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RB Carlos Hyde, JAC (1 Viewer)

Love to see both of those lists
FA's= Bell, Coleman, Ingram, Anderson, Ware, Lynch(assuming he isn't retiring) Montgomery, Gore(same as Lynch) 

Those guys are without question to me, more useful players than Hyde. Guys I prefer, but can see cases against: Ajayi, M.Davis, Sproles, Murray, Blue, Powell, Abdullah. Guys that I'd put as equal to Hyde: Yeldon, Peterson, Martin, Allen, Morris.

I don't really have a draft ranking in front of me at the moment. But anybody in the 1st 4 rounds beats Hyde for me.

Hyde is not a good RB, I'm not sure he ever was. I fully expect him out of the NFL by 2020. 

 
FA's= Bell, Coleman, Ingram, Anderson, Ware, Lynch(assuming he isn't retiring) Montgomery, Gore(same as Lynch) 

Those guys are without question to me, more useful players than Hyde. Guys I prefer, but can see cases against: Ajayi, M.Davis, Sproles, Murray, Blue, Powell, Abdullah. Guys that I'd put as equal to Hyde: Yeldon, Peterson, Martin, Allen, Morris.

I don't really have a draft ranking in front of me at the moment. But anybody in the 1st 4 rounds beats Hyde for me.

Hyde is not a good RB, I'm not sure he ever was. I fully expect him out of the NFL by 2020. 
I'd put Hyde about equal with CJ Anderson on your list, I see him as 4 or 5 there, he wasn't that bad and is an all around back

 
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I'd put Hyde about equal with CJ Anderson on your list, I see him as 4 or 5 there, he wasn't that bad and is an all around back
I'd strongly disagree with the all around back ability of Hyde. I'd actually call him one of the most one dimensional backs in the NFL. He has been a giant liability in the passing game for years now. He led all RB's in drops in 2017(the only year the 49ers, for some reason, featured him as a pass catcher) and he's finished last and 2nd to last the last 2 years in PFF's pass blocking ratings. Combine that with a sub 4.0 yards per carry in each of the last 2 seasons(with 3 different teams, 2 of whom immediately had rushing success the second he left) and I really struggle coming up with reasons why Hyde isn't AAF bound.

 
Good chance he signs with Chiefs tonight or tomorrow.
As a Hyde dynasty owner, I couldn’t think of a better scenario. Instead of dropping him, I get to hope the chiefs don’t draft a RB and a couple Williams get hurt and I got a pretty decent starter on my hands.

 
ESPN's Adam Schefter reports free agent Carlos Hyde will visit the Chiefs on Saturday.

There's no denying the Chiefs need to add depth at the position with only 2018 UDFA Darrel Williams behind postseason-standout Damien Williams at this time, but Hyde admittedly doesn't fit the profile of a back that could step in and play an every-down role in the event the former goes down. Fortunately, that's good news for Dam. Williams' current Best Ball owners as he approaches his first opportunity as a full-time starter in his age-27 season. Hyde could potentially threaten Damien's goal-line reps if the 29-year-old veteran finds a home in Kansas City.

SOURCE: Adam Schefter on Twitter

Mar 8, 2019, 9:04 PM

 
As a Hyde dynasty owner, I couldn’t think of a better scenario. Instead of dropping him, I get to hope the chiefs don’t draft a RB and a couple Williams get hurt and I got a pretty decent starter on my hands.
For a best case scenario, that's a lot of things.  If Hyde signs with KC, this may be your last chance to sell...unless you want to roll the dice on all those other things going your way.  If they do, owners could sell the KC starting back for much, much more, but I'd be dealing if Hyde signs with the Chiefs.

 
Only problem with Hyde to KC is that KC would still need a RB.
Zing! Nah, that was funny. 

I think the problem with Hyde to KC is he doesn't integrate very well into the passing game, which is a nice way of saying he's a one-dimensional back in an offensive scheme that emphasizes RBs in the passing game.  

 
For a best case scenario, that's a lot of things.  If Hyde signs with KC, this may be your last chance to sell...unless you want to roll the dice on all those other things going your way.  If they do, owners could sell the KC starting back for much, much more, but I'd be dealing if Hyde signs with the Chiefs.
I was being a tad sarcastic.

 
Zing! Nah, that was funny. 

