Rank the young RB's (1 Viewer)

[gianmarco]

So there seems to be a consensus top 4 RBs for dynasty leagues: Chris Johnson, ADP, MJD, and R. Rice. After these guys, there's a whole group of RBs that have various rankings. In one group you have the older stud RBs like Gore, S. Jackson, and DeAngelo. In the other group, there's a huge group of younger RB's that all have shown flashes or have significant upside. For the purposes of this thread, I'd like to leave Forte out as he's been discussed quite a bit in other threads but feel free to add him on your list if you really like him better than some of these guys.

How would you rank the following in standard PPR dynasty leagues:

Stewy

J. Charles

Beanie

Greene

Mendy

Felix

McCoy

Moreno

Some of these are expected to have larger workloads than others, all have significant upside for a variety of reasons. So, how do you see them?

The order I listed them in is how I would rank them although, with the exception of Moreno at the bottom and Stewart at the top, I think the middle 6 are mostly interchangeable

ETA--Added a poll to get a feel for a few of these guys and get a general consensus. From some early responses it seems some of these guys are all over the place. I'm not surprised which is partly why I started this thread.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

J Stew

Mendy

Charles

Beanie

Greene

Moreno

Felix

McCoy

 

[D'OHtis]

Stewy

Beanie

Greene

Mendy

Felix

J. Charles

Moreno

McCoy

Thought Moreno showed next to nothing with a prime opportunity this year. McCoy I wasn't impressed with at all. Will likely let Charles bypass me in all drafts.

 

[Balco]

1. Moreno

2. McCoy

3. Charles

4. Felix

5. Stewart

6. Mendenhall

7. Greene

8. Beanie

 

[5-ish Finkle]

Just saw it was for PPR, nevermind.

 

[Leroy's Aces]

Just an opinion:

1. Mendenhall - potential 300 carry 3 down back

2. Stewart - best RB, but DWill is still there

3. Felix - elite talent, just needs health and a chance

4. Beanie - not a great receiver, but a great RZ guy, and looks explosive

5. Charles - not considered a full-time back by his own coach

6. Moreno - not a fan for some reason

7. McCoy - didn't show much when given the chance last year

8. Greene - can't catch - he sucks for PPR - 2008 turner is his absolute ceiling, which is still pretty darned good.

 

[Ilov80s]

1. Moreno2. McCoy3. Charles4. Felix5. Stewart6. Mendenhall7. Greene8. Beanie

How in the world do you have Moreno #1?

 

[jwb]

Just my .02, which is worth less than that.

1. Beanie - Best upside of the group

2. Stewart - An eyelash under Beanie

3. Greene - not sure why nobody likes him. Yea, he can't catch, but he looked beastly late last year. It's not just stats - it's what I saw.

4. Mendenhall - rounds out the top 4

5. Charles - Not the biggest believer - show me again before I spend big trade value on you.

6. Moreno - Don't see anything special here

7. Felix - Was prettymuch a disappointment until late last year. Let's see him avoid the injury list for awhile.

8. McCoy - Not impressed. Granted, I didn't see that much of him.

 

[duece2626]

1. Moreno2. McCoy3. Charles4. Felix5. Stewart6. Mendenhall7. Greene8. Beanie

How in the world do you have Moreno #1?

Or McCoy 2 for that matter. Both those guys should be at the bottom of the list, IMO

 

[CaptainHook]

Beanie

J Stew

Mendy

McCoy

Felix

Charles

Moreno

Greene

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Stewy

Mendy

Felix

Charles

Beanie

Greene

Moreno

McCoy

 

[gianmarco]

So far, McCoy seems to be the most polarizing player by far. 2nd most upside votes, tied for 1st with "safest" votes, and easily leading the most likely to bust votes. Very interesting.

 

[Nagle2998]

So far, McCoy seems to be the most polarizing player by far. 2nd most upside votes, tied for 1st with "safest" votes, and easily leading the most likely to bust votes. Very interesting.

As an Eagles fan I was very pleased with McCoy as the year went on because the first few games he danced a little to much maybe trying for the big play. As the year went on he seemed to really hit the hole and get production. All three times he was allowed to carry the ball more then 15 times he did very well and had over 4 YPC for the year plus 40 receptions in limited time. I really don't believe any other rookie rb was as productive as McCoy and his Oline was banged up most of the year. I think IMO a lot of it will come down to if your league is PPR if it is McCoy will get a lot more then Wells, Greene and many others. Of Course I went with Stewart and Mendy as my big picks but for bust I had to go with Felix only because of injuries and a crowded backfield but I don't see a bust in the group.

