barackdhouse
Footballguy
He is currently RB10 in PPG in PPR. If you go back to his last 4 of last season he is averaging 19.8 PPG, which would be good for RB4 right now.
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RB Derrick Henry, BAL (2 Viewers)
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az_prof
Footballguy
Right. And there is room to grow there because he has been effective as a receiver when they do use him in that role. He has caught 76.5% of targets for career, which is about average for a RB. But he produces when he catches with an above average yards per catch of 10.4
This season he is still not being used a lot in passing game but he already has as many targets (18) as he had in 16 games last year. It would be nice to see him catch 30 receptions and with his superior running that would help cushion his fantasy floor. The last two games his targets are up to 3 and 2 instead of 1 for most of the other games this season with Mariotta at QB. Maybe Tannehill is more inclined to dump off to Henry? Catching one extra pass/game would really help.
dipandglide
Footballguy
Great. How about you add more games than the last 4 to the sample? That floor I'm talking about it quite evident.
Football Jones
Footballguy
To be fair, not sure his numbers with Mariota mean much.
Henry was clearly hindered by QB play (at least somewhat).
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Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
This guy is a beast. I'm not ppr so I understand the potential downgrade there. But he is the main focus of this offense and almost any move would be an upgrade to his ceiling.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I was talking about the last 14 games, which includes the last 4 from last season. I thought I was clear about that. That's when he started getting the workhorse treatment.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Last 14 games. The last 4 referenced were from last season. Last 4 from 2018 and 10 games from 2019.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
If you understood that I meant the last 14 games, why on Earth would anyone ever look at the games before that? When he wasn't ever the workhorse. Those games are meaningless. He's the guy now and we have 14 games of dominance. In PPR.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
19.8 points per game in PPR over his last 14 games, when he became a workhorse. Good for RB4.
ETA He missed the endzone in only 4 of those last 14 games, and in those 4 he still averaged 9.25 points in PPR. I mean, is that really horrible to some people?
ETA He missed the endzone in only 4 of those last 14 games, and in those 4 he still averaged 9.25 points in PPR. I mean, is that really horrible to some people?
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Amused to Death
Footballguy
-OZ-
Footballguy
he's my rb1 in one league where I'm 8-2. I'm good with it. He wouldn't be a first round pick today probably, but if you go wr, Kelce or Mahomes early, he'll be a fine rb1
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Would love it if they used him more in the passing game. I have a small sample overall personally, but he wasn't known as a receiver in college, he hasn't been trusted as a receiver in the NFL, and what I've seen this year he's kinda had stone hands -- losing handles on passes and generally looking uncomfortable with the ball.
Wait, what? Is this
?I mean, he has a more upright style than most backs his size, but he is a north south runner who does not shy from contact and who runs with tons of power.
Football Jones
Footballguy
Henry isn't a plus receiver, but it can be simple stuff like screens, checkdowns, & swing passes.
He's tough for DBs to bring down & his long speed is near elite.
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rockaction
Footballguy
If I had him anywhere, he'd be exactly there, without question. My biggest mistake this year in my main league was drafting Sony Michel over him in non-PPR (hence I could justify Michel). Bad move on my end.
grateful zed
Footballguy
mphtrilogy
Footballguy
I feel like he's been getting dissed since the season started, but he's been rock solid and carried my team to an improbable win this week. He's my #1 now as Barkley is a shell of his former self.
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Gottabesweet
Footballguy
need2know
Footballguy
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Oh, don't get me wrong, I think those kinds of plays would be right up his alley.
But I have literally seen in a game this year Henry get wide open in the flat for a screen pass and have it bounce off of his hands like they were made of stone.
And another instance this season where Henry bobbled and dropped a really easy dump-off.
Not saying he can't catch -- but from what I've seen, can see why they may not be utilizing him in this phase of the game.
Football Jones
Footballguy
From what I've seen, Henry is a decent pass-catcher.
That said, I haven't made a point to go back & watch all his targets.
He had a couple drops but he's also had catches. It's just people feel validated with their "he can't catch" claim when he has a drop. 2 or 3 weeks ago, he caught a screen or short sideline route and was gone and yet not a peep from the can't catch people.
I've said this before but I just find it so fascinating. Brandon Jacobs used to catch screens during camp and destroy the CBs up the sideline. People would say how Bam Morris did the same. The Giants and Chiefs/Steelers almost never called those plays. The Titans only do maybe every three weeks, despite him consistently successful with it. There is some stigma some something that makes NFL coaches hesitant but I'm sitting at home and....good luck to those little corners trying to stop the big man
Football Jones
Footballguy
That's exactly my point. Henry isn't a traditional "in-space" pass-catcher, but when he's isolated on a DB (or even a LB), it's a mismatch most times not due to his quickness like most top receiving backs, but because of his size & strength. And Henry has near elite long speed to take it to the house if he can break a tackle or two.
