RB Chase Brown, CIN (1 Viewer)

[msudaisy26]

I seen the David Wilson talk, but the rest of this is TLDR.

I just need to know which one them is having the career ending injury so I don't draft them.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I seen the David Wilson talk, but the rest of this is TLDR.

I just need to know which one them is having the career ending injury so I don't draft them.

That would be extremely helpful to know, and I hope it isn’t Brown as I have 2 shares.

 

[nittanylion]

OK, I'll go ahead and say it (apologies for the hijack, but then again, this Thread is somewhat hijacked already) :

@BIRDGANG52 - who are you, anyway? No one familiar seems conspicuously absent since Monday afternoon...

It's decent enough schtick - somewhat annoying, but not unexpected, and in a backhanded way, appreciated.

Having been around this place for a long time, I'm almost tempted to ask: IS THAT YOU, PEENS???!!!

 

[Long Ball Larry]

OK, I'll go ahead and say it (apologies for the hijack, but then again, this Thread is somewhat hijacked already) :

@BIRDGANG52 - who are you, anyway? No one familiar seems conspicuously absent since Monday afternoon...

It's decent enough schtick - somewhat annoying, but not unexpected, and in a backhanded way, appreciated.

Having been around this place for a long time, I'm almost tempted to ask: IS THAT YOU, PEENS???!!!

Smacks a bit of eminence

 

[J Giles Band]

OK, I'll go ahead and say it (apologies for the hijack, but then again, this Thread is somewhat hijacked already) :

@BIRDGANG52 - who are you, anyway? No one familiar seems conspicuously absent since Monday afternoon...

It's decent enough schtick - somewhat annoying, but not unexpected, and in a backhanded way, appreciated.

Having been around this place for a long time, I'm almost tempted to ask: IS THAT YOU, PEENS???!!!

Smacks a bit of eminence

And experience...

 

[Pip's Invitation]

OK, I'll go ahead and say it (apologies for the hijack, but then again, this Thread is somewhat hijacked already) :

@BIRDGANG52 - who are you, anyway? No one familiar seems conspicuously absent since Monday afternoon...

It's decent enough schtick - somewhat annoying, but not unexpected, and in a backhanded way, appreciated.

Having been around this place for a long time, I'm almost tempted to ask: IS THAT YOU, PEENS???!!!

Smacks a bit of eminence

The persistence of the argumentation made me think of that as well. But if that is the case, it hasn't been turned up to 11 yet.

 

[VikingFrog]

I’m just here to research and learn more about Chase Brown... Not to read about Moss or whatever Richard measurement is going on in this thread currently.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

OK, I'll go ahead and say it (apologies for the hijack, but then again, this Thread is somewhat hijacked already) :

@BIRDGANG52 - who are you, anyway? No one familiar seems conspicuously absent since Monday afternoon...

It's decent enough schtick - somewhat annoying, but not unexpected, and in a backhanded way, appreciated.

Having been around this place for a long time, I'm almost tempted to ask: IS THAT YOU, PEENS???!!!

Smacks a bit of eminence

The persistence of the argumentation made me think of that as well. But if that is the case, it hasn't been turned up to 11 yet.

There’s also obviously the question of the username, which suggests an eagles fan, but certainly that could just be some sort of ploy

 

[JohnnyU]

I’m just here to research and learn more about Chase Brown... Not to read about Moss or whatever Richard measurement is going on in this thread currently.

I’m just here so I don’t get fined.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I’m just here to research and learn more about Chase Brown... Not to read about Moss or whatever Richard measurement is going on in this thread currently.

I do believe Zach Moss is relevant to the Chase Brown conversation.

I do not believe this topic is the place to make a case for Zach Moss as a starting running back.

 

[Ray Barboni]

I’m just here to research and learn more about Chase Brown... Not to read about Moss or whatever Richard measurement is going on in this thread currently.

I’m just here so I don’t get fined.

.. how’s your stomach?

 

[Pip's Invitation]

OK, I'll go ahead and say it (apologies for the hijack, but then again, this Thread is somewhat hijacked already) :

@BIRDGANG52 - who are you, anyway? No one familiar seems conspicuously absent since Monday afternoon...

