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RB Damien Harris, BUF (1 Viewer)

Stevenson seems to have good burst and is hard to take down. He's also a little bit more jukey from what I recall. Damien's a more polished back that I think is more efficient with his movement and also runs really hard. I like them both. 

 
TVT 0 N S T A said:
I've just never understood the Patriots 3-headed monster approach.  Also, as @rockaction stated - I don't think Stevenson can even be compared to Damien Harris.  

Damien Harris has significantly more breakaway ability than Stevenson.  

Stevenson is more of a plotter and Damien Harris is elusive and harbors a better skillset. 
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I don't agree on this one. Harris is the little engine that could that runs through contact and closes out runs for an extra yard or two through hard-nosed effort. He might turn a 2 yard run into 5 yards. I don't consider him a breakaway threat on many plays (unless the hole is gigantic and someone took out a defender at the second level). Sure, he is decent running straight ahead, but his game is not to make people miss. It run hard as the play is blocked and fall forward through contact.

Stevenson is much more elusive, gets defenders off balance, gets through a ton of missed tackles, and once he has a head of steam is hard to bring down. He is a threat to take it to the house on every play. His numbers last year were misleading, as some games he had a 6 or 7 per carry average before they started feeding him the ball every play late in the game and he lost yardage pretty much on every play when opponents knew he was getting the ball to run time off the clock. But Stevenson can take a no gain play and turn it into a 50 yard romp, zig zagging through the defense.

I have Harris as the plodder and Stevenson WAY more elusive.

 
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I have Harris as the plotter and Stevenson WAY more elusive.
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It just seemed like I remembered Harris getting more yards than Stevenson.  I was just reading your post in the Rhamondre thread and understand your thoughts, but it is possible to be a straight-line, one cut runner and be more effective in the NFL than a guy who dances in the backfield.  

Damien Harris had runs for 64, 35, 26 yards; while Stevenson's longest run was 21 yards.  So, maybe to your eye test - what you have stated is true, but from what I can tell Harris is the better back.  

Stevenson has more yards after contact and maybe the short-yardage is due to usage.  I just don't see much to indicate Stevenson >>>> Harris or that their roles will change significantly.  

 
I traded him away for 2.02 while 2.02 was OTC. My logic is a little bit like a pretzel on why so I won't try to explain it. 

I think Damien Harris is pretty talented and wouldn't be surprised if he ends up in a better situation WRT opportunity next year or even this year, depending on how the RB attrition game plays out. I have next to zero faith in James White's recovery so I think the RB situation in NE is likely going to be more of a 2 headed monster than in years past with something akin to a red shirt year for the two rookies; they won't be leaned on unless Damien is shipped. 

Hunt, Harris and Monty are the top 3 IMO. the '23 backs are coming. 

 
Harris continues to be slept on. The dude does nothing but produce and score touchdowns.

Every backfield is a committee now, it becomes a question of which lead-dog can you count on for consistent production. I like Harris because he is efficient around the goal line. I knew that when he started a game healthy last year he would get me a score and usually multiple scores. I see no reason for that to change - I don't see any reason for "regression."

Stevenson is a nice complement to keep him fresh. Hopefully Harris can avoid getting dinged up like he has the last couple seasons.

 
TVT 0 N S T A said:
It just seemed like I remembered Harris getting more yards than Stevenson.  I was just reading your post in the Rhamondre thread and understand your thoughts, but it is possible to be a straight-line, one cut runner and be more effective in the NFL than a guy who dances in the backfield.  

Damien Harris had runs for 64, 35, 26 yards; while Stevenson's longest run was 21 yards.  So, maybe to your eye test - what you have stated is true, but from what I can tell Harris is the better back.  

Stevenson has more yards after contact and maybe the short-yardage is due to usage.  I just don't see much to indicate Stevenson >>>> Harris or that their roles will change significantly.  
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Hard to justify or quantify, but the holes the OL opened up led to some big runs for Harris.

64 yard TD vs. BUF - takes a toss, hesitates, and then runs right up the seam. There is no one remotely near him the last 40+ yards.

35-yard run vs MIA - first play of the season. Mason creates a hole for Harris to run through. Untouched for 30 yards.

26-yard TD vs. NYJ - gets past the LOS and just runs people over. That's a skill of it's own. It's a fantastic run, but does not showcase any lateral movement or great speed. Just hard nosed running.