I think the problem with Hyde to KC is he doesn't integrate very well into the passing game, which is a nice way of saying he's a one-dimensional back in an offensive scheme that emphasizes RBs in the passing game.  


Yeah.  He definitely forgot how to catch a football in 1 year.  Good point.

 
Yeah.  He definitely forgot how to catch a football in 1 year.  Good point.
He's never been great in the passing game, actually. That's the knock on him from Harbaugh on through Shanahan and in Cleveland.  

Weird. It was mentioned upthread and is repeatedly an issue. I like him as a back, but more in a traditional offense where the back totes the rock more than checks down and catches it out of the backfield.  

 
Yeah.  He definitely forgot how to catch a football in 1 year.  Good point.
That was his only year of significant receptions.  And on a bad offense with a lack of other options.  When Jimmy G took over, those receptions dropped and SF started winning.  Hyde has never graded well at ProFootballFocus, especially as a receiver.  

 
That was his only year of significant receptions.  And on a bad offense with a lack of other options.  When Jimmy G took over, those receptions dropped and SF started winning.  Hyde has never graded well at ProFootballFocus, especially as a receiver.  


So because Garappolo started throwing downfield, Hyde suddenly couldn’t catch? Got it.

 
This guy has done nothing but play on crappy teams for crappy coaches and usually with crappy QBs his whole career.  Despite that he managed to be RB9 in yfs in 2017, including 59 receptions.  Now if Kamara or McCaffrey is your standard for RB receiving, I’ll agree that he doesn’t match up.  But don’t tell me he can’t catch out of the backfield when needed given his career resume.

 
This guy has done nothing but play on crappy teams for crappy coaches and usually with crappy QBs his whole career.  Despite that he managed to be RB9 in yfs in 2017, including 59 receptions.  Now if Kamara or McCaffrey is your standard for RB receiving, I’ll agree that he doesn’t match up.  But don’t tell me he can’t catch out of the backfield when needed given his career resume.
He was 9th in YFS in 2017 because he had a ton of touches. He sucked that year, he averaged under 4 yards per carry and under 6 yards per catch, while leading all RB's in dropped passes, and being the worst pass blocker in the NFL. He had 1,288 yards on 299 touches, almost any RB could have done that. 

 
He was 9th in YFS in 2017 because he had a ton of touches. He sucked that year, he averaged under 4 yards per carry and under 6 yards per catch, while leading all RB's in dropped passes, and being the worst pass blocker in the NFL. He had 1,288 yards on 299 touches, almost any RB could have done that. 


Do you research before you post, or just wing it and hope no one checks?  He was tied for 7th (8th) in touches that year and had all of 9 more touches over the season than 9th place.  In other words, his yfs and his touches matched up appropriately with workload and ypt when compared with other productive RBs.

 
Do you research before you post, or just wing it and hope no one checks?  He was tied for 7th (8th) in touches that year and had all of 9 more touches over the season than 9th place.  In other words, his yfs and his touches matched up appropriately with workload and ypt when compared with other productive RBs.
He averaged fewer yards per touch than 22 of the other top 25 RB's that season. Only Jordan Howard, Frank Gore, and Latavius Murray averaged less than Hyde, the others just got less work. All 3 of those guys had a higher catch% and were superior pass blockers, and Howard was/is clearly a better rusher.  Nobody is arguing any of those 3 guys are great pass catchers, and 2 are FA's just like Hyde, while one is firmly on the trade block.

 
Look, I’m not claiming Hyde is a top of the line stud RB.  He has had problems in career staying on the field with injuries and he can’t carry a team when surrounded by mediocrity or worse.  But he’s also shown that he’s definitely more than a 1 dimensional JAG like some are portraying him to be.  It looks like he could be a productive part of a strong offense and has shown that he can be a 3 down back even though it has been in really crappy situations to date.

But it can’t be denied that he’s been surrounded by **** in both coaches and teammates for the vast portion of his career - with the exception of a few games with Garappolo and at the beginning of a yet-to-be-determined HC Shanahan.  If he manages to latch on with the Chiefs under Reid and with Mahomes - which has not happened, obviously - then who knows how he’ll shake out?

 
So because Garappolo started throwing downfield, Hyde suddenly couldn’t catch? Got it.
Pff rated him as one of the worst pass catchers in football and his ypt numbers were brutal. In fact 350 yards on 88 targets. He looks like Blount. Anybody gains value going to the chiefs but you don’t get much worse as a receiver than Hyde.