It's decent enough schtick - somewhat annoying, but not unexpected, and in a backhanded way, appreciated.

Having been around this place for a long time, I'm almost tempted to ask: IS THAT YOU, PEENS???!!!

Smacks a bit of eminence

The persistence of the argumentation made me think of that as well. But if that is the case, it hasn't been turned up to 11 yet.

There’s also obviously the question of the username, which suggests an eagles fan, but certainly that could just be some sort of ploy

He purports to be a Cardinals fan judging from his posts in another thread.

Which is weird because I didn’t think the Cardinals had any fans.

 

[barackdhouse]

Guy in my league who has Moss has 5 other RBs in front of him. Would sending a 2nd rounder his way be an overpay to get insurance on this backfield?

He was cut in one of my leagues before he signed with Cincy(which is bad managment but that's another story).

He was drafted in the rookie/FA draft at 2.4.

That was back in May, but all in all a second sounds right.

I personally feel it would sting and leave a bad taste giving a 2nd. Kind of like when vomit comes into your throat and subsides.

I will say I'd rather try and give up a second for Pollard then Moss.

I’d rather keep the 2nd over both, but that’s just me.

Me too actually

 

[Chaka]

No one is surprised by clips of Moss playing well in the outlier season in which he actually played well. lol

This is a common refrain that I don't think is entirely accurate.

Moss's "outlier" season began over the last four games of 2022 and continued through the first four games of 2023.

Over those 8 games he totaled 158 carries for 779 yards that's 4.9 yards/attempt.

If you look at all the games over his career where he had 12 or more carries (totally arbitrary number but it translates to about 200 carries in a season, which is in the neighborhood of what I expect from a time share RB).

Over those 17 games he has 287 carries for 1,298 yards a 4.5 yards/attempt clip.

He didn't get a lot of run in Buffalo for whatever reasons but since he got to Indy all he has done is produce when called upon.

But it is important to emphasis that this really doesn't to appear to be an outlier situation.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

No one is surprised by clips of Moss playing well in the outlier season in which he actually played well. lol

This is a common refrain that I don't think is entirely accurate.

Moss's "outlier" season began over the last four games of 2022 and continued through the first four games of 2023.

Over those 8 games he totaled 158 carries for 779 yards that's 4.9 yards/attempt.

If you look at all the games over his career where he had 12 or more carries (totally arbitrary number but it translates to about 200 carries in a season, which is in the neighborhood of what I expect from a time share RB).

Over those 17 games he has 287 carries for 1,298 yards a 4.5 yards/attempt clip.

He didn't get a lot of run in Buffalo for whatever reasons but since he got to Indy all he has done is produce when called upon.

But it is important to emphasis that this really doesn't to appear to be an outlier situation.

Take it to the Moss topic, pal.


But you’re correct - “8 game sample size” is a better description than “season”.

 

[Chaka]

No one is surprised by clips of Moss playing well in the outlier season in which he actually played well. lol

This is a common refrain that I don't think is entirely accurate.

Moss's "outlier" season began over the last four games of 2022 and continued through the first four games of 2023.

Over those 8 games he totaled 158 carries for 779 yards that's 4.9 yards/attempt.

If you look at all the games over his career where he had 12 or more carries (totally arbitrary number but it translates to about 200 carries in a season, which is in the neighborhood of what I expect from a time share RB).

Over those 17 games he has 287 carries for 1,298 yards a 4.5 yards/attempt clip.

He didn't get a lot of run in Buffalo for whatever reasons but since he got to Indy all he has done is produce when called upon.

But it is important to emphasis that this really doesn't to appear to be an outlier situation.

Take it to the Moss topic, pal.


But you’re correct - “8 game sample size” is a better description than “season”.

17 games.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

17 games

Oh yeah - math is hard.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

OK, I'll go ahead and say it (apologies for the hijack, but then again, this Thread is somewhat hijacked already) :

@BIRDGANG52 - who are you, anyway? No one familiar seems conspicuously absent since Monday afternoon...

It's decent enough schtick - somewhat annoying, but not unexpected, and in a backhanded way, appreciated.

Having been around this place for a long time, I'm almost tempted to ask: IS THAT YOU, PEENS???!!!