I am not sure how to say it, but IMO Stevenson didn't get quite the blocking that Harris did.

Stevenson early season highlights (through 10 games)

A different issue is how much BB trusts RS. Stevenson had a fumble early last season, was said to have come to camp out of shape, and struggled some on blitz pickup. But from Week 9 on, Harris had 521 YFS / 9 TD. Stevenson had 662 YFS and 4 TD (including the playoff game vs BUF).

If Stevenson is in shape, doesn't cough up the football, and is adequate at blitz pickup, he SHOULD see more work than Harris. But to start the season, I think Bill will use them both with Harris sitting first chair, but I do think that Stevenson will start getting more use (if healthy).

 
Apple Juice said:
Harris continues to be slept on. The dude does nothing but produce and score touchdowns.

Every backfield is a committee now, it becomes a question of which lead-dog can you count on for consistent production. I like Harris because he is efficient around the goal line. I knew that when he started a game healthy last year he would get me a score and usually multiple scores. I see no reason for that to change - I don't see any reason for "regression."

Stevenson is a nice complement to keep him fresh. Hopefully Harris can avoid getting dinged up like he has the last couple seasons.
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As I just posted above, the tide changed as the season wore on last year. For now, Harris probably has a perceived TD scoring advantage, but NE RBs over the years have seen their yearly TD totals have huge swings (and usually only one season with double digit TDs . . . especially over the past 10 or so years).

Ridley: Best season 12 TD, next highest 7
Blount: Best season 18 TD, next highest season 7
White: Best season 12 TD, next best season 6
Lewis: Best season 9 TD, next best season 4
Green-Ellis: Best season 13 TD, next best season 11
Maroney: Best season 9 TD, next best season 7
Dillon: 13 TD a year for three seasons

I doubt NE goes back to the Dillon model (primary, heavy usage back) with Harris. But anyone thinking Stevenson is a complimentary back and Harris the lead back didn't pay close enough attention. And put me down for the under on Harris averaging a TD per game this season. I might even take the under on half a TD per game this year.

 

 
The NFL's top 11 running backs

11. Damien Harris, New England Patriots

... Harris had just 211 carries, gaining 959 yards, but he had 15 rushing touchdowns. Harris had nine carries inside the opposing five-yard line, and he had six of his touchdowns from there.

...Harris was an explosive play machine with his relatively limited opportunities — he had 12 carries of 15 or more yards for a total of 317 yards.

...Harris was also one of the NFL’s best stacked-box runners in 2021 — he had 91 carries against eight or more in the box, gaining 376 yards, 209 yards after contact

 

SI's Albert Breer believes the Patriots could entertain the idea of trading contract-year RB Damien Harris.​

As Breer notes, Rhamondre Stevenson has established himself worthy of being the starter, and the Patriots have a stable of running backs behind both Stevenson and Harris. They signed Ty Montgomery, James White and J.J. Taylor remain on the roster, and New England drafted Pierre Strong and Kevin Harris. There's zero chance all these guys make the 53-man roster. Harris is likely to walk as a free agent in 2023, so if the Patriots feel comfortable enough with the younger guys, flipping Harris to an RB-needy team could make some sense. A Harris trade would absolutely skyrocket Stevenson's fantasy stock.
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SOURCE: Sports Illustrated
Aug 10, 2022, 7:56 PM ET
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New England Patriots Should Trade Damien Harris—Potential Landing Spots for Star RB
..."The Patriots are really installing a zone-blocking scheme out of nowhere under apparent new play-caller Matt Patricia," NFL Network's Gregg Rosenthal noted. "This is a huge departure from their more traditional (and successful!) gap-heavy power rushing attack."

Damien Harris led the Patriots in rushing yards in each of the last two seasons, but he's a primarily a physical downhill runner. Granted, all teams employ basic zone and man-gap principles. How much they rely on either approach determines the run game's identity. Harris isn't the type of back to excel in a wide-zone system.
...Trading Harris would decrease the quality of New England's backfield depth, but he is entering the last year of his rookie deal.
... drafted Strong in this year's fourth round. The last move is particularly interesting since Strong thrives as a zone-runner with 4.37-second 40-yard-dash speed ...
...Three potential landing spots seem to be logical fits for Harris if the Patriots seriously consider trading the back.
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Patriots coach Bill Belichick said that RBs Damien Harris and Rhamondre Stevenson could be used on "all three downs" and the team has to "plan accordingly for that."​

This is a change from the normal Patriots philosophy of employing a third-down back, but with James White retired, Brandon Bolden in Vegas, and the younger pass-catching backs not proving ready, it's not a major surprise to see New England go with their strengths. There's been a lot of hype on Rhamondre Stevenson this offseason, but it's noteworthy that the team is also exploring using Harris on all three downs. This could still be a full-blown committee in-season.
SOURCE: Mike Reiss on Twitter
Aug 23, 2022, 1:47 PM ET
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VikingFrog said:
Looks like nothing. But, something to keep your eyes on.


