Ray Rice Arrested In Atlantic City After Physical Altercation (1 Viewer)

[Workhorse]

Lot of people over-reacting like crazy in here, saying that his career is over and stuff. Rice is a huge POS wife beater, but there are tons of equal or worse criminals in the league. This will blow over and be forgotten by the general public long before camps open. Ben Roethlisberger raped multiple women and got four games off. Brandon Marshall is a serial wife beater, among other various arrests.

How many of them were caught on video?

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Isn't it more sexist not to hit a woman, because she's a woman? - Ders

 

[KCitons]

I still question why we have only seen the video from outside the elevator? Could it be because it paints a less than horrifying picture? As I mentioned, it could show the girl being the aggressor. And Rice hitting her with a punch that looks more like a defensive move and less like a Mike Tyson uppercut.

Looking at it from the standpoint of TMZ. Releasing the video from outside the elevator first (even if I have both videos) fans the flames of this story. Let the public use their imagination as to what happened before the elevator doors opened.

 

[voiceofunreason]

Assuming the video of him punching her and knocking her out exists:

I imagine Ray Rice's lawyers don't want a trial (or any other venue) where the video is shown.

I imagine the NFL doesn't want the video shown.

The video's going to come out long before any trial happens, IMO. Even if it didn't, the mere fact that it exists means Rice won't be going to trial. What would be the point? Going to get found not guilty when there's video evidence of you doing it?

Exactly. ZERO chance this goes to a trial. If there is video evidence of him hitting her, what exactly is he going to say in court? Even if she spit on him or hit him first, I'd find it hard to believe a jury wouldn't convict him since there is video of him knocking her out cold and then dragging her through the hotel.

There are multiple parts and each of them will play into the length of suspension and if Rice is cut.

1 - Not having seen the video from inside the elevator, we don't know what transpired to lead to Rice punching her. She was arrested as well. If she was punching him repeatedly, he would have nowhere to go in an elevator.

2 - We don't know what her BAC level was at this time. Could it have taken less physical contact to knock her out due to her drinking?

3 - This is the mother of his child and his fiance. I'm not sure about NJ law, but they may both drop the charges. After all, they are both losing $$ in this situation.

4 - While the NFL can suspend for 1st offenders of the Conduct Policy, Rice hasn't been in trouble with the league before. The three points above, would have a bearing on a suspension. Rice will look for the NFL to help him with a problem. Get him counseling and come out the other side a better person. It will all be for show, but it will keep Rice from getting a suspension.

I get the feeling that some are tacking on penalty because he knocked her out, or because a video exists. I think this will be another part of RIce's argument. He is a first time offender of domestic abuse. The NFL has years of history dealing with this.

I see a fine coming and maybe a 1 game suspension. This will be the actual punishment. Goodell may come out with a more severe punishment to satisfy the media. But Rice will appeal the suspension and get it reduced.

You are WAY underestimating the media feeding frenzy that will take place once this video is made public. There will be enormous public pressure on the league to come down very hard on Rice and Goodell's track record is to "Protect The Shield" at all costs. I'm guessing this will be an unprecedented suspension for domestic violence in order to make a statement.

I think the video is the key as well. Some people here don't seem to get it but the average person doesn't know anything about Brandon Marshall. When my parents see Rice knocking a woman out on CNN there will be a PR nightmare.

 

[BigJim®]

Lot of people over-reacting like crazy in here, saying that his career is over and stuff. Rice is a huge POS wife beater, but there are tons of equal or worse criminals in the league. This will blow over and be forgotten by the general public long before camps open. Ben Roethlisberger raped multiple women and got four games off. Brandon Marshall is a serial wife beater, among other various arrests.

Link to these convictions?

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Lot of people over-reacting like crazy in here, saying that his career is over and stuff. Rice is a huge POS wife beater, but there are tons of equal or worse criminals in the league. This will blow over and be forgotten by the general public long before camps open. Ben Roethlisberger raped multiple women and got four games off. Brandon Marshall is a serial wife beater, among other various arrests.

Link to these convictions?

Look, I bleed black & gold, so I'm not in here looking to bash, but he raped the 2nd girl for sure then paid her to go away. If nothing else, her BAC was way to high to give meaningful consent, and she was a star struck drunk college kid that he used his bodyguards to trap in the bathroom. I didn't find the first allegation particularly compelling at the time, but it looks much worse after the 2nd story came out. And that type of behavior isn't usually a one off "oops" type of deal. Ben's a great QB, but a colossal POS.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Lot of people over-reacting like crazy in here, saying that his career is over and stuff. Rice is a huge POS wife beater, but there are tons of equal or worse criminals in the league. This will blow over and be forgotten by the general public long before camps open. Ben Roethlisberger raped multiple women and got four games off. Brandon Marshall is a serial wife beater, among other various arrests.

