RB Derrick Henry, TEN (1 Viewer)

[FFWhiskey]

Riding Henry until the wheels fall off. Guy isn't even 30. Dude could lose speed and still be an effective 4.0 YPC grinder with upside of 10+ TDs.


I think he's a hall of fame talent with at least 2-3 years of RB1 production in him. His size is what makes me comfortable. Even if he loses some burst, he's still going to be trucking through people and throwing defensive backs around with his nasty stiff arm.


Other aging RBs don't have his brute size and strength to compensate. I think he can adjust and stay productive as he ages for that reason. He's built from a different mold. Hard to compare other backs and typical regression to him because he is an outlier.

Wondering if this is why you asked the Kelce question. I do think there's a big difference as RB's can't play at an older age like receivers can, and generally teams have drafted their replacement already and are eager to get said replacement getting reps.

Right? It does seem like I am talking out both sides of my mouth. I think both guys are HOF talents.

One guy is 4 years older than the other and in football terms, that might as well be dog years. I think it comes down to ADP. Kelce requires an early first round investment and Henry can be had in the mid to late 2nd.


If Henry was going in the first round, I'd balk at that. Similarly, if Kelce was going mid to late 2nd I would draft him everytime.

 

[Deamon]

If Henry was going in the first round, I'd balk at that. Similarly, if Kelce was going mid to late 2nd I would draft him everytime.

That's fantasy, my friend. 11 other guys who think similarly to you and won't let Kelce drop that far and won't reach on Henry. Well, there's always a few wildcards in every league I suppose.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

^^^ Please don't take that as an anti-Derek Henry post. Henry is a multi-year beast. I would be happy to roster him this year. At the right price.

2.07?

3.01?

Where’s the point in the draft you pull the trigger?

 

[joey]

^^^ Please don't take that as an anti-Derek Henry post. Henry is a multi-year beast. I would be happy to roster him this year. At the right price.

2.07?

3.01?

Where’s the point in the draft you pull the trigger?

I’m drafting from the 10 spot in a 12 team league. At the 2.3 (if I go WR in the 1st) I’m definitely looking in Henry's direction.

 

[Insein]

In my league we have keepers go in the round they were drafted from previous seasons. So 5 guys are already gone ahead of me at 8. I may need to take him at 1.8 in mine if no one is left.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

^^^ Please don't take that as an anti-Derek Henry post. Henry is a multi-year beast. I would be happy to roster him this year. At the right price.

2.07?

3.01?

Where’s the point in the draft you pull the trigger?

I’m drafting from the 10 spot in a 12 team league. At the 2.3 (if I go WR in the 1st) I’m definitely looking in Henry's direction.

in one of my NFC drafts he fell to 2.07

Hard to look at his potential and take anyone else on the board at that point.

 

[Adso]

Frank Gore is an interesting comparison, because Frank Gore never carried the ball like Henry. Gore had 280+ carries only once in his life, and it was his 2nd year in the league. Henry has done it 3 times already in his 4th, 5th, and 7th years.

If the discussion is aging in carries, accelerated by breaking certain limits within certain time frames, Henry carries significantly higher risk than Gore. Even if we only look at age and workload, then this year will likely be Henry's last elite season. Gore's final efficient season was age 29, he entered the year with 1,653 carries.

Henry is 29 and entering the year with 1,750 carries.

After that point Gore fell to 4.1, 4.3, 3.7, 3.9, and 3.7 yards per carry, averaging about 1050 yards rushing on 260 carries for the next 5 years. Which for padding stats and real NFL, is great. For fantasy RBs, isn't. We had 15 guys break 1000 yards rushing last season. We're talking about Henry as a top 5 fantasy back. The cliff, at least for me, is about his fantasy relevance, not his NFL relevance.

Marshawn Lynch's last good season was age 28, he entered the year with 1,955 carries on his legs.

Steven Jacksons last good season was age 29, he entered the year with 2,138 carries on his legs.

Adrian Peterson's last good season was age 30, he entered the year with 2,054 carries on his legs.

LeSean McCoys last good season was age 29, he entered the year with 1,898 carries on his legs.

LaDainian Tomlinson's last good season was age 28, he entered the year with 2,050 carries on his legs.

Realistically, I think Henry has at least 1 more elite season in him possibly 2 based on the examples above, which for 2023, is all that matters right now. But I also completely understand everyone wanting to be 1 year early rather than 1 year late and can't fault them. I myself am obviously in that boat, in that, I'm not targeting Henry at all, but I'm not intentionally avoiding him either. If he falls to me at a value spot, I'll draft him and not lose any sleep.