 

[The Real Hipster Doofus]

Here is how I would have them ranked....

Mendenhall

Stewart (the best talent but injury concerns and split with DWill takes him down a spot)

Beanie

Greene

Felix

Charles

McCoy

Moreno

 

[Balco]

1. Moreno2. McCoy3. Charles4. Felix5. Stewart6. Mendenhall7. Greene8. Beanie

How in the world do you have Moreno #1?

Because I believe he is the best dynasty prospect in a ppr league than those listed?

 

[Crippler]

1. Beanie. Explosive. Best situation and caught ball well last year

2. Stewart. Seems injured too much and still has a great runner in front of him

3. McCoy. I liked what I saw. Good in PPR

4. Mendenall. Good spot to be in. Could be #1 in the end

5. Moreno. Still a hope

6. Greene. I think the big dropoff here. Fumbilitis and LT wont be good

7. Charles. I see Kevan Barlow

8. Felix, Nothing but a COP back

 

[lynx4ben]

Wow, no offense but this looks like my list in reverse.

1. Moreno2. McCoy3. Charles4. Felix5. Stewart6. Mendenhall7. Greene8. Beanie

 

[Go deep]

Wow, no offense but this looks like my list in reverse.

1. Moreno2. McCoy3. Charles4. Felix5. Stewart6. Mendenhall7. Greene8. Beanie

Mine too, with the exception of Mendy, i think he got him right.

 

[HAM]

Where's Donald Brown? Higher ceiling than half those guys for dynasty IMO

 

[Go deep]

Where's Donald Brown? Higher ceiling than half those guys for dynasty IMO

Agreed, he is probably my biggest buy low right now.

 

[gianmarco]

Where's Donald Brown? Higher ceiling than half those guys for dynasty IMO

Can't see anyone trading any of the guys listed for Donald Brown straight up. His perceived value is considerably lower than those guys, IMO.

 

[Go deep]

Where's Donald Brown? Higher ceiling than half those guys for dynasty IMO

Can't see anyone trading any of the guys listed for Donald Brown straight up. His perceived value is considerably lower than those guys, IMO.

I wouldnt trade him for Mendenhall, Mccoy or Moreno.

 

[gianmarco]

Where's Donald Brown? Higher ceiling than half those guys for dynasty IMO

Can't see anyone trading any of the guys listed for Donald Brown straight up. His perceived value is considerably lower than those guys, IMO.

I wouldnt trade him for Mendenhall, Mccoy or Moreno.

That's you but I would feel very comfortable placing a substantial wager that the vast majority of other owners would. That's my perception from owners in multiple leagues as well as threads/posts here.

 

[SSOG]

Looks like there was nothing all that controversial about my first two votes (Stewart and Stewart), but my 3rd vote was a big-time minority opinion. I voted Shonn Greene as the most likely to bust. Every single name on that list except for two has either demonstrated phenomenal talent over a sizeable sample, or else hasn't had a ton of opportunities yet but has first round pedigree. Charles already has a 1400 YFS season. Stewart, Beanie, Mendenhall, Felix, and Moreno were all viewed as very elite RB prospects (and were therefore taken in the first round). And then, you have LeSean McCoy, who was taken 53rd overall and had 630 rushing yards last year, and you have Shonn Greene, who was taken 65th overall and had 540 rushing yards last year. Pedigree is hardly a guarantee, of course. In the NFL, there are no "sure things" (just look at Robert Gallery). Still, at no position does pedigree wind up mattering more than at RB. If you ask me whether it's more likely that Moreno turns out to be a completely talentless bum or that Greene turns out to be a completely talentless bum, I'd say it's probably more likely that Greene does.

Like I said, it's a minority opinion because everyone still has his first two playoff games fresh in their minds, but I don't think Greene is anywhere near as "safe" of a pick as he's made out to be. Especially when you remember that he's Mr. Stone Hands and we're talking PPR.

 

[HAM]

Where's Donald Brown? Higher ceiling than half those guys for dynasty IMO

Can't see anyone trading any of the guys listed for Donald Brown straight up. His perceived value is considerably lower than those guys, IMO.

yea, but you gotta look at it from both sides. I wouldn't agree with an owner tradin brown for moreno, Felix jones or McCoy. Prob not Jamal Charles now either. His percieved value is low right now so yea people wouldn't trade say McCoy for brown. But the key word is dynasty, and I believe in Donald browns talent and placement in the league. Putting aside the "god dammit Donald".. He's a perfect fit for Mannings offense.