Link to these convictions?

just think if there was video of Big Ben walking a stumbling girl to the bathroom? How would you feel

 

[BigJim®]

Lot of people over-reacting like crazy in here, saying that his career is over and stuff. Rice is a huge POS wife beater, but there are tons of equal or worse criminals in the league. This will blow over and be forgotten by the general public long before camps open. Ben Roethlisberger raped multiple women and got four games off. Brandon Marshall is a serial wife beater, among other various arrests.

Link to these convictions?

Look, I bleed black & gold, so I'm not in here looking to bash, but he raped the 2nd girl for sure then paid her to go away. If nothing else, her BAC was way to high to give meaningful consent, and she was a star struck drunk college kid that he used his bodyguards to trap in the bathroom. I didn't find the first allegation particularly compelling at the time, but it looks much worse after the 2nd story came out. And that type of behavior isn't usually a one off "oops" type of deal. Ben's a great QB, but a colossal POS.

So basically, you see no difference between the NFL's response to alleged crimes that are not prosecuted due to lack of evidence, and crimes captured on video which in all likelihood may result in conviction or plea agreement?

 

[Soulfly3]

It'll be more than 4 games. There may be a season lost here, or close to it... That's if the Ravens even want to associate with him

Sad, yes... but video evidence DOES make it worse.,... there's no hiding when theres video evidence. you cant maintain innocence when theres video... youre screwed.

I usually think the NFL will be lenient... in this case, no. not at all.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Lot of people over-reacting like crazy in here, saying that his career is over and stuff. Rice is a huge POS wife beater, but there are tons of equal or worse criminals in the league. This will blow over and be forgotten by the general public long before camps open. Ben Roethlisberger raped multiple women and got four games off. Brandon Marshall is a serial wife beater, among other various arrests.

Link to these convictions?

Look, I bleed black & gold, so I'm not in here looking to bash, but he raped the 2nd girl for sure then paid her to go away. If nothing else, her BAC was way to high to give meaningful consent, and she was a star struck drunk college kid that he used his bodyguards to trap in the bathroom. I didn't find the first allegation particularly compelling at the time, but it looks much worse after the 2nd story came out. And that type of behavior isn't usually a one off "oops" type of deal. Ben's a great QB, but a colossal POS.

So basically, you see no difference between the NFL's response to alleged crimes that are not prosecuted due to lack of evidence, and crimes captured on video which in all likelihood may result in conviction or plea agreement?

Rice is a first time domestic abuser (first time he got caught, anyway). I think he'll be dealt with much like any first time wife beater. The video hasn't been released yet, and while there will be a firestorm if it is, it will be brief -- the media will move on to the next outrage quickly. His career certainly isn't in jeopardy IMO. I'm no lawyer, but I'm guessing that there is a decent chance that the fiancée doesn't follow through on any charges, so he might not even get convicted of anything.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

I'm guessing that there is a decent chance that the fiancée doesn't follow through on any charges, so he might not even get convicted of anything.

Is that possible if there's video evidence of him knocking her out? Does she still have that option?

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I'm guessing that there is a decent chance that the fiancée doesn't follow through on any charges, so he might not even get convicted of anything.

Is that possible if there's video evidence of him knocking her out? Does she still have that option?

No idea honestly.

 

[Koya]

I'm guessing that there is a decent chance that the fiancée doesn't follow through on any charges, so he might not even get convicted of anything.

Is that possible if there's video evidence of him knocking her out? Does she still have that option?

No idea honestly.

Totally guessing here, but there may be other legal infractions that would not be just against her. So if say they could not pursue an assault charge, maybe there is public mayhem or disorderly conduct or something that would at least call for a legal proceeding, if not a chance to convict on anything as serious as the actual assault.

FWIW, this disgusts me. Rice WAS one of those "good guys" or so we thought. I'd prefer to never see him in a Raven's uniform again, even if he gets back to where he was a couple years back production wise.

ETA: Personally, I have more issue with this than with the Ray Lewis incident. Obviously the results and ramifications of the act were far worse in the Lewis case, but personally, I don't believe that he was involved with the act, though he certainly seems culpable of coming to his friends aid who did the attack. Not excusable, but different than the oversimplified "Ray Lewis is a murderer" stuff. That Rice would do this personally, unless there's something we just dont know (tough to accept with the video) is awful.

 

[KCitons]

I'm guessing that there is a decent chance that the fiancée doesn't follow through on any charges, so he might not even get convicted of anything.

Is that possible if there's video evidence of him knocking her out? Does she still have that option?

No idea honestly.