 
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Do you research before you post, or just wing it and hope no one checks?  He was tied for 7th (8th) in touches that year and had all of 9 more touches over the season than 9th place.  In other words, his yfs and his touches matched up appropriately with workload and ypt when compared with other productive RBs.
I agree with you that hyde can catch, but when he got volume in a pass friendly scheme he had a 67 percent catch rate at 5.9 yards per catch. His career high is 6.0 yards per catch and he averages 5.6 per catch. In other words, he's capable of being a dump off guy, but he's not a weapon.

Contrast that with damien williams, who had an (unsustainable) 95.8 percent catch rate in kc last year, and is 77.7 percent in his career.  He averaged 7.0 last year and 8.3 for his career. 

Williams yards per carry was 5.1 last year in KC, but is only 4.0 in his career.  Hyde also has a 4.0 career ypc and ran for only 3.3 yards per carry last year. 

Neither has shown to be capable of handling a huge workload yet. In 5 starts last year he had 69 carries - 13.8 per game. Hyde has missed time every season but one. He's averaged 15-16.7 carries per game in different systems.  

Hyde's a decent veteran at this stage of his career. The good news is he's capable of being a 3 down back, the bad news is he's not great at any one thing, is coming off his worst year of his career, and is looking for his 4th team in two years. Going to kc would be the best thing his dynasty owners could hope for. 

I think if he ends up in kc, he's filling the ware role, not the charcandrick or hunt role.  In other words, you're looking at a role player who can fill in if needed, not a feature back.  I think he's a good hedge for kc in case williams can't handle the workload or doesn't look as good as he did in the second half.  If he gets signed he's a good dart throw but not a guy i would expect kc to feature unless williams falters.

If hyde does sign, though, i think it's fantastic news for damien williams.  He'd be the third rb they've got under contract and relatively low risk competition.  After Jacksonville failed to get a conditional 7th for him on a deal where he had 2 million guaranteed and about 4 million in salary left - about what williams signed for an extension.  The fact they're seriously considering hyde level guys is a good sign that they really do see williams as their starter. 

 
Damien Williams should be giddy if Hyde goes to KC, because he certainly isn't a threat. 


Because Williams is such a stud?  If Hyde gets held off by a replacement level RB like Williams (again, if he gets signed by KC) then he needs to retire.  He’s not even the best RB named Williams on the roster.  Either way, Williams owners are deluding themselves if they think he’ll hold the starting job this season.  Maybe a place holder for a rookie early on...maybe.

Odd that people are tearing up Hyde while Williams gets pimped.

 
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Pff rated him as one of the worst pass catchers in football and his ypt numbers were brutal. In fact 350 yards on 88 targets. He looks like Blount. Anybody gains value going to the chiefs but you don’t get much worse as a receiver than Hyde.


Yeah, put that on Hyde.

Other than 5 starts by Garappolo abd 2 by Mayfield, here’s the murderer’s row of WBs who threw passes to him:

Kaepernick

Gabbert

Beathard

Hoyer

Taylor

Bortles 

Kessler

In any case, I’ll bow out of this.  We’ll see.  His career may be done given how expendable RBs have become.

 
Because Williams is such a stud?  If Hyde gets held off by a replacement level RB like Williams (again, if he gets signed by KC) then he needs to retire.  He’s not even the best RB named Williams on the roster.  Either way, Williams owners are deluding themselves if they think he’ll hold the starting job this season.  Maybe a place holder for a rookie early on...maybe.

Odd that people are tearing up Hyde while Williams gets pimped.
It's not as much of an endorsement of Williams as it is a criticism of Hyde.   I can definitely see them drafting a RB high in the draft, or sign a high profile FA, and then Williams owners should worry.  Hyde?  Not so much.

 
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Because Williams is such a stud?  If Hyde gets held off by a replacement level RB like Williams (again, if he gets signed by KC) then he needs to retire.  He’s not even the best RB named Williams on the roster.  Either way, Williams owners are deluding themselves if they think he’ll hold the starting job this season.  Maybe a place holder for a rookie early on...maybe.

Odd that people are tearing up Hyde while Williams gets pimped.
Since November, williams got the first starting opportunity of his career, had 600 plus yards and 10 touchdowns in 6 games, got signed to an extension, had a dominant game against the colts in the playoffs and the gm said it was his job to lose.  

