RB Breece Hall, NYJ (3 Viewers)

[Deamon]

Sitting in the 6 spot (PPR) this year and while I would prefer Chase, Amon Ra, Lamb or Hill (I expect all to be gone + McCaffery) I am leaning towards Hall @6.

Good Idea? Bad Idea? Thoughts? or who would be a better consideration?

I think Breece goes before Amonra even in PPR, in many leagues. I'd also consider bijan over hall... they're almost ranked exactly the same for me.

You can't go wrong with any of CMC, Lamb, Hill, Chase, ASB, JJ, Hall, or Bijan there. Would lean towards Breece or Bijan if Chase is gone.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Sitting in the 6 spot (PPR) this year and while I would prefer Chase, Amon Ra, Lamb or Hill (I expect all to be gone + McCaffery) I am leaning towards Hall @6.

Good Idea? Bad Idea? Thoughts? or who would be a better consideration?

I think Breece goes before Amonra even in PPR, in many leagues. I'd also consider bijan over hall... they're almost ranked exactly the same for me.

You can't go wrong with any of CMC, Lamb, Hill, Chase, ASB, JJ, Hall, or Bijan there. Would lean towards Breece or Bijan if Chase is gone.

Yeah, if the top 5 are who you think they’ll be, then your choices are Hall, Bijan or Jefferson. If you like Hall the best of those, then go for it.

 

[Faust]

Robby Sabo
Ohhh man, Breece Hall just abused a cover man. I can’t reveal it obviously, but I loved the O look on that one, what Aaron Rodgers and the #Jets offense did with Breece pre-snap and what Breece did for himself post-snap. His route-running is severely underrated (and that’s not even to say folks think he can’t do it; they know he can, but it’s so damn good that it’s still underrated).

In other words, space was created for him to cook a defender 1v1, and AR delivered it perfectly (5-8 yards in air with loads of RAC opp, and I mean loads).

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[H8fulHuck]

Sitting in the 6 spot (PPR) this year and while I would prefer Chase, Amon Ra, Lamb or Hill (I expect all to be gone + McCaffery) I am leaning towards Hall @6.

Good Idea? Bad Idea? Thoughts? or who would be a better consideration?

I think Breece goes before Amonra even in PPR, in many leagues. I'd also consider bijan over hall... they're almost ranked exactly the same for me.

You can't go wrong with any of CMC, Lamb, Hill, Chase, ASB, JJ, Hall, or Bijan there. Would lean towards Breece or Bijan if Chase is gone.

Yeah, if the top 5 are who you think they’ll be, then your choices are Hall, Bijan or Jefferson. If you like Hall the best of those, then go for it.

Breece is a great pick. Could challenge CMC for the top RB. I like him better than Bijan. I’d still take any of the top WR adding Jefferson to the list, so basically I have Breece at 7.

Underdog ADP
CMC
Lamb
Hill
Chase
Jefferson
Ra
Bijan
Breece

 

[Payne]

I would take Breece over Bijan all day.

 

[Faust]

Zack Rosenblatt
Aaron Rodgers just hit Breece Hall in the end zone with a laser from about 10-15 yards out.

Tyron Smith dominating his matchup vs Thibodeaux. #Jets

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Connor Hughes
Some good news for #Jets on two fronts.

This offense will run through Breece Hall this year — both as a runner & receiver

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[Faust]

Ryan McDowell
Breece Hall had one carry inside the 5-yard line last season. One.

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[Jamesinaz]

Wonder how you all rank them in non-PPR standatd scoring? I'm going 6th in 1 team redraft and torn. I expect before I get a decision CMC, Lamb and Hill are all gone. That means I'll be choosing from Ra, Chase, Bijan or Breece. Thoughts on if Non-PPR is that big a change in the order?

 

[kyoun1e]

Ryan McDowell
Breece Hall had one carry inside the 5-yard line last season. One.

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I'd expect this to change significantly.

Offense will be much improved and that D is lock down. I could see Breece getting a lot of 2nd half carries milking the clock.

 

[LawFitz]

Offense will be much improved and that D is lock down. I could see Breece getting a lot of 2nd half carries milking the clock.

If the Jets are sporting double digit leads late in games, the most logical approach IMO would be to grind and smash one or both of their 235 and 220 lb standout rookie RBs over their thoroughbred gamechanger.

Doesn't mean Hall won't get his and more creating those leads. Jets look primed to play smashball this year.

 

[Ilov80s]

Offense will be much improved and that D is lock down. I could see Breece getting a lot of 2nd half carries milking the clock.

If the Jets are sporting double digit leads late in games, the most logical approach IMO would be to grind and smash one or both of their 235 and 220 lb standout rookie RBs over their thoroughbred gamechanger.

