RB#1 for 2014 (Redraft) (1 Viewer)

[KellysHeroes]

Peterson gets an upgrade in coaching

McCoy gets the addition in Sproles to takes some (little) production away

Coaching staff in KC stated that they want to lessen Charles' workload

So which one of these 3 do you have as RB1 or who else would you take?

 

[VA703]

sir charles

 

[BWill]

Trent Richardson

 

[Shutout]

Charles and Shady are in a zone right now. Almost untouchable in PPR.

I don't know about Peterson after watching the Bengals fail to get the most out of their RBs in the last 5 years.

 

[Gandalf]

Charles. Don't over think it.

 

[False Start]

McCoy #1 in PPR with Sproles in the mix makes me laugh as people are in denial that he is going to catch as many balls as he has.

 

[Gandalf]

Trent Richardson

Tell you what, just send me half if whatever you typically spend playing FF and don't play this year. See I just saved you half of what you would have lost. You're welcome.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Charles and Shady are in a zone right now. Almost untouchable in PPR.

I don't know about Peterson after watching the Bengals fail to get the most out of their RBs in the last 5 years.

You think the Bengals' DC had a lot to do with that?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

McCoy #1 in PPR with Sproles in the mix makes me laugh as people are in denial that he is going to catch as many balls as he has.

I don't see Sproles as a threat to McCoy's catches. Sproles is used more as a WR - McCoy should still see the normal screens and dump off passes that he saw last season. Maybe you can bump them down a little - but I see Sproles as more of a threat to the WRs than McCoy.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

McCoy #1 in PPR with Sproles in the mix makes me laugh as people are in denial that he is going to catch as many balls as he has.

I don't see Sproles as a threat to McCoy's catches. Sproles is used more as a WR - McCoy should still see the normal screens and dump off passes that he saw last season. Maybe you can bump them down a little - but I see Sproles as more of a threat to the WRs than McCoy.

Sproles is unique, and so is his role in an offense. He's a RB in name only. And regardless, at this point in his career, he can't carry McCoy's jock as either a runner or a receiver.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Trent Richardson

 

[Yenrub]

I’m worried about the O-linemen Charles lost this offseason

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Trent Richardson

Trent owners should be happy if he finishes as RB#1 on the Colts next season.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Trent Richardson

Trent owners should be happy if he finishes as RB#1 on the Colts next season.

If Bradshaw plays more than about half of the year, he might be #3 on the team.

 

[FGITLOTR]

Im worried about the O-linemen Charles lost this offseason

Not enough people seem to be worried about this and I just don't get it. Shady at #1 all day for me

 

[False Start]

McCoy #1 in PPR with Sproles in the mix makes me laugh as people are in denial that he is going to catch as many balls as he has.

I don't see Sproles as a threat to McCoy's catches. Sproles is used more as a WR - McCoy should still see the normal screens and dump off passes that he saw last season. Maybe you can bump them down a little - but I see Sproles as more of a threat to the WRs than McCoy.

Sproles is unique, and so is his role in an offense. He's a RB in name only. And regardless, at this point in his career, he can't carry McCoy's jock as either a runner or a receiver.

Last year receiving - Sproles 71/604/2, McCoy 52/539/2

Seems like Sproles did well enough to hold anyone's jock in receiving. But I forget everyone thinks he is going to suck this year as the rhetoric is he is old. McCoy is an elite overall RB, but to act as if Sproles is not an elite receiver out of the backfield still is just wrong. This is a redraft discussion not dynasty.

 

[KellysHeroes]

McCoy #1 in PPR with Sproles in the mix makes me laugh as people are in denial that he is going to catch as many balls as he has.

The Sproles thing is interesting, they traded for him when the whole league knew he was going to be released and then gave him a few extra bucks. Theres a plan for him to get the ball.

 

[False Start]

McCoy #1 in PPR with Sproles in the mix makes me laugh as people are in denial that he is going to catch as many balls as he has.

The Sproles thing is interesting, they traded for him when the whole league knew he was going to be released and then gave him a few extra bucks. Theres a plan for him to get the ball.