Totally guessing here, but there may be other legal infractions that would not be just against her. So if say they could not pursue an assault charge, maybe there is public mayhem or disorderly conduct or something that would at least call for a legal proceeding, if not a chance to convict on anything as serious as the actual assault.

FWIW, this disgusts me. Rice WAS one of those "good guys" or so we thought. I'd prefer to never see him in a Raven's uniform again, even if he gets back to where he was a couple years back production wise.

ETA: Personally, I have more issue with this than with the Ray Lewis incident. Obviously the results and ramifications of the act were far worse in the Lewis case, but personally, I don't believe that he was involved with the act, though he certainly seems culpable of coming to his friends aid who did the attack. Not excusable, but different than the oversimplified "Ray Lewis is a murderer" stuff. That Rice would do this personally, unless there's something we just dont know (tough to accept with the video) is awful.

Yes, let's not lose the basic fact here. Rice is a scumbag for hitting a woman. Even at worst case scenario, he's stuck in an elevator with a drunk and pissed off woman. She pummels him for a few seconds. The guy should be able to turn his back and absorb the blows. After all, he takes bigger hits every game day.

My discussion of suspension is based on how expect Rice's lawyers and the NFL to handle things.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I'm guessing that there is a decent chance that the fiancée doesn't follow through on any charges, so he might not even get convicted of anything.

Is that possible if there's video evidence of him knocking her out? Does she still have that option?

No idea honestly.

Totally guessing here, but there may be other legal infractions that would not be just against her. So if say they could not pursue an assault charge, maybe there is public mayhem or disorderly conduct or something that would at least call for a legal proceeding, if not a chance to convict on anything as serious as the actual assault.

FWIW, this disgusts me. Rice WAS one of those "good guys" or so we thought. I'd prefer to never see him in a Raven's uniform again, even if he gets back to where he was a couple years back production wise.

ETA: Personally, I have more issue with this than with the Ray Lewis incident. Obviously the results and ramifications of the act were far worse in the Lewis case, but personally, I don't believe that he was involved with the act, though he certainly seems culpable of coming to his friends aid who did the attack. Not excusable, but different than the oversimplified "Ray Lewis is a murderer" stuff. That Rice would do this personally, unless there's something we just dont know (tough to accept with the video) is awful.

Yes, let's not lose the basic fact here. Rice is a scumbag for hitting a woman. Even at worst case scenario, he's stuck in an elevator with a drunk and pissed off woman. She pummels him for a few seconds. The guy should be able to turn his back and absorb the blows. After all, he takes bigger hits every game day.My discussion of suspension is based on how expect Rice's lawyers and the NFL to handle things.

Totally agree that Rice is a POS -- and I highly doubt that this is the 1st time he's done something abusive -- just the 1st time he's been caught.

Just reminding folks that as yet, no video of him KTFOing her has surfaced publicly. And also, no matter what the league says, their actions paint a different picture as far as priorities. Pacman Jones climbed on stage and KTFO a random stripper along with a string of arrests longer than my arm and continued to draw a paycheck for years. If you can help put butts in the seats, the NFL doesn't give one single #### how many women you beat. It's sad, but it's true.

 

[fatness]

2 - We don't know what her BAC level was at this time. Could it have taken less physical contact to knock her out due to her drinking?

Did you seriously ask that? Do you really think making a "she only got knocked out when I hit her because she was so drunk" case is somehow helpful to Ray Rice?

 

[KCitons]

2 - We don't know what her BAC level was at this time. Could it have taken less physical contact to knock her out due to her drinking?

Did you seriously ask that? Do you really think making a "she only got knocked out when I hit her because she was so drunk" case is somehow helpful to Ray Rice?

yes. If you make the claim that her being knocked unconscious makes this case worse than any other domestic abuse case, then I think her BAC is relevant.

What if there is footage of the couple before they got on the elevator, showing her stumbling on her own? Or footage of her drinking heavily in the hours leading up to this incident. Some people already said that the footage outside the elevator looks like someone passing out from being drunk.

 

[Baeddel Moon]

2 - We don't know what her BAC level was at this time. Could it have taken less physical contact to knock her out due to her drinking?

Did you seriously ask that? Do you really think making a "she only got knocked out when I hit her because she was so drunk" case is somehow helpful to Ray Rice?

yes. If you make the claim that her being knocked unconscious makes this case worse than any other domestic abuse case, then I think her BAC is relevant.

What if there is footage of the couple before they got on the elevator, showing her stumbling on her own? Or footage of her drinking heavily in the hours leading up to this incident. Some people already said that the footage outside the elevator looks like someone passing out from being drunk.