Doesn't mean Hall won't get his and more creating those leads. Jets look primed to play smashball this year.

I would also say the logical approach would be in week 18, a meaningless 6-10 team wouldn’t give their star young RB 39 touches but the Jets sure did that.

 

[LawFitz]

Offense will be much improved and that D is lock down. I could see Breece getting a lot of 2nd half carries milking the clock.

If the Jets are sporting double digit leads late in games, the most logical approach IMO would be to grind and smash one or both of their 235 and 220 lb standout rookie RBs over their thoroughbred gamechanger.

Doesn't mean Hall won't get his and more creating those leads. Jets look primed to play smashball this year.

I would also say the logical approach would be in week 18, a meaningless 6-10 team wouldn’t give their star young RB 39 touches but the Jets sure did that.

Not the same. Jets would have way more reason to rest Hall (during blowouts) ahead of a developing playoff run. Season-end last year could logically be seen as a showcase and test for their shiny new toy.

That said, your point that NFL teams, and the Jets more specifically, may not operate logically still stands.

 

[kyoun1e]

Offense will be much improved and that D is lock down. I could see Breece getting a lot of 2nd half carries milking the clock.

If the Jets are sporting double digit leads late in games, the most logical approach IMO would be to grind and smash one or both of their 235 and 220 lb standout rookie RBs over their thoroughbred gamechanger.

Doesn't mean Hall won't get his and more creating those leads. Jets look primed to play smashball this year.

True.

However, that D is going to give the offense more possessions.

Hall should get plenty of touches that's for sure.

 

[brewer]

If the narrative is that the Defense is going to generate lots of turnovers and the Jets offense is going to be playing against tired defenses, Hall will not need many touches to be extremely productive.

 

[RaidersAreOne]

Had the choice between Bijan and Breece and sided with Breece. I know this is a very split debate but I feel like you can't go wrong either direction.

 

[kyoun1e]

Had the choice between Bijan and Breece and sided with Breece. I know this is a very split debate but I feel like you can't go wrong either direction.

At #3 I'll take either but would prefer Breece. He doesn't have an Allgiere hanging around.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Had the choice between Bijan and Breece and sided with Breece. I know this is a very split debate but I feel like you can't go wrong either direction.

At #3 I'll take either but would prefer Breece. He doesn't have an Allgiere hanging around.

Indeed. He has someone even better.

 

[Panda13]

You guys cuffing Hall w/Allen? I currently have Wright and Corum and hate to drop either of those for Allen. I like having someone else's cuff rather than your own. Thoughts?

 

[nittanylion]

Stay the course, @Panda13.
Corum and Wright are the two most valuable RB futures in the 2024 RB Draft Class, IMHO, and they both have higher stand alone upside value than BAllen, if their situations were to change during the Season.

 

[Winning IS Everything]

You guys cuffing Hall w/Allen? I currently have Wright and Corum and hate to drop either of those for Allen. I like having someone else's cuff rather than your own. Thoughts?

I agree with nittanylion. I had the opportunity to cuff Breece with Allen but took Wright instead. By my next pick Allen was gone, but I did not mind. Corum was already gone, but I would have taken him after Wright, but before Allen.

 

[Payne]

You guys cuffing Hall w/Allen? I currently have Wright and Corum and hate to drop either of those for Allen. I like having someone else's cuff rather than your own. Thoughts?

If redraft, I am cuffing Hall all day, every day. I want to win. Not play games with somebody else's backup.

 

[TLEF316]

As a Jets fan, I'm conditioned to expect the worst. So yes...I drafted hall 4th and cuffed him with Allen in the 12th

 

[Panda13]

Seems like it's a 50/50 split here. Hmmm

 

[Hartliner]

You guys cuffing Hall w/Allen? I currently have Wright and Corum and hate to drop either of those for Allen. I like having someone else's cuff rather than your own. Thoughts?

Statistically, hear its better to grab someone else’s backup. Its risk reward case by case. I had Breece in 2/3 leagues. I never got B. Allen. I did get J. Wright tho in 3/3 FWIW. Checkout lotto RB thread to maybe get more info on this topic?

 

[RaidersAreOne]

I am 100% handcuffing Breece with Allen.

 

[mjm3773]

I drafted Allen, but dropped him to pick up Taysom (my other TEs are Bowers and Freiermuth). I dropped Allen instead of Jaylen Wright (my other RBs besides Breece are Henry, Aaron Jones, and Dowdle, and we can only start a max of 2 per week).

Allen remains out on the WW.

 

[rodalive]

You guys cuffing Hall w/Allen? I currently have Wright and Corum and hate to drop either of those for Allen. I like having someone else's cuff rather than your own. Thoughts?