In the same timeframe, the browns traded hyde and his 3.4 yards per carry to Jacksonville for a 5th round pick, he put up 3.3 yards per carry. The Jaguars tried to trade him for literally anything while he was signed to a similar contract to williams, got no offers, and was cut to avoid paying a 2 million dollar bonus that would have come due March 15th. 

Those are not similar trajectories.

 
Yeah, put that on Hyde.

Other than 5 starts by Garappolo abd 2 by Mayfield, here’s the murderer’s row of WBs who threw passes to him:

Kaepernick

Gabbert

Beathard

Hoyer

Taylor

Bortles 

Kessler

In any case, I’ll bow out of this.  We’ll see.  His career may be done given how expendable RBs have become.
6 years into his career? That’s 100% on him. Let me know what other rbs have been that bad in the last 20 years and plenty have played with bad qbs. We aren’t talking about Tannehill trying to hit a wr 40 yards down the field, it’s a qb dumping it off to a back. 

 
So because Garappolo started throwing downfield, Hyde suddenly couldn’t catch? Got it.
The office wasn't dink and dunk anymore.  They had a real QB that could run a real offense.  And a real offense doesn't include Hyde as a legit receiver.  How do you explain PFF's low statistical analysis of Hyde?    

 
Well, my old man used to say if everyone in the room is telling you that you’re drunk, it might be time to put down the bottle.  Guess I’ll just have to wait and see.

 
Odd that people are tearing up Hyde while Williams gets pimped.
I'll side with you here.  I think Hyde is more of a running threat to Damien than Ware was.  He'd be a legit TD threat too.  As a receiver Damien is far better, IMO, but Hyde could have a real role in that KC offense.  Damien has yet to prove he can even handle half an NFL season as a primary RB, and he signed a low ball, 2 yr, back-up contract.  

 
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It's not as much of an endorsement of Williams as it is a criticism of Hyde.   I can definitely see them drafting a RB high in the draft, or sign a high profile FA, and then Williams owners should worry.  Hyde?  Not so much.
The chiefs have 2 rbs signed. They'll likely go into the season with either 3 or 4.

So the question for williams is who they bring in, not whether they bring someone in. 

We also have incomplete information about how the chiefs view their rb situation. We know veach said he liked williams as a "borderline starter" who was miscast as a backup/ role player when they brought him in last year. We know he was third on the depth chart behind ware.  We know the chiefs were aware of the hunt incident and had reason to believe that they might have to use ware and williams. We know that the chiefs signed williams to an extension almost immediately after a couple good starts, and that williams' performance improved from there. We know williams put up nearly identical numbers to hunt as a starter.  We know that veach said it was "his job to lose" a week or so ago. 

Those are all positive signs that he may be the starter next year. 

But we don't know if they are planning to feature him again, or looking for an upgrade, or looking for a complementary player. Are they bringing in competition or backups or role players or just letting things develop? 

So when they consider signing Hyde that's good news.  He is just good enough that he could be their biggest signing, and he's likely to be expensive enough that he's not going to sign right away to be their number 3, so for them to bring him in early suggests that they're considering him as their number one or two.  Because if they saw him as a complete replacement level third rb kind of guy, they'd wait until he was getting desperate, or find someone else.  

Seen through that lens, what does that tell us about their plans to sign, say, leveon bell? Or draft a back in the first round?  If you've already got 8 million or so committed to rbs would you still be looking to add a starter? 

So the fact that they're bringing hyde in for an early visit means that they are at least considering going into the season with hyde and williams as their top two options. And that - along with their recent quotes and actions - gives us some clarity about how they view williams. 

That doesn't mean hyde is incapable of having a career year and earning the starting job if he signs.  But it does help to clarify how they feel about williams, which is a lot better than how much of the fantasy community seems to view him right now. 

 
The chiefs have 2 rbs signed. They'll likely go into the season with either 3 or 4.

So the question for williams is who they bring in, not whether they bring someone in
I believe I agreed with you on that when I said they will probably draft a RB or bring in a FA.

 
I believe I agreed with you on that when I said they will probably draft a RB or bring in a FA.
Yup.  I wasn't disagreeing with you, I quoted you as a starting point . I think you and i see this very similarly. I just think that, if they do sign hyde, it will be unlikely they draft an rb high or sign another name free agent. 