Injury report from today’s joint practice: -Damien Harris left, did not return


Damien Harris is mingling with Raiders players after practice. Isaiah Wynn is sitting with former Patriots O-lineman Jermaine Eluemunor. They both look fine.
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Probably just protecting him to trade him. :whistle:
 
yellowdog said:
VikingFrog said:
Looks like nothing. But, something to keep your eyes on.


Injury report from today’s joint practice: -Damien Harris left, did not return


Damien Harris is mingling with Raiders players after practice. Isaiah Wynn is sitting with former Patriots O-lineman Jermaine Eluemunor. They both look fine.
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Probably just protecting him to trade him. :whistle:
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I can’t remember if it was here or somewhere else, but I read a post from a big Pats homer talking about how likely that was based on the front office getting what they can for a guy before his contract year.

I’d have to dig it up, but maybe a Pats fan on here can elaborate.

Rhamondre owners sure wouldn’t mind that.
 
VikingFrog said:
yellowdog said:
VikingFrog said:
Looks like nothing. But, something to keep your eyes on.


Injury report from today’s joint practice: -Damien Harris left, did not return


Damien Harris is mingling with Raiders players after practice. Isaiah Wynn is sitting with former Patriots O-lineman Jermaine Eluemunor. They both look fine.
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Probably just protecting him to trade him. :whistle:
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I can’t remember if it was here or somewhere else, but I read a post from a big Pats homer talking about how likely that was based on the front office getting what they can for a guy before his contract year.

I’d have to dig it up, but maybe a Pats fan on here can elaborate.

Rhamondre owners sure wouldn’t mind that.
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That was me and is still an option.
 
Bracie Smathers said:
New England Patriots Should Trade Damien Harris—Potential Landing Spots for Star RB
..."The Patriots are really installing a zone-blocking scheme out of nowhere under apparent new play-caller Matt Patricia," NFL Network's Gregg Rosenthal noted. "This is a huge departure from their more traditional (and successful!) gap-heavy power rushing attack."

Damien Harris led the Patriots in rushing yards in each of the last two seasons, but he's a primarily a physical downhill runner. Granted, all teams employ basic zone and man-gap principles. How much they rely on either approach determines the run game's identity. Harris isn't the type of back to excel in a wide-zone system.
...Trading Harris would decrease the quality of New England's backfield depth, but he is entering the last year of his rookie deal.
... drafted Strong in this year's fourth round. The last move is particularly interesting since Strong thrives as a zone-runner with 4.37-second 40-yard-dash speed ...
...Three potential landing spots seem to be logical fits for Harris if the Patriots seriously consider trading the back.
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I guess my problem with this would be what do they get for him in the last year of his contract? A third rounder? Why not just run the wheels off for one more year and get a fourth rounder in compensation when someone else signs him?

It might be one thing if White would have come back better than ever and Strong looked like a world beater so they could use the roster space... but I think they need the production more than the difference of a 4th rounder instead of a third rounder. Weren't all the jokes this spring that BB was going to draft his guy every year whether it was a round early or not?

Seems like very limited upside in trading him for a playoff team that wants to continue to keep pressure off their young developing QB. I just don't think teams give up that much in trades for RB or else CLE would already gotten something good for Kareem Hunt and MIN would have flipped Mattison.
 
BoltBacker said:
I guess my problem with this would be what do they get for him in the last year of his contract? A third rounder? Why not just run the wheels off for one more year and get a fourth rounder in compensation when someone else signs him?
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That's the flaw - who is going to trade for Harris. He's a solid RB, but a solid RB isn't getting you anything better than a 5th Round pick.
 
BoltBacker said:
Bracie Smathers said:
New England Patriots Should Trade Damien Harris—Potential Landing Spots for Star RB
..."The Patriots are really installing a zone-blocking scheme out of nowhere under apparent new play-caller Matt Patricia," NFL Network's Gregg Rosenthal noted. "This is a huge departure from their more traditional (and successful!) gap-heavy power rushing attack."

