JohnnyU
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Fortunately I don't have Swift in any league, but I did trade for Williams (gave Amon Ra St. Brown) before last week's game.
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RB D’Andre Swift, CHI (6 Viewers)
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I don't think the Lions have any interest in shutting him down. I mean what's the difference for the Lions between week 8 and say week 15?
The Lions are trying to get a win and establish a culture, wipe away the losing one that exists. You don't do any of those things if you got one of your best players healthy enough to play and just say no thanks. Maybe the shoulder lingers, perhaps they decide before Sunday to put him on IR for at least 3 weeks but I do feel pretty strongly that if he's healthy enough to play he'll play.
The Lions are trying to get a win and establish a culture, wipe away the losing one that exists. You don't do any of those things if you got one of your best players healthy enough to play and just say no thanks. Maybe the shoulder lingers, perhaps they decide before Sunday to put him on IR for at least 3 weeks but I do feel pretty strongly that if he's healthy enough to play he'll play.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Any thoughts on if Godwin Igwebuike will have a role in the coming weeks? Deep starting lineups, Williams drafted and held all year by another owner and I will be in desperation mode come the playoffs with Swift's injury. I thought Godwin might have been the hot hand, but wondering if Jermar Jefferson is the better one to hold if Williams can't stay healthy with starting role. Maybe it's neither. Down to my last $5 for waivers. Opinions are much appreciated.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I love Igwebuike, he’s a dynamic KR - just dynamite in space. Plus I love the guy’s story.
But I think it’ll be about even in terms of touches.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
yeah I kind of like to stash a block (any viable last minute pickup my opp might want) after I move a guy to an IR spot
on the clock here guys, come on already
BobbyLayne
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
For clarity, there’s a decent chance he’s back for Week 14
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Everyone always says that a NFL team should shut a guy down for the season just because they are out of the playoff chase and it almost never happens. Healthy players play.
Faust
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I guess when you’re the smartest guy on Twitter you can just say whatever, eh?
1) Campbell said on 12/3 he’s a week away. Swift went through walk through on Tuesday. Campbell said he’s close but unlikely to play this week on Friday.
2) He gave a time table, Swift was not a rule our early both weeks. I cannot put Swift on IR until he is officially declared out, so I know it was late Saturday afternoon both weeks. Early to me is during the week so maybe just semantics.
3) Campbell said Swift is not going to he shutdown. But Schefter Tweeted it so guess it just has to be true he. /S
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zamboni
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True - not sure where Schefter is getting his information. Certainly seems to run counter to what Campbell has said.
I can see a rationale for sitting him now that the team is not winless, but Campbell doesn't strike me as a guy who will sit guys just to avoid getting hurt. Now if team doctors re-examined Swift's shoulder and said he could risk longer-term damage by playing through it, that is one thing. But that doesn't seem to be what has been reported of late.
Dizzy
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BobbyLayne
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I watched the presser (as always) and that blurb @Faust posted is not contextual. NBD, those two-three line updates don’t do nuance, and I don’t expect my GB to investigate the validity of statements. That’s where homers come in.
He didn’t say a lot - it was the last Q, and DC didn’t lump those two players together, the reporter did - but he spoke about their desire to play and we’d know a little more tomorrow. They were close this week, hoping they continue to heal.
(because of last weeks flu outbreak & 7 Covid positives they kept the players away from the facility today, didn’t even allow them to work out on their own as they do every week.)
Earlier in the PC he was asked “what’s your motivation in a season like this, what are trying to accomplish, what drives the players?”
I loved his answer.
“Listen, we’re trying to do the same thing we always do. We’re trying to win games. We’re playing the number one team in our conference this week and I want that challenge for us. Look, nobody is going to feel sorry for you about who’s hurt or Covid or flu or whatever excuse. These are the guys we have, let’s go to work. What’s the motivation? You play for pride. You play for yourself. You play for the guy next to you.”
If it becomes a medical reality it’s in Swift’s best interest to shut him down, then that’s a medical staff decision. But from the players perspective and because of the kind of coach he is, they’re not tanking.
I watch these guys every week and despite having the worst roster in the league, an unreal number of injuries, 30 guys out with the flu or Covid, they play hard. When you have 53 guys busting their ### the last thing you want to do is say “hey, appreciate the effort, but these last four don’t mean anything.” That’s not who these guys are.
He didn’t say a lot - it was the last Q, and DC didn’t lump those two players together, the reporter did - but he spoke about their desire to play and we’d know a little more tomorrow. They were close this week, hoping they continue to heal.
(because of last weeks flu outbreak & 7 Covid positives they kept the players away from the facility today, didn’t even allow them to work out on their own as they do every week.)
