RB Breece Hall, NYJ (1 Viewer)

[Dr. Octopus]

Oakland paid a lot for him though - not sure what they would want back but the Jets already don’t have their first for next season.

Yes, but they’re paying him a ton of money in a year they won’t contend. He’s also almost 31. Prime time to move him for a second of the Jets pick up the cost.

I’m on board. Hope it happens. I’m skeptical Oakland is giving up on the year after signing Jimmy G, but it does make sense for both sides.

 

[-jb-]

Feels like a page ago (it was less) he was the cautiously optimistic, if not go to round 3 pick. Folks, surgery has come a long way but not a half season to 100%. I wish this news came out later so people would keep drafting him in the early third.

 

[menobrown]

Feels like a page ago (it was less) he was the cautiously optimistic, if not go to round 3 pick. Folks, surgery has come a long way but not a half season to 100%. I wish this news came out later so people would keep drafting him in the early third.

Seemed good enough 12-13 years ago for two RB's to make massive returns in similar timeframes.

 

[-jb-]

Feels like a page ago (it was less) he was the cautiously optimistic, if not go to round 3 pick. Folks, surgery has come a long way but not a half season to 100%. I wish this news came out later so people would keep drafting him in the early third.

Seemed good enough 12-13 years ago for two RB's to make massive returns in similar timeframes

Feels like a page ago (it was less) he was the cautiously optimistic, if not go to round 3 pick. Folks, surgery has come a long way but not a half season to 100%. I wish this news came out later so people would keep drafting him in the early third.

Seemed good enough 12-13 years ago for two RB's to make massive returns in similar timeframes.

Who do you speak of? Peterson? Charles?

 

[menobrown]

Feels like a page ago (it was less) he was the cautiously optimistic, if not go to round 3 pick. Folks, surgery has come a long way but not a half season to 100%. I wish this news came out later so people would keep drafting him in the early third.

Seemed good enough 12-13 years ago for two RB's to make massive returns in similar timeframes

Feels like a page ago (it was less) he was the cautiously optimistic, if not go to round 3 pick. Folks, surgery has come a long way but not a half season to 100%. I wish this news came out later so people would keep drafting him in the early third.

Seemed good enough 12-13 years ago for two RB's to make massive returns in similar timeframes.

Who do you speak of? Peterson? Charles?

Yes

 

[socrates]

Neither Carter nor Knight is lead-back material, IMO. Izzy may be a decent stop-gap, but his NFL value is speculative. You don't bring in Aaron Rodgers to lead your team and hang your running game hopes on a 5th Rd. rookie. The Jets are all in on the 2023 season, so, from the team's perspective, it makes sense to add Dalvin Cook. Are there better options for Cook? Perhaps Miami offers a clearer path to a season-long RB1 gig, although the Dolphins also seem destined for some sort of platoon at RB. Tampa, on paper, looks like a good opportunity, but they just parted with another veteran back in Fournette. Buffalo already has Cook's baby brother, plus they brought in Harris. In New England, Rhamondre Stevenson is going to be the lead back, although the depth chart behind him is not established. For at least half a season, the Jets job is fairly secure for Cook. He would undoubtedly face some competition for carries from Carter, Knight, and Izzy, but clearly, Cook would be favored as the lead dog until Hall returns.

that’s assuming Hall is out for 1/2 a season.

To date all the word has been that he’ll be ready for game 1 so it would seem like a bit of overkill.

Even if he’s expected to be held out weeks 1-3, Izzy, Carter & Knight could surely hold down the fort with a great defense & vastly improved passing game.

Just seems like a roster spot/money that could better be spent elsewhere than a semi-washed Cook.

Yeah, that is a fair point, and I am speculating a bit.

 

[-jb-]

Feels like a page ago (it was less) he was the cautiously optimistic, if not go to round 3 pick. Folks, surgery has come a long way but not a half season to 100%. I wish this news came out later so people would keep drafting him in the early third.

Seemed good enough 12-13 years ago for two RB's to make massive returns in similar timeframes

Feels like a page ago (it was less) he was the cautiously optimistic, if not go to round 3 pick. Folks, surgery has come a long way but not a half season to 100%. I wish this news came out later so people would keep drafting him in the early third.

Seemed good enough 12-13 years ago for two RB's to make massive returns in similar timeframes.

Who do you speak of? Peterson? Charles?

Yes

Charles tore his ACl in week two. ADP is essentially the exception to the rule (truly). I’m certainly not saying it’s impossible, but the odds were against it the whole time.

https://www.thefantasyfootballers.c...surgery-on-fantasy-performance-running-backs/

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Feels like a page ago (it was less) he was the cautiously optimistic, if not go to round 3 pick. Folks, surgery has come a long way but not a half season to 100%. I wish this news came out later so people would keep drafting him in the early third.