 

[gianmarco]

Where's Donald Brown? Higher ceiling than half those guys for dynasty IMO

Can't see anyone trading any of the guys listed for Donald Brown straight up. His perceived value is considerably lower than those guys, IMO.

yea, but you gotta look at it from both sides. I wouldn't agree with an owner tradin brown for moreno, Felix jones or McCoy. Prob not Jamal Charles now either. His percieved value is low right now so yea people wouldn't trade say McCoy for brown. But the key word is dynasty, and I believe in Donald browns talent and placement in the league. Putting aside the "god dammit Donald".. He's a perfect fit for Mannings offense.

I'm not arguing that. Likewise, there may be others that are ranked lower that you may like better too. I left Forte off. I left Slaton and Kevin Smith off. I left Pierre Thomas off. That wasn't the point of this thread. I chose 8 guys that seem to have very similar value from what I can tell and wanted to see the perceptions people have of them. Even if I personally thought Brown was a better prospect than the guys I listed, I still wouldn't list him because his perceived value just isn't in line with the guys listed (yet).

 

[Go deep]

Where's Donald Brown? Higher ceiling than half those guys for dynasty IMO

Can't see anyone trading any of the guys listed for Donald Brown straight up. His perceived value is considerably lower than those guys, IMO.

I wouldnt trade him for Mendenhall, Mccoy or Moreno.

That's you but I would feel very comfortable placing a substantial wager that the vast majority of other owners would. That's my perception from owners in multiple leagues as well as threads/posts here.

Im sure youre right, although i dont think the gap is/should be as big as you think.

 

[HAM]

You left forte off because he is terrible! Heh, understand your point though. Good thread topic

 

[Go deep]

Looks like there was nothing all that controversial about my first two votes (Stewart and Stewart), but my 3rd vote was a big-time minority opinion. I voted Shonn Greene as the most likely to bust. Every single name on that list except for two has either demonstrated phenomenal talent over a sizeable sample, or else hasn't had a ton of opportunities yet but has first round pedigree. Charles already has a 1400 YFS season. Stewart, Beanie, Mendenhall, Felix, and Moreno were all viewed as very elite RB prospects (and were therefore taken in the first round). And then, you have LeSean McCoy, who was taken 53rd overall and had 630 rushing yards last year, and you have Shonn Greene, who was taken 65th overall and had 540 rushing yards last year. Pedigree is hardly a guarantee, of course. In the NFL, there are no "sure things" (just look at Robert Gallery). Still, at no position does pedigree wind up mattering more than at RB. If you ask me whether it's more likely that Moreno turns out to be a completely talentless bum or that Greene turns out to be a completely talentless bum, I'd say it's probably more likely that Greene does.

Like I said, it's a minority opinion because everyone still has his first two playoff games fresh in their minds, but I don't think Greene is anywhere near as "safe" of a pick as he's made out to be. Especially when you remember that he's Mr. Stone Hands and we're talking PPR.

So a big back, who was not a high draft pick that cant catch? Sounds alot like another guy who alot of people have in their top 10 now, but didnt until he got a chance to shine in a good situation. Greene obviously has alot of bust potential, but his upside makes it well worth it.

 

[SSOG]

Looks like there was nothing all that controversial about my first two votes (Stewart and Stewart), but my 3rd vote was a big-time minority opinion. I voted Shonn Greene as the most likely to bust. Every single name on that list except for two has either demonstrated phenomenal talent over a sizeable sample, or else hasn't had a ton of opportunities yet but has first round pedigree. Charles already has a 1400 YFS season. Stewart, Beanie, Mendenhall, Felix, and Moreno were all viewed as very elite RB prospects (and were therefore taken in the first round). And then, you have LeSean McCoy, who was taken 53rd overall and had 630 rushing yards last year, and you have Shonn Greene, who was taken 65th overall and had 540 rushing yards last year. Pedigree is hardly a guarantee, of course. In the NFL, there are no "sure things" (just look at Robert Gallery). Still, at no position does pedigree wind up mattering more than at RB. If you ask me whether it's more likely that Moreno turns out to be a completely talentless bum or that Greene turns out to be a completely talentless bum, I'd say it's probably more likely that Greene does.

Like I said, it's a minority opinion because everyone still has his first two playoff games fresh in their minds, but I don't think Greene is anywhere near as "safe" of a pick as he's made out to be. Especially when you remember that he's Mr. Stone Hands and we're talking PPR.