If redraft, I am cuffing Hall all day, every day. I want to win. Not play games with somebody else's backup.

If you are trying to win your local home league yes feel free to play it safe and handcuff, not if you are trying to take down a national contest

 

[nittanylion]

IMHO, and with all due respect, if Breece Hall is out for any length of time, the likelihood that Braelon Allen produces any numbers close to the statistical output that a healthy Hall will produce, is, very unlikely. They are two completely different backs, and you're trying to replace the production of an Alpha RB1 who has a ceiling of RB1 overall. Allen is a complimentary back, not a handcuff.

Across multiple High Stakes entries, I have only 1 share of Breece; I was not fortunate enough to be in position to draft him.
The particular League I drafted him in favors RB somewhat, and I chose him as overall RB2, behind CMC. This is a sizeable ROI on a large $ investment, local League, which I take very seriously. It didn't even cross my mind to prioritize Allen in the way I would prioritize Jordan Mason or Tyler Allgeier, had I drafted CMC or Bijan. Those guys are what I consider real handcuffs.


What works for me, in supplementing a Hero or Stud RB, is, amassing a depth of upside pieces with a path to snaps, that not only build me a stable of statistically viable backs, but serve to undermine the managers who draft the other rbs in the same caliber as my Hero/Stud.

It's my opinion, but I think Kyren has one of the weakest holds on a starting RB gig in top rushing offense in the NFL, and Corum overtaking him is a when, not an if, and that's a 50/50 soon out of the gate. He is better than Kyren.
Mike McD has already indicated JWright will get snap share right alongside healthy Mostert and Achane, and he was a surgical strike of a draft pick, perfect fit for that offense. He IS Mostert/Achane.

Allgeier and Mason and Montgomery are capable of posting Bijan/CMC/Gibbs #'s. One has done it already and the other is part of a system and the 3rd is some of both.

Or you can take 'lesser' RB1's who will dominate touches and are cheaper. Singletary is my favorite example of this type. Rhamondre, Swift, ZWhite, Chuba are others.

There are a bunch of other split backfields out there where the other half is going to get help, rather than morph into an RB1 caliber statistical generator if his partner goes down.

There is no true 'handcuff' for Breece, Taylor, Barkley, Jacobs, Etienne, Pacheco, Cook, Kamara, Walker, Mixon or Conner, which takes us through all the RB1's I'd consider headlining a stable with in 2024.

Every one of those situations is going to involve either a committee, or a back not capable of producing enough of an approximation to matter, at least IMHO (and yes, that includes Ray Davis, who I think people are sorely mistaken if they're chasing James Cook production from him).

Jaleel McLaughlin and Justice Hill are two others i expect to perform admirably in their offenses, in a pinch.

That being the case, well ahead of BAllen, I hunted all those guys during my Breece Draft.


I wound up with Breece, Pacheco, JCook, Singletary, JWright, JMason and JHill.

Annoyed I didn't get Corum or Allgeier, but you can't get 'em all.

My .02¢. Good luck!

 

[LionOfGosforth]

So how are we feeling about Breece going forward? I only saw bits of the game, nice to see him get in the end zone. Definitely a tough matchup for him but he did ok, apart from the fumble. Greater concern was the Jets D and how little they possessed the ball after scoring that TD. Any concerns or just a tough opponent?

 

[the moops]

54 yards and a TD on the ground. 40 yards and 5 catches. Performed as well or better than any other first round RB pick minus Barkley. No concern

 

[Kiddnets]

So how are we feeling about Breece going forward? I only saw bits of the game, nice to see him get in the end zone. Definitely a tough matchup for him but he did ok, apart from the fumble. Greater concern was the Jets D and how little they possessed the ball after scoring that TD. Any concerns or just a tough opponent?

jets barely had the ball yesterday - Breece had a key fumble and drop - and still put up respectable stats. Hes gonna feast -

 

[mrfrood]

I felt reassured that he is going to get the ball a ton this year. He was never out of the game until the very end. I think he is going to do what CMAC did last year.

 

[Runkle]

To add, I don't think Braelon Allen saw the field until after they pulled Rodgers and Hall. They seemed comfortable having Hall in the backfield all game until waving the white flag.

 

[LionOfGosforth]

So 3 games in and Hall is doing...pretty well I guess. Outside of Barkley week 1 and Cook week 2, there haven't been too many eye popping RB performances. Workhorse backs are hard to find, maybe Jacobs will be that this year in GB. Allegier is getting plenty of work alongside Robinson for example. I try to stay glass half full so to me, the usage of Allen is somewhat to Hall's benefit and I think it means he's more likely to stay fresh longer into the season.