I'm going to say this again, the police have the footage. It's protocol in many districts to take all the data from a recording device to stop people from doing exactly what was done here, leaking a bit of footage to try and garnish a reaction. We saw the video we did because of shoddy police work, and this kind of leak puts any case built against Rice in danger, on the basis of a mistrial.

 

[fatness]

2 - We don't know what her BAC level was at this time. Could it have taken less physical contact to knock her out due to her drinking?

Did you seriously ask that? Do you really think making a "she only got knocked out when I hit her because she was so drunk" case is somehow helpful to Ray Rice?

yes.

Good luck with the "my uppercut wouldn't have knocked out a sober person" defense.

 

[KCitons]

I'm going to say this again, the police have the footage. It's protocol in many districts to take all the data from a recording device to stop people from doing exactly what was done here, leaking a bit of footage to try and garnish a reaction. We saw the video we did because of shoddy police work, and this kind of leak puts any case built against Rice in danger, on the basis of a mistrial.

I hate to break it to you, but the police don't own the footage. I already mentioned that the footage resides on one of many DVR's in the casino security office. (and probably off site as well) It would take a court order to take full ownership of any video that belonged to a private casino. Based on what you are saying, the police are the ones that leaked the video from outside the elevator. Why would they do that?

Someone inside the casino security department took a payday and sold a copy of the video to TMZ.

 

[KCitons]

2 - We don't know what her BAC level was at this time. Could it have taken less physical contact to knock her out due to her drinking?

Did you seriously ask that? Do you really think making a "she only got knocked out when I hit her because she was so drunk" case is somehow helpful to Ray Rice?

yes.

Good luck

Thanks

 

[Da Guru]

I think we are going to see a Warren Moon type situation here. After Moon beat and choked his wife when she got to the stand all of a sudden she said "It was her fault, and that she provoked him" Seeing the end of the gravy train usually invokes a change of heart.

 

[Baeddel Moon]

Here's a reason they might not have access to the tape: the police took it for an investigation, seeing as both parties were arrested.

Security uses digital video (think DVR) these days, it's not like it used to be where there is only one VHS tape available. Also, if this was the case, they would have taken the footage from outside the elevator as well.

When complying with a search like the casino did, the police don't need a warrant to seize the evidence. The police take the hard drive with the data, and then the casino doesn't have it anymore. What I'm saying is that the officer did not collect all the data, just the ones in question for the investigation. As awful as the video is, Ray Rice isn't doing anything illegal in the TMZ leak. Probably should have been seized as well, but apparently they had enough as it was.

 

[KCitons]

Here's a reason they might not have access to the tape: the police took it for an investigation, seeing as both parties were arrested.

Security uses digital video (think DVR) these days, it's not like it used to be where there is only one VHS tape available. Also, if this was the case, they would have taken the footage from outside the elevator as well.

When complying with a search like the casino did, the police don't need a warrant to seize the evidence. The police take the hard drive with the data, and then the casino doesn't have it anymore. What I'm saying is that the officer did not collect all the data, just the ones in question for the investigation. As awful as the video is, Ray Rice isn't doing anything illegal in the TMZ leak. Probably should have been seized as well, but apparently they had enough as it was.

I disagree. There was no search, the casino is not the one at fault here. This is just an assault charge on two casino customers. It's not a murder case. While it may be higher profile because it's an NFL player, stuff happens all the time in casinos. The casino will also want to keep the video in case of any civil action.

So, the police don't take the entire hard drive. They burn either a DVD or a digital copy of the video to some type of external media. (USB drive, etc) These DVR's have export options to make copies for court. Not all recording devices use the same protocol. So the police would need to have equipment to read every hard drive, from every DVR ever made.

The police also have a copy of the video from outside the elevator, it's part of the case. I've prosecuted hundreds of people for shoplifting, in that time I have never had the police take the only piece of video evidence. Every company I've worked for has a policy of making a copy the video. (whether it was VHS in the old days, or a digital copy from the DVR today)

 

[KellysHeroes]

you know, Riley Cooper's use of the N word didn't become a big deal... until the video was shown. Then he was a racist.

 

[squistion]

you know, Riley Cooper's use of the N word didn't become a big deal... until the video was shown. Then he was a racist.

Probably because nobody knew about it until the video was shown.

 

[KellysHeroes]

you know, Riley Cooper's use of the N word didn't become a big deal... until the video was shown. Then he was a racist.

Probably because nobody knew about it until the video was shown.

Thats not true, my reaction (along with most people) when I 1st read the title of it on rotoworld was, "ok thats bad but is it really a big dea?". Then I saw the video and it was 10xs worse than when I simply read about it. You saw the anger in his face and the context on how it was used. I assure you, if there was no video on Cooper using the word the public outcry and media follow up wouldn't even have been half of what it turned out to be Same thing is going to happen to Rice if that video of him striker her and then her limp body falling to the floor is released.