So a big back, who was not a high draft pick that cant catch? Sounds alot like another guy who alot of people have in their top 10 now, but didnt until he got a chance to shine in a good situation. Greene obviously has alot of bust potential, but his upside makes it well worth it.

I'm not sure that I understand the reference. That description (low drafted, hands of stone, large, wasn't highly rated until he had an opportunity to star) doesn't match anyone in my top 20. The closest match (and the comparison I think you were trying to make) would be Michael Turner (who's not sniffing my top 10 at this point). If that's the comparison you're trying to make, I definitely don't see the merit of it. First off, people were calling him better than Tomlinson years before he got to Atlanta. Second off, Turner currently has one fantasy top-20 finish to his name, so it's not like Michael Turner is this overwhelming success story at this point. In fact, if you want to look at what RB his career most resembles through 6 seasons, I'd say LaMont Jordan. Both backs spent four years backing up a likely Hall of Famer (Tomlinson and Curtis Martin). Both developed reputations as the best backup RB in the entire NFL. Both backs switched teams in year 5 and posted a monster fantasy season (Turner was 2nd with Atlanta, Jordan was 8th with Oakland despite only playing 14 games). Both backs lost a huge chunk of year 6 to injury. I certainly think that Michael Turner is far more talented than LaMont Jordan is, but it's ridiculous to use his career-to-date as some sort of vindication for Shonn Greene owners. Right now, Turner's just a 28 year old coming off a major injury and with one good season to his name.Besides, I specifically said that I was only talking about Greene's bust potential. I never said he was a useless fantasy asset or anything of that nature. I just said that if we were placing bets on which one of those RBs would wind up being the biggest bust, my money would be on Shonn Greene (with a little bit of money on McCoy as a hedge). I think he's got this reputation as a safe bet because he had two great games in the playoffs, but I'm just not seeing it.

 

[Go deep]

Looks like there was nothing all that controversial about my first two votes (Stewart and Stewart), but my 3rd vote was a big-time minority opinion. I voted Shonn Greene as the most likely to bust. Every single name on that list except for two has either demonstrated phenomenal talent over a sizeable sample, or else hasn't had a ton of opportunities yet but has first round pedigree. Charles already has a 1400 YFS season. Stewart, Beanie, Mendenhall, Felix, and Moreno were all viewed as very elite RB prospects (and were therefore taken in the first round). And then, you have LeSean McCoy, who was taken 53rd overall and had 630 rushing yards last year, and you have Shonn Greene, who was taken 65th overall and had 540 rushing yards last year. Pedigree is hardly a guarantee, of course. In the NFL, there are no "sure things" (just look at Robert Gallery). Still, at no position does pedigree wind up mattering more than at RB. If you ask me whether it's more likely that Moreno turns out to be a completely talentless bum or that Greene turns out to be a completely talentless bum, I'd say it's probably more likely that Greene does.

Like I said, it's a minority opinion because everyone still has his first two playoff games fresh in their minds, but I don't think Greene is anywhere near as "safe" of a pick as he's made out to be. Especially when you remember that he's Mr. Stone Hands and we're talking PPR.

So a big back, who was not a high draft pick that cant catch? Sounds alot like another guy who alot of people have in their top 10 now, but didnt until he got a chance to shine in a good situation. Greene obviously has alot of bust potential, but his upside makes it well worth it.

I'm not sure that I understand the reference. That description (low drafted, hands of stone, large, wasn't highly rated until he had an opportunity to star) doesn't match anyone in my top 20. The closest match (and the comparison I think you were trying to make) would be Michael Turner (who's not sniffing my top 10 at this point). If that's the comparison you're trying to make, I definitely don't see the merit of it. First off, people were calling him better than Tomlinson years before he got to Atlanta. Second off, Turner currently has one fantasy top-20 finish to his name, so it's not like Michael Turner is this overwhelming success story at this point. In fact, if you want to look at what RB his career most resembles through 6 seasons, I'd say LaMont Jordan. Both backs spent four years backing up a likely Hall of Famer (Tomlinson and Curtis Martin). Both developed reputations as the best backup RB in the entire NFL. Both backs switched teams in year 5 and posted a monster fantasy season (Turner was 2nd with Atlanta, Jordan was 8th with Oakland despite only playing 14 games). Both backs lost a huge chunk of year 6 to injury. I certainly think that Michael Turner is far more talented than LaMont Jordan is, but it's ridiculous to use his career-to-date as some sort of vindication for Shonn Greene owners. Right now, Turner's just a 28 year old coming off a major injury and with one good season to his name.Besides, I specifically said that I was only talking about Greene's bust potential. I never said he was a useless fantasy asset or anything of that nature. I just said that if we were placing bets on which one of those RBs would wind up being the biggest bust, my money would be on Shonn Greene (with a little bit of money on McCoy as a hedge). I think he's got this reputation as a safe bet because he had two great games in the playoffs, but I'm just not seeing it.