Seemed good enough 12-13 years ago for two RB's to make massive returns in similar timeframes

Feels like a page ago (it was less) he was the cautiously optimistic, if not go to round 3 pick. Folks, surgery has come a long way but not a half season to 100%. I wish this news came out later so people would keep drafting him in the early third.

Seemed good enough 12-13 years ago for two RB's to make massive returns in similar timeframes.

Who do you speak of? Peterson? Charles?

Yes

Charles tore his ACl in week two. ADP is essentially the exception to the rule (truly). I’m certainly not saying it’s impossible, but the odds were against it the whole time.

https://www.thefantasyfootballers.c...surgery-on-fantasy-performance-running-backs/

I think it’s safe to say he may not be 100% week 1, and it will take until mid-season for him to get most of the way back. There’s still six weeks before the season starts so we’ll have better clues as the Summer progresses. Obviously the biggest news may come this weekend if Cook signs.

 

[menobrown]

Feels like a page ago (it was less) he was the cautiously optimistic, if not go to round 3 pick. Folks, surgery has come a long way but not a half season to 100%. I wish this news came out later so people would keep drafting him in the early third.

Seemed good enough 12-13 years ago for two RB's to make massive returns in similar timeframes

Feels like a page ago (it was less) he was the cautiously optimistic, if not go to round 3 pick. Folks, surgery has come a long way but not a half season to 100%. I wish this news came out later so people would keep drafting him in the early third.

Seemed good enough 12-13 years ago for two RB's to make massive returns in similar timeframes.

Who do you speak of? Peterson? Charles?

Yes

Charles tore his ACl in week two. ADP is essentially the exception to the rule (truly). I’m certainly not saying it’s impossible, but the odds were against it the whole time.

https://www.thefantasyfootballers.c...surgery-on-fantasy-performance-running-backs/

There are no guarantees here but if I thought Hall would be at Charles level 5 weeks into the season I'd view that as well worth a third, before of course factoring in Cooks looming arrival.

I'm just less certain then you that players like Charles and Peterson are exceptions to the rules, especially if we are talking younger RB's. Dobbins is the one everyone remembers the most but he had a setback that required a clean up procedure so to me he might be more the exception, and even he was pretty good in real life to close the season.

There are risks involved for sure with these major surgeries but I personally thought the price was fairly baked in for Hall, especially so for those people who participate in the national type high stake payout contests were hitting home runs takes on more importance. But for sure the risk of ACL and Dalvin is not worth a third.

 

[-jb-]

Feels like a page ago (it was less) he was the cautiously optimistic, if not go to round 3 pick. Folks, surgery has come a long way but not a half season to 100%. I wish this news came out later so people would keep drafting him in the early third.

Seemed good enough 12-13 years ago for two RB's to make massive returns in similar timeframes

Feels like a page ago (it was less) he was the cautiously optimistic, if not go to round 3 pick. Folks, surgery has come a long way but not a half season to 100%. I wish this news came out later so people would keep drafting him in the early third.

Seemed good enough 12-13 years ago for two RB's to make massive returns in similar timeframes.

Who do you speak of? Peterson? Charles?

Yes

Charles tore his ACl in week two. ADP is essentially the exception to the rule (truly). I’m certainly not saying it’s impossible, but the odds were against it the whole time.

https://www.thefantasyfootballers.c...surgery-on-fantasy-performance-running-backs/

I think it’s safe to say he may not be 100% week 1, and it will take until mid-season for him to get most of the way back. There’s still six weeks before the season starts so we’ll have better clues as the Summer progresses. Obviously the biggest news may come this weekend if Cook signs.

So the question is, when should he be drafted? My originally stance was 5th (still a decent amount of risk). I’m thinking more like 6-7 but bench sizes will have a lot to do with it.

 

[-jb-]

Feels like a page ago (it was less) he was the cautiously optimistic, if not go to round 3 pick. Folks, surgery has come a long way but not a half season to 100%. I wish this news came out later so people would keep drafting him in the early third.

Seemed good enough 12-13 years ago for two RB's to make massive returns in similar timeframes

Feels like a page ago (it was less) he was the cautiously optimistic, if not go to round 3 pick. Folks, surgery has come a long way but not a half season to 100%. I wish this news came out later so people would keep drafting him in the early third.

Seemed good enough 12-13 years ago for two RB's to make massive returns in similar timeframes.

Who do you speak of? Peterson? Charles?

Yes

Charles tore his ACl in week two. ADP is essentially the exception to the rule (truly). I’m certainly not saying it’s impossible, but the odds were against it the whole time.

https://www.thefantasyfootballers.c...surgery-on-fantasy-performance-running-backs/

There are no guarantees here but if I thought Hall would be at Charles level 5 weeks into the season I'd view that as well worth a third, before of course factoring in Cooks looming arrival.