But we're in that very scary range of hitting 1800-2000 career carries where historically the cliff has come, even for the HOF talent RBs.

This year Henry is 29 entering with 1750 carries.

Next year he'll be 30 entering with 2000+.

Given your reasoning, what do you think he's worth in dynasty to a contender?

He's pretty much untradeable imo, unless you have inexperienced leaguemates that are completely oblivious to the rb cliff. If you're a win-now team and you have Henry or Kelce, you ride these guys into the dirt. Every rational leaguemate is going to assume one or two big years from Henry at the most. And then they're going to assume that he's completely done mattering in fantasy thereafter.

That's probably the most likely outcome, but if there's going to be a unicorn that does smash through his age 32 season, where none of the rules seem to apply, it's going to be someone like Henry. Maybe the cliff isn't as steep as everyone assumes, maybe he lands on a high powered offense and just eats short yardage TDs to the extent of being a viable low-end fantasy RB2 until age 33. Nobody is going to pay you with those expectations in mind, but it's not completely out of the realm of possibilities. If you're a contending team, you might as well just hold and enjoy whatever is left of the ride.

I was thinking more in terms of buying actually.

 

[Faust]

Titans' Derrick Henry aims to show RB value in 2023 season: 'We just want our share due'

 

[The Frankman]

Derrick Henry carried the ball 15 times for 63 yards, while hauling in two passes for 56 yards in a Week 1 loss to the Saints.

Henry ran violently, as per usual, and notched one highlight-worthy stiff arm on the afternoon. He also looked explosive on a long catch-and-run, which shows his potential value in the passing game. However, the Titans also made good on their promise to limit his workload, getting rookie Tyjae Spears onto the field often. After the game, head coach Mike Vrabel mentioned that some Derrick Henry run calls were audibled at the line due to looks from the Saints defense, so it’s important not to overreact to his smaller workload on Sunday. However, the performance of the offensive line does warrant a bit of concern, even though they could get a juicy matchup next week against a Chargers defense that was gashed against the run last year.
- Rotoworld

 

[SproutDaddy]

Anyone traded him or traded for him in dynasty recently? With the injury to Chubb and the lack of youth on my dynasty team, I've decided to blow it up even though I felt I had a contender. I just lack depth. I just sent an email to my league mates and already received an offer. Not very enticing honestly. Guy is definitely a contender. I feel like I should get more. Maybe I'm not gauging his value properly. Just received:

I give Derrick Henry

I get Jonathan Mingo and 2024 3rd which will be late

I just feel he's worth a little more.

 

[BearsFan4Life]

Anyone traded him or traded for him in dynasty recently? With the injury to Chubb and the lack of youth on my dynasty team, I've decided to blow it up even though I felt I had a contender. I just lack depth. I just sent an email to my league mates and already received an offer. Not very enticing honestly. Guy is definitely a contender. I feel like I should get more. Maybe I'm not gauging his value properly. Just received:

I give Derrick Henry

I get Jonathan Mingo and 2024 3rd which will be late

I just feel he's worth a little more.

I own Henry in dynasty .. I probably held on to him a year too long so riding Henry out as he is more valuable than what I can get for him

 

[TomServo]

Not involved. Both teams are good.

Team A gave Henry, Derrick TEN RB; Cooper, Amari CLE WR; LaPorta, Sam DET TE
Team B gave Allen, Keenan LAC WR; Andrews, Mark BAL TE

 

[kutta]

Anyone traded him or traded for him in dynasty recently? With the injury to Chubb and the lack of youth on my dynasty team, I've decided to blow it up even though I felt I had a contender. I just lack depth. I just sent an email to my league mates and already received an offer. Not very enticing honestly. Guy is definitely a contender. I feel like I should get more. Maybe I'm not gauging his value properly. Just received:

I give Derrick Henry

I get Jonathan Mingo and 2024 3rd which will be late

I just feel he's worth a little more.

Not close IMO.

 

[-OZ-]

Anyone traded him or traded for him in dynasty recently? With the injury to Chubb and the lack of youth on my dynasty team, I've decided to blow it up even though I felt I had a contender. I just lack depth. I just sent an email to my league mates and already received an offer. Not very enticing honestly. Guy is definitely a contender. I feel like I should get more. Maybe I'm not gauging his value properly. Just received:

I give Derrick Henry

I get Jonathan Mingo and 2024 3rd which will be late

I just feel he's worth a little more.