Some obviously will disagree with you, I am not one of those however. People who own McCoy are going to be in for a rude awakening in PPR leagues, dropping off even 20 catches is going to effect him. Like you said they didnt trade for him and give him more money to not get him heavily involved.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

McCoy #1 in PPR with Sproles in the mix makes me laugh as people are in denial that he is going to catch as many balls as he has.

I don't see Sproles as a threat to McCoy's catches. Sproles is used more as a WR - McCoy should still see the normal screens and dump off passes that he saw last season. Maybe you can bump them down a little - but I see Sproles as more of a threat to the WRs than McCoy.

Sproles is unique, and so is his role in an offense. He's a RB in name only. And regardless, at this point in his career, he can't carry McCoy's jock as either a runner or a receiver.

Last year receiving - Sproles 71/604/2, McCoy 52/539/2

Seems like Sproles did well enough to hold anyone's jock in receiving. But I forget everyone thinks he is going to suck this year as the rhetoric is he is old. McCoy is an elite overall RB, but to act as if Sproles is not an elite receiver out of the backfield still is just wrong. This is a redraft discussion not dynasty.

McCoy caught a higher percentage of his targets and was almost 2 yards / reception better, despite a much higher percentage of Sproles catches coming when he lined up at WR which will typically generate much higher results in that metric. Sproles isn't as good a receiver as McCoy is at this point in their careers, and McCoy destroys him once the ball is in each guys' hands.

The real question is would you trade Sproles and an entire 1st round for Aaron Rodgers, though.

 

[BWill]

LOL. just wanted to see what everyone thought.

I know your all low on him but I watched him very close his rookie year and saw the top 3-5 potential in him.

I see this happening around 2015-16

 

[Coeur de Lion]

LOL. just wanted to see what everyone thought.

I know your all low on him but I watched him very close his rookie year and saw the top 3-5 potential in him.

I see this happening around 2015-16

His rookie year, Trent was a good FF RB based purely on volume, mainly at the goal line and in the passing game. He still sucked in NFL terms. On a team like Indy, which is trying to, you know, actually win games, he's not getting anywhere near that volume unless he magically stops sucking.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

McCoy #1 in PPR with Sproles in the mix makes me laugh as people are in denial that he is going to catch as many balls as he has.

The Sproles thing is interesting, they traded for him when the whole league knew he was going to be released and then gave him a few extra bucks. Theres a plan for him to get the ball.

Some obviously will disagree with you, I am not one of those however. People who own McCoy are going to be in for a rude awakening in PPR leagues, dropping off even 20 catches is going to effect him. Like you said they didnt trade for him and give him more money to not get him heavily involved.

Why must he be heavily involved at McCoy's expense? The Philly offense has a lot of moving parts. My expectations are that Sproles is used more as a slot type WR than a RB.

 

[False Start]

McCoy #1 in PPR with Sproles in the mix makes me laugh as people are in denial that he is going to catch as many balls as he has.

The Sproles thing is interesting, they traded for him when the whole league knew he was going to be released and then gave him a few extra bucks. Theres a plan for him to get the ball.

Some obviously will disagree with you, I am not one of those however. People who own McCoy are going to be in for a rude awakening in PPR leagues, dropping off even 20 catches is going to effect him. Like you said they didnt trade for him and give him more money to not get him heavily involved.

Why must he be heavily involved at McCoy's expense? The Philly offense has a lot of moving parts. My expectations are that Sproles is used more as a slot type WR than a RB.

He lined up in the backfield 61% of the time last season, he is a RB who catches the ball. Since the only thing that matters to anyone is last year, thats what we go by. You cant have your cake and eat it too to choose what stats you want to use from last year and what one you dont.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

McCoy #1 in PPR with Sproles in the mix makes me laugh as people are in denial that he is going to catch as many balls as he has.

The Sproles thing is interesting, they traded for him when the whole league knew he was going to be released and then gave him a few extra bucks. Theres a plan for him to get the ball.

Some obviously will disagree with you, I am not one of those however. People who own McCoy are going to be in for a rude awakening in PPR leagues, dropping off even 20 catches is going to effect him. Like you said they didnt trade for him and give him more money to not get him heavily involved.

Why must he be heavily involved at McCoy's expense? The Philly offense has a lot of moving parts. My expectations are that Sproles is used more as a slot type WR than a RB.

