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three things:1) goings YPC in his similar stretch was pedestrian compared to droughns.
Disagree. Suggs was a 4th round pick BECAUSE of his injury when he was drafted. Why would they dump him having known they got him where they did because of the injury? You can hardly count his rookie year against him from the Browns point of view.Droughns is a solid tweener type but way over hyped for FF purposes.
Thanks Chuck. I haven't decided if this is good or not...having Bell & Droughns in a dynasty league...I hoped I would have the Denver backfield locked down. I like the possibility of now having 2 starters......but having the sure starter in Denver might be the better option of the two.
I agree completely.I'll even go further. This is not at all a bad development for Suggs owners. A possible alternative was CLE taking a RB high in the draft. Droughns is easier competition than that would be.
I think some people who are giddy to have won the debate about who's better, William Green and Lee Suggs don't see Suggs for what he is. He may be better than Green but he ain't great. Beating out Green is no big deal. Beating out a guy that had more production in a single season than Suggs has had in a career is not going to be that easy. Keep in mind that I was leading the charge on the Lee Suggs is better than William Green threads saying Green blows. But Suggs is going to have a tough battle holding onto the starting job of RD is traded to Cleveland.Droughns is only going to be insurance for if/when Suggs gets hurt.Every Suggs owner =
Droughns owner =
Ekuban does not fit into the 3-4 defense the Browns want to play. And if you look at salary, it's in the Browns favor. Both are signed through 2006-Ekuban-2005 $2,000,000. 2006 $3,000,000.
Exactly, but as the numbers The Man With No Name showed, this may be a salary cap saving move more than just a trade to get a RB they want.I'm sold on Suggs' ability and do not have any questions about him beyond his ability to stay healthy. I don't see Droughns as capable of beating him out for the starting job, but he should be a solid backup capable of filling in for him. Regarding the YPC of Suggs vs. Droughns, I don't think it's fair considering Suggs plays in the toughest division to run the ball and Droughns played for one of the best offenses for RB's in the NFL.
I don't understand this kind of logic. Teams aren't resigned to their pasts. When was the last time the 49ers lost 14 games in a season? Cleveland may have a terrible track record with RBs, but that doesn't guarantee anything about the future, particularly when you're talking about a new front office and a new coaching staff.
Fine then.... When's the last time Cleveland did anything productive?
We need a take stuff too seriously smiley.
BTW, The situation reminds me of the Bengals but I'm not sure the Browns take a QB round 1.
Exactly the case...You can use the past as a recent measure but to throw out a blanket statement based on the past lacks progressive thinking.
Edited to say he turned it down. Wow, I guess he would rather have a 2nd tier RB at 1.06 instead of Droughns. There you have it. This is what people think of Ruben Droughns at this time. Funny thing is, if he does end up the starter, he's sitting there with Suggs and Green. Now that is funny. Of course I don't really need Droughns on my team, thus the reason I offered a very good trade to him. People fall so in love with draft picks. Of course at 1.06 and Mike Williams already on my team from last year, you would think the 1.09 and Droughns is better than the 1.06. The only reason I posted this offer, is to give an idea of what people think of Droughns, even with the possibility he starts in Cleveland.
:fromAnchorman:"I'm kind of a big deal." "People know me."
You say "...don't see Suggs for what he is". What exactly is he? Anyone who has watched him can see a RB with vision and explosiveness. And Droughns' "more production in a single season than Suggs has had in a career" is almost comical. Suggs' career is a grand total of 2 years. I'm kind of baffled by some of the opinions in this thread. I like Droughns as a solid complementary type player. But a nice half year run in Denver seems to be clouding some people's minds.I think some people who are giddy to have won the debate about who's better, William Green and Lee Suggs don't see Suggs for what he is. He may be better than Green but he ain't great. Beating out Green is no big deal. Beating out a guy that had more production in a single season than Suggs has had in a career is not going to be that easy. Keep in mind that I was leading the charge on the Lee Suggs is better than William Green threads saying Green blows. But Suggs is going to have a tough battle holding onto the starting job of RD is traded to Cleveland.Droughns is only going to be insurance for if/when Suggs gets hurt.Every Suggs owner =
Droughns owner =
I agree that they will consistently have a tough schedule playing the Steelers and Ravens twice a year (at least for the foreseeable future).I do recall that they are bolstering their O-Line in free agency. I don't know that you can still call them "terrible". Granted they haven't played as a group yet, but they are putting the right guys their with Coleman and Andruzzi. This team should vastly alter their image based on what we've seen this far. Not saying they will be phenomenal this year, but in the next few years, I believe Crennel will put the right guys there and become a formidably running team.
I didn't mean to insinuate that I thought that the OL would be as bad as last year since they seem to be making some improvements. However, when a lot of people talk about Suggs they think he sucks, when it's actually been a combination of his OL, opposing defenses and injuries. When he's healthy he's a very dangerous runner but that's not been very often. His worst games last year came against the Redskins, Steelers (2X), Jets, Bengals, and Ravens - all great run defenses except the Bengals. He played well against the Eagles, Chargers, Dolphins and Texans - all good to decent run defenses. His last 3 games of the year he ran for 105, 143 and 131 yards.
