need2know
Footballguy
I own mason. I wouldnt take that
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RB Christian McCaffrey, SF (2 Viewers)
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I own mason. I wouldnt take that
Boston
Footballguy
I don't think that would surprise anyone...the x-factor is how high they are on Guerendo...that would likely determine whether it's just a depth piece or if it's someone better than that.
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Scooby1974
Footballguy
Tough to have to rely on a rookie to block behind that not so great OL.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Some SF beat writer I follow keeps lobbing out how Miami has a RB surplus and could use a QB who knows the system.
Scooby1974
Footballguy
Sending an injured Wilson Jr or injured Mostert would be something. lol
Wilson returned last week and Mostert should soon. They both make sense IMO, not sure how zesty Miami is for Dobbs.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
Nothing? Seriously???
The earliest he can be back with IR rules is week 6 right? The month minimum timeline the random MD is talking about started last week. Those timelines aren't that different. If it isn't week 6 or 7, it will probably be after the bye. That is around his 2 month timeline.
cantstop1999
Footballguy
Anyone expecting CMC back this year at 100% is delusional, he won’t be, also good chances he’s in a committee. Also chances of re-injuring is very high.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I don't know that we can say that given most of us aren't doctors and haven't evaluated him, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
You’re kinda contradicting yourself here. It’s like you’re saying there’s no chance he comes back. But when he does come back, he’ll be in a timeshare? And then he’ll get hurt…. But we don’t need to worry about the timeshare or injury because….he's not coming back?
JohnnyU
Footballguy
You’re kinda contradicting yourself here. It’s like you’re saying there’s no chance he comes back. But when he does come back, he’ll be in a timeshare? And then he’ll get hurt…. But we don’t need to worry about the timeshare or injury because….he's not coming back?
BespokeJort
Footballguy
Pretty clearly reads as “he won’t be back *at 100%*” to me
You’re kinda contradicting yourself here. It’s like you’re saying there’s no chance he comes back. But when he does come back, he’ll be in a timeshare? And then he’ll get hurt…. But we don’t need to worry about the timeshare or injury because….he's not coming back?
Don't see how any of us can have any definitive idea of when he returns to play and what transpires afterwards but reading some posts in here makes me think of the old quote that goes something like "the trouble with the world is the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent full of doubt"
BespokeJort
Footballguy
Maybe. I kind of take for granted that (outside hard info with cited sources) we’re all just reading the tea leaves to the best of our ability and don’t feel the need to caveat with ‘but who can really *know* anything’
Anarchy99
Footballguy
All I know is, other owners in my redraft league know I am in a tough spot with my primary backs being CMC and Pacheco. Our league is old school, and owners hoard running backs (75+ RB are already rostered). The only backs on waivers are third stringers, so the options are to stream guys that might get 5 or 6 touches or high upside guys that will barely play unless there are injuries to guys higher on the depth chart. Shark owners know I am behind the 8-ball every week, so no one will consider anything close to a fair and even trade. Offers are on par with Zeke Elliot for CMC or Deshaun Watson and Zack Moss for Jayden Daniels and CMC. Other owners are happy to let me suffer until those guys come back (if they come back).
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Drop all your players and take your ball and go home
. Jk of course
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Pretty clearly reads as “he won’t be back *at 100%*” to me
You’re kinda contradicting yourself here. It’s like you’re saying there’s no chance he comes back. But when he does come back, he’ll be in a timeshare? And then he’ll get hurt…. But we don’t need to worry about the timeshare or injury because….he's not coming back?
I agree with @cantstop1999 on this. I think there is an extremely high likelihood that CMC ends up having an even more serious achilles/calf injury if/when he returns.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I found it interesting that Germany has different types of treatment with stem cell that isn’t approved here in the US yet. Kobe Bryant, Peyton Manning and others have gone there for treatment. The thing is, is that doesn’t start building cartilage for a couple of months at the earliest.
Pietaster2
Footballguy
Huge if true! The Mason owners who are hoping for a full season absence are going to be in shambles at this rate.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
The same guy that said McCaffrey was okay to start the season? but then turned around said he would sit out week 1 but be back week 2? And then after that dropped on everyone that McCaffrey was much more hurt than previously let known and would be out at least 4 more weeks if not more?
That same guy?