He lined up in the backfield 61% of the time last season, he is a RB who catches the ball. Since the only thing that matters to anyone is last year, thats what we go by. You cant have your cake and eat it too to choose what stats you want to use from last year and what one you dont.

Taking significant snaps from Pierre Thomas & Mark Ingram =/= taking significant snaps from LeSean McCoy. HTH. Even Darren Sproles' mom would say McCoy is much better at this point.

 

[False Start]

McCoy #1 in PPR with Sproles in the mix makes me laugh as people are in denial that he is going to catch as many balls as he has.

The Sproles thing is interesting, they traded for him when the whole league knew he was going to be released and then gave him a few extra bucks. Theres a plan for him to get the ball.

Some obviously will disagree with you, I am not one of those however. People who own McCoy are going to be in for a rude awakening in PPR leagues, dropping off even 20 catches is going to effect him. Like you said they didnt trade for him and give him more money to not get him heavily involved.

Why must he be heavily involved at McCoy's expense? The Philly offense has a lot of moving parts. My expectations are that Sproles is used more as a slot type WR than a RB.

He lined up in the backfield 61% of the time last season, he is a RB who catches the ball. Since the only thing that matters to anyone is last year, thats what we go by. You cant have your cake and eat it too to choose what stats you want to use from last year and what one you dont.

Taking significant snaps from Pierre Thomas & Mark Ingram =/= taking significant snaps from LeSean McCoy. HTH. Even Darren Sproles' mom would say McCoy is much better at this point.

You clearly only read what you want as I clearly stated that McCoy is an elite back. I at no point said Sproles is better than McCoy or even hinted at it, just said Sproles will possibly eat into his receptions. Do you ague with yourself if you are locked in a room and have no one else to argue with over things that they did not say? Just put me on ignore if you dont like what I have to say, dont worry I am putting you in ignore as your intentions are not to debate football but force your views on everyone else.

Last year receiving - Sproles 71/604/2, McCoy 52/539/2
Seems like Sproles did well enough to hold anyone's jock in receiving. But I forget everyone thinks he is going to suck this year as the rhetoric is he is old. McCoy is an elite overall RB, but to act as if Sproles is not an elite receiver out of the backfield still is just wrong. This is a redraft discussion not dynasty.

 

[amicsta]

I don't think Peterson is getting enough love in this debate. We're still talking about a guy that has a dominant skill set as a runner. Now he has an offensive coordinator with a decorated history of getting the most out of RBs statistically, especially when they are talented like AP. Norv has already stated he'd like to get Peterson out in space more, and I think we can expect a career high in receptions given the lack of depth on the roster (I wouldn't expect a meaningful draft selection to be used on a 3rd down rookie) and the fact that Norv tends to leave his RB1 out there in passing situations.

The other two players are not without their warts, though the extent to which the issues will affect them is debatable. McCoy had a dominant year, but amassed 391 touches between the regular season and playoffs. McCoy is no old man, but that is an incredibly hefty workload and it wouldn't be unreasonable to fear overuse affecting him this season. As for Charles, as someone already mentioned, he's lost a lot of what was a dominant offensive line for him last season, which must be a concern going forward if those pieces aren't replaced.

I'm not saying that Peterson doesn't have his issues as well, but I don't think this is as much of a slam dunk as some posters have mentioned, especially in PPR leagues.

 

[False Start]

I don't think Peterson is getting enough love in this debate. We're still talking about a guy that has a dominant skill set as a runner. Now he has an offensive coordinator with a decorated history of getting the most out of RBs statistically, especially when they are talented like AP. Norv has already stated he'd like to get Peterson out in space more, and I think we can expect a career high in receptions given the lack of depth on the roster (I wouldn't expect a meaningful draft selection to be used on a 3rd down rookie) and the fact that Norv tends to leave his RB1 out there in passing situations.

The other two players are not without their warts, though the extent to which the issues will affect them is debatable. McCoy had a dominant year, but amassed 391 touches between the regular season and playoffs. McCoy is no old man, but that is an incredibly hefty workload and it wouldn't be unreasonable to fear overuse affecting him this season. As for Charles, as someone already mentioned, he's lost a lot of what was a dominant offensive line for him last season, which must be a concern going forward if those pieces aren't replaced.