That was my point, he was overhyped before he really did anything, just like Greene. So if Greene goes on to put up 1500 yards and 14 TD's this year, their path will be almost identical. Of course his path will then be the same Turners was for me, ride out the first couple years after getting him cheap and hyping him(rightfully so i thought). Then a couple years later, trade him away by the time he is 28 for a stud WR and high draft pick.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Looks like there was nothing all that controversial about my first two votes (Stewart and Stewart), but my 3rd vote was a big-time minority opinion. I voted Shonn Greene as the most likely to bust. Every single name on that list except for two has either demonstrated phenomenal talent over a sizeable sample, or else hasn't had a ton of opportunities yet but has first round pedigree. Charles already has a 1400 YFS season. Stewart, Beanie, Mendenhall, Felix, and Moreno were all viewed as very elite RB prospects (and were therefore taken in the first round). And then, you have LeSean McCoy, who was taken 53rd overall and had 630 rushing yards last year, and you have Shonn Greene, who was taken 65th overall and had 540 rushing yards last year. Pedigree is hardly a guarantee, of course. In the NFL, there are no "sure things" (just look at Robert Gallery). Still, at no position does pedigree wind up mattering more than at RB. If you ask me whether it's more likely that Moreno turns out to be a completely talentless bum or that Greene turns out to be a completely talentless bum, I'd say it's probably more likely that Greene does.

Like I said, it's a minority opinion because everyone still has his first two playoff games fresh in their minds, but I don't think Greene is anywhere near as "safe" of a pick as he's made out to be. Especially when you remember that he's Mr. Stone Hands and we're talking PPR.

 

[got_nugs]

Wow, no offense but this looks like my list in reverse.

1. Moreno2. McCoy3. Charles4. Felix5. Stewart6. Mendenhall7. Greene8. Beanie

Oh, inverted world

 

[Deadman31]

Where does Justin Forsett rank among young RBs?

 

[travdogg]

Looks like there was nothing all that controversial about my first two votes (Stewart and Stewart), but my 3rd vote was a big-time minority opinion. I voted Shonn Greene as the most likely to bust. Every single name on that list except for two has either demonstrated phenomenal talent over a sizeable sample, or else hasn't had a ton of opportunities yet but has first round pedigree. Charles already has a 1400 YFS season. Stewart, Beanie, Mendenhall, Felix, and Moreno were all viewed as very elite RB prospects (and were therefore taken in the first round). And then, you have LeSean McCoy, who was taken 53rd overall and had 630 rushing yards last year, and you have Shonn Greene, who was taken 65th overall and had 540 rushing yards last year. Pedigree is hardly a guarantee, of course. In the NFL, there are no "sure things" (just look at Robert Gallery). Still, at no position does pedigree wind up mattering more than at RB. If you ask me whether it's more likely that Moreno turns out to be a completely talentless bum or that Greene turns out to be a completely talentless bum, I'd say it's probably more likely that Greene does.

Like I said, it's a minority opinion because everyone still has his first two playoff games fresh in their minds, but I don't think Greene is anywhere near as "safe" of a pick as he's made out to be. Especially when you remember that he's Mr. Stone Hands and we're talking PPR.

I kind of get a Marion Barber vibe from Greene. He looked good late in games after Thomas Jones had wore defenses down, but I do question how Greene will fare given close to 20 carries per game against fresher defenses. I think its very dangerous to read too much into his performance in the playoffs.

Since he's the same age as Greene, I feel Pierre Thomas should be an addition to this list. I mention him, because I'd have him 3rd after Stewart and Charles. I'd rank them like this:

Stewart

Charles

Thomas

Mendy

Wells

Moreno

Felix

Greene

McCoy

 

[KoolKat]

I don't get all the McCoy hate. He is very young, and will undoubtedly add 10-15 pounds in the next few years. He may not be the best next year, but in dynasty I like McCoy a lot. Here is my list:

Stewart

Mendenhall

Felix

McCoy

Beanie

Greene

Knowshon

Charles

 

[gianmarco]

So, based on the voting so far, which we have a lot of, this looks to be the "consensus" rankings. I'll break it up into tiers from what I can see.

