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RB Christian McCaffrey, SF (2 Viewers)
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Boone22
Footballguy
I find this a bit funny if you actually go back and look at the rookie drafts. Other than maybe 3-4 their rookies, who else is producing like him right now?
I’ll give you Fournette, Hunt, and Cook (pre-injury). But I’d also argue that not many had Hunt as a top 5 or 6 rookie pick. Even so, other than those 3 who else would you put in from of McCaffery based on current performance? Maybe add Corey Davis? Who else?
Mixon? His yards per carry is lower than CMC and he’s getting a full workload. Mike Williams hasn’t been healthy, OJ Howard has been primarily a blocker... Kamara? He’s performing like CMC... Evan Engram? Maybe if you needed a TE more than an RB but his ppg are roughly equivalent to CMC... Perine, no way. Ross? Hasn’t seen the field... Foreman? Nope, not getting many carries and doesn’t catch any passes... Njoku? See Evan Engram.
So did anyone who drafted him in the 2-6 spot really reach that much based on current performance? About the only guys “the masses”thought for certain might out perform him were Fournette, Cook, Corey Davis, and Mixon. And in reality, only Fournette and Cook (pre-injury) were out performing him. Hunt is the only other guy you could make an argument for and I don’t think many people saw him performing the way he’s been going.
So to say people really reached for him is absurd at this point because other than Fournette and Hunt, nobody is producing more than he has been.
Gandalf
Footballguy
He has had near zero chance to get into the flow of any kind when it comes to running the football. He gets one carry a quarter. Let’s see him get 10-15 a game
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What was the point of this post? I never understand posts like these. Do you have anything of substance to add about mccaffery and his outlook or did you just come in here to point your finger and laugh at people who drafted him ??
Ok. I think we all know this. That's my point. Why does he need to come in here with the "I told you so" posts? So annoying. If mccaffery exploded kareem hunt style from the get would he be coming in here saying "I faded mccaffery in every draft and boy was I wrong"? Likely not.
What is everyone thinking about him tonight? I am debating bw mccaffery, john brown, or jamaal charles in my flex. Standard scoring.
Eagles have a great run d. Which makes me think this is a mccaffery game script as they might use short passes to him as their de facto run game rather than slam Stewart into a strong defense for 2ypc all night.
Eagles have a great run d. Which makes me think this is a mccaffery game script as they might use short passes to him as their de facto run game rather than slam Stewart into a strong defense for 2ypc all night.
That's not a very ringing endorsement lol. My how the mighty have fallen. I really hope he turns it around at some pt this season. Hopefully tonight on prime time. It's been so disappointing to own him after being so high on him all preseason. I think if he has a big game tonight I will try to sell high in redraft. Holding in dynasty for sure.
tombonneau
Footballguy
He's RB13 in .5ppr return yardage league. He's a stat accumulator which is all I care about.
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Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
I'm starting him (ppr) because I don't have much choice. I'm not thrilledrickyg said:
CabinFever
Footballguy
Even Stevie Wonder could see how dumb it is starting and feeding Stewart instead of giving those touches to McCaffrey....sigh
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tombonneau
Footballguy
I don't know why I do this to myself starting this kid. I decided last week to Perna-bench him in my standard league in favor of kamara from now on. Then I trade kamara for michael thomas and I'm stuck again for my flex spot. But I had other viable options. I talked myself into starting him based on sound logic. The only problem? The panthers coaching staff doesn't work via logic. They're idiots. They'd rather pound Stewart for -1 yards and a cloud of dust than run mccaffery on sweeps and getting him in space. They're gonna go down tonight with that ship.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Also there is the issue that CMc doesn't look good. I agree he should get more work, but he hasn't done a single thing this game.
dipandglide
Footballguy
What is he supposed to do? He's been hit almost immediately every touch. Plus, Cam has missed him wide open on multiple occasions.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
He had a catch in the RZ where he had a defender 1 on 1, he just got tackled. He is supposed to be great making people miss. It's not all his fault but he isn't doing anything special you might expect from a top 10 pick.
dipandglide
Footballguy
The last part I agree with. He hasn't flashed as much as many of us would've liked up to this point.