I'm just less certain then you that players like Charles and Peterson are exceptions to the rules, especially if we are talking younger RB's. Dobbins is the one everyone remembers the most but he had a setback that required a clean up procedure so to me he might be more the exception, and even he was pretty good in real life to close the season.

There are risks involved for sure with these major surgeries but I personally thought the price was fairly baked in for Hall, especially so for those people who participate in the national type high stake payout contests were hitting home runs takes on more importance. But for sure the risk of ACL and Dalvin is not worth a third.

Agree that we have different estimations of the risk here. I’d rather drop a 5/6 on him, which likely means I’m not getting him. Cheers, all the best, sláinte, shalom, go get ‘em, good luck, keep on truckin’.

 

[TripItUp]

great time to buy low in dynasty if you can find an owner ready to dump him

 

[TripItUp]

probably not touching at current ADP in redrafts assuming Cook signs

glad I avoided him in best balls

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Feels like a page ago (it was less) he was the cautiously optimistic, if not go to round 3 pick. Folks, surgery has come a long way but not a half season to 100%. I wish this news came out later so people would keep drafting him in the early third.

Seemed good enough 12-13 years ago for two RB's to make massive returns in similar timeframes

Feels like a page ago (it was less) he was the cautiously optimistic, if not go to round 3 pick. Folks, surgery has come a long way but not a half season to 100%. I wish this news came out later so people would keep drafting him in the early third.

Seemed good enough 12-13 years ago for two RB's to make massive returns in similar timeframes.

Who do you speak of? Peterson? Charles?

Yes

Charles tore his ACl in week two. ADP is essentially the exception to the rule (truly). I’m certainly not saying it’s impossible, but the odds were against it the whole time.

https://www.thefantasyfootballers.c...surgery-on-fantasy-performance-running-backs/

I think it’s safe to say he may not be 100% week 1, and it will take until mid-season for him to get most of the way back. There’s still six weeks before the season starts so we’ll have better clues as the Summer progresses. Obviously the biggest news may come this weekend if Cook signs.

So the question is, when should he be drafted? My originally stance was 5th (still a decent amount of risk). I’m thinking more like 6-7 but bench sizes will have a lot to do with it.

I can see mid-third. When he does come back to health he’s a potential league winner - and even if cook is added, I’d still expect Hall to get early season carries- obviously not a full workload. I’d see it 60/40 Cook early and flipped in second half of season (ideally).
Like I said - there’s still so much information needed, like a lot to players at this point.

 

[Faust]

Jets HC Robert Saleh said he expects Breece Hall (knee) to return in a couple of weeks.

It’s probably no coincidence that Saleh was asked about Hall’s impending return on a day when Dalvin Cook was at camp with the team. The Jets have spent the last several days courting Cook and appear to be the only serious contender for the veteran’s services at this time. Hall, who continues to recover from a torn ACL suffered last season, is “coming up quick,” according to Saleh, but it’s hard to say whether or not he’ll be ready for Week 1 despite Hall insisting he will be. Even when he returns, Hall’s value as a fantasy asset could take a significant hit if Cook signs with the team.

 

[menobrown]

https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1691233240898572288

- This is still Breece Hall's team. He's the Jets bellcow the moment he's back. Cook isn't stealing touches from him — he's spelling and helping him. This also isn't an indictment on Hall's health, I'm told. He's still on schedule.

 

[JohnnyU]

https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1691233240898572288

- This is still Breece Hall's team. He's the Jets bellcow the moment he's back. Cook isn't stealing touches from him — he's spelling and helping him. This also isn't an indictment on Hall's health, I'm told. He's still on schedule.

Come on man. I believe Hall won't be Hall until 2024. Yes, he will play and play early, but ACL injuries isn't something you suddenly jump back into what you were pre-injury. It will take time and that is why they are signing Cook. Look for Cook to be the main guy for at least half the season.

 

[TripItUp]

my best guess

Breece stays on the PUP until he's absolutely 100%...my guess is after the week 7 bye it becomes Breece's team. Until then Cook shoulders a big part of the load.

The early part of the Jets schedule is brutal....this is a blessing in disguise as teams could be riding a fresh Breece Hall right through the fantasy playoffs. A 50/50 type split is possible if both are 100 percent healthy in the back half of the season.

This puts Breece as being overvalued in redrafts at current ADP and probably a good buy low in dynasty. This is a one year deal so Breece should be the bellcow in 2024.

 

[menobrown]

https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1691233240898572288

- This is still Breece Hall's team. He's the Jets bellcow the moment he's back. Cook isn't stealing touches from him — he's spelling and helping him. This also isn't an indictment on Hall's health, I'm told. He's still on schedule.

Come on man. I believe Hall won't be Hall until 2024. Yes, he will play and play early, but ACL injuries isn't something you suddenly jump back into what you were pre-injury. It will take time and that is why they are signing Cook. Look for Cook to be the main guy for at least half the season.

I don't agree.