1. Stewart -- This one seems clear. Easily viewed as highest upside, highest floor, least likely to bust.

2. Beanie -- 2nd in upside, 2nd in least likely to bust, and viewed as a relatively safe floor.

3. Mendy -- Not seen as a huge upside guy (average voting) but seen as relatively safe with a lot of votes for highest floor and relatively few on "bust"

4. Greene -- Similar findings to Mendenhall with slightly less votes in the 1st 2 and the same in the "bust" group

5. Felix -- A few upside votes (more than the remaining 3 guys) and a lot of "bust" votes (but fewer than the other 3 guys).

6. Moreno -- Seen as somewhat safer than Felix but fewer upside votes and more "bust" votes.

7a Charles -- Almost all his votes in the "bust" group. Can interchange with McCoy.

7b McCoy -- About the same upside votes as Charles, more safe votes, more bust votes. Depends on what you prefer.

I find some of this interesting, some surprising and some not surprising.

 

[SSOG]

So, based on the voting so far, which we have a lot of, this looks to be the "consensus" rankings. I'll break it up into tiers from what I can see.1. Stewart -- This one seems clear. Easily viewed as highest upside, highest floor, least likely to bust.2. Beanie -- 2nd in upside, 2nd in least likely to bust, and viewed as a relatively safe floor.3. Mendy -- Not seen as a huge upside guy (average voting) but seen as relatively safe with a lot of votes for highest floor and relatively few on "bust"4. Greene -- Similar findings to Mendenhall with slightly less votes in the 1st 2 and the same in the "bust" group5. Felix -- A few upside votes (more than the remaining 3 guys) and a lot of "bust" votes (but fewer than the other 3 guys). 6. Moreno -- Seen as somewhat safer than Felix but fewer upside votes and more "bust" votes.7a Charles -- Almost all his votes in the "bust" group. Can interchange with McCoy.7b McCoy -- About the same upside votes as Charles, more safe votes, more bust votes. Depends on what you prefer. I find some of this interesting, some surprising and some not surprising.

I don't know that ranking based on votes is the best way to go. For instance, if every single person on the board agreed that Charles had the second-highest upside, then Charles would finish last upside votes. That's not necessarily an accurate reflection of his perceived value.

 

[gianmarco]

So, based on the voting so far, which we have a lot of, this looks to be the "consensus" rankings. I'll break it up into tiers from what I can see.1. Stewart -- This one seems clear. Easily viewed as highest upside, highest floor, least likely to bust.2. Beanie -- 2nd in upside, 2nd in least likely to bust, and viewed as a relatively safe floor.3. Mendy -- Not seen as a huge upside guy (average voting) but seen as relatively safe with a lot of votes for highest floor and relatively few on "bust"4. Greene -- Similar findings to Mendenhall with slightly less votes in the 1st 2 and the same in the "bust" group5. Felix -- A few upside votes (more than the remaining 3 guys) and a lot of "bust" votes (but fewer than the other 3 guys). 6. Moreno -- Seen as somewhat safer than Felix but fewer upside votes and more "bust" votes.7a Charles -- Almost all his votes in the "bust" group. Can interchange with McCoy.7b McCoy -- About the same upside votes as Charles, more safe votes, more bust votes. Depends on what you prefer. I find some of this interesting, some surprising and some not surprising.

I don't know that ranking based on votes is the best way to go. For instance, if every single person on the board agreed that Charles had the second-highest upside, then Charles would finish last upside votes. That's not necessarily an accurate reflection of his perceived value.

It's not the best way to go. The best way would be to have every single FBG member submit their rankings and go with some aggregate average. That's not possible. It's a rough ranking given the above.

 

[Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub]

I don't get all the McCoy hate. He is very young, and will undoubtedly add 10-15 pounds in the next few years. He may not be the best next year, but in dynasty I like McCoy a lot. Here is my list:StewartMendenhallFelixMcCoyBeanieGreeneKnowshonCharles

The hate is with how he runs. He showed little ability to just hit the hole between the tackles. [Weaver was far superior in this facet and will continue to be. ]. He can add all the weight he wants, but until he demostrates the ability to consistently run between the tackles (we going to start seeing some sort of leg drive?), he will a future 3rd down back in my view. If he starts blocking better, which the added weight will not hurt.He's not overly fast. Not a physical between the tackles guy. Not a good blocker. Wore down with a small workload in rookie year [see Rotoworld's blurb from today]. He's not going to be goalline back. He demonstrated he can be an asset in space [pretty much like a slower Reggie Bush]. He can improve in areas, but do I expect him to improve so much in so many areas where I believe he is below average to suddenly become a bellcow?? No.Not everyone is going to be an every-down back. Nothing wrong with 2nd round pick becoming a 8-10 carry 3rd down back.