Not close IMO.

Thankfully the only leave I have him, I’m contending so not selling but that isn’t close imo. But then, anyone buying is thinking worst case so might not pay more. If I didn’t have him I’d consider trading a late 1st but would definitely trade a 2 and 3.

 

[ShamrockPride]

Anyone traded him or traded for him in dynasty recently? With the injury to Chubb and the lack of youth on my dynasty team, I've decided to blow it up even though I felt I had a contender. I just lack depth. I just sent an email to my league mates and already received an offer. Not very enticing honestly. Guy is definitely a contender. I feel like I should get more. Maybe I'm not gauging his value properly. Just received:

I give Derrick Henry

I get Jonathan Mingo and 2024 3rd which will be late

I just feel he's worth a little more.

Not close IMO.

Thankfully the only leave I have him, I’m contending so not selling but that isn’t close imo. But then, anyone buying is thinking worst case so might not pay more. If I didn’t have him I’d consider trading a late 1st but would definitely trade a 2 and 3.

At this point, for the most part, the only buyers you'll have are contenders. But he can still put a team over the top in the right hands.

I'm considering buying, my squad is right in that championship window. I'm thinking a 1st rounder at least starts a serious conversation.

 

[Hartliner]

Henry was a limited participant in practice on Wednesday and didn't practice on Thursday. Sounds like it could be nothing but he is 28 and it is a toe injury.

Derrick Henry Injury Update: Will Henry Play in Week 3? Fantasy Impact and More

Fantasy managers hope Tennessee Titans RB Derrick Henry can battle through a toe injury he picked up last week. How much will it impact him in Week 3?

www.profootballnetwork.com

Spears, might add him preemptively to see what Friday practice shows?

 

[kyoun1e]

Henry was a limited participant in practice on Wednesday and didn't practice on Thursday. Sounds like it could be nothing but he is 28 and it is a toe injury.

Derrick Henry Injury Update: Will Henry Play in Week 3? Fantasy Impact and More

Fantasy managers hope Tennessee Titans RB Derrick Henry can battle through a toe injury he picked up last week. How much will it impact him in Week 3?

www.profootballnetwork.com

Spears, might add him preemptively to see what Friday practice shows?

As somebody who just got Spears in waivers I'll be watching this closely.

 

[BearsFan4Life]

Henry was a limited participant in practice on Wednesday and didn't practice on Thursday. Sounds like it could be nothing but he is 28 and it is a toe injury.

Derrick Henry Injury Update: Will Henry Play in Week 3? Fantasy Impact and More

Fantasy managers hope Tennessee Titans RB Derrick Henry can battle through a toe injury he picked up last week. How much will it impact him in Week 3?

www.profootballnetwork.com

Spears, might add him preemptively to see what Friday practice shows?

As somebody who just got Spears in waivers I'll be watching this closely.

Dynasty... will be watching as well. Wasn't able to draft Spears as he went before I picked in the rookie draft. I have ridiculous depth at RB so if Henry can't go I am starting JJacobs.

 

[RenegadeRoy]

Wild that more Henry owners in redraft don't have Spears. Most obvious and maybe the only necessary handcuff this year IMO.

 

[fatness]

#Titans practice report for Friday ahead of Sunday vs Browns-
Derrick Henry, Luke Gifford returned.-
No sign of DeAndre Hopkins, Peter Skoronski Anthony Kendall, Kearis Jackson during open portion of practice.

Turron Davenport

 

[-OZ-]

Wild that more Henry owners in redraft don't have Spears. Most obvious and maybe the only necessary handcuff this year IMO.

I hear that, but given how bad the line is, spears wasn’t really a premium add in redraft. I thought he was a very good pick or even a steal mid-late 2nd round of rookie drafts. But I really wasn’t expecting much this year.

 

[Runkle]

Wild that more Henry owners in redraft don't have Spears. Most obvious and maybe the only necessary handcuff this year IMO.

Spears went way too high in my draft to get as a handcuff. Was taken as a RB3/4 outright because of the hype.

For that price, I was scared off. This offense frightens me if Henry isn't there.

 

[menobrown]

Wild that more Henry owners in redraft don't have Spears. Most obvious and maybe the only necessary handcuff this year IMO.

I hear that, but given how bad the line is, spears wasn’t really a premium add in redraft. I thought he was a very good pick or even a steal mid-late 2nd round of rookie drafts. But I really wasn’t expecting much this year.