I'm not saying that Peterson doesn't have his issues as well, but I don't think this is as much of a slam dunk as some posters have mentioned, especially in PPR leagues.

He is who I voted for in both formats, he is STILL the best RB in the NFL. We are talking redraft not dynasty, but this site is so dynasty driven that even if it says REDRAFT, I believe people are still going to vote as i its a dynasty decision.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

McCoy #1 in PPR with Sproles in the mix makes me laugh as people are in denial that he is going to catch as many balls as he has.

The Sproles thing is interesting, they traded for him when the whole league knew he was going to be released and then gave him a few extra bucks. Theres a plan for him to get the ball.

Some obviously will disagree with you, I am not one of those however. People who own McCoy are going to be in for a rude awakening in PPR leagues, dropping off even 20 catches is going to effect him. Like you said they didnt trade for him and give him more money to not get him heavily involved.

Why must he be heavily involved at McCoy's expense? The Philly offense has a lot of moving parts. My expectations are that Sproles is used more as a slot type WR than a RB.

He lined up in the backfield 61% of the time last season, he is a RB who catches the ball. Since the only thing that matters to anyone is last year, thats what we go by. You cant have your cake and eat it too to choose what stats you want to use from last year and what one you dont.

But I want my cake.

So you think a RB that rushed for 1,600 yards and caught over 50 passes is going to be taken off the field often for a 31 year old RB?

Sproles will have a role - but that shouldn't keep McCoy from his role? The Eagles offense is based on the run - and many moving parts in the passing game. Both backs may be on the field together at times. Sproles will surely be used in the passing game - but he just isn't used the same way that McCoy is.

 

[T with T]

Trent Richardson

Tell you what, just send me half if whatever you typically spend playing FF and don't play this year. See I just saved you half of what you would have lost. You're welcome.

LOL I was thinking same thing. Don't even put that guy in the same convo as them 3 legends.... Trich was Turrible.... get out of here. Mccoy, Charles are 1,2 and everyone else in ppr.

 

[Cold Dead Hands]

This year I think it is between Forte, Rice, and Lynch for RB#1.

 

[KellysHeroes]

so are the other votes for Richardson?

 

[cstu]

I don't think Peterson is getting enough love in this debate. We're still talking about a guy that has a dominant skill set as a runner. Now he has an offensive coordinator with a decorated history of getting the most out of RBs statistically, especially when they are talented like AP. Norv has already stated he'd like to get Peterson out in space more, and I think we can expect a career high in receptions given the lack of depth on the roster (I wouldn't expect a meaningful draft selection to be used on a 3rd down rookie) and the fact that Norv tends to leave his RB1 out there in passing situations.

The other two players are not without their warts, though the extent to which the issues will affect them is debatable. McCoy had a dominant year, but amassed 391 touches between the regular season and playoffs. McCoy is no old man, but that is an incredibly hefty workload and it wouldn't be unreasonable to fear overuse affecting him this season. As for Charles, as someone already mentioned, he's lost a lot of what was a dominant offensive line for him last season, which must be a concern going forward if those pieces aren't replaced.

I'm not saying that Peterson doesn't have his issues as well, but I don't think this is as much of a slam dunk as some posters have mentioned, especially in PPR leagues.

He is who I voted for in both formats, he is STILL the best RB in the NFL. We are talking redraft not dynasty, but this site is so dynasty driven that even if it says REDRAFT, I believe people are still going to vote as i its a dynasty decision.

I don't think you can go wrong with any of these guys, but I like Peterson's chances of having a huge season this year with an NFL QB, Turner as OC and a head coach who wants to get him into space more.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I'm thinking Norv remakes ADP and it will be a little bit different than what we've seen. I anticipate the passing game existing (not just getting better, there will actually be one).

Slight edge over McCoy, who I wonder will see a little more of Polk and Sproles and Brown too if he's still around.

(That's non-PPR; in PPR it's Charles).

 

[Tau837]

McCoy caught a higher percentage of his targets and was almost 2 yards / reception better, despite a much higher percentage of Sproles catches coming when he lined up at WR which will typically generate much higher results in that metric.

Do you have the percentage of times each lined up at WR and the percentage of their receptions/production based on how they lined up?