Smacks a bit of eminence

The persistence of the argumentation made me think of that as well. But if that is the case, it hasn't been turned up to 11 yet.

In the Richardson thread, he mentioned that he lost $300 on a preseason game.

“I have enough money to be able to light some of it on fire” seems like an Eminence stance.

 

[JohnnyU]

OK, I'll go ahead and say it (apologies for the hijack, but then again, this Thread is somewhat hijacked already) :

@BIRDGANG52 - who are you, anyway? No one familiar seems conspicuously absent since Monday afternoon...

It's decent enough schtick - somewhat annoying, but not unexpected, and in a backhanded way, appreciated.

Having been around this place for a long time, I'm almost tempted to ask: IS THAT YOU, PEENS???!!!

Smacks a bit of eminence

The persistence of the argumentation made me think of that as well. But if that is the case, it hasn't been turned up to 11 yet.

In the Richardson thread, he mentioned that he lost $300 on a preseason game.

“I have enough money to be able to light some of it on fire” seems like an Eminence stance.

Who in the hell bets on preseason games? Seems like a sucker bet.

 

[kyoun1e]

No one is surprised by clips of Moss playing well in the outlier season in which he actually played well. lol

He didn't get a lot of run in Buffalo for whatever reasons but since he got to Indy all he has done is produce when called upon.

Buffalo just never seemed too interested in running the ball when he was there. At least not consistently.

Starting to come around to Moss. All the buzz is on C. Brown. You could do worse than Moss as you approach triple digits in the draft.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

No one is surprised by clips of Moss playing well in the outlier season in which he actually played well. lol

He didn't get a lot of run in Buffalo for whatever reasons but since he got to Indy all he has done is produce when called upon.

Buffalo just never seemed too interested in running the ball when he was there. At least not consistently.

Starting to come around to Moss. All the buzz is on C. Brown. You could do worse than Moss as you approach triple digits in the draft.

If you scroll up, between pointing out logical fallacies I actually endorse Moss as a RBBC value. i think both CIN players are values. In redraft I'm targeting either/both. Interestingly, Chase Brown went ahead of Moss in 2/2 of the NFFC drafts I've done so far. But as I expected, in both where one was picked, the other went soon after - like the 1st to get picked reminds everyone of the other. Similar to Spears/Pollard - whoever goes 1st triggers the 2nd.

It sucks when you're on the other side of the order when one gets picked, because you can just assume the other won't make it to you.

But yeah - both CIN backs are worth rostering, and if either goes down, the other goes boom.

I personally targeted Chase Brown in 2 of my dynasty leagues because I happened to have assets in each that the Brown shareholders wanted - RB or rookie QB handcuffs. it was flukey, but it worked out well. I love having Brown as a back of the bench RB5 or RB4 in my 16 team league. The deeper the league the more I love players like Moss & Brown - they have a decent weekly floor, and can be super useful to cover BYEs.

 

[kyoun1e]

No one is surprised by clips of Moss playing well in the outlier season in which he actually played well. lol

He didn't get a lot of run in Buffalo for whatever reasons but since he got to Indy all he has done is produce when called upon.

Buffalo just never seemed too interested in running the ball when he was there. At least not consistently.

Starting to come around to Moss. All the buzz is on C. Brown. You could do worse than Moss as you approach triple digits in the draft.

If you scroll up, between pointing out logical fallacies I actually endorse Moss as a RBBC value. i think both CIN players are values. In redraft I'm targeting either/both. Interestingly, Chase Brown went ahead of Moss in 2/2 of the NFFC drafts I've done so far. But as I expected, in both where one was picked, the other went soon after - like the 1st to get picked reminds everyone of the other. Similar to Spears/Pollard - whoever goes 1st triggers the 2nd.

It sucks when you're on the other side of the order when one gets picked, because you can just assume the other won't make it to you.

But yeah - both CIN backs are worth rostering, and if either goes down, the other goes boom.

I personally targeted Chase Brown in 2 of my dynasty leagues because I happened to have assets in each that the Brown shareholders wanted - RB or rookie QB handcuffs. it was flukey, but it worked out well. I love having Brown as a back of the bench RB5 or RB4 in my 16 team league. The deeper the league the more I love players like Moss & Brown - they have a decent weekly floor, and can be super useful to cover BYEs.