 

[SSOG]

Where does Justin Forsett rank among young RBs?

Low.

It's not the best way to go. The best way would be to have every single FBG member submit their rankings and go with some aggregate average. That's not possible. It's a rough ranking given the above.

You could always do a composite of the rankings that were posted in the thread.Tier 1:Jonathan Stewartmean = 1.8. median = 2nd. mode = 1st, 2nd (5 votes for each).Clearly the runaway favorite based on the thread rankings. Of the 11 people who posted rankings, 10 have had him either first or second (the 11th had him 5th). He's also one of only two RBs on the list that didn't receive a single last place vote.Tier 2:Rashard Mendenhallmean = 3.1. median = 3rd. mode = 2nd, 4th (3 votes).Mendenhall is the other RB that didn't receive a single last place vote (his lowest was 6th). That's pretty much all that separated him from the next guy.Beanie Wellsmean = 3.5. median = 3rd. mode = 1st, 4th (3 votes).Of the 22 possible 1st or 2nd place votes cast in this thread, Stewart, Mendenhall, and Wells wound up accounting for a mind-boggling 19 of them. One guy had Moreno and McCoy as #1 and #2, and another guy had Stewart #1 and Charles #2. The other 9 posters might have been down on either Wells or Mendenhall, but never both. That incredible consistency is why these two are a tier above the others.Tier 3:Jamaal Charlesmean = 5.0. median = 5th. mode = 6th (3 votes).Felix Jonesmean = 5.1. median = 5th. mode = 5th (3 votes).Shonn Greenemean = 5.7. median = 6th. mode = 6th (3 votes).Knowshon Morenomean = 5.9. median = 6th. mode = 7th (4 votes).These 4 are all pretty tightly bunched. They all have their supporters, and they all have their detractors, but generally speaking the detractors outweigh the supporters. Charles and Felix are both viewed as potentially higher upside than Greene or Moreno, but by mean, median, or mode these guys are all generally viewed as the 5th or 6th best backs on the list.Tier 4:Lesean McCoymean = 6.1. median = 7th. mode = 8th (5 votes).There's definitely a consensus that McCoy is the worst of the 8. The mean is dragged up by one second place vote, but 5 of the 11 voters rated McCoy 8th, and two more rated him 7th.

 

[gianmarco]

As I said, of course you can do it that way. You got those rankings based off ~11 lists (quick glance). What I did was based on 257 votes. I'll take a more imperfect ranking based on 250 votes vs. 10 lists. If we could get significant # of lists in this thread, then I'd be much more inclined to go with that.

Either way, the list is actually pretty similar and affects Greene and Charles the most. The rest are either in the same spot or shifted by 1.

 

[Aardvarks]

Where does Justin Forsett rank among young RBs?

Forsett should be 5th or 6th on this list, yet he's not even mentioned at all.Moreno = Maroney = Onterrio = SalaamBeanie has the tools to be a dominant back. Mendenhall . . . I just don't know. He probably won't be on my teams unless it's a super-value slot.Felix will be a controversial pick for the next 3-5 years, as his injuries intertwine with brilliant stretches.McCoy could be a huge value grab if he remains under the radar. If the Eagles don't draft a RB in the first 2 rounds I will be looking to pick him.Stewart shares. Share = beware.

 

[ty247]

Where does Justin Forsett rank among young RBs?

Forsett should be 5th or 6th on this list, yet he's not even mentioned at all.Moreno = Maroney = Onterrio = SalaamBeanie has the tools to be a dominant back. Mendenhall . . . I just don't know. He probably won't be on my teams unless it's a super-value slot.Felix will be a controversial pick for the next 3-5 years, as his injuries intertwine with brilliant stretches.McCoy could be a huge value grab if he remains under the radar. If the Eagles don't draft a RB in the first 2 rounds I will be looking to pick him.Stewart shares. Share = beware.

