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RB Damien Harris, BUF (2 Viewers)

Harris made a brief appearance at practice and did not do very much today, per beat writer reports. And he bugged out early. I don’t believe he participated in team activities or ran any plays. I don’t see any way he suits up against Cleveland. Harris doing anything at practice is a good sign, but it still could be a multi-game injury. How productive Stevenson is will likely be a factor in how quickly they bring Harris back.
 
Anarchy99 said:
Harris made a brief appearance at practice and did not do very much today, per beat writer reports. And he bugged out early. I don’t believe he participated in team activities or ran any plays. I don’t see any way he suits up against Cleveland. Harris doing anything at practice is a good sign, but it still could be a multi-game injury. How productive Stevenson is will likely be a factor in how quickly they bring Harris back.
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Kinda similar to what Mac Jones has been doing?
 
Kevin Harris was elevated from the practice squad, which likely means Damien Harris will be deactivated this week against CLE. DH was seen being a little more active at practice than yesterday. But I don’t think he was involved in 11 on 11 plays.
 
Harris was back at practice today and participating in RB drills in the portion of practice open to the media at the start of practice. While he practiced some last week, he only worked on strength and conditioning on his own and did not really participate in team activities.

For those that missed it, Harris worked out on the field prior to the game on Sunday against CLE. Observers noted that he didn't look that great and was tentative and a little reluctant to go full speed and put all his weight on his injured leg.

Harris could make a return against the Bears, but that is up in the air right now. Patriots beat writer extraordinaire, Mike Reiss, mentioned yesterday he wasn't sure if Harris would return this week and sounded like the Jets game might be the target return date. NE plays Monday night, so Harris still has some time to heal up.
 
Figures that Coach Belichick is going to ruin Stevenson fun for investors, we got a 1 week window to see the potential possibilities of an all Rhamondre back field, liked the returns on that.
 
Ministry of Pain said:
Figures that Coach Belichick is going to ruin Stevenson fun for investors, we got a 1 week window to see the potential possibilities of an all Rhamondre back field, liked the returns on that.
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BB hasn't really shown a propensity to go all in on one RB. He did one season with Dillon 15+ years ago and another time with Blount. In Blount's case, their other backs were banged up, so they gave him a huge workload more out of necessity. I still think RS gets a big chunk of the workload this week. BB will probably do his usual and list Harris as questionable and make him a GTD. He might even have him active . . . and could barely use him. I also think RS will see the majority share the following week against the Jets (just not the crazy number of touches and snaps he's seen the past couple of weeks). At that point, NE will likely reassess how things are going and then recalibrate. We may see Stevenson start to get more touches than he was getting (pre-Harris injury), with Harris retaining more of the goal line work. That would probably even out their fantasy value. But that is likely a few games away before they figure out what they are going to do with the backfield. I would guess Harris walks after the season and Stevenson does become the huge majority shareholder in the NE backfield, but that's an eternity from now. They certainly could draft, sign, or trade for another back by then, which obviously would take away from the value of RS.
 
His first game back and they got blown out; I wouldn’t read too much into it. Ramondre is clearly the starter but Harris should get touché too
 
Harris did not participate in practice today with an illness. Given that he is returning from a hamstring injury and has seen his role reduced with the emergence of Rhamondre Stevenson, missing practice will not help his cause any.
 
Anarchy99 said:
Harris did not participate in practice today with an illness. Given that he is returning from a hamstring injury and has seen his role reduced with the emergence of Rhamondre Stevenson, missing practice will not help his cause any.
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It’s Wednesday and not something to be concerned about. RS is clearly the better player but Harris will still get touches
 
Missed practice again today with an illness. Worth monitoring. Ask Malcolm Butler what happens when you miss practice when you're sick.
 