Damien Harris led the Patriots in rushing yards in each of the last two seasons, but he's a primarily a physical downhill runner. Granted, all teams employ basic zone and man-gap principles. How much they rely on either approach determines the run game's identity. Harris isn't the type of back to excel in a wide-zone system.
...Trading Harris would decrease the quality of New England's backfield depth, but he is entering the last year of his rookie deal.
... drafted Strong in this year's fourth round. The last move is particularly interesting since Strong thrives as a zone-runner with 4.37-second 40-yard-dash speed ...
...Three potential landing spots seem to be logical fits for Harris if the Patriots seriously consider trading the back.
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I guess my problem with this would be what do they get for him in the last year of his contract? A third rounder? Why not just run the wheels off for one more year and get a fourth rounder in compensation when someone else signs him?

It might be one thing if White would have come back better than ever and Strong looked like a world beater so they could use the roster space... but I think they need the production more than the difference of a 4th rounder instead of a third rounder. Weren't all the jokes this spring that BB was going to draft his guy every year whether it was a round early or not?

Seems like very limited upside in trading him for a playoff team that wants to continue to keep pressure off their young developing QB. I just don't think teams give up that much in trades for RB or else CLE would already gotten something good for Kareem Hunt and MIN would have flipped Mattison.
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They wouldn't get a third rounder back for a guy on the last year of his contract. And how much do you think he would get as a free agent? James Connor put up slightly better numbers than Harris did and made $7M last year. That amount was right on the fence for a 5th or a 6th compensatory pick. And if NE signed a free agent that counted against the compensatory pick formula, NE would not even get a compensatory pick.

I don't think they will trade Harris as the rookies they drafted haven't shown much yet and JJ Taylor hasn't lit the world on fire. I do think Ty Montgomery will contribute as a third down / receiving back. But they don't have enough depth if they move Harris. Not worth moving Harris for a Day 3 draft pick. The only way I see a trade offer materializing is if a primary RB on a contender went down for the season in the next couple of weeks. But other teams have backs that could be on the market as well.

I know they moved Michel last year in a similar situation, but BB wasn't Sony's biggest fan and they had a lot more depth.
 
Faust said:

Patriots coach Bill Belichick said that RBs Damien Harris and Rhamondre Stevenson could be used on "all three downs" and the team has to "plan accordingly for that."​

This is a change from the normal Patriots philosophy of employing a third-down back, but with James White retired, Brandon Bolden in Vegas, and the younger pass-catching backs not proving ready, it's not a major surprise to see New England go with their strengths. There's been a lot of hype on Rhamondre Stevenson this offseason, but it's noteworthy that the team is also exploring using Harris on all three downs. This could still be a full-blown committee in-season.
SOURCE: Mike Reiss on Twitter
Aug 23, 2022, 1:47 PM ET
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This is really interesting and adds to the mystery that is the Patriots offense this year...in the past Patriot RBs have had pretty specific roles whether it was running or receiving...it was something that worked but did drive me crazy because they would pretty much telegraph what the RB was doing on many plays...fortunately when you have TB 12 you can get away with that...if Harris and Stevenson do in-fact get used a lot both running and receiving that would be a dramatic change to their past philosophy...so far this preseason the O has been subpar and it is going to be a work in
Anarchy99 said:
BoltBacker said:
Bracie Smathers said:
New England Patriots Should Trade Damien Harris—Potential Landing Spots for Star RB
..."The Patriots are really installing a zone-blocking scheme out of nowhere under apparent new play-caller Matt Patricia," NFL Network's Gregg Rosenthal noted. "This is a huge departure from their more traditional (and successful!) gap-heavy power rushing attack."

Damien Harris led the Patriots in rushing yards in each of the last two seasons, but he's a primarily a physical downhill runner. Granted, all teams employ basic zone and man-gap principles. How much they rely on either approach determines the run game's identity. Harris isn't the type of back to excel in a wide-zone system.
...Trading Harris would decrease the quality of New England's backfield depth, but he is entering the last year of his rookie deal.
... drafted Strong in this year's fourth round. The last move is particularly interesting since Strong thrives as a zone-runner with 4.37-second 40-yard-dash speed ...
...Three potential landing spots seem to be logical fits for Harris if the Patriots seriously consider trading the back.
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I guess my problem with this would be what do they get for him in the last year of his contract? A third rounder? Why not just run the wheels off for one more year and get a fourth rounder in compensation when someone else signs him?