 

[TripItUp]

Come on man. I believe Hall won't be Hall until 2024. Yes, he will play and play early, but ACL injuries isn't something you suddenly jump back into what you were pre-injury.

Players react differently...see Adrian Peterson's epic ACL recovery.

Wide range of outcomes for Breece this year and anybody pretending to know exactly what will happen is selling you something.

 

[JohnnyU]

Come on man. I believe Hall won't be Hall until 2024. Yes, he will play and play early, but ACL injuries isn't something you suddenly jump back into what you were pre-injury.

Players react differently...see Adrian Peterson's epic ACL recovery.

Wide range of outcomes for Breece this year and anybody pretending to know exactly what will happen is selling you something.

Anyone pretending an AP outcome is selling you something.

 

[TripItUp]

Come on man. I believe Hall won't be Hall until 2024. Yes, he will play and play early, but ACL injuries isn't something you suddenly jump back into what you were pre-injury.

Players react differently...see Adrian Peterson's epic ACL recovery.

Wide range of outcomes for Breece this year and anybody pretending to know exactly what will happen is selling you something.

Anyone pretending an AP outcome is selling you something.

clocked at 23 MPH on GPS over a month ago

 

[JohnnyU]

Come on man. I believe Hall won't be Hall until 2024. Yes, he will play and play early, but ACL injuries isn't something you suddenly jump back into what you were pre-injury.

Players react differently...see Adrian Peterson's epic ACL recovery.

Wide range of outcomes for Breece this year and anybody pretending to know exactly what will happen is selling you something.

Anyone pretending an AP outcome is selling you something.

clocked at 23 MPH on GPS over a month ago

late 2023 or 2024 IMO.

 

[menobrown]

Breece stays on the PUP until he's absolutely 100%

I actually wish he would so I could put him on IR but I agree with Brian:









Brian Costello

@BrianCoz
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Breece Hall is still expected to be back for Week 1. The Cook signing should not be seen as a sign he won’t be. Jets are still excited with how Hall is progressing.

 

[TripItUp]

Breece stays on the PUP until he's absolutely 100%

I actually wish he would so I could put him on IR but I agree with Brian:

If he is back week 1, that's a great recovery.

 

[Chemical X]

i believe and have no reason to doubt the jets beat guys but……hall isn’t yet practicing with the team. if he plays week 1 it will be about 10 months post surgery. the nfl is a violent league and hall is a young man, why would the jets risk and rush him now that cook is signed? i follow everything jets and i have the feeling that israel a is ahead of carter and bam. he makes the rooster. hall, cook in. jets can’t carry 5 rbs and feel like one of carter or bam have value to not lose for free. i think hall avoids the PUP list to start the season only if carter or bam can be dealt. if not, i think hall starts PUP which is now 4 weeks and allows the jets to keep the other 4 and see how injuries around the league play out during those 4 weeks. i just don’t think the jets trusted the izzy, bam, carter trio enough without knowing hall’s status for sure. i think cook, shoulder permitting, is a 75-90% man the first 4 weeks, hall PUP then integrated slowly after week 5 to build up. if hall is hall, i think he becomes a max 65-75% guy the rest of the way.

 

[Ilov80s]

i believe and have no reason to doubt the jets beat guys but……hall isn’t yet practicing with the team. if he plays week 1 it will be about 10 months post surgery. the nfl is a violent league and hall is a young man, why would the jets risk and rush him now that cook is signed? i follow everything jets and i have the feeling that israel a is ahead of carter and bam. he makes the rooster. hall, cook in. jets can’t carry 5 rbs and feel like one of carter or bam have value to not lose for free. i think hall avoids the PUP list to start the season only if carter or bam can be dealt. if not, i think hall starts PUP which is now 4 weeks and allows the jets to keep the other 4 and see how injuries around the league play out during those 4 weeks. i just don’t think the jets trusted the izzy, bam, carter trio enough without knowing hall’s status for sure. i think cook, shoulder permitting, is a 75-90% man the first 4 weeks, hall PUP then integrated slowly after week 5 to build up. if hall is hall, i think he becomes a max 65-75% guy the rest of the way.

The Jets beat guys have no clue. They are just repeating what the team tells them. Is the team being sincere? Who knows.

 

[menobrown]

i believe and have no reason to doubt the jets beat guys but……hall isn’t yet practicing with the team. if he plays week 1 it will be about 10 months post surgery. the nfl is a violent league and hall is a young man, why would the jets risk and rush him now that cook is signed? i follow everything jets and i have the feeling that israel a is ahead of carter and bam. he makes the rooster. hall, cook in. jets can’t carry 5 rbs and feel like one of carter or bam have value to not lose for free. i think hall avoids the PUP list to start the season only if carter or bam can be dealt. if not, i think hall starts PUP which is now 4 weeks and allows the jets to keep the other 4 and see how injuries around the league play out during those 4 weeks. i just don’t think the jets trusted the izzy, bam, carter trio enough without knowing hall’s status for sure. i think cook, shoulder permitting, is a 75-90% man the first 4 weeks, hall PUP then integrated slowly after week 5 to build up. if hall is hall, i think he becomes a max 65-75% guy the rest of the way.