Earlier in the PC he was asked “what’s your motivation in a season like this, what are trying to accomplish, what drives the players?”
I loved his answer.
“Listen, we’re trying to do the same thing we always do. We’re trying to win games. We’re playing the number one team in our conference this week and I want that challenge for us. Look, nobody is going to feel sorry for you about who’s hurt or Covid or flu or whatever excuse. These are the guys we have, let’s go to work. What’s the motivation? You play for pride. You play for yourself. You play for the guy next to you.”
If it becomes a medical reality it’s in Swift’s best interest to shut him down, then that’s a medical staff decision. But from the players perspective and because of the kind of coach he is, they’re not tanking.
I watch these guys every week and despite having the worst roster in the league, an unreal number of injuries, 30 guys out with the flu or Covid, they play hard. When you have 53 guys busting their ### the last thing you want to do is say “hey, appreciate the effort, but these last four don’t mean anything.” That’s not who these guys are.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
random internet doctor who Tweets about NFL injuries (theFantasyDoctors.com)
There are a range of outcomes for Grade 2 / Grade 3 AC sprains. Generally 2-6 weeks to heal. We’re in the optimistic side of that timetable now. 50% to be back this week, next week is more likely. But getting shut down is also on the table.
FYI
I was wrong in a couple threads this week saying Schefter Tweeted about the latter. He did not - it was a quick report on ESPN. It’s upthread but I’ll repost it here:
2 days ago
ESPN’s Adam Schefter reports D'Andre Swift (shoulder) is a candidate to be placed on injured reserve.
Swift, who was never given a timetable after going down in Detroit's Thanksgiving game, was an early rule out the last two weeks. With only three games remaining, the Lions would be shutting him down for the season. Detroit will also be without Jamaal Williams (reserve/COVID) this week and potentially beyond, leaving rookie Jermar Jefferson in line for his first career start. Godwin Igwebuike has served as the Lions' pass-down back with Swift sidelined and will also see an expanded role, while Craig Reynolds should be active as the No. 3 back.
2021-12-12 12:41:52 (ET)
There are a range of outcomes for Grade 2 / Grade 3 AC sprains. Generally 2-6 weeks to heal. We’re in the optimistic side of that timetable now. 50% to be back this week, next week is more likely. But getting shut down is also on the table.
FYI
I was wrong in a couple threads this week saying Schefter Tweeted about the latter. He did not - it was a quick report on ESPN. It’s upthread but I’ll repost it here:
2 days ago
ESPN’s Adam Schefter reports D'Andre Swift (shoulder) is a candidate to be placed on injured reserve.
Swift, who was never given a timetable after going down in Detroit's Thanksgiving game, was an early rule out the last two weeks. With only three games remaining, the Lions would be shutting him down for the season. Detroit will also be without Jamaal Williams (reserve/COVID) this week and potentially beyond, leaving rookie Jermar Jefferson in line for his first career start. Godwin Igwebuike has served as the Lions' pass-down back with Swift sidelined and will also see an expanded role, while Craig Reynolds should be active as the No. 3 back.
2021-12-12 12:41:52 (ET)
zamboni
Footballguy
That seems clear, but just wonder if they'll push Swift if he's not fully healed. They obviously want to win, but also wonder if they want to avoid further long-term damage for a guy they're building around.
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BobbyLayne
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I don’t think they will. But my laymen’s understanding is he’s not going to damage it further by playing. I’m sure, as with any injury, he has a higher risk of re-injury than if he had never sprained it.
They’re being wise about it. Right now it’s a medical decision. Once he is cleared, there are still other risk/reward Qs to answer. I have an opinion on why, from a messaging view, they will play him if they can. But it’s just that, an opinion with no factual basis.
zamboni
Footballguy
That's a fair point. I'm sure part of the mosaic is that they also want to be careful about what kind of message it would send to the fans by letting Swift sit - if he is healthy enough to play. I can similarly relate from a Jets fan perspective.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Quinnen Williams (NYJ) has 6 sacks this year. Space eater, great young player. If he doesn’t make it this year, future Pro Bowl DL.
Early 2nd Q he goes down. Shoulder. Obvious pain. Gets up, straight to the locker room. He’s gotta be done.
Except the next Saints drive, I see 95 on the 3rd down. They show him on the sideline, left side is all bulked up bc they wrapped the crap out of it.
Second half, he’s making plays left and right. 2-10 team, almost hopeless that Zach can lead a comeback. Williams is out there clogging it up. Every time he makes a tackle, he’s getting up slow. I saw him wincing 5 or 6 times. Looked to be in pain on the sidelines, too.
Lost season. Meaningless game. Dude is out there giving everything he has.
