RAVENS TO RUN THE BALL (1 Viewer)

[BustedKnuckles]

QUOTE TO NOTE: "We're going to run the ball 500 times this year. Who carries that 500? I don't much care. Too many athletes is never, ever, ever a problem." Coach Brian Billick on the Ravens' crowded backfield of Jamal Lewis, Mike Anderson and Musa Smith.

I grabbed Lewis as my 3rd RB...i hope this is true...300 carries for J.L and let M.A and M.S fight over the scraps

 

[gbill2004]

Who's the primary goalline back?

 

[CrossEyed]

QUOTE TO NOTE: "We're going to run the ball 500 times this year. Who carries that 500? I don't much care. Too many athletes is never, ever, ever a problem." Coach Brian Billick on the Ravens' crowded backfield of Jamal Lewis, Mike Anderson and Musa Smith.I grabbed Lewis as my 3rd RB...i hope this is true...300 carries for J.L and let M.A and M.S fight over the scraps

You're assuming he can stay healthy.

 

[joffer]

bet ya $100 that they don't

 

[BustedKnuckles]

QUOTE TO NOTE: "We're going to run the ball 500 times this year. Who carries that 500? I don't much care. Too many athletes is never, ever, ever a problem." Coach Brian Billick on the Ravens' crowded backfield of Jamal Lewis, Mike Anderson and Musa Smith.I grabbed Lewis as my 3rd RB...i hope this is true...300 carries for J.L and let M.A and M.S fight over the scraps

You're assuming he can stay healthy.

I`m not assuming....i`m praying

 

[amnesiac]

3.4 ypc x 300 carries = 1,020 yards

awesome.

 

[(HULK)]

Its the second half and the Ravens are down by 17.

They've only rushed 16 times thus far in the game.

Will they rush another 16 times in the second half just because the coach made a comment in preseason that he wanted 500 rushes? I don't think so.

 

[hi1111]

Its the second half and the Ravens are down by 17.They've only rushed 16 times thus far in the game.Will they rush another 16 times in the second half just because the coach made a comment in preseason that he wanted 500 rushes? I don't think so.

it's the second half and the ravens are ahead with the opposing team still without a look inside the 20. 14-2 record

 

[mojorizin]

Please Lord, don't make me have to watch Jamal shuffling his big slow butt to the line 500 times.

How in the world that hump ran for 2 grand is beyond me. They should include the offensive line in that stat.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

3.4 ypc x 300 carries = 1,020 yardsawesome.

2000---4.4 ypc2002---4.32003---5.32004---4.32005---3.4average ypc.---4.4

 

[redman]

Its the second half and the Ravens are down by 17.They've only rushed 16 times thus far in the game.Will they rush another 16 times in the second half just because the coach made a comment in preseason that he wanted 500 rushes? I don't think so.

it's the second half and the ravens are ahead with the opposing team still without a look inside the 20. 14-2 record

2006 <> 2000

 

[amnesiac]

3.4 ypc x 300 carries = 1,020 yardsawesome.

2000---4.4 ypc2002---4.32003---5.32004---4.32005---3.4average ypc.---4.4

yeah, i was just messing with you.i drafted the guy, i'm just not real excited about it is all.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

3.4 ypc x 300 carries = 1,020 yardsawesome.

2000---4.4 ypc2002---4.32003---5.32004---4.32005---3.4average ypc.---4.4

yeah, i was just messing with you.i drafted the guy, i'm just not real excited about it is all.

Jamal has looked pretty good in limited action , he`s in a contract year and he`s happy with the direction the offence is going with Mcnair at the helm...a happy Jamal may be a productive Jamal...you never know , he`s only 27 and he`s proven he can motor.

 

[mbuehner]

Jamal has looked pretty good in limited action

until he got hurt...

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Jamal has looked pretty good in limited action

until he got hurt...

How`s that kool-aid taste?

 

[hawaiiankrush]

Every team would like to run the ball 500 times, but doing it is another thing. The Ravens didn't get McNair to just handoff the ball.....Boller could have done that. Don't put a lot of stock into this kind of info.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Every team would like to run the ball 500 times, but doing it is another thing. The Ravens didn't get McNair to just handoff the ball.....Boller could have done that. Don't put a lot of stock into this kind of info.