ESPN's Adam Schefter reports Damien Harris (illness) is "unlikely to play" Week 9 against the Colts.​

Harris "only" has an illness, but he managed just one limited practice all week. His stamina and conditioning must not be up to coach Bill Belichick's standards. Harris' absence means another top-eight green light for Rhamondre Stevenson against a strong Colts run defense, but one that should face torrents of plays as the Colts likely struggle to keep the ball with Sam Ehlinger under center. Rookie Pierre Strong, who is listed with a hamstring injury, seems like the next man up behind Stevenson. New England is on bye in Week 10, so there is almost zero chance Harris misses more than one game.
SOURCE: Adam Schefter on Twitter
Nov 6, 2022, 12:30 AM ET
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Anarchy99 said:
Missed practice again today with an illness. Worth monitoring. Ask Malcolm Butler what happens when you miss practice when you're sick.
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Hey the dude who scored 4 tds and ran for 200 yards was banished for the rest of his carreer because he didnt get his phone plugged in right and missed a team meeting. No amount of explaining got him out of BBs doghouse.
 
Anyone know why Harris played so little yesterday? Just a preference for Stevenson? He appears to have been effective in his chances.
 
J R said:
Anyone know why Harris played so little yesterday? Just a preference for Stevenson? He appears to have been effective in his chances.
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What are you asking?
Are you aware what RS was doing when Harris was hurt?
They split carries yesterday and RS is the preferred passing option which gives him a higher ceiling than Harris
Harris got plenty of carries throughout the game, it's a split back field
@Anarchy99 has explained the dynamic with these 2 RBs repeatedly

The question you want to task today is what is the state of the OL? Center-Andrews might be done for the season, that's not good.
Stevenson had mostly excelled while Harris was OUT or nursing injuries, would you not agree?
 
Ministry of Pain said:
J R said:
Anyone know why Harris played so little yesterday? Just a preference for Stevenson? He appears to have been effective in his chances.
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What are you asking?
Are you aware what RS was doing when Harris was hurt?
They split carries yesterday and RS is the preferred passing option which gives him a higher ceiling than Harris
Harris got plenty of carries throughout the game, it's a split back field
@Anarchy99 has explained the dynamic with these 2 RBs repeatedly

The question you want to task today is what is the state of the OL? Center-Andrews might be done for the season, that's not good.
Stevenson had mostly excelled while Harris was OUT or nursing injuries, would you not agree?
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Huh? They didn't split carries yesterday, nor did Harris get plenty of carries throughout the game. Harris got 8 carries all game (vs 15 for Stevenson) and he didn't touch the ball on their last 3 possessions. It's a legit question, especially considering Harris averaged 8.1 ypc vs 1.7 for Stevenson.
 
humpback said:
Ministry of Pain said:
J R said:
Anyone know why Harris played so little yesterday? Just a preference for Stevenson? He appears to have been effective in his chances.
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What are you asking?
Are you aware what RS was doing when Harris was hurt?
They split carries yesterday and RS is the preferred passing option which gives him a higher ceiling than Harris
Harris got plenty of carries throughout the game, it's a split back field
@Anarchy99 has explained the dynamic with these 2 RBs repeatedly

The question you want to task today is what is the state of the OL? Center-Andrews might be done for the season, that's not good.
Stevenson had mostly excelled while Harris was OUT or nursing injuries, would you not agree?
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Huh? They didn't split carries yesterday, nor did Harris get plenty of carries throughout the game. Harris got 8 carries all game (vs 15 for Stevenson) and he didn't touch the ball on their last 3 possessions. It's a legit question, especially considering Harris averaged 8.1 ypc vs 1.7 for Stevenson.
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Let's try it a different way
Harris offers little to the Patriots in receiving so that limits when it's a good time for him to be in the ball game. Had they been playing with a lead I think you would have seen him more in the 4th.
Stevenson because he offers a dual threat or dual attack for New England, by nature he is going to get more snaps right now.
Plus I think you are discounting what Stevenson accomplished in Harris' absence

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And that was 7 weeks in a row leading into the Bye, he's sorta pushed his way into the lead RB spot on this team. I don't think yesterday's stats from a handful of carries is going to re-write the game script on offense or when they run the ball

As I said, the bigger issue is Andrews going out at Center, that's terrible for both RBs going forward.
 