I've done mocks where I got both of them and wouldn't mind that at all. Having both of those backs in a great offense in the 2nd half of the draft? What's not to like?

That said, I don't expect that to happen come real draft time.

 

[Chaka]

No one is surprised by clips of Moss playing well in the outlier season in which he actually played well. lol

He didn't get a lot of run in Buffalo for whatever reasons but since he got to Indy all he has done is produce when called upon.

Buffalo just never seemed too interested in running the ball when he was there. At least not consistently.

Starting to come around to Moss. All the buzz is on C. Brown. You could do worse than Moss as you approach triple digits in the draft.

Round 100? Man, your league is hard core.

 

[kyoun1e]

No one is surprised by clips of Moss playing well in the outlier season in which he actually played well. lol

He didn't get a lot of run in Buffalo for whatever reasons but since he got to Indy all he has done is produce when called upon.

Buffalo just never seemed too interested in running the ball when he was there. At least not consistently.

Starting to come around to Moss. All the buzz is on C. Brown. You could do worse than Moss as you approach triple digits in the draft.

Round 100? Man, your league is hard core.

Lol. Pick 100 ish.

 

[Chaka]

No one is surprised by clips of Moss playing well in the outlier season in which he actually played well. lol

He didn't get a lot of run in Buffalo for whatever reasons but since he got to Indy all he has done is produce when called upon.

Buffalo just never seemed too interested in running the ball when he was there. At least not consistently.

Starting to come around to Moss. All the buzz is on C. Brown. You could do worse than Moss as you approach triple digits in the draft.

Round 100? Man, your league is hard core.

Lol. Pick 100 ish.

Ooooohhh, that makes more sense.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

No one is surprised by clips of Moss playing well in the outlier season in which he actually played well. lol

He didn't get a lot of run in Buffalo for whatever reasons but since he got to Indy all he has done is produce when called upon.

Buffalo just never seemed too interested in running the ball when he was there. At least not consistently.

Starting to come around to Moss. All the buzz is on C. Brown. You could do worse than Moss as you approach triple digits in the draft.

Round 100? Man, your league is hard core.

Lol. Pick 100 ish.

Ooooohhh, that makes more sense.

My league rosters equipment guys & training room personnel.

Is that weird?

 

[Chaka]

No one is surprised by clips of Moss playing well in the outlier season in which he actually played well. lol

He didn't get a lot of run in Buffalo for whatever reasons but since he got to Indy all he has done is produce when called upon.

Buffalo just never seemed too interested in running the ball when he was there. At least not consistently.

Starting to come around to Moss. All the buzz is on C. Brown. You could do worse than Moss as you approach triple digits in the draft.

Round 100? Man, your league is hard core.

Lol. Pick 100 ish.

Ooooohhh, that makes more sense.

My league rosters equipment guys & training room personnel.

Is that weird?

Yes.

I mean, no strength & conditioning coaches? What are you, an amateur?

 

[Faust]

'I'm going to Cincinnati, f*** yeah!' | Bengals RB Chase Brown's story is one that defied the odds

 

[VikingFrog]

No one is surprised by clips of Moss playing well in the outlier season in which he actually played well. lol

He didn't get a lot of run in Buffalo for whatever reasons but since he got to Indy all he has done is produce when called upon.

Buffalo just never seemed too interested in running the ball when he was there. At least not consistently.

Starting to come around to Moss. All the buzz is on C. Brown. You could do worse than Moss as you approach triple digits in the draft.

If you scroll up, between pointing out logical fallacies I actually endorse Moss as a RBBC value. i think both CIN players are values. In redraft I'm targeting either/both. Interestingly, Chase Brown went ahead of Moss in 2/2 of the NFFC drafts I've done so far. But as I expected, in both where one was picked, the other went soon after - like the 1st to get picked reminds everyone of the other. Similar to Spears/Pollard - whoever goes 1st triggers the 2nd.

It sucks when you're on the other side of the order when one gets picked, because you can just assume the other won't make it to you.