McCoy caught a higher percentage of his targets and was almost 2 yards / reception better, despite a much higher percentage of Sproles catches coming when he lined up at WR which will typically generate much higher results in that metric.

Do you have evidence that supports this (for RBs) or are you just assuming this because it seems intuitive?

 

[Biabreakable]

I’m worried about the O-linemen Charles lost this offseason

On the flip side the Vikings return all 5 of their starters from the last 2 seasons. Left guard rookie prospect Jeff Baca from 2013 may be ready to push Charles Johnson for the starting position, strengthening the weakest link. Backup center/guard Joe Berger was retained as well. The Vikings also signed Vlad Ducasse at guard from the Jets.

Both John Sullivan and Brandon Fusco were 6th round draft picks that the Vikings have developed into quality starters. Could Baca be the next to join them?

In any case, there will be more continuity and timing here with the Vikings also retaining Oline coach of the past 3 seasons Jeff Davidson.

No Gerhart or Chester Taylor to steal 3rd down big play opportunities. Turner intends to get Peterson more involved as a receiver while the Chiefs may have more options in the passing game this season (Travis Kelce?) that could take some of the RB passing targets (doubtful with Andy Reid, just saying it).

 

[Holy Schneikes]

I wouldn't really vote for him, but I think Gio has a shot with Hue Jackson running the offense. He's got the talent, and if Hue uses him like he used McFadden back in the day, he will be putting up big numbers.

 

[jurb26]

Charles is the easy answer for me, regardless of format. He's a stud in Reid's system and that isn't changing.

 

[KellysHeroes]

I don't think Peterson is getting enough love in this debate. We're still talking about a guy that has a dominant skill set as a runner. Now he has an offensive coordinator with a decorated history of getting the most out of RBs statistically, especially when they are talented like AP. Norv has already stated he'd like to get Peterson out in space more, and I think we can expect a career high in receptions given the lack of depth on the roster (I wouldn't expect a meaningful draft selection to be used on a 3rd down rookie) and the fact that Norv tends to leave his RB1 out there in passing situations.

The other two players are not without their warts, though the extent to which the issues will affect them is debatable. McCoy had a dominant year, but amassed 391 touches between the regular season and playoffs. McCoy is no old man, but that is an incredibly hefty workload and it wouldn't be unreasonable to fear overuse affecting him this season. As for Charles, as someone already mentioned, he's lost a lot of what was a dominant offensive line for him last season, which must be a concern going forward if those pieces aren't replaced.

I'm not saying that Peterson doesn't have his issues as well, but I don't think this is as much of a slam dunk as some posters have mentioned, especially in PPR leagues.

He is who I voted for in both formats, he is STILL the best RB in the NFL. We are talking redraft not dynasty, but this site is so dynasty driven that even if it says REDRAFT, I believe people are still going to vote as i its a dynasty decision.

I don't think you can go wrong with any of these guys, but I like Peterson's chances of having a huge season this year with an NFL QB, Turner as OC and a head coach who wants to get him into space more.

Minny was terrible last yr, from the rotating QBs to the 1992 Madden like playcalling. I think most of us sour on a player too quickly after a so so season. Talent wise ADP is best in the group but the other 2 have better situations.

And on a different note, Minny should really try to get something done these next 2 yrs (I think thats what Peterson has left before a huge decline). Ponder, Freeman & Cassell rotation is a joke... the only time Peterson had a real QB was when Farve was there for that 1 yr. (And they didn't even try this yr!!!))

When do the Vikes do him a favor and ship him to a good team?

 

[Bucky86]

Ben Tate

 

[cloppbeast]

Are we splitting hairs here, Donnie?

You really couldn't go wrong with either of these running backs. Making a choice consists of nit-picking.

I voted for Peterson in standard scoring and ppr. He will greatly benefit from his new OC Norv Turner. Could you find a better play-caller to help a feature RB?

Charles won't repeat his 2013 out-lier productions in receptions or TDs; but he'll still be damned good.

McCoy #1 in PPR with Sproles in the mix makes me laugh as people are in denial that he is going to catch as many balls as he has.

Lots of discussion about whether Sproles steals some of McCoy's receptions. I believe the new guy poaches targets from everybody, not exclusively Shady. His receptions don't all come at the expense of McCoy. Considering the possibility of DeSean Jackson's departure, the offense may have some targets to fill anyway.

