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RB Christian McCaffrey, SF (2 Viewers)

TheFanatic said:
Cam averages 114 carries a year for his career.

Take out the first 2 years and he averages 109 carries

His most rushing attempts were not in years 1 or 2, but 2 years ago. 
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Now look at the production. Do you think that's likely to be closer to his 1st 2 years or his most recent 1?

 
humpback said:
Now look at the production. Do you think that's likely to be closer to his 1st 2 years or his most recent 1?
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That's still 90 carries. Second in the league. 

The notion that he was drafted 8th so everything must change is crazy. There are 10 other guys on that offense. One of which was drafted 1st over all. More than likely, CMC will be asked to conform to the offense more than the offense will be asked to conform to his skill set. 

 
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TheFanatic said:
Yes, Dunn had better years than I remember.

Vick with McCoy was not nearly the same. He wasn't nearly as mobile as Cam at that point. He had one year with 100 carries followed by 76, 62, 36, 26 and 20. Can't say that McCoy thrived next to an uber mobile QB. His best years came as Vick stopped running. McCoy had 1600 rushing yards the year Vick rushed 36 times. 
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:lmao:

So the year Vick had more rushing attempts than Cam did last year McCoy had 78 receptions, 1650 total yards and 9 TDs. The following year when he averaged almost exactly the same rushing attempts per game as Cam last year McCoy put up 48 receptions, 1600+ total yards, and 20 TDs. I'll take it.

Let's get real- you couldn't have been more wrong in your example.

 
As for the discussion about McCoy and Dunn doing well playing with Vick, all the years in question those backs had between 280 and 320 touches. In this day and age, any back that gets that many touches is basically a lock to be a Top 10 fantasy back based on volume alone. If McCaffery gets that big a workload and stays healthy, he should be on everyone's fantasy draft list. Over the last three seasons, there's been an average of 5 guys a season getting 300 touches.

 
It's him or Davis at 1.01 for me. We'll see where Mixon goes.  

CMC doesn't need to have the offense change, he can get points by just folding himself into the offense. Can play in the slot, the Panthers already have slot WR in their offense I bet. Return kicks (I get points for that), can run inside from the shotgun, the Panthers do that already. When Cam runs around, extending plays, instead of throwing up 50/50 balls to tall slow WRs, he can dump it to a back with speed and moves.

Panthers have not had a guy like this. Personally, I think he gets all the work he can handle.

 
Anarchy99 said:
You missed the part where I said "The RB usage will go up with McCaffrey coming to town." Yes, CAR will put up better numbers by trying to address a problem area. However, IMO, it would have been better for McCaffery to be in a spot where he slotted in and could capture or replace existing production instead of going somewhere where they will have to create production where it didn't exist.

Put a different way, Zeke Elliott going to DAL and taking the numbers Murray had was a fantasy dream straight from a feel good Disney movie. We haven't seen that type of RB productivity in CAR in recent seasons. 

Maybe the Panthers do reshape their entire offense to run through McCaffery. I don't expect that to happen, but he should do all right in CAR. I happen to think there were better landing spots for him than the Panthers. And just because he was the 8th pick in the draft does not mean he will be anointed as a superstar.

Todd Gurley, CJ Spiller, Trent Richardson, Darren McFadden, Ronnie Brown, Cedric Benson, and Cadillac Williams were all Top 10 picks. In fact, they were 7 of the 10 backs that were Top 10 picks since 2005. None of those guys really panned out or turned into home runs (although the jury is still out on Gurley). The other 3 were Elliott, ADP, and Reggie Bush.

I really don't have much of an informed opinion based on what I have seen, as I have only seen highlights of McCaffery and I don't often get to watch the Panthers. My comments were based mostly on looking solely on the numbers.
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Of course this isn't like Dallas, but no one is arguing that. I agree that there were better spots, but there were also worse, and I disagree with how big of a negative impact Cam is going to be on his production.

Those guys panning out or not is irrelevant here- most of them had injuries, but the point is, if/when healthy they all got the opportunity to produce. McCaffrey may flop as well, but drafting him that high means that it's very likely that they plan on giving him plenty of opportunities.

 
pantherclub said:
Plus why are you treating Cmac as a rb?  He is going to see more time in the slot and in motion I would guess.  
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Nah. He IS a RB. People keep trying to make him a slot WR but that's not what he is. He is a between the tackles RB who is extremely versatile and can also catch the ball well and return Ps and Ks. He was drafted 8 overall to be a RB, not to convert into a slot WR. 

 
Rhythmdoctor said:
Nah. He IS a RB. People keep trying to make him a slot WR but that's not what he is. He is a between the tackles RB who is extremely versatile and can also catch the ball well and return Ps and Ks. He was drafted 8 overall to be a RB, not to convert into a slot WR. 
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He was drafted at 8 overall to be a mismatch nightmare all over the field.  He'll be between the tackles, running routes, going over the middle, end around, etc...