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
I'm the biggest CMC fluffer on here and I agree, he doesn't look special yet. There are too many examples of guys who take a few years before becoming great and as I've stated many times, CMC is a young 21. So for me, he's a strong hold and still very startable in PPR leagues. Before tonight, he was 18th ranked RB in my most conservative PPR league (tiered ppr, .75 for RBs). I still believe he will figure out the speed of the game. He's truly still a boy out there among men but he's tough as hell, taken plenty of big hits and always gets up for more. I'm still a believer.
There's a tuddy!!
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CabinFever
Footballguy
Boom
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
It would be one thing if he were trying to make people miss and it wasn't working. But it's just weird, he just runs straight (and not even at full speed) until he contacts someone or gets near the sideline and then just goes down or out of bounds.
He tested off the chart on his agility drills but I haven't seen him actually make a cut all night. It's not that they're not working, it looks like he isn't even trying to make people miss.
He had a route earlier that would have been a sure fire td if cam would have even bothered to take 1 second to scan all of his reads. It was a beautiful route. I agree he doesn't look as special as I had hoped and I don't see the moves that we were seeing in college or in preseason. But mostly they are misusing him. You put him on the pats or the saints and he's an instant superstar.
mr roboto
Footballguy
That play he had barely secured the pass before the defender had his neck in a ####### choke hold. Bad example.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
He's great in PPR right now...but he's Theo Riddick so far. That's obviously not what most people expected.
Steel Curtainrod
Footballguy
Pretty heavy involvement
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
I agree with this as well. I hate to put it all on the scheme, but I do wonder. I've watched every Panther game and the Panthers offense is so predictable. Rarely do they let CMC run anything other than flat or 5 yard out/in routes. Like I said, this story has time to develop and I'm far from concerned. His usage tells me the coaches see something in practice. He's been in at the end almost entirely without Jstew. He'll be fine but I sure wish a better offensive coach was in play. I think he'd be killing it in KC right now.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Why? The whole point is he's supposed to do something with the ball after he catches it.
I'm not sure why people keep saying he'd be crushing it in NO or NE. It's not like Kamara and White are running deep post routes. They're running the same type of plays, they're just doing more with the ball after they get it in their hands. If anything I think he'd be doing a lot less in NO or NE because they're less willing to give a guy as much work as McCaffrey is getting here.
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
Actually, if you've seen a lot of CMC, he doesn't make a lot of ankle breaking cuts. His magic is that he sees angles and blocks a split second or two before they happen which allows him to make full speed and subtle adjustments to take advantage of those blocks and angles. He also has elite vision and takes the most perfect angles toward space which is something we see when he's 'running into people'. I think we'll see those subtle movements come back slowly as he matures. I truly believe he's a boy adjusting to the speed of a man's game and I know he'll get there, it's just not happening instantly as many would prefer. He'll get better and we'll see that same elusiveness, it just may take a year or 2. He will have just turned 23 as he enters his 3rd training camp.
Steel Curtainrod
Footballguy
Cam throwing like McNabb
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
IMO, because those types of plays require great timing and those offenses are designed around those plays. CAR has never had that type of offense and their coaches and players are nowhere close to mastering the timing of it all.
The routes they run him on are flat out weird imo. They don't st him up for success once he catches the ball. I'd like to see them throwing him passes after he's passed the line of scrimmage in space where he can turn around and has a few yards to make a linebacker or a safety miss and make a play.
Right now they're running him out on these long routes towards the sideline that take a while to develop and by the time he has the ball in his hands one or more defenders is on him. Hard to do much with that. I think it's thenplaycalling more than mccaffery.
Right now they're running him out on these long routes towards the sideline that take a while to develop and by the time he has the ball in his hands one or more defenders is on him. Hard to do much with that. I think it's thenplaycalling more than mccaffery.
tombonneau
Footballguy
As average as he looked, good for 20 in .5ppr return league. Like I said before the game, he's a stat accumulator. He'll probably be RB10 or better after this week.
And that's with him not looking impressive. If he ever "Gets It" look out.