Sproles will not hurt McCoy much. I might knock off 5 receptions.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Forte or Bernard...............or Trent Richardson

 

[Biabreakable]

I don't think Peterson is getting enough love in this debate. We're still talking about a guy that has a dominant skill set as a runner. Now he has an offensive coordinator with a decorated history of getting the most out of RBs statistically, especially when they are talented like AP. Norv has already stated he'd like to get Peterson out in space more, and I think we can expect a career high in receptions given the lack of depth on the roster (I wouldn't expect a meaningful draft selection to be used on a 3rd down rookie) and the fact that Norv tends to leave his RB1 out there in passing situations.

The other two players are not without their warts, though the extent to which the issues will affect them is debatable. McCoy had a dominant year, but amassed 391 touches between the regular season and playoffs. McCoy is no old man, but that is an incredibly hefty workload and it wouldn't be unreasonable to fear overuse affecting him this season. As for Charles, as someone already mentioned, he's lost a lot of what was a dominant offensive line for him last season, which must be a concern going forward if those pieces aren't replaced.

I'm not saying that Peterson doesn't have his issues as well, but I don't think this is as much of a slam dunk as some posters have mentioned, especially in PPR leagues.

He is who I voted for in both formats, he is STILL the best RB in the NFL. We are talking redraft not dynasty, but this site is so dynasty driven that even if it says REDRAFT, I believe people are still going to vote as i its a dynasty decision.

I don't think you can go wrong with any of these guys, but I like Peterson's chances of having a huge season this year with an NFL QB, Turner as OC and a head coach who wants to get him into space more.

Minny was terrible last yr, from the rotating QBs to the 1992 Madden like playcalling. I think most of us sour on a player too quickly after a so so season. Talent wise ADP is best in the group but the other 2 have better situations.

And on a different note, Minny should really try to get something done these next 2 yrs (I think thats what Peterson has left before a huge decline). Ponder, Freeman & Cassell rotation is a joke... the only time Peterson had a real QB was when Farve was there for that 1 yr. (And they didn't even try this yr!!!))

When do the Vikes do him a favor and ship him to a good team?

Some people seem to think Norv Turner is a good coach for RBs.

 

[KellysHeroes]

I don't think Peterson is getting enough love in this debate. We're still talking about a guy that has a dominant skill set as a runner. Now he has an offensive coordinator with a decorated history of getting the most out of RBs statistically, especially when they are talented like AP. Norv has already stated he'd like to get Peterson out in space more, and I think we can expect a career high in receptions given the lack of depth on the roster (I wouldn't expect a meaningful draft selection to be used on a 3rd down rookie) and the fact that Norv tends to leave his RB1 out there in passing situations.

The other two players are not without their warts, though the extent to which the issues will affect them is debatable. McCoy had a dominant year, but amassed 391 touches between the regular season and playoffs. McCoy is no old man, but that is an incredibly hefty workload and it wouldn't be unreasonable to fear overuse affecting him this season. As for Charles, as someone already mentioned, he's lost a lot of what was a dominant offensive line for him last season, which must be a concern going forward if those pieces aren't replaced.

I'm not saying that Peterson doesn't have his issues as well, but I don't think this is as much of a slam dunk as some posters have mentioned, especially in PPR leagues.

He is who I voted for in both formats, he is STILL the best RB in the NFL. We are talking redraft not dynasty, but this site is so dynasty driven that even if it says REDRAFT, I believe people are still going to vote as i its a dynasty decision.

I don't think you can go wrong with any of these guys, but I like Peterson's chances of having a huge season this year with an NFL QB, Turner as OC and a head coach who wants to get him into space more.

Minny was terrible last yr, from the rotating QBs to the 1992 Madden like playcalling. I think most of us sour on a player too quickly after a so so season. Talent wise ADP is best in the group but the other 2 have better situations.

And on a different note, Minny should really try to get something done these next 2 yrs (I think thats what Peterson has left before a huge decline). Ponder, Freeman & Cassell rotation is a joke... the only time Peterson had a real QB was when Farve was there for that 1 yr. (And they didn't even try this yr!!!))