 
Rhythmdoctor said:
Yep, agreed. As a RB though. Other poster made it seem like he'd primarily be used as a WR. 
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It doesn't matter what they call him, all that matters is his position designation in fantasy.  Line him up as a WR on 75% of his plays and IDGAFF as long as I can start him as a RB.

 
pantherclub said:
Correct.  CM could potentially catch 60-70 balls next year.  Cam has never had a weapon as reliable as this.
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Who said anything about McCaffrey not catching balls? My issue is that everyone is acting that Carolina is an amazing landing spot. And it's good but there are some questions with it. Stewart is still there and Cam inside the 5 steals more TDs than other QBs. I like McCaffrey a lot. These are the questions in my mind though. Can we not talk about that??? Maybe it's not an issue 

 
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tangfoot said:
It doesn't matter what they call him, all that matters is his position designation in fantasy.  Line him up as a WR on 75% of his plays and IDGAFF as long as I can start him as a RB.
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Again, I agree. What I'm saying is that he WON'T be lining up as a WR 75% of the time. He's going to be similar to Marshall Faulk. Nobody confused Faulk with a WR. CMC can do it all but he's primarily a RB.. He's going to get 15+ RB carries per game and another 4+ catches and probably P/KR duties. 

 
Rhythmdoctor said:
Again, I agree. What I'm saying is that he WON'T be lining up as a WR 75% of the time. He's going to be similar to Marshall Faulk. Nobody confused Faulk with a WR. CMC can do it all but he's primarily a RB.. He's going to get 15+ RB carries per game and another 4+ catches and probably P/KR duties. 
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If he gets that kind of workload he will be a fantasy stud. However, that is a ton of touches . . . 300-320 standard touches (rushes and receptions) and another 50 or 60 kick returns? That seems like an injury waiting to happen. How many players see that much work these days?

 
Gandalf said:
Who said anything about McCaffrey not catching balls? My issue is that everyone is acting that Carolina is an amazing landing spot. And it's good but there are some questions with it. Stewart is still there and Cam inside the 5 steals more TDs than other QBs. I like McCaffrey a lot. These are the questions in my mind though. Can we not talk about that??? Maybe it's not an issue 
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I think it's a bad spot because I don't think Cam's strengths as a passer gel with McCaffrey's strengths as a receiver. 

 
Anarchy99 said:
If he gets that kind of workload he will be a fantasy stud. However, that is a ton of touches . . . 300-320 standard touches (rushes and receptions) and another 50 or 60 kick returns? That seems like an injury waiting to happen. How many players see that much work these days?
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I'm not sure how many P/KRa hell get. As someone who doesn't play in return yardage leagues, I'd prefer he not get those touches. And actually, if he's as good as I'm predicting I don't think the coaches will give him much work there either. I'm sure he'll start off doing it but whenever he becomes their primary RB, I foresee those  touches diminishing. 

 
Panthers drafted 2 6'5" WRs for a reason...Cam throws high...and never throws to his RBs...when things break down he runs. That is a legitimate concern about McCaffreys landing spot. I'm not saying he can't learn to, and I agree that the Panthers haven't had a player like McCaffrey over the last decade (if ever) so perhaps they will really change what they do. I personally have a hard time imagining him over Fournette if I had the 1.1 as I know Fournette is going to be force fed, will have no competition for goal line carries, and k owing Coughlin, if Bortles struggles he's not going to get cute or trust him, it's gonna be the Fournette show 25 times a game. 

 
That being said, I hope the Panthers get very creative and allow McCaffrey to use his entire skill set. I absolutely do believe in his talent, drive, and pedigree. He could be a very special player. 

 
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Gandalf said:
What do you mean? Can you say more about this?
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Cam seems to do best with the deep ball, downfield passing. Maybe it's just been the lack of personnel, but I can't picture of a lot short/intermediate timing type routes with Cam. McCaffrey as receiver is a guy that runs angles, option routes. Almost like a more explosive Edelman, Landry type. I am having a hard time seeing Cam being the QB thats going to quick drop and hit McCaffrey in stride on these types of real precise quick routes. 

 
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Wooters said:
Someone needs to ban TheFanatic (and everyone arguing with him) from this thread.  Do you guys realize how ridiculous you are making yourselves look?  You're talking in circles, stating the same thing over and over again.  There is no way to prove either of you right.  You aren't going to change the other persons' mind.  State your opinion and move the <BLANK> along.  Agree to disagree.  Jeez.  Enough already.
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Seriously.  Welcome to the internet, and specifically, message boards.  No one will concede.  We will have to see what happens. 

 
Ouch.....I'm sure someone can find the silver lining in this Samuel pick to pair with McCaffrey, but he is a faster version of McCaffrey's skill set out of the backfield, and not a fully formed WR.  This is just ugly.  I might like Kamara better than Mc as a fantasy player now that he is in NO. 

 
Rookie_Whisperer said:
Ouch.....I'm sure someone can find the silver lining in this Samuel pick to pair with McCaffrey, but he is a faster version of McCaffrey's skill set out of the backfield, and not a fully formed WR.  This is just ugly.  I might like Kamara better than Mc as a fantasy player now that he is in NO. 
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Ouch indeed.  I don't think I'm touching McCaffrey now in dynasty formats.  Samuel will probably be designated a WR and McCaffrey a RB, but they will share a lot of the same pages of the playbook so to speak.  Enough overlap where McCaffrey's value just took a major hit.