 

[Gandalf]

The worst part is watching him just drag her around. Pick her up and put her on your shoulder dude. Come on...

 

[squistion]

you know, Riley Cooper's use of the N word didn't become a big deal... until the video was shown. Then he was a racist.

Probably because nobody knew about it until the video was shown.

Thats not true, my reaction (along with most people) when I 1st read the title of it on rotoworld was, "ok thats bad but is it really a big dea?". Then I saw the video and it was 10xs worse than when I simply read about it. You saw the anger in his face and the context on how it was used. I assure you, if there was no video on Cooper using the word the public outcry and media follow up wouldn't even have been half of what it turned out to be Same thing is going to happen to Rice if that video of him striker her and then her limp body falling to the floor is released.

But nobody read about it (or was even aware of it) until the video came out, which was my point. If there had been no video, there would have been no story. Not the case with Rice as he still was arrested and that is always news. Does the existence of a video make it worse? Of course, I wasn't contending that it didn't.

 

[KCitons]

Thats not true, my reaction (along with most people) when I 1st read the title of it on rotoworld was, "ok thats bad but is it really a big dea?". Then I saw the video and it was 10xs worse than when I simply read about it. You saw the anger in his face and the context on how it was used. I assure you, if there was no video on Cooper using the word the public outcry and media follow up wouldn't even have been half of what it turned out to be Same thing is going to happen to Rice if that video of him striker her and then her limp body falling to the floor is released.

How would you feel if Rice was standing on one side of the elevator and his fiance on the other. She takes a few steps towards him, spits in his face and starts hitting him multiple times. Rice swings once, connects and she falls unconscious?

If He wasn't the aggressor, and he was trapped in an environment that he couldn't walk away from, I think the video could paint a different picture. Keep in mind that the fiance was charged with assault as well.

 

[Tool]

Thats not true, my reaction (along with most people) when I 1st read the title of it on rotoworld was, "ok thats bad but is it really a big dea?". Then I saw the video and it was 10xs worse than when I simply read about it. You saw the anger in his face and the context on how it was used. I assure you, if there was no video on Cooper using the word the public outcry and media follow up wouldn't even have been half of what it turned out to be Same thing is going to happen to Rice if that video of him striker her and then her limp body falling to the floor is released.

How would you feel if Rice was standing on one side of the elevator and his fiance on the other. She takes a few steps towards him, spits in his face and starts hitting him multiple times. Rice swings once, connects and she falls unconscious?

If He wasn't the aggressor, and he was trapped in an environment that he couldn't walk away from, I think the video could paint a different picture. Keep in mind that the fiance was charged with assault as well.

Seriously dude? Unless he's dating the women's boxing champion, he could have wrapped her up, not knocked her unconscious.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Thats not true, my reaction (along with most people) when I 1st read the title of it on rotoworld was, "ok thats bad but is it really a big dea?". Then I saw the video and it was 10xs worse than when I simply read about it. You saw the anger in his face and the context on how it was used. I assure you, if there was no video on Cooper using the word the public outcry and media follow up wouldn't even have been half of what it turned out to be Same thing is going to happen to Rice if that video of him striker her and then her limp body falling to the floor is released.

How would you feel if Rice was standing on one side of the elevator and his fiance on the other. She takes a few steps towards him, spits in his face and starts hitting him multiple times. Rice swings once, connects and she falls unconscious?

If He wasn't the aggressor, and he was trapped in an environment that he couldn't walk away from, I think the video could paint a different picture. Keep in mind that the fiance was charged with assault as well.

Seriously dude? Unless he's dating the women's boxing champion, he could have wrapped her up, not knocked her unconscious.

Hes a professional football player, hes 220 w/ under 10% bodyfat, he takes clubbering hits for a living. I don't care Rousey stepped up and started swinging at him, theres about a 100 ways it could of be handle besides curling up your fist and hitting her in the face. I sure all of us men have been attacked by our partners one time or another, it happens. I can speak for myself and say hitting back was never an option. Big part of it because its wrong and little part because I knew that I would be the one in trouble. Its just shameful.

 

[KCitons]

Thats not true, my reaction (along with most people) when I 1st read the title of it on rotoworld was, "ok thats bad but is it really a big dea?". Then I saw the video and it was 10xs worse than when I simply read about it. You saw the anger in his face and the context on how it was used. I assure you, if there was no video on Cooper using the word the public outcry and media follow up wouldn't even have been half of what it turned out to be Same thing is going to happen to Rice if that video of him striker her and then her limp body falling to the floor is released.

How would you feel if Rice was standing on one side of the elevator and his fiance on the other. She takes a few steps towards him, spits in his face and starts hitting him multiple times. Rice swings once, connects and she falls unconscious?