Let's try again to evaluate the situation. RS played 49 of 63 snaps this week against NE. DH played 15 of 63 snaps. I don't remember a play when they were both on the field together, but there must have been one. Stevenson has earned a bigger share of the workload with Harris out with injury or sickness.

Stevenson had 21 touches for 82 YFS vs. 10 touches for Harris for 93 YFS. Harris benefited from two big runs when he had space to navigate (accounting for 52 of his 93 yards). NE alternated series early in the game but then continued to give Stevenson more playing time at the expense of Harris. He's been used as their third down / passing down back, and lately has gotten more short yardage work than he did previously. Stevenson continues to get a significant workload and many more snaps than Harris. As MOP pointed out, the OL is a shambles and both guys will only be able to get what is schemed up and blocked for them. Stevenson had no place to go most of the game, as there were usually one or two defenders in the backfield by the time he got the football on running plays. But they have been able to throw him the ball so he can still get some decent combined yardage totals.

Both guys have limited upside / scoring potential these days, as the Pats haven't had many goal line possessions (so therefor not many scoring chances). The NE offense has only scored 4 TD in their past 4 games. Their DEF/ST has scored 2 TD in that time. I don't see many easy games / soft defenses on the horizon, and that likely plays more into Stevenson game scripts than Harris. NE appears to have gone back to the dink and dunk passing attack . . . which has allowed RS to haul in 6 receptions a game over the past month. NE will almost certainly try to play keep a way on offense, let their defense do the heavy lifting, and try to win games 16-10 instead of 31-28.

Since 2019 (Brady's last year in NE), the "magic number" for NE defensively is 17 points allowed. In games when the defense has allowed 17 or fewer points, the Patriots have gone 31-1. In games when they have allowed 18 or more points, they are 4-25. It doesn't take a PhD to figure out what their game plan and strategy is. Keep the score down and have the offense support the defense (and not turn the ball over).
 

Damien Harris was on crutches in the locker room after leaving the Patriots' Week 12 loss to the Vikings with a thigh injury.​

Harris went down with a thigh injury in the third quarter of the losing effort. He was initially listed as questionable to return but was later ruled out. Pierre Strong was active as New England's third back for this game but did not see a snap. Rhamondre Stevenson handled every snap and touch for the Pats after Harris went down. If Harris is out for Week 13, Stevenson will have 20-touch upside and could be in line for a top-five ranking at his position.
SOURCE: Chris Mason on Twitter
Nov 25, 2022, 1:19 AM ET
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Ministry of Pain said:
Stevenson had 9 catches for over 70 yds
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Harris left the game with a thigh injury, was in a great deal of pain in the locker room, couldn’t get pants on initially, and left the stadium on crutches. We’ve seen several times this year where NE players had initial injuries that weren’t as bad as initially reported, but it sounds like Harris will be unlikely to play next week.
 

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports Damien Harris (thigh) is not expected to play on Thursday against the Bills.​

Rapoport said the Pats consider Harris week to week, indicating he will miss more than just New England's Thursday game versus the Bills. Rhamondre Stevenson has been dominant in games without Harris this year. That has happened twice. His PPR points per game jumps from 16 with Harris to 21 without his counterpart. He should push for RB1 fantasy numbers until Harris returns to the lineup.
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SOURCE: Ian Rapoport on Twitter
Nov 28, 2022, 8:35 PM ET
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Damien Harris (thigh) won't play in Week 13 against the Bills.​

Harris did not practice at all this week and was reported to be out for Week 13 as early as Monday, so this isn't much more than paperwork. Rhamondre Stevenson will claim the entire backfield to himself versus Buffalo. With no competition for touches, Stevenson will project as a mid-range RB1 despite the difficult matchup. Even if the Pats go down early, Stevenson will parlay his elite role in the receiving game into a solid performance via receptions.
Nov 30, 2022, 3:38 PM ET
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It’s unfortunate that he’s injured, but the fact is that Stevenson took his lunch long before he got hurt. If anyone was counting on Harris this week, it was a longshot.
 
