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Ray Rice Arrested In Atlantic City After Physical Altercation (1 Viewer)
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KellysHeroes
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Really no point fir a team to sign him prior to any injury. Once theres an significant injury he'll be more welcomed
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Responded Kraft: "OK, I don't want to get in the role of law enforcement or things I don't understand. It's just -- the good news is, people did the right thing. When you see that visually, it's just such a turnoff, and I hope a great lesson to people everywhere that this isn't going to be tolerated."
As for Rice's future in the league -- he's been indefinitely suspended by the NFL, so it's not like he's a free agent who could play right away if another team signed him -- Kraft wasn't optimistic.
"Well, I don't think he will play another NFL game," Kraft said. "I would be shocked if some team would pick him up."
Could the Patriots be one of those teams?
Said Kraft: "No."
The Detroit Lions have no interest in taking on former Baltimore Ravens running back Ray Rice, head coach Jim Caldwell said Wednesday at the NFL owners meetings.
“I don’t foresee that, to make it plain and simple,” said Caldwell, who coached in Baltimore before he came to Detroit. “We certainly do know him and got to know him when we were there, and I think at some point in time, like I’ve mentioned before, somebody will probably give him a second chance.”
Unless something changes, the Lions will not be the team to do so.
“I just don’t see it,” Caldwell said. “There has to be a need and a fit in all areas, and at this point in time he’s not a fit for us.”
Ray Rice discusses 'unique' comeback attempt, cites public opinion:
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/13377904/ray-rice-discusses-unique-comeback-attempt-cites-public-opinion
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/13377904/ray-rice-discusses-unique-comeback-attempt-cites-public-opinion
Pettine: Browns have discussed signing Ray Rice
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000508768/article/pettine-browns-have-discussed-signing-ray-rice
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000508768/article/pettine-browns-have-discussed-signing-ray-rice
bostonfred
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DropKick
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Fireinside
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After Vick got a chance I'm really surprised this kid hasn't?
It only takes one... hopefully it will happen sooner than later!
It only takes one... hopefully it will happen sooner than later!
3.1 ypr is why he's not in a camp,any team that does bring him in is giving a signal they're not thrilled with their current RB's
dmac37
Footballguy
I think it is premature to call Rice done yet. Two years ago the entire Raven running game was a disaster not just Rice and he was playing through a hip injury. It is crazy that a few of these RB needy teams don't bring him in at the minimum to at least see if he has something left.Rubi said:
dschuler
Footballguy
Fireinside
Footballguy
The guys he played had even worse avg and he was injured during that time. Now healthy with fresher legs I will guarantee he is better option than C.J
hedzookeeper
Footballguy
i picked him up in a couple leagues... my thought process for the speculative add was
1) he's saying all the right things, has paid his price
2) getting some media play in some non-football outlets (PR people behind the scenes)
3) ADP is back
4) Deflategate will give an owner/the league a modicum of cover
5) An owner will take a chance with a 1 year prove it contract (and both Rice and Owner will make charitable contributions)
just a WAG, but can see it happening within 10 days. Not sure I see CLE with Johnson... but DAL or NE, more specifically Jerry or Kraft
1) he's saying all the right things, has paid his price
2) getting some media play in some non-football outlets (PR people behind the scenes)
3) ADP is back
4) Deflategate will give an owner/the league a modicum of cover
5) An owner will take a chance with a 1 year prove it contract (and both Rice and Owner will make charitable contributions)
just a WAG, but can see it happening within 10 days. Not sure I see CLE with Johnson... but DAL or NE, more specifically Jerry or Kraft
dschuler
Footballguy
Ray Rice average 3.1 YPC his last season. That is beyond bad.
Chris Johnson averaged 4.3 YPC with the Jets.
Chris Johnson has a higher career YPC average.
Casting Couch
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The Ray Rice hype boggles the mind. This guy is done. He has very little left in the tank.
dschuler
Footballguy
I still think Harbaugh was relieved in a way when the Rice incident happen because it made it easy to cut him. He was already on his way out the door in Baltimore, splitting carries and performing noticebly worse than the other RBs on the team.
Jimmy Haslam OK with Browns adding Ray Rice; GM calls talk 'premature'
http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/14850/haslam-ok-with-browns-adding-ray-rice-but-nothing-imminent
http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/14850/haslam-ok-with-browns-adding-ray-rice-but-nothing-imminent
trader jake
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Um, no it's not. Ray Rice didn't look great in his last full season but let's not keep repeating this tired line of rationalization.His ridiculously poor decision was captured on video, replayed ad nauseam, and he became more of an issue than a player. That's why he's still on the outside looking in right now. Not sure what he has left but I hope he gets another NFL opportunity.
Jack White
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Fireinside
Footballguy
Kind of giving up too...
not saying he's not good enough to play, but he's too much of risk for owners at the moment.
Injuries would have to be brutal to team take contact on Rise. And when Texans didn't, I guess that was it.
not saying he's not good enough to play, but he's too much of risk for owners at the moment.
Injuries would have to be brutal to team take contact on Rise. And when Texans didn't, I guess that was it.
Shutout
Footballguy
no. We live in a country of 2nd (and sometimes 3rd) chances. While everyone's perception differs on what they consider bad, worse, and heinous behavior, it is fact that there are other NFL players who have done similar things, assaults, child endangerment, drugs, driving under the influence of alcohol, etc. I think one player actually killed a pedestrian while drinking and then played again (Stallworth?).