But yeah - both CIN backs are worth rostering, and if either goes down, the other goes boom.

I personally targeted Chase Brown in 2 of my dynasty leagues because I happened to have assets in each that the Brown shareholders wanted - RB or rookie QB handcuffs. it was flukey, but it worked out well. I love having Brown as a back of the bench RB5 or RB4 in my 16 team league. The deeper the league the more I love players like Moss & Brown - they have a decent weekly floor, and can be super useful to cover BYEs.

I've done mocks where I got both of them and wouldn't mind that at all. Having both of those backs in a great offense in the 2nd half of the draft? What's not to like?

That said, I don't expect that to happen come real draft time.

I like to call this the little bit of chicken fried Zach Brown Band draft strategy.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

No one is surprised by clips of Moss playing well in the outlier season in which he actually played well. lol

He didn't get a lot of run in Buffalo for whatever reasons but since he got to Indy all he has done is produce when called upon.

Buffalo just never seemed too interested in running the ball when he was there. At least not consistently.

Starting to come around to Moss. All the buzz is on C. Brown. You could do worse than Moss as you approach triple digits in the draft.

If you scroll up, between pointing out logical fallacies I actually endorse Moss as a RBBC value. i think both CIN players are values. In redraft I'm targeting either/both. Interestingly, Chase Brown went ahead of Moss in 2/2 of the NFFC drafts I've done so far. But as I expected, in both where one was picked, the other went soon after - like the 1st to get picked reminds everyone of the other. Similar to Spears/Pollard - whoever goes 1st triggers the 2nd.

It sucks when you're on the other side of the order when one gets picked, because you can just assume the other won't make it to you.

But yeah - both CIN backs are worth rostering, and if either goes down, the other goes boom.

I personally targeted Chase Brown in 2 of my dynasty leagues because I happened to have assets in each that the Brown shareholders wanted - RB or rookie QB handcuffs. it was flukey, but it worked out well. I love having Brown as a back of the bench RB5 or RB4 in my 16 team league. The deeper the league the more I love players like Moss & Brown - they have a decent weekly floor, and can be super useful to cover BYEs.

I've done mocks where I got both of them and wouldn't mind that at all. Having both of those backs in a great offense in the 2nd half of the draft? What's not to like?

That said, I don't expect that to happen come real draft time.

I like to call this the little bit of chicken fried Zach Brown Band draft strategy.

Best executed at the 1 or 12 slots. Back to back blammo!

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Well this writer is none too high on Moss’ prospects:

According to DLF ADP, Moss is currently being drafted as the RB43 in dynasty drafts, with ten running back spots behind Brown. You could get him for a back-end second-round pick in a trade. At 26 years of age, is he even worth touching?

Moss spent the first couple of years of his career in Buffalo; he was ineffective for them and then was a backup in Indianapolis until his name was called, and he did excellent work for the Colts. Overall, in his 14-game season, he put up nearly 1,000 total scrimmage yards and seven touchdowns, but especially in weeks 2-5, he had a monster stretch because Jonathan Taylor was out. In those weeks, he averaged over 110 rushing yards per game and made a good impact in the receiving game.

While the fantasy stats were there, was Moss good? If you look deeper into it, you may be surprised. Per Pro Football Focus statistics, Moss was outside the top 30 among all running backs who saw 50 rushes last year in yards after contact per attempt and 10+ yard runs. He was also outside the top 24 in run grade and elusive rating. In terms of creating yards, Moss could have been better last season. The scheme that Indianapolis ran with their excellent offensive line and Shane Steichen as head coach benefited Moss and made him look like something he was not.

Cincinnati just lost their offensive coordinator and has a less talented offensive line than Indianapolis, meaning it is reasonable to question if Moss could do the same in Cincinnati. A 26-year-old running back on his third team also tends to be a bad bet in fantasy, so Moss is the perfect dead-zone running back that should generally be avoided in drafts. He could start the season with some solid volume, which could bring us value, but if he is not good with it, then he will slowly lose it to other options in this backfield.

He’s more bullish on Brown, but concedes it will likely start as a fairly even committee.

