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RB Damien Harris, BUF (1 Viewer)

Anarchy99 said:
I am not suggesting Michel looked good very often last year. There were plays where as you said he looked to tackle himself. But there were plenty of times he got hit in the backfield as soon as he touches the ball. 

Burkhead did look better than Michel last year. White running the ball looked just as bad. Bolden looked a little better in his limited usage, but that might have stemmed from teams not expecting him to get the ball. We also don’t know the situations, so it’s a lot easier to get an 8 yard run on 3rd and 15.  

That being said, given how mediocre the ground game was and how much unscary Michel looked, why was Harris inactive almost every game last year?
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I'm not lobbying for Harris, either. I watched some of his college and preseason clips and was not impressed, 6.5 YPC or no 6.5 YPC.

 
rockaction said:
I'm not lobbying for Harris, either. I watched some of his college and preseason clips and was not impressed, 6.5 YPC or no 6.5 YPC.
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NE hasn’t been great running the ball for quite awhile. They were Top 10 in YPC twice in the past ten years, barely cracking the Top 10 each time. Maybe Brady kneel downs contributed to that, but a lack of a running QB didn’t help any. Overall, their RB’s haven’t really done much or looked great in awhile (other than 6 games of Lewis the year he got hurt).

 
I got him in the 8th in my big money league.  I was even sober when I picked him.  Another dude said he was hoping to get him in the 9th if that helps.   

Michele went in 10th

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
Oh lort. :doh:  

I’d just like to say, I will not be drafting any Pats RBs this year in redraft. 

That backfield is fool’s gold. Every time the FF community convinces themselves they know the answer, BB changes the question. 

Love the news for my prospects of getting a shiny nickel for Michel in dynasty at some point. Hate this news for every other conceivable reason. 

I’m out. 
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I had the same thoughts but ended up grabbing Harris at the back of Round 10 and followed up with Michel in Round 11.

I may still end up with two headaches but figured at that point it was good value to hopefully lock up the lead back in NE’s committee.

 
Anarchy99 said:
That being said, given how mediocre the ground game was and how much unscary Michel looked, why was Harris inactive almost every game last year?
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Rookie learning the offense, asignments, pass blocking, etc.? Does BB typically vault skill position rookies if they're not really ready for any reason?

 
Doug B said:
Rookie learning the offense, asignments, pass blocking, etc.? Does BB typically vault skill position rookies if they're not really ready for any reason?
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BB usually drafts rookie RBs that get a lot of work right away or they end up becoming specialists, ie Vereen and White.  The one exception was Ridley, but he took over after BJGE wanted a bigger contract and left town. Maroney and Michel both got a lot of work as rookies. 

Even though Harris has looked good after a couple of weeks, that’s still not much time to fully grasp the entirety of the offense considering he barely got a cup of coffee last year and didn’t really practice except with the reserves. 

 
Anarchy99 said:
BB usually drafts rookie RBs that get a lot of work right away or they end up becoming specialists, ie Vereen and White.  The one exception was Ridley, but he took over after BJGE wanted a bigger contract and left town. Maroney and Michel both got a lot of work as rookies. 
 
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Exactly, BB drafted Sony early to have an immediate role. He was given that role for 2 years and has generally been a disappointment and has struggled to stay healthy. It would make sense to try something new. I think Harris is pretty close to being a JAG but he's a versatile JAG and that can be decent for fantasy.

 
Well, FWIW ... I just drafted Harris with the first pick of the 12th round in a 12-team redraft. :shrug:  If he does nothing after a few weeks, into the waiver churn he goes.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
I had the same thoughts but ended up grabbing Harris at the back of Round 10 and followed up with Michel in Round 11.

I may still end up with two headaches but figured at that point it was good value to hopefully lock up the lead back in NE’s committee.
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Every player with a job is worth picking.

One of those two guys could get hurt and the other could become a RB3/flex 

I would consider doing something like this if the opportunity was there. I think you need to have picks close together, because I suspect the where one gets taken, the other will shortly follow.

around 10 and 11, you probably could have done worse. :shrug:  

 
I honestly like guys like Chase Edmonds, Boston Scott, and Tony Pollard ahead of both Harris and Michel and they're going around the same time. That's how I'm likely to break when it comes down to it in redraft.

 
pantherclub said:
Anarchy99 said:
Lamar Miller activated and back at practice. NE running back situation more muddled than most years. 
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I am worried about fournette not lamar
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Very Belichickian to add Fournette. However, Fournette has to clear waivers. Another team will likely put in a claim before it gets down to the Patriots.