Well since Mason was 3rd string until shortly before CMC got injured any team that is in shambles before getting lucky in the Mason bonanza was probably not very good before picking up Mason. I personally picked up Mason and have enjoyed having him for as long as he is viable but my team led by justin jefferson, malik nabers, and aj brown will hardly be in shambles when I can no longer start mason.Huge if true! The Mason owners who are hoping for a full season absence are going to be in shambles at this rate.
Huge if true! The Mason owners who are hoping for a full season absence are going to be in shambles at this rate.
Doesn’t really seem true when you get past the ambiguous and sensational social media post and read what was actually said.
Link to Article
Doesn’t seem anywhere near the same as the catchy post.
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
Honestly, I think I see his point. IF he comes back at all, he won't be the "CMC" you thought you were getting. Timeshare with Mason (and out of the game in blowouts either way) is the best-case scenario, with extra caution if they want to keep him healthy for the playoffs (assuming they're in contention).
You’re kinda contradicting yourself here. It’s like you’re saying there’s no chance he comes back. But when he does come back, he’ll be in a timeshare? And then he’ll get hurt…. But we don’t need to worry about the timeshare or injury because….he's not coming back?
I could be wrong (I often am) but the Germany visit looked like grasping at straws. I think it's a lost season, unfortunately.
Agreed. I really doubt he suits up this year, and even if he does, a return to RB1-type numbers is not in the cards. At this point, I wouldn't trade away any player I may have to start at some point. I put him behind the likes of my QB2 Geno Smith, my RB5 Gus Edwards, my WR5 Darnell Mooney, and my TE2 Tyler Conklin.
Chaka
Footballguy
I don't think Mason brings enough in the receiving game to outproduce a CMC/Mason combo. And, so far the goal line opportunities have been a disappointing.
The Niners have 5 rush attempts from inside the 5 for -1 yards with 1 TD. All five attempts were to Jordan. Jordan's two TDs came from 5 & 10 yards out.
My hope, as a Mason manager in my two leagues, is Trent Williams is still rounding into form and those numbers will improve going forward.
This week presents as a golden opportunity for Mason and the Niners. Which means he's going to do something like 22-64-0 rushing with 1-7-0 receiving.
Sure, but when CMC comes back, is he 100%? Does he maybe only get 50% of the work? Is he pulled when games are out of hand?
Sure Mason didn't look great last week, but I'd still have him as a top 10 RB each week he plays when CMC doesn't, don't you? This week against a decent Patriots Defense, FBG has him ranked RB6 and FantasyPros has him as RB4.
At this point, if you owned both, wouldn't you rather a top 10 RB instead of a big question mark with CMC?
Chaka
Footballguy
Of course. I imagine I misinterpreted your question:
Personally, I think if McCaffrey comes back he will be the 1a but will probably see a lot more utilization as a receiver than a rusher. Plays that would likely not be called for Mason sans McCaffrey. So, I think the rushing totals will ultimately be similar but the receiving numbers from the backfield will increase significantly. Probably at the expense of Deebo & Kittle
Am I reading your question correctly?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I think he’ll be back right after the BYE. PRP seems to have helped, and they’re saying he’s going to start ramping up rehab on Monday. From what I’ve read that’s a 4-6 week recovery time. Lines up well for a week 10 return.
I’ve also learned to not underestimate CMC’s drive. He wants to be out there. If he wasn’t going to play this year, he wouldn’t have gone to Germany for a more aggressive treatment.
Chaka
Footballguy
Why not? Even if he isn't going to play this year, wouldn't he want to do everything possible to make sure he was ready to roll in 2025?
Let's say he is...what kind of shape will he be in and would you trust him as your RB1?
Anarchy99
Footballguy
A lot of CMC owners (myself included) have been forced to roll out flotsam and jetsam to stem the tide until he gets back (also have Pacheco). Would I trust him? Over the dregs I have had to throw in instead of him . . . absolutely.
Maybe, not sure haha.
Basically if you own BOTH, is it better or worse for your fantasy team if CMC comes back? (assuming you'd have a better RB2/Flex than Mason with CMC back)
So if your RBs are CMC, Mason, Barkley..... and you can only start 2 RBs. Is it better for your team if CMC comes back? Or if he doesn't and you get a locked in top 10 RB in Mason.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
PRP is an aggressive procedure. It’s typically done to accelerate the healing.
If he weren’t trying to play this year it wouldn’t be necessary.
From everything I’ve read, anyway.
4-6 weeks from the treatment would put him at week 8-9, so week 10 seems plausible. And yes I’d trust him as my RB1 if he comes back.