It might be one thing if White would have come back better than ever and Strong looked like a world beater so they could use the roster space... but I think they need the production more than the difference of a 4th rounder instead of a third rounder. Weren't all the jokes this spring that BB was going to draft his guy every year whether it was a round early or not?

Seems like very limited upside in trading him for a playoff team that wants to continue to keep pressure off their young developing QB. I just don't think teams give up that much in trades for RB or else CLE would already gotten something good for Kareem Hunt and MIN would have flipped Mattison.
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They wouldn't get a third rounder back for a guy on the last year of his contract. And how much do you think he would get as a free agent? James Connor put up slightly better numbers than Harris did and made $7M last year. That amount was right on the fence for a 5th or a 6th compensatory pick. And if NE signed a free agent that counted against the compensatory pick formula, NE would not even get a compensatory pick.

I don't think they will trade Harris as the rookies they drafted haven't shown much yet and JJ Taylor hasn't lit the world on fire. I do think Ty Montgomery will contribute as a third down / receiving back. But they don't have enough depth if they move Harris. Not worth moving Harris for a Day 3 draft pick. The only way I see a trade offer materializing is if a primary RB on a contender went down for the season in the next couple of weeks. But other teams have backs that could be on the market as well.

I know they moved Michel last year in a similar situation, but BB wasn't Sony's biggest fan and they had a lot more depth.
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Sony became expendable when Stevenson looked legit...if Strong and the other Harris looked the part the picture could look different but right now it would be asinine to move Harris for a day 3 pick.
 
Boston said:
Faust said:

Patriots coach Bill Belichick said that RBs Damien Harris and Rhamondre Stevenson could be used on "all three downs" and the team has to "plan accordingly for that."​

This is a change from the normal Patriots philosophy of employing a third-down back, but with James White retired, Brandon Bolden in Vegas, and the younger pass-catching backs not proving ready, it's not a major surprise to see New England go with their strengths. There's been a lot of hype on Rhamondre Stevenson this offseason, but it's noteworthy that the team is also exploring using Harris on all three downs. This could still be a full-blown committee in-season.
SOURCE: Mike Reiss on Twitter
Aug 23, 2022, 1:47 PM ET
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This is really interesting and adds to the mystery that is the Patriots offense this year...in the past Patriot RBs have had pretty specific roles whether it was running or receiving...it was something that worked but did drive me crazy because they would pretty much telegraph what the RB was doing on many plays...fortunately when you have TB 12 you can get away with that...if Harris and Stevenson do in-fact get used a lot both running and receiving that would be a dramatic change to their past philosophy...so far this preseason the O has been subpar and it is going to be a work in
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I think they will definitely pass to the backs more. As far as DH and RS go, I would expect them to see more targets on early downs. I would guess either guy could get targeted on third and short. But on third down passing downs, I don’t see either guy on the field. I expect the true receiving back role to go to Montgomery. The third and forth down halfback dives have been predictable and usually get stuffed.
 
Leroy Hoard said:
Matt Patricia running the offense gives me a little pause.
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Patricia is the one with the headset announcing the play to the QB. I don't believe he is calling the plays. BB will be the one game planning and usually calling plays, with input and feedback from others. But I don't for a second believe Patricia is "running" the offense.
 
Anarchy99 said:
Leroy Hoard said:
Matt Patricia running the offense gives me a little pause.
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Patricia is the one with the headset announcing the play to the QB. I don't believe he is calling the plays. BB will be the one game planning and usually calling plays, with input and feedback from others. But I don't for a second believe Patricia is "running" the offense.
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I think the bigger issue is who isn't running the offense.

Personally I am pumping the brakes on the notion that the Pats will throw more to their backs this season. Or that someone will take over the James White role.

Philosophically they may want to reproduce McDaniels offense but I think that will be a lot more difficult to accomplish on game day without him confidentiality dialing in those plays.
 
Chaka said:
Anarchy99 said:
Leroy Hoard said:
Matt Patricia running the offense gives me a little pause.
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Patricia is the one with the headset announcing the play to the QB. I don't believe he is calling the plays. BB will be the one game planning and usually calling plays, with input and feedback from others. But I don't for a second believe Patricia is "running" the offense.
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I think the bigger issue is who isn't running the offense.