 

[Judge Smails]

I want the goal line back in this offense. That’s it

 

[JohnnyU]

I want the goal line back in this offense. That’s it

Why is that? Last year Mixon had 1000 yards / 9 TDs / 4.0 avg. / 52 receptions. Seems like a lot of meat on the bone to go around and I like Brown's possibilities in the passing game.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I want the goal line back in this offense. That’s it

I’m not sure there will be a dedicated GL back. This has a “hot hand” feel to it, with Chase the more likely receiving back.

 

[Biabreakable]

No one is surprised by clips of Moss playing well in the outlier season in which he actually played well. lol

He didn't get a lot of run in Buffalo for whatever reasons but since he got to Indy all he has done is produce when called upon.

Buffalo just never seemed too interested in running the ball when he was there. At least not consistently.

Starting to come around to Moss. All the buzz is on C. Brown. You could do worse than Moss as you approach triple digits in the draft.

Round 100? Man, your league is hard core.

Stud equipment manager FTW.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

No one is surprised by clips of Moss playing well in the outlier season in which he actually played well. lol

He didn't get a lot of run in Buffalo for whatever reasons but since he got to Indy all he has done is produce when called upon.

Buffalo just never seemed too interested in running the ball when he was there. At least not consistently.

Starting to come around to Moss. All the buzz is on C. Brown. You could do worse than Moss as you approach triple digits in the draft.

Round 100? Man, your league is hard core.

Stud equipment manager FTW.

That’s so 2022. Hero weight & conditioning coach is the strategy this year. Cmon son, keep up with the times.

 

[Bri]

Kluge just tweeted that Moss not Brown is #1 on the Bengals official depth chart

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Kluge just tweeted that Moss not Brown is #1 on the Bengals official depth chart

He has been for a month.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

Missed out on him. He went for more than Moss in my auction. He looked electric last season. I see him taking the job and running with it.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Missed out on him. He went for more than Moss in my auction. He looked electric last season. I see him taking the job and running with it.

He’s pretty consistently gone a few picks before Moss in my redrafts.

There have been 1 or 2 where he went after. It’s always within a couple of picks to the point that their ADP should be identical.

 

[ffmail4me]

I’ll take Browns upside over Moss, even if we have to wait a few weeks

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I’ll take Browns upside over Moss, even if we have to wait a few weeks

Yep. Everywhere I have him he’s my RB 4-6

My only shares are dynasty at this point. In a 16-team league I was down to RS, Warren & Chuba, so he was a welcome influx of talent.

In my 12-teamer he was a luxury I was able to nab on the cheap, and is behind ETN, Mixon, & Monty. If Chase misses week 1 I might flex him in, but hopefully he won’t crack my lineup this year outside of maybe BYE weeks.

 

[Faust]

Kluge just tweeted that Moss not Brown is #1 on the Bengals official depth chart

Dave Kluge
Zack Moss is listed as the RB1 and Chase Brown is the primary kick returner on the Bengals' official Week 1 depth chart.

Panic.

x.com

x.com

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Kluge just tweeted that Moss not Brown is #1 on the Bengals official depth chart

Dave Kluge
Zack Moss is listed as the RB1 and Chase Brown is the primary kick returner on the Bengals' official Week 1 depth chart.

Panic.

x.com

x.com

Dave says things tongue-in-cheek a lot. I don’t think anyone needs to panic about Brown. lol

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Ahem:

x.com

x.com

If you have to ask if it’s sarcasm or not, it usually is.

 

[zoonation]

People actually think Brown is going to outsnap Moss?

 

[Bri]

Kluge just tweeted that Moss not Brown is #1 on the Bengals official depth chart

He has been for a month.

Oh I didn't know. Ok

 

[menobrown]

Kluge just tweeted that Moss not Brown is #1 on the Bengals official depth chart

He has been for a month.

Oh I didn't know. Ok

Well you were not really wrong as that was the first "official" depth chart.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

People actually think Brown is going to outsnap Moss?

Not to my knowledge, no. But people think Brown is better than Moss, including me.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Kluge just tweeted that Moss not Brown is #1 on the Bengals official depth chart

He has been for a month.

Oh I didn't know. Ok

Well you were not really wrong as that was the first "official" depth chart.

Facts.