False Start
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From Rotoworld:
Is ANYONE on her side now? No one better have sympathy for her as she must crave getting slapped around.
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Ray Rice Arrested In Atlantic City After Physical Altercation (1 Viewer)
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fatness
Footballguy
I'm sure the court will take your post into account in its public opinion polling which it uses to determine case outcomes.
False Start
Footballguy
I'm also sure many people will take your point of view and not have an opinion on this case, oh wait, I have an 8 page thread that disputes your claim that others are allowed to have an opinion on this topic.
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B-Deep
Footballguy
that's kind of a sick post, borders on "she gets what she deserves"
From Rotoworld:
Is ANYONE on her side now? No one better have sympathy for her as she must crave getting slapped around.
victims in abusive relationships should walk away but do not always do so. The presence of a child complicates it more. I am as sickened as anyone that she would choose to marry someone who did that to her, but we do not know what all is going on. So yes, I still have sympathy for her. Obviously she has some serious issues.
KCitons
Footballguy
I'm not on either side. Just discussing the likelihood of scenarios. But, even by my standards, this statement is wrong.
From Rotoworld:
Is ANYONE on her side now? No one better have sympathy for her as she must crave getting slapped around.
fatness
Footballguy
I'm pretty sure that few people will take your view that she craves being slapped around.
False Start
Footballguy
She married a man who kicked her and dragged her on camera for all the world to see after the fact, more will agree with me than you think. I don't sympathize with people like that. I don't think women should be hit, but I dont sympathize with the ones that marry the men who beat them after the fact, I'll leave that for sensitive people like you. I from the beginning said this case should be sorted out in court, that has nothing to do with my not sympathizing with a woman marrying a man who abused her on camera. But decipher as you will.
fatness
Footballguy
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
cstu
Footballguy
Ray Rice can slap me around for a few million dollars. If she didn't sign a pre-nup that's what she could be getting soon.that's kind of a sick post, borders on "she gets what she deserves"
From Rotoworld:
Is ANYONE on her side now? No one better have sympathy for her as she must crave getting slapped around.
victims in abusive relationships should walk away but do not always do so. The presence of a child complicates it more. I am as sickened as anyone that she would choose to marry someone who did that to her, but we do not know what all is going on. So yes, I still have sympathy for her. Obviously she has some serious issues.
KCitons
Footballguy
Ray Rice will avoid trial on assault charges after being accepted into a pretrial-intervention program.
The charges against Rice will be formally dropped upon completion of the program. The arrest will remain on his record, but with no conviction. It's the best-case scenario after Rice was caught on film dragging his fiancée (and now wife) by her hair through an Atlantic City casino after he allegedly knocked her out. Rice is still facing a potential suspension from the league, but it's unlikely to be lengthy.
-- Per Rotoworld
The charges against Rice will be formally dropped upon completion of the program. The arrest will remain on his record, but with no conviction. It's the best-case scenario after Rice was caught on film dragging his fiancée (and now wife) by her hair through an Atlantic City casino after he allegedly knocked her out. Rice is still facing a potential suspension from the league, but it's unlikely to be lengthy.
-- Per Rotoworld
William Munny
Footballguy
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
what a joke
Bamac
Footballguy
Just so you know, this has nothing to do with his fame. I could tell you some negotiated sentences that would make you throw your computer through a window.He didn't just grab, push, or even slap her.
He knocked her completely unconscious.
Pretrial Intervention Program?!?!
Are you ####### kidding me?!?!?!?!?!?!
smdh.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
I don't doubt it but you'd think having it on video would put a little more teeth into the sentencing.Just so you know, this has nothing to do with his fame. I could tell you some negotiated sentences that would make you throw your computer through a window.He didn't just grab, push, or even slap her.
He knocked her completely unconscious.
Pretrial Intervention Program?!?!
Are you ####### kidding me?!?!?!?!?!?!
smdh.
Has anyone seen the video? Did he sucker punch her out of nowhere? Or were they both drunk and arguing, she starts slapping and hitting him and he pushed her off too hard and she smacked her head into the elevator wall?I don't doubt it but you'd think having it on video would put a little more teeth into the sentencing.Just so you know, this has nothing to do with his fame. I could tell you some negotiated sentences that would make you throw your computer through a window.He didn't just grab, push, or even slap her.
He knocked her completely unconscious.
Pretrial Intervention Program?!?!
Are you ####### kidding me?!?!?!?!?!?!
smdh.
Not that knocking out a woman is ever acceptable, but there's a difference between malicious behavior and stupid behavior. We still don't know enough to judge. I would hope the actual judge made the correct call after having been presented all of the evidence.
Touchdown There
Footballguy
The reason they dropped the charges is because of the video in the elevator. Of course the prosecutor viewed it before dropping the charges. Media does not want to air it or do not have a copy of it.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
True.
You would think that he would at the very least get a Roethlisberger-type suspension (6 games, reduced to 4) but then again Roethlisberger was never charged or arrested where as Rice was. However the NFL is so damned inconsistent with their punishments that Rice could get 1 or 2 games or even nothing at all.