And that's with him not looking impressive. If he ever "Gets It" look out.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
True and I have him in a similar scoring league. The risk though is his usage goes down if he doesn’t start doing more with the touches.
tombonneau
Footballguy
Yup. Good news is current regime won't admit they made a mistake (if they indeed did) for about three years. So we just need to hope Rivera and GM keep it together.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I agree the plays for McCaffrey do not really set him up for success. There isn't good timing or misdirection from combined route concepts. Cam Newtons accuracy is really bad and he doesn't have good touch or ball placement with his throws.
Not sure if that is going to change. Cam just isn't very good at touch passes, timing or fooling the defense.
As far as McCaffrey, he looks fine, but he also makes business decisions at times, there was at least one play from the recent game that I thought he could have caught the ball with great effort, but he would have gotten hit pretty hard by the defender if he did. Discretion is the better part of valor I guess. Some players would sell out to catch those, McCaffrey doesn't. Can't say I blame him though, not like he was going to be able to do anything after the catch but get drilled hard if he did sell out for it.
Not sure if that is going to change. Cam just isn't very good at touch passes, timing or fooling the defense.
As far as McCaffrey, he looks fine, but he also makes business decisions at times, there was at least one play from the recent game that I thought he could have caught the ball with great effort, but he would have gotten hit pretty hard by the defender if he did. Discretion is the better part of valor I guess. Some players would sell out to catch those, McCaffrey doesn't. Can't say I blame him though, not like he was going to be able to do anything after the catch but get drilled hard if he did sell out for it.
CaptainJT
Footballguy
Several things stood out. I think that Carolina is using CMC to open the field for the other players. CMC runs many routes out of the backfield and drags across the middle of the field just in front of the linebackers - and every time without fail the linebackers step up towards McCaffrey which opens up the field right behind them where Cam has been hitting Funchess or Benjamin.
On most of CMC's targets he is either in the flat or in the middle of the field facing Cam. CMC almost never catches the ball in stride, and instead is usually stationary when the reception is made and must try to avoid an oncoming defender. Carolina needs to find ways to get CMC the ball while he is in route so he can use his pace to make big plays.
Lastly, why does Carolina feed Stewart all those carries? He does nothing with them. I would like to see Carolina give CMC a chance to get into a flow by carrying the ball 10-12 times. He is not big but he constantly falls forward and would be a threat to take every carry to the house.
(PS - Cam's accuracy is horrible. Even many of his completed passes were not put in an ideal spot for his receivers. The one time they went down field to CMC the ball was thrown out of bounds and way too late (CMC was open near the 15 but the ball sailed out the side of the endzone).
On most of CMC's targets he is either in the flat or in the middle of the field facing Cam. CMC almost never catches the ball in stride, and instead is usually stationary when the reception is made and must try to avoid an oncoming defender. Carolina needs to find ways to get CMC the ball while he is in route so he can use his pace to make big plays.
Lastly, why does Carolina feed Stewart all those carries? He does nothing with them. I would like to see Carolina give CMC a chance to get into a flow by carrying the ball 10-12 times. He is not big but he constantly falls forward and would be a threat to take every carry to the house.
(PS - Cam's accuracy is horrible. Even many of his completed passes were not put in an ideal spot for his receivers. The one time they went down field to CMC the ball was thrown out of bounds and way too late (CMC was open near the 15 but the ball sailed out the side of the endzone).
Run It Up
Footballguy
They called me crazy when i said i thought his floor was 70 rec, they said there was no way he would get 90 rec this season.
Hes on pace for over a hundred.
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Boston
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
The guy put him in a choke hold around his neck/head and dragged him down. I'm not sure how you can fault him on that.
Boston
Footballguy
My fear long-term is that whoever they replace Stewart with is much better then the current version of Stewart because deep-down that is the kind of back they want to run it thru...hopefully McCaffrey is like James White who wasn't anything special at first but really blossomed into his role...the difference is White was a 4th round pick and McCaffrey is a top 10 pick...right know he is producing nicely in PPR but as stated quite a few times I watch too many of his touches and say "is that it"...