When do the Vikes do him a favor and ship him to a good team?

Some people seem to think Norv Turner is a good coach for RBs.

I know, I do as well... You got the RB, You got the Line, you got the WR/TE, You got the coach; so why not get the QB. Hell, I would of even been happy if they brought in Sanchez for a go around.

 

[Biabreakable]

I don't think Peterson is getting enough love in this debate. We're still talking about a guy that has a dominant skill set as a runner. Now he has an offensive coordinator with a decorated history of getting the most out of RBs statistically, especially when they are talented like AP. Norv has already stated he'd like to get Peterson out in space more, and I think we can expect a career high in receptions given the lack of depth on the roster (I wouldn't expect a meaningful draft selection to be used on a 3rd down rookie) and the fact that Norv tends to leave his RB1 out there in passing situations.

The other two players are not without their warts, though the extent to which the issues will affect them is debatable. McCoy had a dominant year, but amassed 391 touches between the regular season and playoffs. McCoy is no old man, but that is an incredibly hefty workload and it wouldn't be unreasonable to fear overuse affecting him this season. As for Charles, as someone already mentioned, he's lost a lot of what was a dominant offensive line for him last season, which must be a concern going forward if those pieces aren't replaced.

I'm not saying that Peterson doesn't have his issues as well, but I don't think this is as much of a slam dunk as some posters have mentioned, especially in PPR leagues.

He is who I voted for in both formats, he is STILL the best RB in the NFL. We are talking redraft not dynasty, but this site is so dynasty driven that even if it says REDRAFT, I believe people are still going to vote as i its a dynasty decision.

I don't think you can go wrong with any of these guys, but I like Peterson's chances of having a huge season this year with an NFL QB, Turner as OC and a head coach who wants to get him into space more.

Minny was terrible last yr, from the rotating QBs to the 1992 Madden like playcalling. I think most of us sour on a player too quickly after a so so season. Talent wise ADP is best in the group but the other 2 have better situations.

And on a different note, Minny should really try to get something done these next 2 yrs (I think thats what Peterson has left before a huge decline). Ponder, Freeman & Cassell rotation is a joke... the only time Peterson had a real QB was when Farve was there for that 1 yr. (And they didn't even try this yr!!!))

When do the Vikes do him a favor and ship him to a good team?

Some people seem to think Norv Turner is a good coach for RBs.

I know, I do as well... You got the RB, You got the Line, you got the WR/TE, You got the coach; so why not get the QB. Hell, I would of even been happy if they brought in Sanchez for a go around.

They are working on the QB issue as well. Cassell is certainly not the answer, but with Norv coaching I think the Vikings can get more out of him (and god forbid Ponder too if needed) than Musgrave did. That is my hope anyways. They will address the position in the draft as well.

If you asked me what the Vikings could do to maximize Petersons potential for the last years of his career I cannot think of a better answer than adding Norv Turner.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I don't think Peterson is getting enough love in this debate. We're still talking about a guy that has a dominant skill set as a runner. Now he has an offensive coordinator with a decorated history of getting the most out of RBs statistically, especially when they are talented like AP. Norv has already stated he'd like to get Peterson out in space more, and I think we can expect a career high in receptions given the lack of depth on the roster (I wouldn't expect a meaningful draft selection to be used on a 3rd down rookie) and the fact that Norv tends to leave his RB1 out there in passing situations.

The other two players are not without their warts, though the extent to which the issues will affect them is debatable. McCoy had a dominant year, but amassed 391 touches between the regular season and playoffs. McCoy is no old man, but that is an incredibly hefty workload and it wouldn't be unreasonable to fear overuse affecting him this season. As for Charles, as someone already mentioned, he's lost a lot of what was a dominant offensive line for him last season, which must be a concern going forward if those pieces aren't replaced.

I'm not saying that Peterson doesn't have his issues as well, but I don't think this is as much of a slam dunk as some posters have mentioned, especially in PPR leagues.

He is who I voted for in both formats, he is STILL the best RB in the NFL. We are talking redraft not dynasty, but this site is so dynasty driven that even if it says REDRAFT, I believe people are still going to vote as i its a dynasty decision.