Running the ball and defense...thats the ravens formula for success...mcnair does`nt need to win the games,just dont lose them like boller would.

 

[SigEp316]

Every team would like to run the ball 500 times, but doing it is another thing. The Ravens didn't get McNair to just handoff the ball.....Boller could have done that. Don't put a lot of stock into this kind of info.

Running the ball and defense...thats the ravens formula for success...mcnair does`nt need to win the games,just dont lose them like boller would.

1400 and 12 for Jamal this year

 

[hawaiiankrush]

Every team would like to run the ball 500 times, but doing it is another thing. The Ravens didn't get McNair to just handoff the ball.....Boller could have done that. Don't put a lot of stock into this kind of info.

Running the ball and defense...thats the ravens formula for success...mcnair does`nt need to win the games,just dont lose them like boller would.

No team can just run that much--get real. That's the formula for the Ravens success?? Easier said than done my man. Defenses will put 8 guys in the box and good luck to running against that.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Every team would like to run the ball 500 times, but doing it is another thing. The Ravens didn't get McNair to just handoff the ball.....Boller could have done that. Don't put a lot of stock into this kind of info.

Running the ball and defense...thats the ravens formula for success...mcnair does`nt need to win the games,just dont lose them like boller would.

1400 and 12 for Jamal this year

I`ll be happy with 1,300 and 8 td`s....not bad for a third rb taken in the 4th rd.

 

[jurb26]

bet ya $100 that they don't

Whys that exactly?Balt Rushing over the years under BB:Year, Atts, Record2005, 452, 6-102004, 491, 9-72003, 553, 10-62002, 427, 7-92001, 427, 10-6 (No Lewis)2000, 511, 12-41999, 431, 8-8Really I think it all comes down to how good you think Balt will be. If they are a good team, they and BB have proven they like to run the ball a lot. The only year in which they had a winning record and did not exceed or approach 500+ rushing atts was in the year Lewis was out and the lacked talent at the position. I for one feel that Balt is a good team this year hence I can see their rushing atts up towards or above 500+.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Every team would like to run the ball 500 times, but doing it is another thing. The Ravens didn't get McNair to just handoff the ball.....Boller could have done that. Don't put a lot of stock into this kind of info.

Running the ball and defense...thats the ravens formula for success...mcnair does`nt need to win the games,just dont lose them like boller would.

No team can just run that much--get real. That's the formula for the Ravens success?? Easier said than done my man. Defenses will put 8 guys in the box and good luck to running against that.

Look...even if they run JUST 400 times that will still be there mantra...they live and die with the run game,let a defense stack the line ,mcnair to mason or heap will make them pay.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

bet ya $100 that they don't

Whys that exactly?Balt Rushing over the years under BB:Year, Atts, Record2005, 452, 6-102004, 491, 9-72003, 553, 10-62002, 427, 7-92001, 427, 10-6 (No Lewis)2000, 511, 12-41999, 431, 8-8Really I think it all comes down to how good you think Balt will be. If they are a good team, they and BB have proven they like to run the ball a lot. The only year in which they had a winning record and did not exceed or approach 500+ rushing atts was in the year Lewis was out and the lacked talent at the position. I for one feel that Balt is a good team this year hence I can see their rushing atts up towards or above 500+.

Thank you jurbsta...i could`nt have said it better

 

[jurb26]

Every team would like to run the ball 500 times, but doing it is another thing. The Ravens didn't get McNair to just handoff the ball.....Boller could have done that. Don't put a lot of stock into this kind of info.

Running the ball and defense...thats the ravens formula for success...mcnair does`nt need to win the games,just dont lose them like boller would.

No team can just run that much--get real. That's the formula for the Ravens success?? Easier said than done my man. Defenses will put 8 guys in the box and good luck to running against that.

The Ravens don't just talk about it along with some other teams (Den and Pitt come to mind). If they are winning ball games, they do it.

 

[joffer]

bet ya $100 that they don't

Whys that exactly?Balt Rushing over the years under BB:Year, Atts, Record2005, 452, 6-102004, 491, 9-72003, 553, 10-62002, 427, 7-92001, 427, 10-6 (No Lewis)2000, 511, 12-41999, 431, 8-8

so, you think when BB says 500 times he's including QB rushes?