If He wasn't the aggressor, and he was trapped in an environment that he couldn't walk away from, I think the video could paint a different picture. Keep in mind that the fiance was charged with assault as well.

Seriously dude? Unless he's dating the women's boxing champion, he could have wrapped her up, not knocked her unconscious.

I'm not condoning what Rice did. I'm looking at this strictly from a legal standpoint and the standpoint of a Rice's attorney/agent.

 

[Gandalf]

Thats not true, my reaction (along with most people) when I 1st read the title of it on rotoworld was, "ok thats bad but is it really a big dea?". Then I saw the video and it was 10xs worse than when I simply read about it. You saw the anger in his face and the context on how it was used. I assure you, if there was no video on Cooper using the word the public outcry and media follow up wouldn't even have been half of what it turned out to be Same thing is going to happen to Rice if that video of him striker her and then her limp body falling to the floor is released.

How would you feel if Rice was standing on one side of the elevator and his fiance on the other. She takes a few steps towards him, spits in his face and starts hitting him multiple times. Rice swings once, connects and she falls unconscious?If He wasn't the aggressor, and he was trapped in an environment that he couldn't walk away from, I think the video could paint a different picture. Keep in mind that the fiance was charged with assault as well.

I'll tell you how I would feel. Pick her the heck up and carry her. Whoever was at fault, she should not be on the ground being dragged out of the elevator like she isn't human. It's disgusting to watch.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Thats not true, my reaction (along with most people) when I 1st read the title of it on rotoworld was, "ok thats bad but is it really a big dea?". Then I saw the video and it was 10xs worse than when I simply read about it. You saw the anger in his face and the context on how it was used. I assure you, if there was no video on Cooper using the word the public outcry and media follow up wouldn't even have been half of what it turned out to be Same thing is going to happen to Rice if that video of him striker her and then her limp body falling to the floor is released.

How would you feel if Rice was standing on one side of the elevator and his fiance on the other. She takes a few steps towards him, spits in his face and starts hitting him multiple times. Rice swings once, connects and she falls unconscious?

If He wasn't the aggressor, and he was trapped in an environment that he couldn't walk away from, I think the video could paint a different picture. Keep in mind that the fiance was charged with assault as well.

Seriously dude? Unless he's dating the women's boxing champion, he could have wrapped her up, not knocked her unconscious.

I'm not condoning what Rice did. I'm looking at this strictly from a legal standpoint and the standpoint of a Rice's attorney/agent.

I see the point your making. You can make try to make him the victim, you can say he was protecting himself or he had a mental lapse for the 1st time in his life... doesn't matter, in this day and age a man hitting a woman is seen as wrong and sinful to the general public. And this comes on the heels of and even more distrubing situation with Sharper. Rice is squeeky clean prior to this and maybe it was just a mental lapse but hes still going to pay for it.

 

[CapnJB]

At least he didn't yell at another guy like that thug Sherman! Otherwise the media would be going cray cray.

 

[Courtjester]

Thats not true, my reaction (along with most people) when I 1st read the title of it on rotoworld was, "ok thats bad but is it really a big dea?". Then I saw the video and it was 10xs worse than when I simply read about it. You saw the anger in his face and the context on how it was used. I assure you, if there was no video on Cooper using the word the public outcry and media follow up wouldn't even have been half of what it turned out to be Same thing is going to happen to Rice if that video of him striker her and then her limp body falling to the floor is released.

How would you feel if Rice was standing on one side of the elevator and his fiance on the other. She takes a few steps towards him, spits in his face and starts hitting him multiple times. Rice swings once, connects and she falls unconscious?

If He wasn't the aggressor, and he was trapped in an environment that he couldn't walk away from, I think the video could paint a different picture. Keep in mind that the fiance was charged with assault as well.

This is exactly what Rice's defense will be. This is a cross-complaint DV case, where both sides will protect the other and it will be resolved quietly. Rice gets a token 1 game suspension and he does community service hours and then continues to ruin all our fantasy teams.

 

[az_prof]

Thats not true, my reaction (along with most people) when I 1st read the title of it on rotoworld was, "ok thats bad but is it really a big dea?". Then I saw the video and it was 10xs worse than when I simply read about it. You saw the anger in his face and the context on how it was used. I assure you, if there was no video on Cooper using the word the public outcry and media follow up wouldn't even have been half of what it turned out to be Same thing is going to happen to Rice if that video of him striker her and then her limp body falling to the floor is released.

How would you feel if Rice was standing on one side of the elevator and his fiance on the other. She takes a few steps towards him, spits in his face and starts hitting him multiple times. Rice swings once, connects and she falls unconscious?