 
Yup.  I wasn't disagreeing with you, I quoted you as a starting point . I think you and i see this very similarly. I just think that, if they do sign hyde, it will be unlikely they draft an rb high or sign another name free agent. 
I disagree with last sentence.  If they feel like they need to sign Hyde they better sign or draft another RB.

 
I disagree with last sentence.  If they feel like they need to sign Hyde they better sign or draft another RB.
Hyde is getting 1 year 2.8 million (1.6 guaranteed) 

Williams is getting 2 years 8.1 million 

7 million at rb isn't a lot for a rb1 and rb2, but it's pretty highfor two backups.  

I'm not saying it's impossible they draft someone, but it seems unlikely they'd have pounced on hyde if they were going to spend big on leveon/ coleman/ Ingram. 

 
I disagree with last sentence.  If they feel like they need to sign Hyde they better sign or draft another RB.
they needed depth they had Damien and Darrel, Ware is a FA....so Hyde makes sense.

I don't think this stops them from adding more depth in the draft at all though, perhaps its stops an early pick, but in 2020 maybe a 2/3 rounder?

Damien Williams will be a good play this year in re-draft, Hyde a cheap cuff

 
they needed depth they had Damien and Darrel, Ware is a FA....so Hyde makes sense.

I don't think this stops them from adding more depth in the draft at all though, perhaps its stops an early pick, but in 2020 maybe a 2/3 rounder?

Damien Williams will be a good play this year in re-draft, Hyde a cheap cuff
I wouldn’t cuff Williams if it’s Hyde.  I’d rather have a high upside lottery ticket at the end of my bench.

 
they needed depth they had Damien and Darrel, Ware is a FA....so Hyde makes sense.

I don't think this stops them from adding more depth in the draft at all though, perhaps its stops an early pick, but in 2020 maybe a 2/3 rounder?

Damien Williams will be a good play this year in re-draft, Hyde a cheap cuff
I suspect there will be a narrative leading up to training camp and preseason that Hyde may win the starting gig, and as such I suspect his ADP will be inflated, making him not so cheap. Williams will go anywhere from the 3rd to the 5th perhaps. Some will reach for him, others will completely stay away. Hyde will creep up because it is Kansas City and Hyde has some kind of name value. I can definitely see taking Williams myself, but will likely avoid Hyde as a cuff if he isn't later than around the 10th round. And I doubt he will be. And I am still assuming they will add depth in the draft but not likely anyone early.

 
Hyde is getting 1 year 2.8 million (1.6 guaranteed) 

Williams is getting 2 years 8.1 million 

7 million at rb isn't a lot for a rb1 and rb2, but it's pretty highfor two backups.  

I'm not saying it's impossible they draft someone, but it seems unlikely they'd have pounced on hyde if they were going to spend big on leveon/ coleman/ Ingram. 
Seems like that's incentive-laden. Both spotrac and overthecap show his base plus bonuses as 2 year, $5.1 million, with $500k dead cap if released after this year.

 
Hyde is getting 1 year 2.8 million (1.6 guaranteed) 

Williams is getting 2 years 8.1 million 

7 million at rb isn't a lot for a rb1 and rb2, but it's pretty highfor two backups.  

I'm not saying it's impossible they draft someone, but it seems unlikely they'd have pounced on hyde if they were going to spend big on leveon/ coleman/ Ingram. 
Sportrac says 5.1 for Williams.  

Damien Williams signed a 2 year, $5,100,000 contract with the Kansas City Chiefs, including a $1,600,000 signing bonus, $1,600,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $2,550,000. In 2019, Williams will earn a base salary of $1,050,000, a roster bonus of $100,000 and a workout bonus of $50,000, while carrying a cap hit of $1,733,333 and a dead cap value of $1,066,666.

 
Seems like that's incentive-laden. Both spotrac and overthecap show his base plus bonuses as 2 year, $5.1 million, with $500k dead cap if released after this year.
@beef 

This is going to be misquoted a lot so let's look at it. 

http://dailydolphin.blog.palmbeachpost.com/2018/03/29/damien-williams-signed-relatively-cheaply-so-why-isnt-he-a-dolphin/

Williams originally signed a reported 1 year, 1.5 million dollar contract with the chiefs last off season. That actually included 1.2 in salary, 300k in active roster bonuses at 18,750 per week, and some other small bonuses of 60k or 50k which increased it slightly to about 1.7 million and change.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/12/27/damien-williams-kansas-city-chiefs-contract-extension

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-chiefs-sign-rb-damien-williams-two-year-extension-014032035.html

https://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article223682195.html

All of these sources refer to it as an 8.1 million dollar extension signed in week 17 last year.