Any guesses on when this guy will be back? I have a couple RBs on bye but don't want to take Harris off IR until I have to. Playing Monday and him being a Pat helps not when it comes to info.
 
Leroy Hoard said:
Any guesses on when this guy will be back? I have a couple RBs on bye but don't want to take Harris off IR until I have to. Playing Monday and him being a Pat helps not when it comes to info.
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Looks like he didn't practice yesterday, so my guess is it's not looking good for Monday unless he progresses rapidly the next few days.

Problem is that Stevenson has been really playing well, so it's hard to count on Harris going forward unless he manages to get in the end zone a few times.
 
zamboni said:
Leroy Hoard said:
Any guesses on when this guy will be back? I have a couple RBs on bye but don't want to take Harris off IR until I have to. Playing Monday and him being a Pat helps not when it comes to info.
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Looks like he didn't practice yesterday, so my guess is it's not looking good for Monday unless he progresses rapidly the next few days.

Problem is that Stevenson has been really playing well, so it's hard to count on Harris going forward unless he manages to get in the end zone a few times.
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Yeah I was just going to use him in a final flex spot but I'll just keep him in free parking IR instead.
 

Damien Harris (thigh) remain sidelined for Thursday's practice.​

It puts Harris on the wrong side of questionable to return for Monday evening's game against the Cardinals after he missed Week 13. Of course, this being the Patriots, we may not get a truly accurate sense of Harris' status until Saturday's final injury report. We certainly wouldn't be counting on him as an RB2/3 for the final week of the fantasy regular season.
SOURCE: Chad Graff on Twitter
Dec 8, 2022, 1:23 PM ET
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I get that people are desperate and may have some players on their roster banged up, but I don't see Harris being a viable solution. For a touchdown dependent fantasy back, the last time Harris scored a TD was in Week 4. This is Week 14. He's had more than 40 yards rushing in a game once in that time (and he only accomplished that with a 30-yard run where no one touched him near the LOS against the Jets or he would have been back under 40 yards).

From Week 5 on, his weekly fantasy ranking has been: 64, DNP, 57, 45, DNP, 21, 72, DNP. In the last two games he played, he saw 11 and 15 snaps (and also had games with 6 and 9 snaps before that). Harris' history has been that he hasn't played when he hasn't practiced, and if he finally showed up for a final walk through, NE hardly played him. Oh, and the Patriots last rushing TD was 6 games ago (which is hurting Rhamondre Stevenson too).
 
Anarchy99 said:
I get that people are desperate and may have some players on their roster banged up, but I don't see Harris being a viable solution. For a touchdown dependent fantasy back, the last time Harris scored a TD was in Week 4. This is Week 14. He's had more than 40 yards rushing in a game once in that time (and he only accomplished that with a 30-yard run where no one touched him near the LOS against the Jets or he would have been back under 40 yards).

From Week 5 on, his weekly fantasy ranking has been: 64, DNP, 57, 45, DNP, 21, 72, DNP. In the last two games he played, he saw 11 and 15 snaps (and also had games with 6 and 9 snaps before that). Harris' history has been that he hasn't played when he hasn't practiced, and if he finally showed up for a final walk through, NE hardly played him. Oh, and the Patriots last rushing TD was 6 games ago (which is hurting Rhamondre Stevenson too).
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You haven’t seen my roster 😉
 
I still think he’s a decent dynasty stash, but getting tougher to use an active roster spot on him. Hopefully they declare him out well before gameday like they have done in recent weeks.
 
houston said:
I still think he’s a decent dynasty stash, but getting tougher to use an active roster spot on him. Hopefully they declare him out well before gameday like they have done in recent weeks.
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Harris has not participated in practice at all since his thigh injury (including today). I would be surprised if he played. I expect that they will rule him out before the game, but the game is on MNF. Hopefully they do that before Sunday.
 
Harris another DNP in practice again today. Perhaps more importantly, I don’t think he’s been spotted in the locker room. I expect he will be ruled out against ARI tomorrow.
 
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