For all those ready to call Moreno a bust, here's some stats for you of a running back that had similar stats his rookie year..Name that rookie running back - 937 yards rushing, 3.9 average, 11 touchdowns, 228 yards receiving,

 

[gianmarco]

Where does Justin Forsett rank among young RBs?

Forsett should be 5th or 6th on this list, yet he's not even mentioned at all.Moreno = Maroney = Onterrio = SalaamBeanie has the tools to be a dominant back. Mendenhall . . . I just don't know. He probably won't be on my teams unless it's a super-value slot.Felix will be a controversial pick for the next 3-5 years, as his injuries intertwine with brilliant stretches.McCoy could be a huge value grab if he remains under the radar. If the Eagles don't draft a RB in the first 2 rounds I will be looking to pick him.Stewart shares. Share = beware.

For all those ready to call Moreno a bust, here's some stats for you of a running back that had similar stats his rookie year..Name that rookie running back - 937 yards rushing, 3.9 average, 11 touchdowns, 228 yards receiving,

There's plenty of top notch RBs that didn't put up nice stats their 1st year. That's not why people are worried about Moreno. It's how he LOOKED and the fact he was easily outperformed by journeyman Buckhalter.

 

[broncofan13000]

Jstew

Beanie

Moreno

Felix

Mendy

Charles

Greene

Mccoy

 

[ty247]

Where does Justin Forsett rank among young RBs?

Forsett should be 5th or 6th on this list, yet he's not even mentioned at all.Moreno = Maroney = Onterrio = SalaamBeanie has the tools to be a dominant back. Mendenhall . . . I just don't know. He probably won't be on my teams unless it's a super-value slot.Felix will be a controversial pick for the next 3-5 years, as his injuries intertwine with brilliant stretches.McCoy could be a huge value grab if he remains under the radar. If the Eagles don't draft a RB in the first 2 rounds I will be looking to pick him.Stewart shares. Share = beware.

For all those ready to call Moreno a bust, here's some stats for you of a running back that had similar stats his rookie year..Name that rookie running back - 937 yards rushing, 3.9 average, 11 touchdowns, 228 yards receiving,

There's plenty of top notch RBs that didn't put up nice stats their 1st year. That's not why people are worried about Moreno. It's how he LOOKED and the fact he was easily outperformed by journeyman Buckhalter.

Mendenhall looked like garbage his first year also before he was murdered by Ray Lewis.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I think except for Stewart and maybe Beanie Id just grab Gore.

McCoy isnt gonna cut it.

Mendy looks ok in a turner type role. Seems to have grabbed all the touches in Pitt now though

I love Green but stone hands are an issue.

I woudlnt touch felix jones with a 10 foot pole. Gonna be hurt, always. Dont like his frame

I think KNowshon turns it around some this year.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Where does Justin Forsett rank among young RBs?

Forsett should be 5th or 6th on this list, yet he's not even mentioned at all.Moreno = Maroney = Onterrio = SalaamBeanie has the tools to be a dominant back. Mendenhall . . . I just don't know. He probably won't be on my teams unless it's a super-value slot.Felix will be a controversial pick for the next 3-5 years, as his injuries intertwine with brilliant stretches.McCoy could be a huge value grab if he remains under the radar. If the Eagles don't draft a RB in the first 2 rounds I will be looking to pick him.Stewart shares. Share = beware.

For all those ready to call Moreno a bust, here's some stats for you of a running back that had similar stats his rookie year..Name that rookie running back - 937 yards rushing, 3.9 average, 11 touchdowns, 228 yards receiving,

There's plenty of top notch RBs that didn't put up nice stats their 1st year. That's not why people are worried about Moreno. It's how he LOOKED and the fact he was easily outperformed by journeyman Buckhalter.

Mendenhall looked like garbage his first year also before he was murdered by Ray Lewis.

Mendy also has a much better frame...and measurables.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Where does Justin Forsett rank among young RBs?

Forsett should be 5th or 6th on this list, yet he's not even mentioned at all.Moreno = Maroney = Onterrio = Salaam

Beanie has the tools to be a dominant back.

Mendenhall . . . I just don't know. He probably won't be on my teams unless it's a super-value slot.

Felix will be a controversial pick for the next 3-5 years, as his injuries intertwine with brilliant stretches.

McCoy could be a huge value grab if he remains under the radar. If the Eagles don't draft a RB in the first 2 rounds I will be looking to pick him.

Stewart shares. Share = beware.

ROY down....did moreno...nope...maroney....nope...onterrio...nope...just sayin