If He wasn't the aggressor, and he was trapped in an environment that he couldn't walk away from, I think the video could paint a different picture. Keep in mind that the fiance was charged with assault as well.

This is exactly what Rice's defense will be. This is a cross-complaint DV case, where both sides will protect the other and it will be resolved quietly. Rice gets a token 1 game suspension and he does community service hours and then continues to ruin all our fantasy teams.

Normally this is how these thins go. But in this case I don't think she can protect him because there is video and ample witness testimony. This doesn't rely on a he said she said to convict. The DA can bring this to trial without either party filing charges or testifying against the other.

 

[ClownDogs]

Yea, cause a star NFL running back had to knock out his girl cause he was "threatened" in an elevator.

I don't care if she connected with a right hook and broke his nose, any human with a somewhat good upbringing knows not to hit a women, plain and simple.

He is a DECENT SIZE MALE, if he was "threatened" and "cornered", are you seriously gonna tell me he couldn't grab her, the doors open, push her back and walk away?

 

[KCitons]

Yea, cause a star NFL running back had to knock out his girl cause he was "threatened" in an elevator.

I don't care if she connected with a right hook and broke his nose, any human with a somewhat good upbringing knows not to hit a women, plain and simple.

He is a DECENT SIZE MALE, if he was "threatened" and "cornered", are you seriously gonna tell me he couldn't grab her, the doors open, push her back and walk away?

Based on this, I should be able to punch any NFL player (or any person that is 25% larger than me) and he should not be able to defend himself physically? If there was video of some idiot spitting on, and then hitting Rice in a casino elevator, followed by Rice knocking him out; most would agree the idiot had it coming and Rice was not at fault.

I think people are confusing the moral issue if hitting a woman, with the legal issue of reasonable self defense.

 

[fatness]

I'm not condoning what Rice did. I'm looking at this strictly from a legal standpoint and the standpoint of a Rice's attorney/agent.

OK Mr. defense attorney/agent, let's see some film of Rice crashing into linebackers. Then let's see some game film of his girlfriend crashing into linebackers. That should help.

 

[Tool]

Yea, cause a star NFL running back had to knock out his girl cause he was "threatened" in an elevator.

I don't care if she connected with a right hook and broke his nose, any human with a somewhat good upbringing knows not to hit a women, plain and simple.

He is a DECENT SIZE MALE, if he was "threatened" and "cornered", are you seriously gonna tell me he couldn't grab her, the doors open, push her back and walk away?

Based on this, I should be able to punch any NFL player (or any person that is 25% larger than me) and he should not be able to defend himself physically? If there was video of some idiot spitting on, and then hitting Rice in a casino elevator, followed by Rice knocking him out; most would agree the idiot had it coming and Rice was not at fault.

I think people are confusing the moral issue if hitting a woman, with the legal issue of reasonable self defense.

I'm not a lawyer but i would think that he would really have to show he felt severely threatened to warrant that type of "self-defense". I'm not sure what the bar is for slugging a woman into unconsciousness, but i would think it would be pretty high. Also the legal implications and what the league hands down could be different.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

I'm not condoning what Rice did. I'm looking at this strictly from a legal standpoint and the standpoint of a Rice's attorney/agent.

OK Mr. defense attorney/agent, let's see some film of Rice crashing into linebackers. Then let's see some game film of his girlfriend crashing into linebackers. That should help.

She won a gold medal in judo, does that help?

 

[KCitons]

Yea, cause a star NFL running back had to knock out his girl cause he was "threatened" in an elevator.

I don't care if she connected with a right hook and broke his nose, any human with a somewhat good upbringing knows not to hit a women, plain and simple.

He is a DECENT SIZE MALE, if he was "threatened" and "cornered", are you seriously gonna tell me he couldn't grab her, the doors open, push her back and walk away?

Based on this, I should be able to punch any NFL player (or any person that is 25% larger than me) and he should not be able to defend himself physically? If there was video of some idiot spitting on, and then hitting Rice in a casino elevator, followed by Rice knocking him out; most would agree the idiot had it coming and Rice was not at fault.

I think people are confusing the moral issue if hitting a woman, with the legal issue of reasonable self defense.

I'm not a lawyer but i would think that he would really have to show he felt severely threatened to warrant that type of "self-defense". I'm not sure what the bar is for slugging a woman into unconsciousness, but i would think it would be pretty high. Also the legal implications and what the league hands down could be different.

You guys keep looking at this from an emotional standpoint. When you say slugging a woman into unconsciousness, sounds like he hit her repeatedly. Witnesses stated that he hit her with an uppercut.