 
Curtis Samuel is what CMAC haters think CMAC is.  He is a gadget / space player.  CMAC is a RB that can be utilized as a mismatch.  All the samuel pick does is stretch the field and make their offense better overall.  

Gettleman compared CMAC's inside running to Curtis Martin's, who he referred to as the greatest inside runner hes ever seen.  They spent a top 10 pick on him and have said nothing to make you doubt his usage.  The first thing I heard after the Samuel pickup was that he was going to play the slot receiver role.  Hes a tedd ginn replacement.

Can't wait for the season to start.

 
Rhythmdoctor said:
Nah. He IS a RB. People keep trying to make him a slot WR but that's not what he is. He is a between the tackles RB who is extremely versatile and can also catch the ball well and return Ps and Ks. He was drafted 8 overall to be a RB, not to convert into a slot WR. 
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He's a more dedicated Reggie Bush on weaker passing team. I would expect Reggie Bush numbers.

 
I agree he is a RB and could be great on the right team.  I dont see how he really fits in Carolina's offense.  Sure, any team can put him out there but Carolina's offense is more power running scheme.  I dont know, he just seems an odd fit for Carolina.

 
Before they picked Samuel i figured they would use McCaffrey in the slot a lot and some of his value was tied to that. Also figured he would return a lot of kicks/punts but Samuel also cuts into that. Samuel caps his numbers more than Cam or Stewart imo cause it limits his versatility. Before McCaffrey was my #1 pick but he's slid to #3. Little too much risk now to have him higher cause his role imo is a little more clouded. Top 3 are still close for me though.

 
fruity pebbles said:
Before they picked Samuel i figured they would use McCaffrey in the slot a lot and some of his value was tied to that. Also figured he would return a lot of kicks/punts but Samuel also cuts into that. Samuel caps his numbers more than Cam or Stewart imo cause it limits his versatility. Before McCaffrey was my #1 pick but he's slid to #3. Little too much risk now to have him higher cause his role imo is a little more clouded. Top 3 are still close for me though.
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I have the 1.03 in one of my dynasty leagues' rookie drafts and felt it was an awesome spot;  would have grabbed whoever was left out of McCaffrey, Davis and Fournette.  Now I am kinda hoping he goes 1.01 or 1.02 because I will have a few reservations about taking him third. :(

 
nirad3 said:
I have the 1.03 in one of my dynasty leagues' rookie drafts and felt it was an awesome spot;  would have grabbed whoever was left out of McCaffrey, Davis and Fournette.  Now I am kinda hoping he goes 1.01 or 1.02 because I will have a few reservations about taking him third. :(
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I have the 1.03 in one as well.  I doubt I'll take him if available.  Only because I like three other guys better. 

 
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Rookie Mini Camps

The main takeaway from the day: Christian McCaffrey is different. He impressed with his speed and quickness while in shirts and shorts during the early session. He began the second by snagging a screen pass with his left hand like it was nothing before he sprinted down the sideline. Later, he used a double-move to zip past an unsuspecting linebacker in one-on-ones. McCaffrey was easily the most impressive player on the field.
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Panthers first-round RB Christian McCaffrey said he won't be back at the team's facility until mid-June.

He's still taking classes at Stanford and won't be available until the end of the quarter. McCaffrey was present for the Panthers' rookie minicamp last weekend so he shouldn't be too far behind his teammates even if he misses a chunk of OTAs. Ultimately this shouldn't affect how fantasy owners draft him.

 
 
Source: Paul Pabst on Twitter 
May 12 - 2:14 PM
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I miss seeing this thread on page 1. Missed out on CMC in my first of 2 dynasty drafts. Have the 1.01 in my other, so I'll grab him there. 

 
Labrynth said:
Curtis Samuel is what CMAC haters think CMAC is.  He is a gadget / space player.  CMAC is a RB that can be utilized as a mismatch.  All the samuel pick does is stretch the field and make their offense better overall.  

Gettleman compared CMAC's inside running to Curtis Martin's, who he referred to as the greatest inside runner hes ever seen.  They spent a top 10 pick on him and have said nothing to make you doubt his usage.  The first thing I heard after the Samuel pickup was that he was going to play the slot receiver role.  Hes a tedd ginn replacement.

Can't wait for the season to start.
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You seem to think no team is ever wrong and the coaches and gm always agree.

 
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voiceofunreason said:
You seem to think no team is ever wrong and the coaches and gm always agree.
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You bring up a good point, many times teams misjudge a player.  but..CAR drafted McCaffrey thinking he's going to be a major piece of their offense.  He'll get the chance to be that, but like you said there is a chance they are wrong and he ends up a gadget.

 
Do you guys think Stewart is just going to go away? Serious question..........

I'll hang up and listen.

Tex

 
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