The Jets beat guys have no clue. They are just repeating what the team tells them. Is the team being sincere? Who knows.

I disagree, the team might have the best beat guys going and they are speaking in absolutes for the most part, not allowing for an out if they are wrong. I have total confidence he'll be active in week one, fully expect him to come off PUP in next week or two.

 

[Chemical X]

i believe and have no reason to doubt the jets beat guys but……hall isn’t yet practicing with the team. if he plays week 1 it will be about 10 months post surgery. the nfl is a violent league and hall is a young man, why would the jets risk and rush him now that cook is signed? i follow everything jets and i have the feeling that israel a is ahead of carter and bam. he makes the rooster. hall, cook in. jets can’t carry 5 rbs and feel like one of carter or bam have value to not lose for free. i think hall avoids the PUP list to start the season only if carter or bam can be dealt. if not, i think hall starts PUP which is now 4 weeks and allows the jets to keep the other 4 and see how injuries around the league play out during those 4 weeks. i just don’t think the jets trusted the izzy, bam, carter trio enough without knowing hall’s status for sure. i think cook, shoulder permitting, is a 75-90% man the first 4 weeks, hall PUP then integrated slowly after week 5 to build up. if hall is hall, i think he becomes a max 65-75% guy the rest of the way.

The Jets beat guys have no clue. They are just repeating what the team tells them. Is the team being sincere? Who knows.

I disagree, the team might have the best beat guys going and they are speaking in absolutes for the most part, not allowing for an out if they are wrong. I have total confidence he'll be active in week one, fully expect him to come off PUP in next week or two.

meno…who do you believe is odd man out between carter and bam and do you think 1 is cut if not dealt?

 

[menobrown]

i believe and have no reason to doubt the jets beat guys but……hall isn’t yet practicing with the team. if he plays week 1 it will be about 10 months post surgery. the nfl is a violent league and hall is a young man, why would the jets risk and rush him now that cook is signed? i follow everything jets and i have the feeling that israel a is ahead of carter and bam. he makes the rooster. hall, cook in. jets can’t carry 5 rbs and feel like one of carter or bam have value to not lose for free. i think hall avoids the PUP list to start the season only if carter or bam can be dealt. if not, i think hall starts PUP which is now 4 weeks and allows the jets to keep the other 4 and see how injuries around the league play out during those 4 weeks. i just don’t think the jets trusted the izzy, bam, carter trio enough without knowing hall’s status for sure. i think cook, shoulder permitting, is a 75-90% man the first 4 weeks, hall PUP then integrated slowly after week 5 to build up. if hall is hall, i think he becomes a max 65-75% guy the rest of the way.

The Jets beat guys have no clue. They are just repeating what the team tells them. Is the team being sincere? Who knows.

I disagree, the team might have the best beat guys going and they are speaking in absolutes for the most part, not allowing for an out if they are wrong. I have total confidence he'll be active in week one, fully expect him to come off PUP in next week or two.

meno…who do you believe is odd man out between carter and bam and do you think 1 is cut if not dealt?

Thanks for asking and yes one is likely getting cut or traded but just guessing on who and I'd say Carter. Further guessing I think one of them might draw back a late day 3 pick, and the answer to the question might be whichever one can draw the most back in trade comp. But with Israel a presumed lock I don't see them keeping 5.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

my best guess

Breece stays on the PUP until he's absolutely 100%...my guess is after the week 7 bye it becomes Breece's team. Until then Cook shoulders a big part of the load.

The early part of the Jets schedule is brutal....this is a blessing in disguise as teams could be riding a fresh Breece Hall right through the fantasy playoffs. A 50/50 type split is possible if both are 100 percent healthy in the back half of the season.

This puts Breece as being overvalued in redrafts at current ADP and probably a good buy low in dynasty. This is a one year deal so Breece should be the bellcow in 2024.

Bob Marley - Stir it up

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"Trip It Up"

Glad you're here leading the charge thru redrafts
Cheers!

 

[-jb-]

Now coming off PUP. What a week!

https://x.com/zackblatt/status/1691439210413056000?s=46&t=PwkFp_Wr3E6KJ4WHS2NUsw

 

[Weebs210]

Now coming off PUP. What a week!

https://x.com/zackblatt/status/1691439210413056000?s=46&t=PwkFp_Wr3E6KJ4WHS2NUsw

Welcome back King

 

[Dr. Octopus]

This news almost assures that Hall is ready to play Week 1, since now the only option would be moving him to IR.