 

[jurb26]

bet ya $100 that they don't

Whys that exactly?Balt Rushing over the years under BB:Year, Atts, Record2005, 452, 6-102004, 491, 9-72003, 553, 10-62002, 427, 7-92001, 427, 10-6 (No Lewis)2000, 511, 12-41999, 431, 8-8

so, you think when BB says 500 times he's including QB rushes?

I would imagin so. I mean I think he is talking about total rushes for the team, but I could be wrong.

 

[joffer]

bet ya $100 that they don't

Whys that exactly?Balt Rushing over the years under BB:

Year, Atts, Record

2005, 452, 6-10

2004, 491, 9-7

2003, 553, 10-6

2002, 427, 7-9

2001, 427, 10-6 (No Lewis)

2000, 511, 12-4

1999, 431, 8-8

so, you think when BB says 500 times he's including QB rushes?

I would imagin so. I mean I think he is talking about total rushes for the team, but I could be wrong.

i doubt it

QUOTE TO NOTE: "We're going to run the ball 500 times this year. Who carries that 500? I don't much care. Too many athletes is never, ever, ever a problem." Coach Brian Billick on the Ravens' crowded backfield of Jamal Lewis, Mike Anderson and Musa Smith.

 

[cr8f]

With McNair, Heap and Mason? I don't think so. Why give up such a great passing attack?

 

[jurb26]

Basically, I see this comment from BB as confidence in his team. His philosophy to winning in Balt has been with running the ball well and D. Him saying they will run the ball 500+ times seems to me like him saying I think we are a good enough team to run the ball 500+ times and win games. It's true that everyone (or most coaches) would love to run the ball that much. Only the good teams have that liberty however.

 

[jurb26]

i doubt it

QUOTE TO NOTE: "We're going to run the ball 500 times this year. Who carries that 500? I don't much care. Too many athletes is never, ever, ever a problem." Coach Brian Billick on the Ravens' crowded backfield of Jamal Lewis, Mike Anderson and Musa Smith.

I sure as heck find it hard to believe that BB is blind enough to think that his QB will not run the ball a fair amount, especially when that QB's name is Steve McNair.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

With McNair, Heap and Mason? I don't think so. Why give up such a great passing attack?

The passing weapons will complement the ground game....think the polar opposite of a M.Martz team.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

i doubt it

QUOTE TO NOTE: "We're going to run the ball 500 times this year. Who carries that 500? I don't much care. Too many athletes is never, ever, ever a problem." Coach Brian Billick on the Ravens' crowded backfield of Jamal Lewis, Mike Anderson and Musa Smith.

I sure as heck find it hard to believe that BB is blind enough to think that his QB will not run the ball a fair amount, especially when that QB's name is Steve McNair.

Mcanair has already run for a td ,last game i believe.

 

[joffer]

i doubt it

QUOTE TO NOTE: "We're going to run the ball 500 times this year. Who carries that 500? I don't much care. Too many athletes is never, ever, ever a problem." Coach Brian Billick on the Ravens' crowded backfield of Jamal Lewis, Mike Anderson and Musa Smith.

I sure as heck find it hard to believe that BB is blind enough to think that his QB will not run the ball a fair amount, especially when that QB's name is Steve McNair.

of course not, i just don't think that's what he was referring to when he said 500 times.

 

[roadkill1292]

It was a casual throwaway line by Billick in response to a question about the stockpile of talent in the Ravens' backfield. Don't read too much into it. They'll do whatever they need to, which is why they got McNair, to stretch the field and give them a chance if they get 10 points down. If they're up in the second half, they're gonna pound the rock with those big backs, just like any other team in the league would like to do.

 

[ravnzfan]

It was a casual throwaway line by Billick in response to a question about the stockpile of talent in the Ravens' backfield. Don't read too much into it. They'll do whatever they need to, which is why they got McNair, to stretch the field and give them a chance if they get 10 points down. If they're up in the second half, they're gonna pound the rock with those big backs, just like any other team in the league would like to do.

touche`

 

[hotboyz]

Jamal has looked pretty good in limited action

until he got hurt...