Does that mean I expect a typical CMC workload in week 10 if he comes back? No - it means he’d still be a better option for my lineup than the scrubs I’ve been running out in his place. I would expect a heavier workload as the season goes on.
But I’m trying to look at what’s realistic and not beyond that. If he makes it back, I expect Shanny to use him. In PPR I think he’s a top 10 option the day he comes back.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Jinx. lol
Chaka
Footballguy
It's worse, IMO. Much, much worse. Because it's not just a question of Barkley v SF RBs (Barkley could easily outperform them) but you also need to factor in the replacement value of the #2 RB behind Barkley
So, IMO Barkley + Mason (or McCaffrey)>>>>Mason + McCaffrey
I know it's not always going to be Barkley in this comparison. At some point Mason+McCaffrey>>Either Mason or McCaffrey+ another RB
Not sure where that line is.
You're really not understanding what I'm asking at all lol
Forget Barkley... I'm saying he is locked into your line up no matter what. You have ONE running back spot, and own both CMC and Mason. Is it better for your fantasy team if CMC comes back and you start him (knowing it will likely be a split with mason, or cmc won't be 100%, or cmc will be pulled in blowouts, etc. etc), or is it better if CMC stays out and you start Mason as the sole back in SF and is a top 10 RB.
Basically if you have both on your roster, is it good or bad if CMC comes back? I would think as an owner of both, that you DON'T want cmc to come back.
eighsse2
Footballguy
I would feel far better starting McCaffrey than a McCaffreyless Mason.
Interesting. I think I take the sure thing top 10 rb over a guy that is going to be in a split, could get re-injured, and could be rested for lots of 4th quarters.
CMC's ceiling is obvious sky high, but I really think it will look more like a 60/40 split even when he returns. I think they will be careful with him and want him for playoffs.
Lots of good discussions here the past couple days. I think each CMC owner’s situation is unique on how to proceed given what little we know. It’s a gamble either way you slice it tbh, none of us know how it plays out. Mason could continue his tear and be a league winner, or could go back to his backup role in a month or so.
As a 3-0 CMC (+Mason) owner, I rolled the dice this past week and packaged Mason + Sutton for JJ + Swift. I’ll have to cobble together a bunch of RB2/3’s the rest of the season, but if CMC comes back and produces 80% of what was expected coming into the season I’ll take it. I have Allen, Pollard, Steele, Dowdle, Swift, JJ, Metcalf, Jamo, Kittle and most importantly Aubrey (lol), so hopefully they can do enough to cover my weakness at RB until either CMC or Chubb return. If they’re both out for the year then I may be cooked, but it was a decision I’m ok with, made my peace with it. Yolo. The safest play is to obviously keep both of you have them, I just went for the upside gamble. Good luck to everyone in a similar situation!
As a 3-0 CMC (+Mason) owner, I rolled the dice this past week and packaged Mason + Sutton for JJ + Swift. I’ll have to cobble together a bunch of RB2/3’s the rest of the season, but if CMC comes back and produces 80% of what was expected coming into the season I’ll take it. I have Allen, Pollard, Steele, Dowdle, Swift, JJ, Metcalf, Jamo, Kittle and most importantly Aubrey (lol), so hopefully they can do enough to cover my weakness at RB until either CMC or Chubb return. If they’re both out for the year then I may be cooked, but it was a decision I’m ok with, made my peace with it. Yolo. The safest play is to obviously keep both of you have them, I just went for the upside gamble. Good luck to everyone in a similar situation!
eighsse2
Footballguy
I guess for me the biggest problem here is calling last week's RB23 a sure thing top 10 RB.
ETA: But also I don't think it's going to be a 60/40 split. Unless you mean specifically his first game back, and that game only, but even then I don't know if that would be the case. Or some kind of "yeah he's not going to be right at all this year, but uh, he's okay enough to go out there, uh, we think, so we're gonna bring him back the rest of the year?" type of thing. I was assuming a mostly healthy McCaffrey for this question.
Chaka
Footballguy
LOL bear with me, I'll get there eventually.
CMC coming back is bad. It's very, very bad.
Sorry, but that seems intuitively obvious.
I base that on the notion that, IMO, any version of McCaffrey we see in 2024 will be a "lesser" a lesser version of our logo expectations and will likely be in a split of some magnitude greater than we are accustomed to with CMC.
I would 100% absolutely and unquestionably rather have Mason with Guerendo as his clear backup than CMC with Mason in the picture.
Wouldn't you?