 

[Synthesizer]

All 3 games have basically been the same.... 15 carries, 5 catches, ~100 total yards, and 1 TD. In today's NFL, that's exactly what I want in a RB1.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

So 3 games in and Hall is doing...pretty well I guess. Outside of Barkley week 1 and Cook week 2, there haven't been too many eye popping RB performances. Workhorse backs are hard to find, maybe Jacobs will be that this year in GB. Allegier is getting plenty of work alongside Robinson for example. I try to stay glass half full so to me, the usage of Allen is somewhat to Hall's benefit and I think it means he's more likely to stay fresh longer into the season.

This is exactly where I’m at. Hall is getting about 70% of the touches, which will keep him fresh hopefully further into the season. Zero reason to have him out on the field in garbage time, zero reason to give him the rock 30x per game. That stuff looks nice for fantasy wins in weeks 1-4, but it burns out your RB and destroys a squad during fantasy playoffs.

 

[Terpman22]

So 3 games in and Hall is doing...pretty well I guess. Outside of Barkley week 1 and Cook week 2, there haven't been too many eye popping RB performances. Workhorse backs are hard to find, maybe Jacobs will be that this year in GB. Allegier is getting plenty of work alongside Robinson for example. I try to stay glass half full so to me, the usage of Allen is somewhat to Hall's benefit and I think it means he's more likely to stay fresh longer into the season.

I'm just here so I don't get fined....for mentioning Kamara's eye popping performance last week.

With that said, I also should say I'm an idiot Breece Hall owner that somehow FORGOT Allen was on waivers in the FA draft where I took Dylan Laube instead :(

 

[steelcityman]

My dynasty RB stable is full, but couldnt get any of my big RBs backups in the rookie draft, except one....

Barkley - missed on Shipley(tho I didnt like him at Clemson). If my team tanks, he'll be the first guy off my ship for future considerations.
Cook - missed on Davis, thought he'd be around in rd 3 and was wrong
Hall - Allen went mid 2nd rd
J Williams - got Estime, yeah!!!! But thats a long game, maybe next year he is the RB1, but probably nothing this year.
Did steal Irving tho late.

I like the usage Hall got last night, he was the goal line RB, caught enough passes, he is really good on pass pro too.

 

[Big Nate]

So 3 games in and Hall is doing...pretty well I guess. Outside of Barkley week 1 and Cook week 2, there haven't been too many eye popping RB performances. Workhorse backs are hard to find, maybe Jacobs will be that this year in GB. Allegier is getting plenty of work alongside Robinson for example. I try to stay glass half full so to me, the usage of Allen is somewhat to Hall's benefit and I think it means he's more likely to stay fresh longer into the season.

They have to keep him fresh so it is a pretty good split. Allen got more work as well this game with the Jets handling NE pretty easily.

One thing to not forget - Rogers was shocked when he first played with Hall as to how good Halls hands and route running was. Rogers 100% trusts Hall in the passing game with the check downs.

Side note - I did see twice where Hall got lit up on pass pro this past game. He did his job by getting in the way of the rusher and not letting him get to Rogers but damn he got smoked twice (same defender).

If you are in a PPR league with Hall you are laughing all the way to the bank. Also I think Hall could easily score 12 TDs this year, maybe 15 if this offense keeps humming like it is.

 

[Runkle]

 

[ghostguy123]

Is there something wrong with him??

 

[LionOfGosforth]

What in the world man. Close game against a bad run D and....nada

 

[TLEF316]

Dude was shaving points today or something. One of the worst physical and mental efforts I've ever seen

 

[rockaction]

Is there something wrong with him??

I was going to write a thing about it last week. I would say that there is, and I'm not sure what it is. He's missing a gear. He's now close to two years removed from ACL, so that shouldn't be the issue. Perhaps the forty touches they gave him against NE back in Dec. or Jan. have taken their toll. I was watching his explosive runs from throughout his career (even though it's been short he's had a metric ton of them) and he looked different last year. Something seems up.

 

[Wigglytuff's Gruff]

Hackett is crap. Does nothing for any of his offensive players

 

[Uncle Leo]

Weird. My #1 target this year. It’s not like Allen is taking his points either.

 

[leftcoastheel]

Worst consensus top 3 pick in recent memory.

 

[irish eyes]

Worst consensus top 3 pick in recent memory.

Try having him & Garrett Wilson on your dynasty team like me. Hot garbage

 

[rockaction]

Worst consensus top 3 pick in recent memory.

Worst comment in recent history. He was averaging 20 points a game in PPR leagues through three games.

Do you guys watch football?

 

[rockaction]

Try having him & Garrett Wilson on your dynasty team like me. Hot garbage

Won a title and went to the finals with Breece after I traded up to get him 1.01 in '22. No ragrets. This will turn around or the Jets will collapse as a whole because that means something is truly dysfunctional up front with the line.