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simey
Footballguy
Henry's size is deceiving. It looks like he isn't running fast, but he has a lot of speed.
bostonfred
Footballguy
He's got great speed but not great acceleration. His 4.5 40 wasn't just impressive, it was phenomenal when you consider that his first couple yards he was an eighth of a ton moving from a dead stop.
The first couple years the titans didn't do enough to get him a running start before he got the ball. Throwing it to him, toss sweeps, deep set I formations are the way to use guys like him.
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
When I'm at Bills games, they put up on the scoreboard "speed leaders" of the week in MPH - a useless stat for us as we just want the fantasy stats waiting for the board to change, but Henry is always up there around 21.5 MPH's and when I see that I know he had a good day!
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Totally with you and the rest above -- Henry has home run ability and would not just mow down smaller defenders, but can flat-out outrun them.
Needs to catch the ball first. I believe he can be utilized here, but the passes I saw him drop were such inexcusable drops, it may unfortunately feed the unfair narrative that it's not his game. It 100% should be -- just like more volume helps Henry just get stronger over the game, the more they use him in the passing game, I think the better he contributes.
This always gets me - on his early season 75+ scamper, looked like he was running with power, not quickly -- his feet didn't seem to be churning fast, etc. Blew me away when I saw he was 21+ MPH -- I knew he was fast, but it was the very fact that he looks like he is running slower than he does that's very deceiving. Might just be that he is super efficient in mechanics that he does more with less, and that he's so good he simply makes running fast look easy.
Either way, he's been fantastic through last half of last year and through this year, and hope the team continues to find ways of using him more in all phases as the Titans seem to have new energy and approaches with Tannehill.
bostonfred
Footballguy
His legs move the same speed as Devin Singletary, but they're 4 inches longer.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
And once he gets to those smaller defensive players they now have an even tougher target to bring down.
TheAssassin
Footballguy
He's my 3rd RB (only start 2) but I can't trade him for a top 15 WR, crickets.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I turned down an offer of Diggs and a 2020 1st for my Henry and Duke Johnson. Still thinking about it but his 1st is likely late. He is currently a lower playoff seed with a pretty solid team. Henry would help him. I countered with Godwin and Henderson for Henry/Duke but he rejected. Said it was close.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Crazy that I bet the reason is that Henry for whatever reason still carries the cognitive tag of being a plodding, boom/bust RB to some fantasy players.
Hopefully you've been starting him and reaping the benefits this year.
need2know
Footballguy
TheAssassin
Footballguy
I don't know if I have the cajones to trade Elliot or Chubb but I might float them out there. Henry has a lower floor but has so much upside. I'd like to think Tannehill has helped raise his floor.need2know said:
need2know
Footballguy
depends on what you can get . i would trade chubb for a wr1 easily with henry already on your roster
-OZ-
Footballguy
fightingillini
Footballguy
Exactly what I would do. While Chubb got a lot of carries last night, all the RB receptions were going to Hunt. Heck, there was a play at the PIT 1 yd line where Chubb wasn't even in the game. You know that Henry and Zeke are getting the ball at the 1 yd line, and likely cashing it in for 6.
Trade Chubb for a solid WR1 like Cooper if you can, and roll with Zeke and Henry.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I'm a big fan of this guy, but I just moved him and a 2020 3rd for Juju and a 2020 1st that is likely mid to late. It's from a different team so Henry didn't improve the team the 1st is from. FFPC and I am trying to rebuild. Henry isn't helping me win championships on this team and Juju will have much more longevity than Henry. I have three 2020 1sts now, including two early ones.
TheAssassin
Footballguy
I traded Henry / McClaurin for DJ Chark (good schedule) and K.Hunt (I have Chubb and Elliot). I probably ensured Henry has an epic stretch run. Thank me later!
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
Was offered Barkley for him in a redraft and I think I’m sticking with Henry even in PPR.
The Oline is healthier, the Titans are in a lot of games and there schedule isn’t too terrible. I just wish he had a PPR floor.
The Oline is healthier, the Titans are in a lot of games and there schedule isn’t too terrible. I just wish he had a PPR floor.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
For the record, I'd say it is more likely he has one of those 10/14 games than one of those 4/14 games, moving forward. I don't own Barkley so I haven't looked at him closely, but I would guess his floor is a little higher than Henry. 24 PPG for Henry in those 10/14 when he does score.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
As for just 2019 games, and not counting the game Barkley got hurt, Barkley is averaging 18.2 PPG and Henry 17.3.
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
But Barkley could be scaled back or get less work as they put in worse players down the stretch to evaluate? Am I wrong to be hesitant in getting rid of Henry for Barkley? Seems like the Titans are trending up.
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
Wait. You’re playing Chubb over Henry at this point? No way I’d do that. Hunt has made Chubb’s PPR ability less than Henry’s now. Let alone eating into touches. And that team stinks for all it’s talent. CMC, Cook and maybe Elliott and Jacobs are the only backs I’d rather have right now.
And Cleveland’s putrid line can’t get Chubb the goal lines TDs.
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