Personally I am pumping the brakes on the notion that the Pats will throw more to their backs this season. Or that someone will take over the James White role.

Philosophically they may want to reproduce McDaniels offense but I think that will be a lot more difficult to accomplish on game day without him confidentiality dialing in those plays.
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Well, they certainly have been throwing the ball to the backs a ton in training camp. And they have been using Montgomery as a receiving back on passing downs and in two-minute situations. Maybe that is fool's gold, who knows.

As far as calling it the "McDaniels' offense," they have been running a similar scheme before he got there, they modified it while he was there, and they changed it quite a bit when he left and before he came back. Bottom line, they have been running some of the same stuff for decades whether McDaniels was there or not . . . and some guys have been inserted and taken on the roles of guys before them. For example . . .

Smith --> Dillon --> Maroney --> BJGE --> Ridley --> Blount --> Michel --> Harris
Faulk --> Woodhead --> Vereen --> White
Brown --> Welker --> Edelman

Are they going to throw to their backs substantially more? Doubtful. But they should target the early down backs more than they have been. If people want to say Montgomery is not on par with White, I won't argue with them. If the intent is to change things up and be less predictable, throwing more to RB that normally run the ball would be a good place to start.
 
Apple Juice said:
All last preseason I read about how Harris wouldn't amount to much and he finished 8 in ppg in my league. I'll stick with the plodder.
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Certainly, we do often overreact in preseason. But I wonder two things.

1) Where did Harris rank in the last eight games of the season
2) Where would he have ranked in the last eight games if he only had 50% of the tds he accumulated in those last 7 (?) games.

It looks like he missed a game in December? Anyway, I see an average for the last 7 games of the season as

  • 12 carries for 59 yards including
    • two games over 100 yds
    • 1 game of 56 yds
    • 4 games between 30 and 40 yds
  • 1.3 Tds
  • 1 reception for 10 yds
I am guessing this will be the reality (including TD regression) for Harris this year and I am not buying.
 
Harris left practice early yesterday. Evan Lazar reports the undisclosed injury will most likely keep him out of tonight's final preseason game against the Raiders.
 
My hot take is that Damien Harris is a Top 10 RB talent but suffers from the offense that he is in. 909 Yards with 15 Touchdowns sounds good to me at RB3/FLEX. I'll always side with the Alabama kid. Any RB is going to get what's blocked. Stevenson is nice, but you're not going to convince me that suddenly he has the talent to play in Alabama.


Anyway with a ADP of 5.05 in Redraft, I am out at that price.
 
Stuart Ullman said:
My hot take is that Damien Harris is a Top 10 RB talent but suffers from the offense that he is in. 909 Yards with 15 Touchdowns sounds good to me at RB3/FLEX. I'll always side with the Alabama kid. Any RB is going to get what's blocked. Stevenson is nice, but you're not going to convince me that suddenly he has the talent to play in Alabama.


Anyway with a ADP of 5.05 in Redraft, I am out at that price.
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ADP of 8th/9th round in the high stakes leagues I play in
 
Dez said:
Stuart Ullman said:
My hot take is that Damien Harris is a Top 10 RB talent but suffers from the offense that he is in. 909 Yards with 15 Touchdowns sounds good to me at RB3/FLEX. I'll always side with the Alabama kid. Any RB is going to get what's blocked. Stevenson is nice, but you're not going to convince me that suddenly he has the talent to play in Alabama.


Anyway with a ADP of 5.05 in Redraft, I am out at that price.
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ADP of 8th/9th round in the high stakes leagues I play in
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In at 8/9.
 

Damien Harris rushed nine times for 48 yards in the Patriots' Week 1 loss to the Dolphins, adding two catches for 10 yards on three targets.​


Harris narrowly out-carried backfield mate Rhamondre Stevenson 9-8, and both caught two passes. Harris averaged 5.3 YPC to Stevenson's 3.1 mark, but the Patriots only scored seven points on the day thanks to a Ty Montgomery short touchdown catch. With three backs handling touches in a bad offense, Harris and Stevenson are going to be TD-dependent RB2/3 plays headed into a Week 2 date at the Steelers.
- NBCSportsEDGE
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Damien Harris rushed 15 times for 71 yards and one touchdown, adding two receptions for 16 yards on two targets in the Patriots' Week 1 win over the Steelers.​

