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RB Christian McCaffrey, SF (2 Viewers)
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
So is he a game time decision?
undercover
Footballguy
Yes
Technically yes, but CMC himself, Rapaport, and the Panthers beat all think he's playing. Only Rhule seems unsure, which could be construed as trying to keep Arizona guessing, I guess.
Ardbeg4ever
Footballguy
Almost don't want him to play. Might double up and play AJones and Dillion. I hate decisions like this.
Ardbeg4ever
Footballguy
Foreman? , I think he is more likely to get GL work.
candian fantasy guy
Footballguy
I moved K Hebert into an RB spot from Flex and I am sitting C Mac for Dortch in that Flex spot. I had no real options for a late swap.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
I'd go Foreman because I thought he looked fine in relief for Henry last year. Chuba didn't impress me last year, but there is always potential he has improved.
[Levitan] Even with Baker Mayfield playing at league-worst levels and the #Panthers offense broken, Christian McCaffrey is on pace for: 246 carries, 1147 rush yards, 81 catches, 886 receiving yards, and 8.5 total TDs.
It's almost like he's the best RB in the NFL. Not that it was ever in question when he was healthy.
I'm not sure that move makes sense for either team, unless the Bills take a bunch of the salary, but if the Bills take a bunch of the salary, I can't see them paying more than a conditional 3rd rounder, which if you are Carolina, why bother? As dire as things look in Carolina, they are 2 games out of 1st place in their division. I can't exactly see a firesale. I could see dealing somebody more along the lines of Robbie Anderson (Giants/Ravens/Rams would make sense) or someone of that ilk, but CMC would be a surprise.
From a fantasy perspective, I think that might be a downgrade for CMC. He wouldn't see the same level workload in Buffalo, and while his TD upside would go up, would it be enough to make up for it?
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
More reason to not feel great about my James Cook pick…
Well the tweet below was sent out about half an hour after the one quoted above.
I think the truth is somewhere in between. Talks have happened because Buffalo has inquired about him at some point according to a Panther beat writer, Joe Person. But as I mentioned in another thread today the cap hit to trade him right now is about $8M more then they have cap space. Not impossible to work out but an obstacle. I'm sure the Bills are interested, but would they give up enough for a RB-even one as great as CMC? Enough for Carolina to undergo cap gymnastics, take a major hit on a lot of already paid out bonus money and lose the face of their franchise and main draw? That's a lot to work out so but one thing going in Carolina's favor of making the trade is this would go a long way towards helping them land a high draft pick and finally getting Tepper his franchise QB.
@TomPelissero
The #Panthers haven't had trade talks about Christian McCaffrey with the #Bills or any other team this season, per sources. Carolina already paid most of his $8.6M salary in a bonus. Every team will be working the phones the next few weeks, but nothing in the works with CMC.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
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So who is getting McCaffrey? Gotta be someone who wants to win a championship and has some money to burn.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Bills seem like an obvious candidate. Broncos, Cardinals, Eagles……….?NFL Week 6 odds, picks, how to watch: Expert predictions, survivor picks, best bets, teasers, and more
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So who is getting McCaffrey? Gotta be someone who wants to win a championship and has some money to burn.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
The Chiefs would be a home run, give them something to open up the run and pass for Mahomes.Bills seem like an obvious candidate. Broncos, Cardinals, Eagles……….?NFL Week 6 odds, picks, how to watch: Expert predictions, survivor picks, best bets, teasers, and more
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So who is getting McCaffrey? Gotta be someone who wants to win a championship and has some money to burn.
nittanylion
Footballguy
I'll go with Cody Benjamin, sports writer for CBSSports/Sportsline, fishing for clicks, and that CMC is going nowhere, fast.
SF makes all the sense in the world. In their window, starting RB is inured/unreliable, QB is only as good as his weapons, and defense is elite. Also, the Shanahan/McCaffrey family connection. Also lets them maybe not use Deebo so much in the backfield.
KC seems unlikely to me. If they make a move for a playmaker, I kinda think its more likely to be a WR. I do kinda wonder if that is where a guy like Beckham lands.
Denver seems highly unlikely. They also don't really have much of anything in the way of draft picks to trade, same with the Rams.
Buffalo is very interesting, and there is a bit of a Carolina to Buffalo pipeline. Probably 2nd best fit after SF.
Philly seems possible, but unlikely to me. I think they'd be more likely to target defense in a deadline deal. Shaq Thompson would make a lot of sense, if Carolina is willing to move him.