So, at some point, unless it is just an extremely sensitive subject to you personally, you probably get tot a point where you're wanting to let a guy get back to earning a living if he has something to contribute.
I often wonder, myself, if I am quicker to move on when it is a RB because I understand that every year they sit out is like 5-6 years for you and me working. If it were a LB or QB would I be ok if he sat another year? For me, personally, I think I don't believe Ray Rice went from being as good as he was to Shaun Alexander as quickly as a lot of people say. I think he played injured and I know the Ravens line wasn't great that last year he played. So, for me, I just want confirmation, one way or the other, whether or not he can still play as well as he did and the only way I can see that is if he gets back on a team. So I want him to come back.
Chaka
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I absolutely agree. It seems to me that regardless of "shoulds" Rice is radioactive. A very vocal portion of people seem to be willing to shout and protest so loudly that it continues to scare away any and all potential suitors. I found it very telling that Pierre Thomas got a look in Houston but nothing for Rice.
It's a bummer because I think he is a better person today and I don't think he is going to get a chance to publicly (as in on a national stage) demonstrate that.
maxwelledison
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From everything I've read Rice has shown genuine contrition and remorse. As despicable as his act was he didn't do anything that is irreversible and I think he deserves a second chance.
cstu
Footballguy
Him not being signed is more about the perceived level of his remaining talent than anything.
Touchdown There
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TripItUp
Footballguy
This is part of it...the lawsuit that he won against the Ravens did not do him any favors with league ownership.
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mozzy84
Footballguy
Exactly, if he was really good someone would pick him up. If I was a GM I wouldn't want to deal with the hassle when I could find someone just as good without the baggage...
maxwelledison
Footballguy
This may be true. It also may not be true. And although I lack firsthand knowledge of NFL owners' conversations, I do find it hard to believe that the lack of interest is all about his perceived remaining football value.
bigmarc27
Footballguy
It's both.
He's not an exceptional talent anymore so why take on the distraction/publicity. There's maybe 3 RBs that could come back from this kind of thing.
Shutout
Footballguy
The next RB signed off the street that is as good as Ray Rice will be the first.
I mean, seriously, Ray Rice is sitting out there. A 27/28 year old Ray Rice who is as proven as they come and has not taken a pounding for a year and RB-needy teams are signing UDFAs and things named Fozzy and 30 year olds who had gun shot wounds recently?
There is more to this than simple "perceived talent loss". Even guys who we ALL know are done get called in to have a workout. Rice hasn't. Other than the obvious elephant scenario sitting in the room, the ONLY thing Rice has against him is one singular down year in the NFL which is widely believed to be partly due to injuries undisclosed and a known deficiency of the team's o-line. Every RB has had an off year.
I don't KNOW if he is done or not but I do know it has more to do with than simple talent evaluation at this stage of his career. To suggest otherwise is foolish...almost as foolish as he could make 31 teams look should one good team actually have the gonads to call him in. If Jerry Jones swallows a shot of courage/whiskey, etc and would pull the trigger here, I say there is at least a 50/50 chance the Cowboys GREATLY improve their running game this year.
maxwelledison
Footballguy
I agree. And I understand why teams are reluctant to sign him. All I'm saying is that it sounds like he's genuinely tried to become a better person and I respect that. If he can't play he can't play but let's not pretend that this is solely a football related decision.
If he doesn't get a shot w/Buffalo, I don't think he'll get another one. They need a body, at least, to run in practice & pre-season games. If they won't give him a chance, who will?
Hoot McGoot
Footballguy
Fingers crossed! Like said above, this has to be the one shot he gets unless another teams core is decimated.
TripItUp
Footballguy
there are going to be a lot more injuries this year...I'll guarantee he gets a call from someone.
Banger
Footballguy
but few have the guts to ignore the bad press like Rex. He doesn't care what people think.
Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
I don't believe that at all personally. I'm not saying the assault is not a factor at all, I think it is, but to a much lesser degree than his age, his price and his most recent performances.
Folks need to keep in mind that as a 7 year vet, his minimum is going to nearly twice that of the min for a rookie. That makes a difference if you are a team looking for a body or a longshot. Not only is there PR to think about, be he also costs more than many other options. We don't even know what his agent is putting out there as acceptable salary.
As of last year around this time, word was Bernard Pierce was looking better tan Rice in camp. The year prior, he was doing the 3.1 thing. The year before that ('12), he had a nice statistical season, but Pierce looked just as good if not better then too. All in all, there are plenty of reasons to doubt he is the dynamic playmaker he used to be.
When you combine all of that, it doesn't take a conspiracy to keep the guy off of an NFL roster.
As an owner, I'm still hoping for the best - I think there is a chance he can still be a good NFL player, and there is a chance he'll get HIS chance to show that. But no team has gotten desperate enough yet for that to happen, and I'm not going to point to blackballing as the reason for it.
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But it costs zero to bring him in for a tryout, right? That leads me to say that PR is the only thing holding every team back right now.
Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
It doesn't cost anything for them to bring me in either, but they aren't going to waste their time bringing in a guy they don't think they will sign. Teams (like Buffalo for example) are just taking the cheaper, easier route. Again, I don't doubt that the assault factor is in play, it just isn't the only thing in play.
Why has Ben Tate not been to many workouts? Why did it take so long for Chris Johnson to get signed? You don't think Ahmad Bradshaw and Steven Jackson might still be just as good as some of these young UDFAs? I'd bet they are, but they aren't cheap and easy and they don't have any long-term upside. Camp is the time for young guys for the most part.
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