It's likely to be a bit messy of a situation with Cook around - but Hall should still have week to week RB2/3 value, with potential to still return RB1 value some weeks.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I have total confidence he'll be active in week one, fully expect him to come off PUP in next week or two.

There you go.

 

[Kiddnets]

This news almost assures that Hall is ready to play Week 1, since now the only option would be moving him to IR.

It's likely to be a bit messy of a situation with Cook around - but Hall should still have week to week RB3 value, with potential to still return RB1 value some weeks.

If I could get Breece as a #2 Id be thrilled! Could see him as a league winner as the JEt schedule loosens up after the 1st month or so.

 

[Chemical X]

back at practice, so let’s see what he looks like.

 

[Ilov80s]

That should put some friction to his sliding value for redraft. I have a big draft this weekend and I wonder if I can get a nice value on him. My guess is everyone will know about Cook signing and be hesitant but I bet most won't know he was back at practice and that Cook isn't ready to practice yet.

 

[Ilov80s]

Saleh said he is optimistic Hall will be ready to play week 1.

 

[travdogg]

My initial reaction was thinking neither RB will be a top-20 guy, but after thinking about it more, I think this might be a more productive version of Jones/Dillon, an easy comp with the Rodgers/Hackett duo.

I've got Hall as RB12 and as a 3rd rounder, with Cook as RB30 and a 7th rounder. A 55-45 split with Hall likely seeing more receiving and GL work, and Cook being more of a salt the game away guy.

The signing lends some credence to the idea that even with Rodgers the Jets identity will still be run the ball and win with defense, but now they have a plan B if that fails.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

My initial reaction was thinking neither RB will be a top-20 guy, but after thinking about it more, I think this might be a more productive version of Jones/Dillon, an easy comp with the Rodgers/Hackett duo.

I've got Hall as RB12 and as a 3rd rounder, with Cook as RB30 and a 7th rounder. A 55-45 split with Hall likely seeing more receiving and GL work, and Cook being more of a salt the game away guy.

The signing lends some credence to the idea that even with Rodgers the Jets identity will still be run the ball and win with defense, but now they have a plan B if that fails.

They didn't pay Cook $8.5M to be a 2nd fiddle IMHO
I know Hall supporters don't want to hear this but I expect Hall to miss a few weeks, coach's always say their guys are going to be ready.
I could see the Jets resting Hall early and when he's fully healthy which he might already be but if he needs more rehab/time, I think the Cook signing was smart by the Jets

 

[Kiddnets]

My initial reaction was thinking neither RB will be a top-20 guy, but after thinking about it more, I think this might be a more productive version of Jones/Dillon, an easy comp with the Rodgers/Hackett duo.

I've got Hall as RB12 and as a 3rd rounder, with Cook as RB30 and a 7th rounder. A 55-45 split with Hall likely seeing more receiving and GL work, and Cook being more of a salt the game away guy.

The signing lends some credence to the idea that even with Rodgers the Jets identity will still be run the ball and win with defense, but now they have a plan B if that fails.

They didn't pay Cook $8.5M to be a 2nd fiddle IMHO
I know Hall supporters don't want to hear this but I expect Hall to miss a few weeks, coach's always say their guys are going to be ready.
I could see the Jets resting Hall early and when he's fully healthy which he might already be but if he needs more rehab/time, I think the Cook signing was smart by the Jets

I wouldnt read too much into the $8M - they had money to burn with Rodgers dramatic pay cut and they want to give him some return for leaving the $ on the table. I see Cook/Hall splitting in the early going to keep Breece's workload manageable - but Hall taking over down the stretch. Ill take the discount.

 

[Weebs210]

My initial reaction was thinking neither RB will be a top-20 guy, but after thinking about it more, I think this might be a more productive version of Jones/Dillon, an easy comp with the Rodgers/Hackett duo.

I've got Hall as RB12 and as a 3rd rounder, with Cook as RB30 and a 7th rounder. A 55-45 split with Hall likely seeing more receiving and GL work, and Cook being more of a salt the game away guy.

The signing lends some credence to the idea that even with Rodgers the Jets identity will still be run the ball and win with defense, but now they have a plan B if that fails.

They didn't pay Cook $8.5M to be a 2nd fiddle IMHO
I know Hall supporters don't want to hear this but I expect Hall to miss a few weeks, coach's always say their guys are going to be ready.
I could see the Jets resting Hall early and when he's fully healthy which he might already be but if he needs more rehab/time, I think the Cook signing was smart by the Jets

Disagree. If cook was coming in to be the guy he would have signed a long time ago for 8 mil. It was reported that jets and cook didn't see eye to eye on his role. Breece is 1a when he's ready.

 

[menobrown]

My initial reaction was thinking neither RB will be a top-20 guy, but after thinking about it more, I think this might be a more productive version of Jones/Dillon, an easy comp with the Rodgers/Hackett duo.