You just never know with Goodell.
az_prof
Footballguy
Big Ben had a previous sexual harassment charge that had been made public. So, I think the recurrence of the same type of issue played a role in his punishment.Godsbrother said:
I suspect that Rice will get 2 games because the charges were dropped. It isn't right or fair, but that seems consistent with a first time offense. They may not punish him at all to be honest because typically they don't if there are no charges. Big Ben was a unique situation where they punished him eventhough Ben was never formally charged. But again, it was a second time issue in his case.
I agree with this. I'm thinking it ends up 1-2 game suspension. There is no way he is getting over 4 games on a 1st offense with no conviction.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
There was a civil suit pending against Roethlisberger but it did not involve the police at all. In neither case was Roethlisberger charged or arrested.
On the other hand Rice was arrested and charged and then indicted by a grand jury. There is also a video that has been made public showing him dragging her unconscious body at a casino.
I am not sure how the NFL can rationalize not giving Rice a suspension but then again they didn't suspend Ray Lewis when he was indicted for murder so perhaps you are right.
az_prof
Footballguy
Thanks for the correction. The point was that there had been a previous case of alleged wrong doing for the same charge and the perception seemed to be pretty clear that he had had improper relations with that girl in Georgia. Ray Rice has a squeaky clean image and history so that should factor to his advantage.
Riffraff
Footballguy
I assume there will be a suspension, probably light. And the main reason for the suspension will be that the game checks will be donated to a battered person foundation. It's a way to say that what happened is not good for the league and also to show support to the foundation's cause. The league will make a positive image move. IMO
Ksquared
Footballguy
Something everyone should start being aware of on Goodell handing down suspensions. He came in and laid the law down with swift punishments (sometimes not waiting for the legal process). But since Bountygate - you will notice there has not been one suspension I am aware of that has not run its legal course before he handed down any type of punishment. Look at M Lynch and his DUI - the legal process is still going on and no punishment has been handed down.
I am not sure if Goodell came into the Commissioner's seat like a substitute coming into an out of control classroom - lay the law down swiftly allowing you to be more lenient later on or some of the fall out of the Bountygate process and how it went sideways.
Which ever it is, I don't think you will see punishment (especially of first time offenders) until any legal process has been completed.
I am not sure if Goodell came into the Commissioner's seat like a substitute coming into an out of control classroom - lay the law down swiftly allowing you to be more lenient later on or some of the fall out of the Bountygate process and how it went sideways.
Which ever it is, I don't think you will see punishment (especially of first time offenders) until any legal process has been completed.
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Mr Non Sequitur
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And this is how you start to try and make things right. If you have not watched the press conference he held today, I would highly recommend you watch. Understand that most of his teammates were there waiting to support him in solidarity after this press conference. It was powerful and while you cannot condone what he did, you can ask exercise the right to forgive. I think Ray Rice is well on his way to getting his life on track and I believe he will make 2014 a special one when that suspension is over.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24644733/ray-rice-says-altercation-with-wife-my-lowest-low-i-made-huge-mistake
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24644733/ray-rice-says-altercation-with-wife-my-lowest-low-i-made-huge-mistake
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maxwelledison
Footballguy
I get that and I'm on board with forgiveness but he should have been suspended for at least a year. His conduct was reprehensible and if the league wants to protect "The Shield" this is a prime opportunity.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
People are getting a little nutty with this.wdcrob said:
Somehow a lot of people think Rice should get as much or more punishment than Donte Stallworth got for getting boozed up and KILLING someone with his car? This seems like a bizarre line of reasoning imo.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
I think Rice got off light, but it's a step forward and at least establishes the baseline that wife and GF beaters can expect something to happen to them. Though a mid-six-figure fine is still somewhat hefty.
But if Goodell had thrown the book at him in a precedent-busting way (like he did, say, when a team continued a bounty program after being told to knock it off) all we'd have heard about was how the Tyrant Goodell had too much power.
Mr Non Sequitur
Footballguy
The video is what separates this. How many videos do you have of NFL players beating their wives? Women/fans have seen a woman he has known since he was a kid...I'm not gonna retell it all.wdcrob said:
I would have liked a longer sentence as well but I also can appreciate that he is trying to be a man and take responsibility. We hold these young men and that's what they are, to such a high level of scrutiny, I didn't have much wisdom in my 20s and likely still don't but I'm not sure what you can ask Rice to do at this point. He is IMO going after this as hard as Vick did with dog advocacy coming out of prison. I believe some folks feel that's where Rice should be. I can't weigh in on that, just trying to deal with the reality of his 2 game suspension and the likelihood come Week 3 that he will se a lot of touches with a chip on his shoulder.
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fatness
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KellysHeroes
Footballguy
called it, Rice got a slap on the wrist until the real video leaks... then the NFL raises their hands and claims they didn't know while executing Rice.
fatness
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Peyton Marino
Footballguy
0 % chance Pats sign him. After Hernandez, they're staying clear of players like this. Clayton's a good reporter but he's wrong on this one.
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