Jamal's not hurt I live in Baltimore he's been dealing with a slight hip flexor since the beginning of camp. He's played 2 games they've seen what he can do they're just resting him for the season making sure he's 100% and ready. They are also trying to see just what they have in Mike Anderson, Musa Smith has just about locked up that #2 RB role and he'll probaly be our starter in 2007

 

[David Yudkin]

The strength of the Ravens defense will dictate what their offense will do. If they give up 10 ppg, they will run all day long. If they give up 20+ . . . then not so much.

 

[ravnzfan]

Jamal has looked pretty good in limited action

until he got hurt...

Jamal's not hurt I live in Baltimore he's been dealing with a slight hip flexor since the beginning of camp. He's played 2 games they've seen what he can do they're just resting him for the season making sure he's 100% and ready. They are also trying to see just what they have in Mike Anderson, Musa Smith has just about locked up that #2 RB role and he'll probaly be our starter in 2007

psst...Musa is still a big deal on Special Teams, plus the best receiving RB we have, meaning 3rd downsI doubt they'll play him as Jamal's b/u, but he'll see plenty of action none the less

I aggree Musa can be RB1 in '07, as Lewis money will be too high for us and there won't be any good reason to resign him to that kind of contract...Anderson is locked up thru '07 for $2M/yr, plus PJDaniels will make squad in '07 as the 3rd down guy

per David's comment...what has been exciting so far has been the way the 1st team O has held the ball, keeping the D off the field...no one has really commented on that, but it should lead to a well rested and effective defense...I expect avg Time of Possesion to rival '00 seasons 35:06, really putting pressure on the opposition to create and allowing the D to really shine again

 

[Banger]

Jamal has looked pretty good in limited action

until he got hurt...

Jamal's not hurt I live in Baltimore he's been dealing with a slight hip flexor since the beginning of camp. He's played 2 games they've seen what he can do they're just resting him for the season making sure he's 100% and ready. They are also trying to see just what they have in Mike Anderson, Musa Smith has just about locked up that #2 RB role and he'll probaly be our starter in 2007

psst...Musa is still a big deal on Special Teams, plus the best receiving RB we have, meaning 3rd downsI doubt they'll play him as Jamal's b/u, but he'll see plenty of action none the less

I aggree Musa can be RB1 in '07, as Lewis money will be too high for us and there won't be any good reason to resign him to that kind of contract...Anderson is locked up thru '07 for $2M/yr, plus PJDaniels will make squad in '07 as the 3rd down guy

per David's comment...what has been exciting so far has been the way the 1st team O has held the ball, keeping the D off the field...no one has really commented on that, but it should lead to a well rested and effective defense...I expect avg Time of Possesion to rival '00 seasons 35:06, really putting pressure on the opposition to create and allowing the D to really shine again

The TOP comment is a great one. In McNair's prime he was a master at keeping the drives alive and picking up those 3rd and 4's all day long. With Heap/Mason at his disposal I definitely think he has the tools to be a very efficient qb which would allow Jamal to grind the defense down as he used to.

 

[Jason Wood]

I have the team running 480 times; which included 40 rushes from McNair. The Ravens have been all over the map in recent years in terms of run/pass ratio; but under Fassel (who is calling the plays, not Billick) I can't see them going to a 50%/50% split...it'll be more like 53%-47% or so IMHO.

 

[Otis]

Please Lord, don't make me have to watch Jamal shuffling his big slow butt to the line 500 times.How in the world that hump ran for 2 grand is beyond me. They should include the offensive line in that stat.

 

[infantsam]

Hello..

McNair and Mason may have some history of pretty good chemistry - 3rd down/broken passing plays etc.

It is fair to say that he was had at good value - du eto last year he is on no ones radar.

Good line - experienced QB - solid D - solid WR/TE

tough division - injury history - somewhat bizarre coach

The upside is pretty good for a #3 RB

 

[mcjc4]

This is Brian Billick we're talking about right? 500 carries in his offensive mind? NEVER! He would get bored faster than the fans. Nobody thinks Brian is an offensive genius more than Brian, he has to believe with McNair at the helm he can do all the "great" things running around in his head.

 

[mbuehner]

Jamal's not hurt I live in Baltimore he's been dealing with a slight hip flexor since the beginning of camp.