You think Saleh wants that kind of guy on the rebuild? Absolutely. I guarantee you all of his teammates do to. Not because of the talent, but the dedication, the effort, the pride. That’s leadership. That is the mind of the athlete.
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BobbyLayne
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D'Andre Swift reports yesterday: Dan Campbell was "hopeful" and Swift was upgraded to day-to-day.
D'Andre Swift reports today: No practice and "doesn’t sound overly optimistic" for Sunday.
In other words, we won't know a thing until Friday's practice report.
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Campbell said Hock & Swift aren’t practicing but “they’ll move around a bit.” Presumably individual drills on the side.
D'Andre Swift reports today: No practice and "doesn’t sound overly optimistic" for Sunday.
In other words, we won't know a thing until Friday's practice report.
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Campbell said Hock & Swift aren’t practicing but “they’ll move around a bit.” Presumably individual drills on the side.
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Gottabesweet
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Is anyone a fan of that Jesse Morse? He seems to get so angry when he’s wrong. I’m team Dr. ChaoBobbyLayne said:
-jb-
Footballguy
seems like an arrogant deusche and tends to not really understand things. most recent case. Spent a bunch of time discussing whether or not AJB will be back this week...when he's not eligible.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I don’t follow any FF medical professionals. Seems like often their credentials are very tangential, e.g., a pediatric going on at length about orthopedics like it’s their specialty. I don’t call my uncle the optometrist when I want to learn about my parents thoracic surgery. In reality they’re of limited value as they didn’t examine, they’re not treating, they are not monitoring the athlete. The same injury can have significant variance and they’re as clueless as any of us about specific return times.
The one aspect I like is when they give a concise explanation of types/grade of an injury and what the general recovery time might be. That’s why I posted the link up thread.
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flapgreen
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Gottabesweet
Footballguy
Dr. Chao the former team doctor for the Chargers is good. These other guys just want clicks and promotions.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
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D'Andre Swift (shoulder) did not participate in Thursday's practice.
Swift has not participated in practice or a game since leaving Thanksgiving's matchup against the Bears. The injury was initially reported as something that could send Swift to IR, and it sure looks to have taken up about the amount of time an IR stint would have. It's hard to see Swift suddenly shedding this many consecutive inactive days to play against the Cardinals on Sunday.
Swift has not participated in practice or a game since leaving Thanksgiving's matchup against the Bears. The injury was initially reported as something that could send Swift to IR, and it sure looks to have taken up about the amount of time an IR stint would have. It's hard to see Swift suddenly shedding this many consecutive inactive days to play against the Cardinals on Sunday.
Killing me that Swift is still on the shelf. My opponent got off to a nice start last night with Tyreek. I need all the pistons firing but I guess Swift is done.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
@Justin_Rogers
Swift hasn't practiced all week. It would be a shock if he plays. Jefferson has been practicing, but can't definitively say between him and Reynolds. I expect both to be active, but there are no sure things in the mess going on over here.
Swift hasn't practiced all week. It would be a shock if he plays. Jefferson has been practicing, but can't definitively say between him and Reynolds. I expect both to be active, but there are no sure things in the mess going on over here.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Head Coach Dan Campbell said today that the Lions have no plans to shut down D’Andre Swift at this time and mentioned that he was feeling better.
“I still think we’re taking this week-to-week, day-to-day,” Campbell said of Swift. “I know as of this morning, he’s better than he felt last week. He feels better than he was Saturday when we worked with him. So our plan is to work him back into practice this week and see how he feels.”
“I still think we’re taking this week-to-week, day-to-day,” Campbell said of Swift. “I know as of this morning, he’s better than he felt last week. He feels better than he was Saturday when we worked with him. So our plan is to work him back into practice this week and see how he feels.”
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I guess he'll be taking up a spot on my bench through out the FF playoffs
Thing is, even if he comes back, DC has indicated Craig Reynolds has earned a role going forward no matter who come back (presumably Jamaal comes off the Covid list at some point....it's been 2+ weeks I think.) So it is going to be pretty hard to trust Swift even though YTD he has been pretty efficient with his touches.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
If he practices in full this week I don’t know his you sit him. Falcons have given up the 8th most FF points to RBs.
If he’s a go Week 17, Seattle is 31st (2nd most) in that category. Ain’t nobody sitting him if he’s playing with that matchup.
IMO
If he’s a go Week 17, Seattle is 31st (2nd most) in that category. Ain’t nobody sitting him if he’s playing with that matchup.
IMO
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
D’Andre Swift & Jamaal Williams are back at practice today
Campbell said the one thing he’s looking for with Swift this week is whether is exhibiting confidence in his shoulder. Sounds like he’s fully healed.
Campbell said the one thing he’s looking for with Swift this week is whether is exhibiting confidence in his shoulder. Sounds like he’s fully healed.