Arizona is an interesting option. They are pretty invested in Conner, but man, a Murray/CMC/Hollywood/Hopkins/Rondale/Ertz offense sounds like a nightmare to defend.
A sleeper option I haven't seen named, is Miami. They have a pretty aggressive front office, and I don't think they are betting heavily on Mostert and seem to have already soured on Edmonds.
Ultimately, I kind of doubt he gets moved, unless a team offers either a young player at another position, or at least a 2nd rounder. Not sure if that gets met.
Considered this the other day and obvious leading candidate due to need and fact they inquired about him in the off-season is the Bills.
I'd put KC as a contender as well and go on to say that if KC or Buffalo should get their doors blown off this weekend maybe it makes one of them step up.
Rams have to be considered when McVay, based on my interpretation of his reply to being in the trade market for a RB, said they would assess if they need to trade for a RB after this weekend. If I"m not mistaken this week Raheem Morris referred to CMC as the Cooper Kupp of RB's. Kupp and McCaffrey also came out together in the 2017 draft and I remember guys like Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks saying that they felt CMC was the best slot WR in that draft and would be a first round draft pick if he moved to WR. And that of course brings me to major point of CMC is that interest in him should be about more then just if a team needs a RB but more if a team wants to add multi-dimensional weapon. Obviously cap space is biggest hurdle for the Rams but they always seem to find a way, that offense is in desperation mode and everything the team does is for the immediate.
Miami is interesting. We know Shanahan and the McCaffrey's are tight, is McDaniels part of that circle?
SF can't be ruled out due to that same connection and it would be easy to see how they would arrive at the conclusion that Jimmy G can't do it on his own, but he's got close twice, and CMC might be that thing that makes life easy enough on Jimmy G that he can get your from close to there and next season he could be a tremendous asset for Lance.
Obviously he may not be traded though in the the DJ Moore thread I broke down why I though it made total sense. I would absolutely consider Carolina the team he's most likely to end the season with but if I had to bet even money on Carolina vs the field I'd take the field. Meaning to say I have since Rhule got fired put his odds of getting traded at a little higher then 50%. A few factors will come into play such as compensation of course and deadlines often make deals so good chance if anything happens it's not till the deadline in a few weeks, Nov 1 I think. Should Carolina continue losing I think the decision to move him become easier, if jettisoning Ruhle creates a spark and they look like a different team then I think they are more inclined to hold. But as I said in the Moore thread one of the major reasons for moving him is not so much the comp, which is likely around a second with maybe a little plus, but the fact this would go a long way towards insuring they end up with 1.1.
Lastly I'd add I'm super heavy on CMC this year and I would very much like to see him traded but not really because I think he needs to be moved to be good. I was picking him 1.1 and he's been coming on lately so really it's got nothing to do with that but I am very worried that if he should stay in Carolina they start pulling back on his workload. Maybe not now, but later this year. It only makes sense to not run him into the ground and not have him help take you farther away from 1.1. Maybe that's less workload, maybe that's slow playing the smallest of injuries. But it worries me if he remains in Carolina, a lot really.
So that puts Bills or Eagles in The Super Bowl if either acquires him. Rams? They need O-line help
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
For this year or next? I doubt the Panthers need the cap space for this year.
Rams OL issues are somewhat overblown in my opinion. They are a pretty good run blocking unit, and a below average pass blocking unit. A lot of the Sacks though, are a combo of Stafford just not getting rid of the ball (ala Burrow) and nobody really being open, which is why Higbee has some many targets. CMC would certainly help that 2nd problem a ton, and would likely take a huge chunk of Higbee's targets and probably pass him entirely if he ended up in LA.
From a fantasy standpoint, I think Buffalo would actually be a pretty bad landing spot for CMC. Allen doesn't check down a ton, and I'm not entirely confident they'd greatly change what's working to make room for him. I mean, obviously he'd do better than Singletary, and his TD upside would be higher, but I think he'd see less work overall. I have CMC RB1 overall in Carolina, he'd probably kick down to the 3-6 range in Buffalo.
From a fantasy perspective, I think LA and KC are the best landing spots. I'm not sure anyone else is necessarily an upgrade from Carolina.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Sooooooô then will they sit him? Or barely play him?
I'm not unconcerned about it but I think as long as the game is in doubt they will give Wilks a shot to do whatever he needs to win. Not that they should but that whole don't "lose the lockeroom" business.