 

[sholditch]

Jamal has looked pretty good in limited action

until he got hurt...

I really think people are looking at the the wrong way. Jamal was bothered by a hip flexor when he came into camp and they let him rest for a while. He performed well in the first two preseason games, presumably with that same injury hampering him. The ravens liked what they saw, recognized a chance to let him rest and fully get over hte minor injury, and they took it. The only thing to draw from this is that you might be able to get Lewis even later than before. When I took him in the 3.12 of a 14-teamer, people jumped all over it. I think Jamal could safely be had in the fifth now.

 

[mbuehner]

Here's the problem i have- when a guy like Brian Westbrook is in a similar situation he drops 10 draft slots. IE- a guy with a history of injuries gets a little banged up in preseason and then sat down which reminds us how grooling the NFL schedule is and how soon the nicks and bumps accumulate. But when it comes to Lewis... who by the doesnt have the versatility to contribute if he cant be a bruising runner... we are supposed to ignore the fact that he cant get through preseason without getting banged up. Now that certainly doesnt mean he couldnt play if he had to, but the point is there seems to be a high probability bordering on certainty that within a few regular season games, Lewis will have some nagging lower body injury. Now the question becomes, do you think he can live up to his draft slot playing hurt- because he will be playing hurt (or not playing at all).

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Here's the problem i have- when a guy like Brian Westbrook is in a similar situation he drops 10 draft slots. IE- a guy with a history of injuries gets a little banged up in preseason and then sat down which reminds us how grooling the NFL schedule is and how soon the nicks and bumps accumulate. But when it comes to Lewis... who by the doesnt have the versatility to contribute if he cant be a bruising runner... we are supposed to ignore the fact that he cant get through preseason without getting banged up. Now that certainly doesnt mean he couldnt play if he had to, but the point is there seems to be a high probability bordering on certainty that within a few regular season games, Lewis will have some nagging lower body injury. Now the question becomes, do you think he can live up to his draft slot playing hurt- because he will be playing hurt (or not playing at all).

I know lewis is an injury risk...but any back who runs for 2000 yards is worth that chance that he may,at 27 yo , recapture that drive to run hard. Like i said,he`s my 3rd rb..if he ,and the team,get it going this year look out...jamal will be the steal of the year.

 

[KevT]

RB # 3? Hell for those of us that are drafting 12th, he might be our #2 or possibly #1, depending on who we take in the first or second.

As for injury risk, he played in the first 2 preseason games with the hip flexor didn't he? I imagine it's something that he's willing to play through in a contract year. It's a risk I'm willing to take in the 3rd or 4th round. I wouldn't expect insane numbers but around 1200 yards rushing and 10 TDs or so isn't out of the question especially with the QB improvement. Lewis should stop seeing 8 in the box with McNair at the helm.

 

[mbuehner]

I think he's an acceptable risk if he falls far enough. He will be useful early on, and perhaps later if he misses some time and comes back fresh. I think he started out rated too low and now there has been some overcompensation. He's now going in the mid 3rd round in most drafts, which I think is way too high. The 5th round seems reasonable.

Its not so much that Lewis is an injury risk- as in he is more likely to pull a bicept or break a toe like a Foster or a CBrown seem to be. Its that Lewis is a power back, and his lower body cant take the pounding being asked of it for 16 games anymore. Likely because he has had some very traumatic injuries in his past which have caused increased stress on his entire lower body.

Recall what happened to Terrell Davis. One injury can lead to another and another, especially in backs with so much power in their legs that the stress on the system is tremendous.

 

[jevy]

Balt Rushing over the years under BB:

Year, Atts, Record, Atts by RB, %

2005, 452, 6-10, 397, 87.8

2004, 491, 9-7, 435, 88.5

2003, 553, 10-6, 478, 86.4

2002, 427, 7-9, 355, 83.1

2001, 427 483, 10-6 (No Lewis), 432, 89.4

2000, 511, 12-4, 463, 90.6

1999, 431, 8-8, 363, 84.2

In '05, Pit had the highest RB attempts at 483. In '04, Pit was #1 with 534.

The #2 teams had 473(04 NE) and 479(05 Dal) attempts.

I'll look back a few more years when I get a few moments.