Woodhead won't keep it up
-L.Murray is mediocre
-Forte is close to done and now injured
The more I think about it, the more I should've not put Lewis on the list. In 0ppr, he is RB10 avg ppg. I expect him to slip a bit. That pace... it can't continue. So he'll need more carries to offset the regression in targets. Not sure that happens.
jumper
Footballguy
Could we expand the topic to include WR rankings also? I think they're just as jumbled this year as RBs, for example I think you could easily make the case for A-Rob being in top 10 instead of Megatron or Cobb. And where do you put the injury question mark guys like Keenan Allen and Dez?
Banger
Footballguy
definitely over Cobb...he's miscast...can't be double teams. I see no reason A-Rob's production will change...
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
So basically you think the season long trend won't last in PPR. You may be right.
Other than Lewis (who is kind of a special player in my mind), people have been slow to pick up on the other pass catching backs. It's easy to see why: Theo Riddick, Chris Thompson (now inj), Danny Woodhead, Lance Dunbar (before he got hurt), Duke Johnson - these guys don't get many carries. Spiller plays 20 snaps a game.
Here are some guys who might be RB2 YTD but in line for a regression (keeping in mind my league is full PPR, and has small but weird outlier scoring rules for long plays, milestone bonus & return yards)
RB5 Lewis - cold weather = more Blount games?
RB12 Woodhead - Gordon's role expansion may mean decreased role
RB15 Karlos Williams - McCoy will eat into this if both are healthy, right?
RB28 Riddick - personally I want 0% of the Lions offense, have already moved AA and Tate
RB30 Duke Johnson - not much of a runner but high floor in PPR
RB31 David Johnson - fluky ranking (TD heavy) BUT intriguing; might be productive late in the year
RB33 Vereen - wild fluctuations week to week, 4 headed RBBC
RB37 Thompson - what his health status?
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Damn, 13 posts before someone even mentions Stewart?
-3 straight games of 20+ touches.
-Clearly the lead back; no committee to be found though Newton/Tolbert do scavenge a couple.
-Great schedule over the next 5 weeks.
-Tough playoff schedule with the Falcons twice but the Giants are squeezed in there.
-3 straight games of 20+ touches.
-Clearly the lead back; no committee to be found though Newton/Tolbert do scavenge a couple.
-Great schedule over the next 5 weeks.
-Tough playoff schedule with the Falcons twice but the Giants are squeezed in there.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
We could have a second thread?
mikel0254
Footballguy
7 straight seasons of not finishing top 10 is probably the reason. I know things have changed (Deangelo gone being the biggest), but tough to see him lasting the year at this pace w/o missing games.
Kitrick Taylor
Footballguy
I think the feeling is Stewart and CJ aren't trusted to stay healthy, and there are legitimate vulture concerns for both.
mikel0254
Footballguy
Todem
Footballguy
Injury history?
I don't think so. I don't want to jinx him...but the guy has been extremely reliable health wise his entire career.
Stewart we know is a glass chandelier.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
No one mentioning DMC.
mikel0254
Footballguy
He just had two fumbles lost and has two very talented guys behind him. I could see him getting surpassed at any moment.
Season long? He's got 6 games worth of stats. That's not a huge sample size. I was looking at it from a 0ppr standpoint since that's my preference and the OP didn't specify. Basically, I think Lewis a regression candidate for several reasons:
1) He's getting 7.5 targets per game - that's a lot
2) He's averaging 11 ypr - really, really high for a RB
3) He's scored 4 TDs in 6 games - not likely a sustainable pace
Now I'm not saying all three of those things are going to regress, but I think it is likely at least two of them do. And seeing as he is RB10 on a ppg basis in 0ppr, he can't afford any regression to keep his spot. So I now have regret for putting him in my list, but I'm too lazy to edit it. I think I would like to replace him with C.West - he has gotten 108 out of 120 snaps the last two weeks.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
If he can stay healthy, when Romo returns (should be 11/22), he can easily be a top 10 back (maybe top 5 PPR).
The health is the only question mark here. He has clearly earned the trust of Dallas to be an every down back.
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fightingillini
Footballguy
Not sure why you think Freeman would be RB9 going forward. Guy is getting 20+ carries and 3-6 receptions. Sure he can't keep up the TD pace, but his floor is high and his ceiling is through the roof.
He had a mediocre game against TB and still put up 18 points in a PPR without scoring a TD.
He's easily in the top tier with Gurley and AP.
Ted Mullins
Footballguy
This jumped out at me too, although probably because I have him. Assuming health (huge assumption) it seems like his workload makes him instant top 15 or so, likely much better if the offense can get going with Romo.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Christine Michael
Gurley
Gurley
DoubleG
Footballguy
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
OK.shadyridr said:
Who cried when Ole Yeller got shot and when they see Martin & Lewis paired together like that who goes all Pulp Fiction five dollar shake where they automatically hear Steve Buscemi as Buddy Holly asking 'Amos & Andy or Martin & Lewis'?
Jayded
Footballguy
Surprised Forte is so low or missing on many lists. He's exactly what I drafted him for: the model of consistency. Yes he's out this week and possibly the next, but when he's in there he's a 14+ point a game back and is currently the 4th ranked RB season-to-date in my non-PPR league.
Based on opinions of the above, I'd strongly recommend folks consider trading for him as it's likely you'll get him cheaper than you should.
Based on opinions of the above, I'd strongly recommend folks consider trading for him as it's likely you'll get him cheaper than you should.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
You think Deangelo is a total flop then?
shadyridr
Footballguy
and Forsett?
Ilov80s
Footballguy
20 would be a pretty big flop IMO.
You disagree that he lost two fumbles last week? Or you disagree that Ellington and D.Johnson are talented?
Todem
Footballguy
I totally disagree you think he will lose his job. Johnson is not a known fumbler. That was an out-lier. He is having a solid season and has been a monster pick up for the Cards. He is entrenched as their starter. And I was one of the very few (if any) that actually said he could win that job outright when they signed him. I laughed out of the room. We saw how that turned out.
Johnson is the handcuff to own in this situation as well. Ellington IMO is simply far more effective as a change of pace/3rd down back (I own all three of them). I think David Johnson would be given the first crack at the primary ball carrier job if Johnson were not healthy. Far better built for it.
Surpassed at any moment yet #2 in the entire league in rushing yards.
OK.
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I agree. People tend to get stuck in their preconceived preseason notions and ignore what's actually happening. Doug Martin is third in the NFL in rushing yards and most still don't consider him a RB1, because they didn't have him ranked there on the preseason cheatsheets. C.Johnson, Martin, and Ivory are all top ten backs this year.