I've got Hall as RB12 and as a 3rd rounder, with Cook as RB30 and a 7th rounder. A 55-45 split with Hall likely seeing more receiving and GL work, and Cook being more of a salt the game away guy.

The signing lends some credence to the idea that even with Rodgers the Jets identity will still be run the ball and win with defense, but now they have a plan B if that fails.

They didn't pay Cook $8.5M to be a 2nd fiddle IMHO
I know Hall supporters don't want to hear this but I expect Hall to miss a few weeks, coach's always say their guys are going to be ready.
I could see the Jets resting Hall early and when he's fully healthy which he might already be but if he needs more rehab/time, I think the Cook signing was smart by the Jets

I wouldnt read too much into the $8M - they had money to burn with Rodgers dramatic pay cut and they want to give him some return for leaving the $ on the table. I see Cook/Hall splitting in the early going to keep Breece's workload manageable - but Hall taking over down the stretch. Ill take the discount.

Right.

I get it's a position that multiple players are on the field at the same time but they gave Lazard $11M a year and I don't hear anyone thinking that's going to be a drag on Wilson.

Dalvin wanted to at minimum beat the Miles Sanders/Montgomery contracts, the Jets are all in win now mode and this is the amount of money it took to seal the deal. There is nothing else to this and Breece Hall's biggest obstacle to fantasy success this upcoming season remains his health, not Dalvin.

As a side note I was thinking last night, or wondering, what does Rodgers not like about Hopkins? I say that because they are obviously letting Rodgers have input on some of these signings, as they should for various reasons. IMO their WR need is quite large, it's Wilson and a bunch of spares. They were in on OBJ because Rodgers wanted him but never heard them interested in Hopkins. Seems like a better use of resources to me but I don't think Rodgers wanted him and fwiw Rodgers has looked like a pretty shaky GM so far.

 

[Biabreakable]

My initial reaction was thinking neither RB will be a top-20 guy, but after thinking about it more, I think this might be a more productive version of Jones/Dillon, an easy comp with the Rodgers/Hackett duo.

I've got Hall as RB12 and as a 3rd rounder, with Cook as RB30 and a 7th rounder. A 55-45 split with Hall likely seeing more receiving and GL work, and Cook being more of a salt the game away guy.

The signing lends some credence to the idea that even with Rodgers the Jets identity will still be run the ball and win with defense, but now they have a plan B if that fails.

They didn't pay Cook $8.5M to be a 2nd fiddle IMHO
I know Hall supporters don't want to hear this but I expect Hall to miss a few weeks, coach's always say their guys are going to be ready.
I could see the Jets resting Hall early and when he's fully healthy which he might already be but if he needs more rehab/time, I think the Cook signing was smart by the Jets

I wouldnt read too much into the $8M - they had money to burn with Rodgers dramatic pay cut and they want to give him some return for leaving the $ on the table. I see Cook/Hall splitting in the early going to keep Breece's workload manageable - but Hall taking over down the stretch. Ill take the discount.

Right.

I get it's a position that multiple players are on the field at the same time but they gave Lazard $11M a year and I don't hear anyone thinking that's going to be a drag on Wilson.

Dalvin wanted to at minimum beat the Miles Sanders/Montgomery contracts, the Jets are all in win now mode and this is the amount of money it took to seal the deal. There is nothing else to this and Breece Hall's biggest obstacle to fantasy success this upcoming season remains his health, not Dalvin.

As a side note I was thinking last night, or wondering, what does Rodgers not like about Hopkins? I say that because they are obviously letting Rodgers have input on some of these signings, as they should for various reasons. IMO their WR need is quite large, it's Wilson and a bunch of spares. They were in on OBJ because Rodgers wanted him but never heard them interested in Hopkins. Seems like a better use of resources to me but I don't think Rodgers wanted him and fwiw Rodgers has looked like a pretty shaky GM so far.

Well Rodgers does talk to Gnomes.

 

[Faust]

ESPN’s Rich Cimini said Jets RB Breece Hall is still dealing with “occasional knee soreness.”

Hall just returned to practice on Monday after being sidelined with a torn ACL suffered in Week 7. While reports on Hall have been mostly positive this offseason, it’s not surprising to hear he’s still sore 10 months after surgery, but the second-year running back also said he “wonders whether he can make certain cuts,” per Cimini. This could serve as yet another sign that Hall will be limited to start the season, which likely spurred the team’s decision to sign Dalvin Cook earlier this week. Currently going as a high-end RB2 in drafts, Hall should return to form at some point this season, but fantasy managers may need to temper expectations out the gate.

 

[Ilov80s]

ESPN’s Rich Cimini said Jets RB Breece Hall is still dealing with “occasional knee soreness.”