 
Doug B said:
Very Belichickian to add Fournette. However, Fournette has to clear waivers. Another team will likely put in a claim before it gets down to the Patriots.
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That remains to be seen. Teams would have to want to take on his contract (roughly $4.2 million), take on whatever attitude and baggage he has, and potentially lose him to free agency after this year. Before people suggest someone should claim him just to get a compensatory pick next year, most RBs don't make enough money to earn back premium compensatory picks. This last go round of compensatory picks saw players getting $5 million a year netting 6th round compensatory picks. To get a 5th round pick, players were at the $7 million a year level.

Assuming BB had any interest in him, BB might kick the tires on Fournette if no one claimed him, but NE would offer him close to the league minimum with incentives. Fournette almost certainly could earn more money elsewhere (if he made it to the open market).

 
Doug B said:
Very Belichickian to add Fournette. However, Fournette has to clear waivers. Another team will likely put in a claim before it gets down to the Patriots.
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I'm not sure any team will claim him and be on the hook for that $4.2MM contract - but obviously it may happen.

 
Figured I would throw out what places are projecting from Harris this year: (total season points with 1 PPR scoring):

FBG Consensus: 95 fantasy points
ESPN: 111
Fantasy Sharks: 58
FantasyPros: 74
NFL: 11
FFToday: 81
CBS: 89
FBDiehards: 66
Walter: 138

FWIW, the high projection of 138 FP would have ranked Harris as the #39 RB in PPR leagues last year. It does not appear that the projections have caught up to the hype as of yet.



 

 
wgoldsph said:
I'd wait a week or two.  The buzz out of camp has been good so far and if it keeps up his price will rise.  As it is he's still just a late round moonshot who won't get you anything.
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travdogg said:
Saw him and a 3rd round pick in 2021 for Evan Engram. I certainly prefer the Engram side of that.
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Dr. Octopus said:
I haven’t inquired. I was responding to some one that said he could be cheap if people weren’t keeping up with the news. I liked him as a prospect but not quite willing to pay a second yet.
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Took a while but I was able to move him for Bryan Edwards straight up today.  Down to two copies of him, so a little more work to do.

 
Greg Bedard of the Bostonsportslournal.com gave Harris his "Player of the Camp" award...I would link or paste to it but it is a pay site...Bedard knows his stuff (sometimes he can get into too much minutia) so that is a positive sign for Harris Owners.

 
Boston said:
Greg Bedard of the Bostonsportslournal.com gave Harris his "Player of the Camp" award...I would link or paste to it but it is a pay site...Bedard knows his stuff (sometimes he can get into too much minutia) so that is a positive sign for Harris Owners.
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I have had direct personal interaction with Bedard on multiple occasions and have found him to be one of the least reliable guys out there. He’s not high on my NE sources lists.

That being said, most people have indicated Harris looked good but are unsure what Looking good in two weeks of watered down camp actually earned him other than a chance to be more in the mix than last year.

 
ESPN's Mike Reiss reports Patriots RB Damien Harris (hand) could miss the team's season opener against the Dolphins.

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport adds that Harris recently had surgery on his pinky finger, which will take "a few weeks" to heal. Official injury reports aren't due until next week but Harris is eyeing a questionable tag after missing the past two practices with said injury. His absence has coincided with the Patriots activating Lamar Miller from the PUP list — a gloomy sign for the 23-year-old's outlook. Sony Michel, James White, and Rex Burkhead would all see snaps if Harris is unable to take the field in Week 1.

SOURCE: Mike Reiss on Twitter

Sep 3, 2020, 8:29 AM ET
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Patriots placed RB Damien Harris (hand) on injured reserve.

The team signed J.J. Taylor from the practice squad in a corresponding move. It's been a rollercoaster of an offseason for Harris, who was on track to overthrow Sony Michel as the team's starter before undergoing surgery on his pinkie at the end of camp. It's still possible Harris returns in Week 4 and enters the starting lineup, but that assumption still makes him a hard stash for fantasy over the next three games. Sony Michel will lead the team in carries as a touchdown-dependent option in the interim with James White acting as New England's No. 2 'receiver'.