The Frankman
Footballguy
It seems to me for the last week the Panthers have been in full-on trade CMC mode
it went from Panthers being willing to trade players > Teams calling about CMC > Panthers want multiple picks for CMC > Panthers want multiple firsts for CMC
Then he was absolutely put on display in the early part of yesterday's game
If traded I'm guessing Panthers pick up majority of his salary rest of season in exchange for the right draft picks. He's due 19.5, 19.5, 15.5 years 2023-2025, but trading team doesn't pick up any dead money, right?
#FreeCMC
it went from Panthers being willing to trade players > Teams calling about CMC > Panthers want multiple picks for CMC > Panthers want multiple firsts for CMC
Then he was absolutely put on display in the early part of yesterday's game
If traded I'm guessing Panthers pick up majority of his salary rest of season in exchange for the right draft picks. He's due 19.5, 19.5, 15.5 years 2023-2025, but trading team doesn't pick up any dead money, right?
#FreeCMC
ghostguy123
Footballguy
So who's the Carolina RB to own it they move him?
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
Foreman - Hubbard is a turd.
His base salary this year is just a little over a million. So if he got traded this week the team acquiring him would only owe him around $670K for the rest of the season. that means no need for Carolina to pick up any salary, he's easy to fit into any teams salary cap for this season and that's part of what makes him appealing around the league.
No the acquiring team does not have to pick up any dead money. As his contract is currently structured the acquiring team would owe him zero future guarantees and he's base salaries of:
2023: $11.8 million
2024: $11.8 million
2025: $12 million
Each of those years also contains a $200K workout bonus.
Because he's a talented player and Carolina has picked up and already paid most of his bonus is both a reason he has a lot of trade interest and why Carolina does not want to part so cheaply but they'll need to come of the multiple 1's pipe dream. Which I assume they will and this is just all trying to drive up the price.
Lastly those remaining years on his contract can be played with by any team acquiring him. So if for example the Rams wanted him he'd be easy to fit this year, and then they could redo his contract and lower his cap hit for 2023 and beyond. I'm not one of those "the salary cap is not real" people because eventually the piper is due but it can be seriously put off for years.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
He's basically the Mike Trout of the NFL so long as he's in CAR.
What a sad waste of a career.
What a sad waste of a career.
nirad3
Footballguy
Isn't the team that's most likely to trade for him Buffalo? In which case they'd need to send James Cook to CAR? In which case he would probably beat out Foreman.
I will be ready to jump on Cook where available if this actually transpires.
Carolina will carry about $10.2 million in dead money for Anderson in 2022 and another $9.7 million in 2023.
CMac would cost $7.6 million.
Carolina only had $9.6 in cap space before Anderson. Not sure where they come up with $7.6 in the middle of the year to move CMac.
I think its negotiating 101 to basically start with your best case scenario and hope someone meets it. Not that fantasy football is the same as how NFL GMs work, but I think in this one case it is. Maybe someone is bold/needy enough to give up a 1st round pick and then some. More likely, I think its probably a player and a day 2 pick for CMC. Like you said that contract is very friendly for any acquiring team.
I was thinking about possible suitors and a team seemingly nobody has mentioned came to mind for me. What about the Ravens? Dobbins is having knee issues again, and the offense has nobody particularly reliable other than Andrews.
If Buffalo included a RB in return Cook would probably be the least likely. It'd probably be Zach Moss, or even Devin Singletary (2023 UFA) before James Cook.
ETA: With Robbie Anderson being traded. all eyes on going to be on CMC's status all week, but historically, most in season trades are made on Tuesdays.
Are you that guy who offers me Zeke for Kupp in my FF league?
nirad3
Footballguy
That's not what I've read. But who knows. I would assume BUF would want to keep Cook, but I would also assume CAR would want the younger back w/ more upside.
True story but when I left that long post the other day in this thread about his potential places to go I was going to throw them in as my darkhorse candidate.
I don't have an answer to that to be honest. You don't have to be a cap expert to look at most teams salaries and easily spot a few places to create some cap space. Usually by identifying the high end salaried players who have futures with the teams beyond this season. That's almost impossible to find on the Panthers, their team is mainly littered with super low 2022 base salaries and anyone with much 2022 salary is someone they don't want past this year. I guess they feel like they can find a way otherwise they'd just say that he's not available at all but I sure can't tell what it is. I guess if they could pay someone to take Darnold that would take care of most of this but that becomes counterproductive and I doubt that is their plan.