That included a 1.6 million dollar signing bonus which gets spread out over the 3 years of the deal, which is why it's quoted as a 533,000 cap hit if they cut him next year.  

It also includes some roster bonuses of 100k this year and 400k next, salary of 1.05 and 1.85, workout bonuses of 50k per year, and other incentives which may not be listed. 

One of two things happened. Either he signed an extension that increases his 2018 salary of about 1.7 by about 6.4, which equals 8.1 million and has no other incentives, or there are unlisted incentives that aren't reported on those sites.  

Regardless - the relevant number is the amount that they added to his contract in December, not the amount of new money he makes starting next September.  The reason that's the relevant number is that it's the amount of additional money they decided to give him after his first 3 games when they already had the rights to him for the rest of the year.  So the signing bonus he got for the extension, and any salary adjustments, etc, are and should be part of the "2 year extension".

I can't tell if he's going to be making 3 or 4 million in new money for playing each year, but either is more than the 2.8 Hyde just signed for. 

 
It's a solid contact for sure for Hyde and based on my calculations, if the $2.8 he can make is not incentive laden his guarantees and total pay are higher then what Damian Williams will get in 2019. Not that I'd read into that as he's above Williams on the depth chart.

 
I'm not seeing anything in Williams contract breakdown that makes the $8.1 highly likely or guaranteed by just being on the roster.  The other articles all include terms "as much as" or "maximum" with the $8.1 figure.   I'm not suggesting that he can earn more than $5.1, they're just not included in the current cap figures.  I'm assuming that the $3 mil difference is in incentives and only counts against the cap if achieved???  But there is no guarantee he earns it.  

 
I'm not seeing anything in Williams contract breakdown that makes the $8.1 highly likely or guaranteed by just being on the roster.  The other articles all include terms "as much as" or "maximum" with the $8.1 figure.   I'm not suggesting that he can earn more than $5.1, they're just not included in the current cap figures.  I'm assuming that the $3 mil difference is in incentives and only counts against the cap if achieved???  But there is no guarantee he earns it.  
I can account for all but about $790,000 on his contract. Maybe the $8.1m was not accurate and for that matter maybe Hyde's $2.8M is not or has a devil in the detail we don't know but I can account for $7.3M of his contract. Only unknown to me is if that $790K difference is incentives or was just not reported correctly,  keep in mind a lot of those initial contract reports are agent driven. As an example, and this should not be a shocker, his original contract he signed with KC was reported as $1.5M but was really $1.25M, as reported by Rapaport.

I think the confusion on Williams contract was it was not new money. It was a renegotiation and an extension.  3 years and $8.1M is what they reported he'd make over all 3 years of his deal, including 2018 but again I'm coming in at $7.3M. What they did was kick signing/bonus heavily into 2018 so they paid him $2.74M last year, which was right around $1.5M more then he was originally scheduled to make. What he has left on his contract for next two seasons is just $4,566,667. That brings me to right around $7,306,667 he'll make if he completes this contract. What I find odd is that is about $790,000 less then $8.1M which turns out is the amount of his renegotiated base pay in 2018. If someone wanted to insist that $790,000 I can't find in his contract exists and he really is due to make $8.1M instead of $7.3M if he completes this contract I would just say to that maybe that's the case but even if so, and if Hyde's contract is accurate, it's still less APY over remaining two years of his deal then Hyde just got.

Really kind of splitting hairs. Hyde may get paid a little more but so close that it's about a wash. I don't think anyone can read into their contracts that suggests they prefer one over the other but if one is so inclined they might read into this that Hyde is on equal footing.

 
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Damien Williams owners should be giddy if Hyde goes to KC, because he certainly isn't a threat. 
Things "if said six months ago people would think you're drunk". 

I actually liked Damien enough to pick him up in Miami a couple times but let's not pretend he's some proven stud workhorse.

Chiefs got a bargain IMO

 

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