I don't think you can go wrong with any of these guys, but I like Peterson's chances of having a huge season this year with an NFL QB, Turner as OC and a head coach who wants to get him into space more.

Minny was terrible last yr, from the rotating QBs to the 1992 Madden like playcalling. I think most of us sour on a player too quickly after a so so season. Talent wise ADP is best in the group but the other 2 have better situations.

And on a different note, Minny should really try to get something done these next 2 yrs (I think thats what Peterson has left before a huge decline). Ponder, Freeman & Cassell rotation is a joke... the only time Peterson had a real QB was when Farve was there for that 1 yr. (And they didn't even try this yr!!!))

When do the Vikes do him a favor and ship him to a good team?

Some people seem to think Norv Turner is a good coach for RBs.

I know, I do as well... You got the RB, You got the Line, you got the WR/TE, You got the coach; so why not get the QB. Hell, I would of even been happy if they brought in Sanchez for a go around.

They are working on the QB issue as well. Cassell is certainly not the answer, but with Norv coaching I think the Vikings can get more out of him (and god forbid Ponder too if needed) than Musgrave did. That is my hope anyways. They will address the position in the draft as well.

If you asked me what the Vikings could do to maximize Petersons potential for the last years of his career I cannot think of a better answer than adding Norv Turner.

Agree with this. Cassel isn't great at all, but there was no one significantly better available this offseason.

 

[Ted Mullins]

McCoy being better than Sproles doesn't preclude Sproles cutting into McCoy's receptions. I would imagine he plays some slot type role but also rests McCoy on some 3rd downs too.

For non-PPR, give me whoever is cheapest out of McCoy, Peterson, and Charles. Probably a slight lean towards McCoy as I like Chip's offense. In PPR I'd want Charles. I realize these are boring picks and anything can happen at RB.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

McCoy caught a higher percentage of his targets and was almost 2 yards / reception better, despite a much higher percentage of Sproles catches coming when he lined up at WR which will typically generate much higher results in that metric.

Do you have the percentage of times each lined up at WR and the percentage of their receptions/production based on how they lined up?

McCoy caught a higher percentage of his targets and was almost 2 yards / reception better, despite a much higher percentage of Sproles catches coming when he lined up at WR which will typically generate much higher results in that metric.

Do you have evidence that supports this (for RBs) or are you just assuming this because it seems intuitive?

Someone posted the % of snaps at WR / RB here in a different thread -- you can probably find it with a search. The part about higher YPC is based on the route trees of the two positions -- if pressed I'd admit that that one was pulled mostly out of my ####.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

As I suspected I think the Eagles interest in Sproles was based on their desire to get rid of Jackson. It's my belief Sproles will be used mush more as a slot type WR than a RB. While its possible McCoy's targets go down a bit, I doubt it's dramatic as he and Sproles are two very different players. Sproles is just another weapon for Kelly to use in his creative passing attack, but McCoy is very unlikely to lose any snaps to Sproles.

 

[JackReacher]

As I suspected I think the Eagles interest in Sproles was based on their desire to get rid of Jackson. It's my belief Sproles will be used mush more as a slot type WR than a RB. While its possible McCoy's targets go down a bit, I doubt it's dramatic as he and Sproles are two very different players. Sproles is just another weapon for Kelly to use in his creative passing attack, but McCoy is very unlikely to lose any snaps to Sproles.

No snap numbers to back this up, but in my recollection. I don't recall Sproles working out of the slot for NO. I doubt he's morphing into that for Philly. I do agree he will have minimal impact on McCoy.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

As I suspected I think the Eagles interest in Sproles was based on their desire to get rid of Jackson. It's my belief Sproles will be used mush more as a slot type WR than a RB. While its possible McCoy's targets go down a bit, I doubt it's dramatic as he and Sproles are two very different players. Sproles is just another weapon for Kelly to use in his creative passing attack, but McCoy is very unlikely to lose any snaps to Sproles.

No snap numbers to back this up, but in my recollection. I don't recall Sproles working out of the slot for NO. I doubt he's morphing into that for Philly. I do agree he will have minimal impact on McCoy.

I saw him line up wide and in tight on the line of scrimmage at times. Someone above stated that he took 61% of his snaps lined up in the backfield which means he lined up as a WR 39% of the time (assuming that other poster was accurate).