Spears is actually my most drafted player in redrafts. Shared my thoughts on him in his thread many months ago but his role is about what I expected with Henry healthy but my main reason for drafting him so often was the major upside I thought he had should the 29 year old hard used Henry suffer an injury.

 

[Smack Tripper]

So looks like we got a problem here

 

[Banger]

Didn’t see the game and read the game thread and it didn’t mention Henry’s game and what happened. I thought with his stat line maybe he got injured but I guess not. One of those games where the defense stacked the line and he couldn’t break anything?

 

[Smack Tripper]

Didn’t see the game and read the game thread and it didn’t mention Henry’s game and what happened. I thought with his stat line maybe he got injured but I guess not. One of those games where the defense stacked the line and he couldn’t break anything?

i had it on the ticket, looked like limited snaps, a bad titans line and a good Cleveland front, but.. a few times henry got 4 when he would have gotten 8-10 even last year, not sure if age or injury but potentially both

 

[Banger]

Didn’t see the game and read the game thread and it didn’t mention Henry’s game and what happened. I thought with his stat line maybe he got injured but I guess not. One of those games where the defense stacked the line and he couldn’t break anything?

i had it on the ticket, looked like limited snaps, a bad titans line and a good Cleveland front, but.. a few times henry got 4 when he would have gotten 8-10 even last year, not sure if age or injury but potentially both

Ya…Browns have a tough D line too. That Chubb injury is gonna be like the Rodgers injury for the Jets.

 

[Wigglytuff's Gruff]

They are a bad team, basically. See Josh Jacobs with the Raiders this year, Najee Harris with the Steelers.

But, time waits for nobody, especially NFL running backs.

 

[Drake Hater]

Jets and Titans are very similar situations. Defenses can just sit back and dare those incompetent QBs try and beat them while they key on the running game.

 

[Banger]

Jets and Titans are very similar situations. Defenses can just sit back and dare those incompetent QBs try and beat them while they key on the running game.

Ya, I haven’t watched much of the titans but Tannehill looks done like Matt Ryan last year. Any kind of pass rush and he crumples in a heap. Hard to run when everyone knows that’s all that you can do and your stud RB is likely getting worn down.

They need some balance and the threat of a pass to open things up a bit

 

[menobrown]

Didn’t see the game and read the game thread and it didn’t mention Henry’s game and what happened. I thought with his stat line maybe he got injured but I guess not. One of those games where the defense stacked the line and he couldn’t break anything?

Miami had 4 more TD's yesterday then the Titans had first downs.

 

[Faust]

Dave Kluge
According to Pro Football Reference, Derrick Henry has broken a tackle once in every 10.3 carries dating back to the 2018 season.

Through 51 attempts so far this year, he has yet to register a single broken tackle.

https://twitter.com/davekluge/status/1706412869300953262?s=21

 

[Bri]

Didn’t see the game and read the game thread and it didn’t mention Henry’s game and what happened. I thought with his stat line maybe he got injured but I guess not. One of those games where the defense stacked the line and he couldn’t break anything?

New OC thinks he was great in Houston.
He was the passing game coordinator last year and they had a worst ever type passing attack last year. Vrabel promoted his buddy.

He called a very Houston-ish week one game.
Vrabel made it a point to say Henry and Burks are very much in our future plans ....which sounds like he was displeased. That Wednesday he said Chig is also in our plans.

Week two- wayyy better OC job. Looked like the preseason offense we saw which is just his spin on Titans prior offense.

Week three- got a screw loose play calls.
Jim Schwartz mocking him moving Myles around pre-snap to force an offsides was sooo ridiculous. Vrabel essentially said a lot of things could be better, bad game by all etc. Didn't single out the OC.
Titans line stinks but other than Dillard, they've been stepping up and getting better each week. They got em all at Costco basically. They have to have the advantage that Henry gives them by slamming into eight in a box defense all day. Kelly calling all these look at me plays was stupid. He could have called screens and reverses and a whole list of plays to keep that DL on their heels.

It was bad.
Henry looked great in week two- not old or lost a step or stone hands or...just like good ol Henry that we're used to. Spears looks like the perfect compliment to him. Slashing speed that's tough to chase after wrestling Henry. He's gotta establish Henry first though.

The Titans lost their pro bowl T Taylor Lewan in 2021 to ACL and 2022 when he reinjured it. They're plenty used to a questionable replacement LT.

They're rumored to be interested in Lael Collins and Kelly's brother but Justin Murray had a great camp like a journeyman making the most of his opportunity. He curiously didn't win a starting spot so he could sub there. Skoronski has been excellent at LG but was drafted as a T. They could make a move at LT.