SOURCE: Field Yates on Twitter

Sep 7, 2020, 5:44 PM ET
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Oh my. Couldn't even flip him for a second when the getting was good, I see. The beauty of orphaned teams. You can curse the guy in front of you for drafting him. (That said, same guy pulled off a Mahomes/Godwin tandem for some rental player deal three years ago. Who's laughing at that deal now? Whoa, that looks good.)

 
Sounds like a missed opportunity for Harris. As long as Michel doesn’t get hurt or fumbles a lot the first three weeks, his 3 yards and a cloud of dust may remain good enough for Belichick.

On the other hand, White is looking better and better as the guy to have.

 
zamboni said:
Sounds like a missed opportunity for Harris. As long as Michel doesn’t get hurt or fumbles a lot the first three weeks, his 3 yards and a cloud of dust may remain good enough for Belichick.

On the other hand, White is looking better and better as the guy to have.
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From those that have seen him in camp, Michel looks a lot better and is said to have a lot more spring in his step. I’ll believe it when I see it, but those are better reports than last year when he was said to have been running in cement shoes.

 
Anarchy99 said:
From those that have seen him in camp, Michel looks a lot better and is said to have a lot more spring in his step. I’ll believe it when I see it, but those are better reports than last year when he was said to have been running in cement shoes.
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Nobody admitted that in these forums. Memory can be so fleeting and selective when it comes to these guys. Nobody on earth said that in preseason, IIRC, or I wouldn't have touched him in my main redraft league.

 
Il Lupo said:
My local only has 15 roster spots and no IR.  Harris unfortunately looks like a drop.  :(
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Shark move = drop Harris now, watch the week 1 injury changes etc.............then pick him up during week 2.

 (the other smarts will be sniffing him on week 3)

 All this could depend on roster construct though.  I'd be inclined to hold if I didn't have appropriate depth at RB (or am shaky).

 TZM

 
TZMarkie said:
Shark move = drop Harris now, watch the week 1 injury changes etc.............then pick him up during week 2.

 (the other smarts will be sniffing him on week 3)

 All this could depend on roster construct though.  I'd be inclined to hold if I didn't have appropriate depth at RB (or am shaky).

 TZM
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Agreed...looking to add James Robinson in his place.   :shark:

 
pantherclub said:
rockaction said:
pantherclub, wait!
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I am here brother, holding on, too early to cut bait yet
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Our benches are too thin for me to keep Harris on the roster, even if it is a keep-6 league. I have an IR spot I can use ... but I might do better cutting him and waiting a bit to bringing him back (transactions are free).

 
kyoun1e said:
Dropable? 

He can't come back before week 4 right?

Thinking Harris for Burkhead swap.
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I wouldn't do that...we know what Burkhead is...a solid real football player who gets hurt a lot and really isn't going to help you in fantasy...Harris has a ton of upside, looked great in camp and is out only three games and I can't really picture any fantasy team that was planning on playing him during that time period since he is still an unknown...I would sit tight on him and see what he can do for you as he could make a difference later in the year when the RB injuries start piling up.

 
Boston said:
I wouldn't do that...we know what Burkhead is...a solid real football player who gets hurt a lot and really isn't going to help you in fantasy...Harris has a ton of upside, looked great in camp and is out only three games and I can't really picture any fantasy team that was planning on playing him during that time period since he is still an unknown...I would sit tight on him and see what he can do for you as he could make a difference later in the year when the RB injuries start piling up.
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Benches aren't deep in this league. Once teams go 0-1 and 0-2 it becomes difficult to wait out a guy on IR.

In addition, if the likes of J. White/Burkhead/Michel and even Cam are all running the ball Harris memory may easily fade while the newest waiver wire wonders will probably sparkle.

 
kyoun1e said:
Benches aren't deep in this league. Once teams go 0-1 and 0-2 it becomes difficult to wait out a guy on IR.

In addition, if the likes of J. White/Burkhead/Michel and even Cam are all running the ball Harris memory may easily fade while the newest waiver wire wonders will probably sparkle.
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If benches aren't deep than I can see dropping Harris but if they aren't deep there should be far better options then Burkhead.

 
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