Again, just a scenario, but what if she spits on him and is slapping him, he's covering himself just waiting for the elevator door to open so he can walk away. She realizes she's not doing any damage, so she takes a shot at his groin, he reacts with a quick uppercut and knocks her out.

 

[KCitons]

I'm not condoning what Rice did. I'm looking at this strictly from a legal standpoint and the standpoint of a Rice's attorney/agent.

OK Mr. defense attorney/agent, let's see some film of Rice crashing into linebackers. Then let's see some game film of his girlfriend crashing into linebackers. That should help.

So, from now on, when anyone sees a football player out in public, we should run up to them and tackle them. I can't wait to start taking out some ACL's. (Because going for the head would be wrong)

 

[ClownDogs]

Yea, cause a star NFL running back had to knock out his girl cause he was "threatened" in an elevator.

I don't care if she connected with a right hook and broke his nose, any human with a somewhat good upbringing knows not to hit a women, plain and simple.

He is a DECENT SIZE MALE, if he was "threatened" and "cornered", are you seriously gonna tell me he couldn't grab her, the doors open, push her back and walk away?

Based on this, I should be able to punch any NFL player (or any person that is 25% larger than me) and he should not be able to defend himself physically? If there was video of some idiot spitting on, and then hitting Rice in a casino elevator, followed by Rice knocking him out; most would agree the idiot had it coming and Rice was not at fault.

I think people are confusing the moral issue if hitting a woman, with the legal issue of reasonable self defense.

Yea, exactly what i said, go punch a NFL player. You don't hit a woman, pretty simple imo. Is that a moral issue? Sure. Just find it hard to believe a man of his stature is threatened by a much smaller woman. This is about a man hitting a women, not YOU punching another man.

If a man did this to him, EVERYONE knows it is a different story, not gonna argue that.

Hitting a women just shows what type of person you are, plain and simple. And stop with the "self defense" issue, i have NEVER been threatened by a women and felt like i needed to uppercut her to "defend" myself.

 

[cstu]

He’s the fifth-shortest player in the NFL

I'm just sayin...

 

[fatness]

Again, just a scenario, but what if she spits on him and is slapping him, he's covering himself just waiting for the elevator door to open so he can walk away. She realizes she's not doing any damage, so she takes a shot at his groin, he reacts with a quick uppercut and knocks her out.

What if he hit her, knocked her out, there was a witness, the police reported that he knocked her out, and then he dragged her unconscious out of the elevator across the floor until someone stopped him? I know that's a far-fetched scenario, and all your speculation will probably carry the day, but what it that's what really happened?

You keep looking at this from a make-up-possible-excuses standpoint.

 

[avoiding injuries]

Sports talk radio in Baltimore last week:

"I don't condone hitting women, but..."

"We haven't seen the whole tape, what she did to provoke him."

"It was 2am. What do you think happens at that time of the night?"

"You don't EVER spit on someone."

 

[KCitons]

Yea, exactly what i said, go punch a NFL player. You don't hit a woman, pretty simple imo. Is that a moral issue? Sure. Just find it hard to believe a man of his stature is threatened by a much smaller woman. This is about a man hitting a women, not YOU punching another man.


If a man did this to him, EVERYONE knows it is a different story, not gonna argue that.

Hitting a women just shows what type of person you are, plain and simple. And stop with the "self defense" issue, i have NEVER been threatened by a women and felt like i needed to uppercut her to "defend" myself.

Yes, you don't hit a woman. Now take it a step farther, you shouldn't hit anyone. That's the law, not a moral issue. It doesn't matter what gender you mix and match, it all ends with an assault charge.

Again, just a scenario, but what if she spits on him and is slapping him, he's covering himself just waiting for the elevator door to open so he can walk away. She realizes she's not doing any damage, so she takes a shot at his groin, he reacts with a quick uppercut and knocks her out.

What if he hit her, knocked her out, there was a witness, the police reported that he knocked her out, and then he dragged her unconscious out of the elevator across the floor until someone stopped him? I know that's a far-fetched scenario, and all your speculation will probably carry the day, but what it that's what really happened?

You keep looking at this from a make-up-possible-excuses standpoint.

Isn't that exactly what you are doing also? We don't know what happened before the elevator doors opened. People here are posting that he is going get a long suspension and that the Ravens are going to cut him. Those are worst case scenarios as well.

I've said he is going to get a fine, maybe a one game suspension, and the Ravens can't cut him due to the cap hit. All the scenario talk is in response to those that think I'm wrong, and that can't fathom a way this could happen. Strictly because he punched a woman.

We've seen one video and we have some of the Police report. We know both parties hit each other, we know the fiance was knocked unconscious due to Rice striking her with his hand. The thing I can't figure out is where is this witness? It's assumed this altercation took place on the elevator, but nobody else gets off the elevator?