Hall just returned to practice on Monday after being sidelined with a torn ACL suffered in Week 7. While reports on Hall have been mostly positive this offseason, it’s not surprising to hear he’s still sore 10 months after surgery, but the second-year running back also said he “wonders whether he can make certain cuts,” per Cimini. This could serve as yet another sign that Hall will be limited to start the season, which likely spurred the team’s decision to sign Dalvin Cook earlier this week. Currently going as a high-end RB2 in drafts, Hall should return to form at some point this season, but fantasy managers may need to temper expectations out the gate.

Seems like the inevitable cold water. He’s really pushing the timeline for week 1. Hopefully they take it slow.

 

[Dez]

Rotoballer's Josh Hayes has given Hall a 9th round redraft value on his show this morning. (Says Dalvin is 4th)

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Rotoballer's Josh Hayes has given Hall a 9th round redraft value on his show this morning. (Says Dalvin is 4th)

That seems premature considering Hall is back at practice and Cook isn’t.

That said, if the assertion is that Hall will follow the trend of RB coming off ACL being ~80% of their former selves the 1st year back he might be right.

I’m avoiding that backfield in redraft if I can help it, but I’m still bullish on Hall for dynasty.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

My initial reaction was thinking neither RB will be a top-20 guy, but after thinking about it more, I think this might be a more productive version of Jones/Dillon, an easy comp with the Rodgers/Hackett duo.

I've got Hall as RB12 and as a 3rd rounder, with Cook as RB30 and a 7th rounder. A 55-45 split with Hall likely seeing more receiving and GL work, and Cook being more of a salt the game away guy.

The signing lends some credence to the idea that even with Rodgers the Jets identity will still be run the ball and win with defense, but now they have a plan B if that fails.

They didn't pay Cook $8.5M to be a 2nd fiddle IMHO
I know Hall supporters don't want to hear this but I expect Hall to miss a few weeks, coach's always say their guys are going to be ready.
I could see the Jets resting Hall early and when he's fully healthy which he might already be but if he needs more rehab/time, I think the Cook signing was smart by the Jets

I wouldnt read too much into the $8M - they had money to burn with Rodgers dramatic pay cut and they want to give him some return for leaving the $ on the table. I see Cook/Hall splitting in the early going to keep Breece's workload manageable - but Hall taking over down the stretch. Ill take the discount.

My initial reaction was thinking neither RB will be a top-20 guy, but after thinking about it more, I think this might be a more productive version of Jones/Dillon, an easy comp with the Rodgers/Hackett duo.

I've got Hall as RB12 and as a 3rd rounder, with Cook as RB30 and a 7th rounder. A 55-45 split with Hall likely seeing more receiving and GL work, and Cook being more of a salt the game away guy.

The signing lends some credence to the idea that even with Rodgers the Jets identity will still be run the ball and win with defense, but now they have a plan B if that fails.

They didn't pay Cook $8.5M to be a 2nd fiddle IMHO
I know Hall supporters don't want to hear this but I expect Hall to miss a few weeks, coach's always say their guys are going to be ready.
I could see the Jets resting Hall early and when he's fully healthy which he might already be but if he needs more rehab/time, I think the Cook signing was smart by the Jets

Disagree. If cook was coming in to be the guy he would have signed a long time ago for 8 mil. It was reported that jets and cook didn't see eye to eye on his role. Breece is 1a when he's ready.

1st and foremost thank you for the replies, I wanted to digest it for more than a minute because quite frankly I enjoy reading your alls posts, especially during the season and Sunday Mornings, you guys are usually around and we use each other to bounce ideas off one another. I just had 1 of my 25+ yr Redraft leagues talk about the fact that I have to be the luckiest SOB to walk on the waiver wire at about 11:30-Noon on Sunday Morning and start making 1-Day pick ups. I can fill a Flex or 3rd WR, occasionally a TE and just plug them in for a week and cut them by Tuesday. I learned how to do that here on the boards IMHO over a long period of time.

Back to the posts, i'm not going to argue with you or play tug of war. I feel strongly that Cook is going to do well and I want to simply point to the 2020 Tampa Bay Bucs, that looks like the playbook the Jets are running right now, Rodgers might be more comfortable with Cook back there to start and they'll still use Breece Hall for some explosive plays but I think Cook is going to have more touches than you all think. He might be the Fournette they are looking for. I wasn't in the room and neither were any of you when this disagreement happened over his role...and yet they let him right into practice and he saw 1st hand what he could produce and do in that offense and I think he knew where he wanted to be.

Both of you are duly noted though and I agree about Lazard. MoP Jr was on the phone this morning on his way into work and likes to tune into the MOP Morning Podcast and he brought up Lazard and my answer was No No No No No No...and a few more after that and told him to start zoning in on Garret Wilson who is set to take the NFL by storm this year, you thought he looked good last year with that mess as a Rookie, forget it, he's a steal if you waited on WR in the 1st 2 Rounds, just get comfy with him and buckle up.

Cheers, both of you