Harris grabbed his knee after his final run of the day and limped off to the sideline. His status will need to be closely monitored this week. Outside of the injury scare, Harris had a good day, controlling the goal line role which included a goal line reception that he took down to the two-yard line. Harris' receiving game usage is nice to see, especially as the Patriots prepare to take on the Ravens in Week 2, who the Dolphins just passed all over as part of a 42-point outing.
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(RotoWire) Harris ran for 71 yards and one touchdown on 15 carries against Pittsburgh on Sunday, adding two catches for 16 yards on two targets.
Analysis: It was a nice game from Harris, whose 15 carries and two targets outpaced Rhamondre Stevenson's nine carries and two targets. So long as Harris' lead-runner role holds up, he should be useful in most fantasy formats, perhaps including against Baltimore in Week 3. The fears of him losing his starting role to Stevenson have not proven sound to this point.
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grateful zed said:
(RotoWire) Harris ran for 71 yards and one touchdown on 15 carries against Pittsburgh on Sunday, adding two catches for 16 yards on two targets.
Analysis: It was a nice game from Harris, whose 15 carries and two targets outpaced Rhamondre Stevenson's nine carries and two targets. So long as Harris' lead-runner role holds up, he should be useful in most fantasy formats, perhaps including against Baltimore in Week 3. The fears of him losing his starting role to Stevenson have not proven sound to this point.
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I was listening in the car, so didn’t see it, but didn’t he get hurt on his last play of the game where he got the crucial first down?
 

Damien Harris rushed 11 times for 41 yards and one touchdown in the Patriots' Week 3 loss to the Ravens, adding two receptions for five additional yards.​


Harris had one less carry than Rhamondre Stevenson on the afternoon but salvaged an otherwise quiet day with a two-yard score early in the third quarter. Harris and Stevenson have seen a fairly even touch split on the season, but it was Stevenson who was the better fantasy asset in this one. As was the case last season, Harris looks like a touchdown-dependent option in Week 4 against the Packers.
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(FantasyPros) Damien Harris rushed 18 times for 86 yards and one touchdown against the Packers in Week 4. Analysis: The Patriots relied heavily on the running game with Mac Jones (ankle) inactive and Brian Hoyer (concussion) exiting early. Harris is still the Patriots' top running back, though Rhamondre Stevenson has also carved out a sizable role. Harris projects as a mid-range RB2 against a woeful Lions defense in Week 5.
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At this point, Harris and Stevenson are playing about the same and getting a similar workload . . .

Harris 60 touches, 275 YFS, 3 TD (in 100 snaps)
Stevenson 54 touches, 268 YFS, 1 TD (in 129 snaps)

IMO, there is no "top RB" in NE right now.
 
Never leaving my RB2/flex ROS. Made a mistake assuming Pats would get killed or have no success with drives. Looks like they are just a fine-tuned running machine no matter the game.
 
Since mid-season last year, here's the usage breakdown when DH and RS have played together (11 games) . . .

Harris: 138 touches, 693 YFS, 8 TD (247 snaps)
Stevenson: 148 touches, 776 YFS, 3 TD (292 snaps)

It doesn't appear either player is sending the other guy to the bench. Harris has benefited from more goal line carries, but I am not sure NE intentionally pulls RS for Harris at the goal line.
 
I'm sure I'll get assaulted with percentages here, but maybe Harris is just good at scoring touchdowns? He gets at least one in practically every game. Love guys like Harris who get no love and just produce.
 

NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reports Damien Harris (hamstring) will "likely miss multiple games."​

Harris left New England's Week 5 game against the Lions with the hamstring injury and did not return. Rhamondre Stevenson, at long last, got a full workload as the team's only healthy running back and piled up 161 yards on 25 rushes. He also caught two passes for 14 yards while running a route on 73 percent of Bailey Zappe's drop backs. Stevenson becomes a plugged-in low-end RB1 option in 12-team leagues for as long as Harris is sidelined. Stevenson has run well through five games; only seven RBs have a better elusive rating, according to Pro Football Focus. Of course, pass catching specialist Ty Montgomery could strip Stevenson of some passing down work when he returns from a rib injury he suffered in Week 1. Stevenson should be the top waiver priority in any league where he's still somehow available.
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SOURCE: Tom Pelissero on Twitter
Oct 11, 2022, 11:14 AM ET
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