Nothing Lee Suggs has done suggests he's on solid ground. Add to that an entirely new regime with their own agenda and no predispositions, there's absolutely no way Suggs has a lock on the starting job in Cleveland IMHO. Whether it's Droughns or a rookie or someone yet to be signed, I think the move to acquire Chester Taylor AND the talks re: trading for Droughns are proof positive that the new regime is ready, willing and able to open the RB job up for open competition.
Since I'm the guy who turned this trade down I guess I'll chime in. The thing is, I actually would rather have a 2nd tier RB in a good situation or Mark Clayton or Troy Williamson then Droughns. Could Droughns become the starter in Cleveland? Sure I think it's a possibility but I don't think it will happen. I think the only way Suggs loses playing time to Droughns is due to injury. People talk about Droughn's production but does anyone think he'd do any better then Willie Green did in Cleveland? When I think of Droughns, I think of Mike Anderson and Olandis Gary. Maybe I'm way off on that and maybe I do over-value 1st round rookie picks but that's just my opinion. At 1.06 I have a shot at a decent 2nd tier rookie RB who lands in a good situation or one of the top rookie WRs in Clayton or Williamson. At 1.09 I doubt I have those options.Different Stroke for different folks...Just because I'm a nice guy and in a good mood, I offered a guy in one of my leagues Droughns and the 1.09 rookie pick for the 1.06 and Mn def. He has Suggs and Green. I think I'm being generous, but that's the type of guy I am
Edited to say he turned it down. Wow, I guess he would rather have a 2nd tier RB at 1.06 instead of Droughns. There you have it. This is what people think of Ruben Droughns at this time. Funny thing is, if he does end up the starter, he's sitting there with Suggs and Green. Now that is funny. Of course I don't really need Droughns on my team, thus the reason I offered a very good trade to him. People fall so in love with draft picks. Of course at 1.06 and Mike Williams already on my team from last year, you would think the 1.09 and Droughns is better than the 1.06. The only reason I posted this offer, is to give an idea of what people think of Droughns, even with the possibility he starts in Cleveland.
Isnt Davenport a RFA??Anyway, Thomas was mentioned. Good point either way.
I have to respect what the Browns are doing this offseason. They're not going to contend this year, but they've moved quickly to rid themselves of the remnants of the last year's wasted 1st round picks and free agent signings. Getting rid of Brown, Warren, Garcia, Green (most likely) and Ekuban is most certainly addition by subtraction in terms of the long-term health of the franchise. I'm stunned that Shanahan is willing to bring on 3/4ths of the Browns DL from a year ago, did he not see the same ineptitude we all did?Sounds like it's almost a done deal. The Browns keep trucking through this offseason.
As a long time Browns fan (Broncos hater), I can only hope and wish they perform the same for the Broncos as they did for the Browns!! Nothing would be a bigger kick in the sack than for the 3 of them to go to Denver and live up to their potential all of the sudden.I have to respect what the Browns are doing this offseason. They're not going to contend this year, but they've moved quickly to rid themselves of the remnants of the last year's wasted 1st round picks and free agent signings. Getting rid of Brown, Warren, Garcia, Green (most likely) and Ekuban is most certainly addition by subtraction in terms of the long-term health of the franchise. I'm stunned that Shanahan is willing to bring on 3/4ths of the Browns DL from a year ago, did he not see the same ineptitude we all did?Sounds like it's almost a done deal. The Browns keep trucking through this offseason.
i think this list could be divided into two groups... upper echelon talents such as terrell davis & clinton portis, who if not for injury & being traded... would have been entrenched & the incumbent RB for longer. gary, anderson, griffin & arguably droughns are/were lesser talents that not surprisingly had their chance for about a season, than faded... i willing to reserve judgement on droughns, we'll see if he can beat out suggs in CLE, but he didn't set the world on fire in DET.Precisely. I had the #5 pick in a rookie draft last year. I figured that pick would buy Julius Jones or Tatum Bell. The idea of selecting Bell scared the daylights out of me and motivated me to trade up to #1. (Where I took Kevin Jones.)It isn't that I dislike Bell. I'm quite aware that the Broncos RB will always put up numbers, but they tend to have a short shelf life. Be it Olandis Gary, Mike Anderson, Clinton Portis, Quintin Griffin, Tatum Bell or 05 Denver rookie RB. Your grasp on the Denver RB situation is never a firm one.owners of denver starting RBs should never feel comfortable. actually i think this is a net loss for bell because it makes it that much more likely that shanny drafts an RB this year. if they keep droughns, he might feel comfortable enough to pass on the RBs, but without droughns, this RB class will be too tempting for shanny to not get one of "his guys"Maybe.. but I fully expect Skeletor to draft yet another back around round 3-4-5 just to keep things interesting for all of us fantasy footballers.adding...Bell owner =Every Suggs owner =
Droughns owner =
In a dynasty league I'm afraid this would scare me into perpetual "Sell high" mode every time I held the Denver RB and he had a good game. I just don't know if its worth the headache.
It means they won't be drafting an RB in round 1, which was a REMOTE possiblity but nonetheless can now be crossed off the list.Colin