Trevon Wesco has been awful at blocking TE and Chig isn't very good from the move TE spot. This is a prob that forces the tackles to try and do their job plus help and they're barely good enough to do theirs. Rader is on the PS but was worse than Wesco. Whyle is a giant former WR that blocks decent and is Chig's backup. It's possible they use him.

They need to bring back XFL Alize Mack who has a great camp, injured two weeks, then did well. He was a cut Vrabel said was tough on him. He plays FB and both TE spots. Timothy Carter was with them last year and may be called to return too. Jacques Patrick is a former XFL RB big bruiser that can play FB too. He's on the PS.

Julius Chestnut got hurt on ST and depending on the update that could give them a spot to add someone.

In brief- Kelly needs to run him anyway early and often and use the options he has to fix the blocking woes.

 

[Faust]

Titans RB Derrick Henry: 'Rough' Week 3 performance added 'a little more fuel' going into Bengals game

 

[FFWhiskey]

Not sure if he's cashed, team sucks, or both.

 

[RenegadeRoy]

Any chance the Titans try to move him? Feel like a the Titans would be better off trying to get something in a lost season.

 

[FairWarning]

Not sure if he's cashed, team sucks, or both.

Little of everything. He may have a nice bounceback tomorrow vs Cinn. Tenn is a very good home underdog under Vrable.

 

[FairWarning]

Any chance the Titans try to move him? Feel like a the Titans would be better off trying to get something in a lost season.

Not sure they could get more than a low pick, like a 6th for him. GB could sure use him though.

 

[Dez]

Any chance the Titans try to move him? Feel like a the Titans would be better off trying to get something in a lost season.

Not sure they could get more than a low pick, like a 6th for him. GB could sure use him though.

GB has Aaron Jones they are fine

 

[FairWarning]

Any chance the Titans try to move him? Feel like a the Titans would be better off trying to get something in a lost season.

Not sure they could get more than a low pick, like a 6th for him. GB could sure use him though.

GB has Aaron Jones they are fine

jones seems to get banged up a lot and Dillon isn’t the answer.

 

[Smack Tripper]

Would love to see him In Baltimore

 

[Just Win Baby]

Last season for Henry:

• Games 1-3:
  • 54/192/2 rushing (3.6 ypc, 64 ypg)
  • 5/58/0 receiving (10.0 ypr)
  • 14.0 fppg, RB14 in PPR
• Games 4-17 (he missed game 16):
  • 295/1346/11 rushing (4.6 ypc, 104 ypg)
  • 28/340/0 receiving (12.1 ypr)
  • 20.5 fppg, RB4 in PPR

I wouldn't write him off just yet.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Would love to see him In Baltimore

He could use an improvement in offense lines. Per a June PFF ranking, Tennessee is dead last at #32, Ravens are #4.

 

[joey]

Currently benching Henry for Mostert and JCook. Am I nuts?

 

[ZADO]

Last season for Henry:

• Games 1-3:
  • 54/192/2 rushing (3.6 ypc, 64 ypg)
  • 5/58/0 receiving (10.0 ypr)
  • 14.0 fppg, RB14 in PPR
• Games 4-17 (he missed game 16):
  • 295/1346/11 rushing (4.6 ypc, 104 ypg)
  • 28/340/0 receiving (12.1 ypr)
  • 20.5 fppg, RB4 in PPR

I wouldn't write him off just yet.

3rd easiest SOS for the season, its going to get better

 

[need2know]

He hasn't looked very good. They should trade him. Titans aren't going anywhere

 

[Smack Tripper]

Currently benching Henry for Mostert and JCook. Am I nuts?

Thinking of sitting him for Kelley, that turf toe concerns me, want to see him get a full work load again. Don’t like the game script for tomorrow with tennesse chasing points

 

[ZADO]

Last season he started off slow and i traded him away for Breece Hall who was lighting it up, then Breece got hurt and Henry started killing it....huge mistake i made

 

[Bri]

Currently benching Henry for Mostert and JCook. Am I nuts?

Thinking of sitting him for Kelley, that turf toe concerns me, want to see him get a full work load again. Don’t like the game script for tomorrow with tennesse chasing points

He doesn't have turf toe

 

[Bri]

Would love to see him In Baltimore

He could use an improvement in offense lines. Per a June PFF ranking, Tennessee is dead last at #32, Ravens are #4.

They will get Skoronski back soon and NPF but it'll still be a questionable group. There's hope tho