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Chaser1439

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This guy has too much talent to be ranked 54th in Dynasty leagues. Does anyone see the potential for a breakout season?

Arizona - Joe Thomas, OT - Wisconsin

Sometimes, life throws you a bone - Part II. Releasing the under-achieving Leonard Davis leaves them with no choice but to draft Thomas. Of course NOT releasing him would have led to the SAME choice, but whatever. For the 5th season in a row, Arizona is "that close". But with the addition of Thomas, it they're closer than they've ever been.

Please give your .02!!!

 
Chaser1439 said:
This guy has too much talent to be ranked 54th in Dynasty leagues. Does anyone see the potential for a breakout season?Arizona - Joe Thomas, OT - WisconsinSometimes, life throws you a bone - Part II. Releasing the under-achieving Leonard Davis leaves them with no choice but to draft Thomas. Of course NOT releasing him would have led to the SAME choice, but whatever. For the 5th season in a row, Arizona is "that close". But with the addition of Thomas, it they're closer than they've ever been.Please give your .02!!!
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If Thomas is there, I think the Cardinals are very likely to take him. I don't think he's very likely to be there, though.
 
:blackdot: and Edge was the final missing piece last season.

That O-Line was terrible for him and he has a lot of carries. I'm not too excited about his future prospects.

 
Chase Stuart said:
Chaser1439 said:
This guy has too much talent to be ranked 54th in Dynasty leagues. Does anyone see the potential for a breakout season?Arizona - Joe Thomas, OT - WisconsinSometimes, life throws you a bone - Part II. Releasing the under-achieving Leonard Davis leaves them with no choice but to draft Thomas. Of course NOT releasing him would have led to the SAME choice, but whatever. For the 5th season in a row, Arizona is "that close". But with the addition of Thomas, it they're closer than they've ever been.Please give your .02!!!
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If Thomas is there, I think the Cardinals are very likely to take him. I don't think he's very likely to be there, though.
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One thing he really has going for him, that I think some are overlooking, is that he's looking to be one of only a handful (as of right now) of RBs that should be the unquestioned starter next year. Minus the occasional goaline steal from Shipp, it doesn't look like he'll fit into a RBBC situation much. That alone has some serious value. Hell, it can only get better from last year, right??? A new coach should help the situation as well. I wouldn't really say "sleeper of the year", but he certainly could get right back up to respectable numbers.

 
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LionsFan78 said:
One thing he really has going for him, that I think some are overlooking, is that he's looking to be one of only a handful (as of right now) of RBs that should be the unquestioned starter next year. Minus the occasional goaline steal from Shipp, it doesn't look like he'll fit into a RBBC situation much. That alone has some serious value. Hell, it can only get better from last year, right??? A new coach should help the situation as well. I wouldn't really say "sleeper of the year", but he certainly could get right back up to respectable numbers.
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That is until they draft AP.
 
Chaser1439 said:
This guy has too much talent to be ranked 54th in Dynasty leagues. Does anyone see the potential for a breakout season?Arizona - Joe Thomas, OT - WisconsinSometimes, life throws you a bone - Part II. Releasing the under-achieving Leonard Davis leaves them with no choice but to draft Thomas. Of course NOT releasing him would have led to the SAME choice, but whatever. For the 5th season in a row, Arizona is "that close". But with the addition of Thomas, it they're closer than they've ever been.Please give your .02!!!
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OK...let's assume they get lucky and actually take Joe Thomas...what about the rest of that line??????Edge should see some improvement as there is no place for that line to go but up...but he's getting a little wear on him now and I really can't see him being more then a RB2 anymore.
 
He went there because he signed a big contract, sunny weather and because of Denny Green. No more Denny. It will be interesting to see how he plays the next few years. IMO he'll grind out his 1000+ yard a season and get in the endzone a half dozen times but he'll be the guy who walks away early due to being board or something. Nothing sexy but just enough to keep you hooked.

 
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I want no part of Edge in 2007.

The guy ranked right up there with Kevan Barlow in terms of "unquestioned starting RBs" stinking up the joint in recent history. Some people look at his poor output last season as potential for increased production this season, but personally, I view Edge as a worn out player going to die in the barren desert. Congratulations Edge on cashing in on that final payday, good luck in the commentators booth.

It seems like everyone already has Edge within their top20 RB rankings this year based on name value alone anyways. How can Edge be a sleeper in the 3rd or even 2nd round in a redraft? Top5, hell top10 production seems impossible to me. It's much more likely that Edge is the guy who can single-handedly bust your team with an early pick.

What has changed so much in Zona that Edge is going to suddenly succeed anyways? Terrance Holt is the piece that puts them over the top? Maybe it's the change at head coach? Or maybe their high pick in the draft? Hell, even if Joe Thomas does fall, what guarantees are there that this guy is the next Pace as opposed to the next Gallery? Arizona is one place I would not want to be drafted to if I'm Joe Thomas.

"Unquestioned starter" means nothing when its 3 yards and a cloud of dust, down 14 points in the 3rd quarter.

 
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the edge and lamont jordan ruined my fantacy season last year, i think its a shame what happened to the edge last year in arizona , he looked totally lost and miserable. good luck to you edge owners.....

 
James started to look pretty good towards the end of last season. Leinart's QB rating rose all season to the point he averaged an 85 point QB rating in the 4 games he played in December. James had three 100 yard games in that span (his only 3 of the season). James saw his average rise to 4.2 ypc, a huge increase over the 2.4 he averaged in October. The competition wasn't great, but the offense was still showing real signs of coming together. He won't be top 5, but with so many owners losing faith in him, he could be a nice pickup this season.

 
Chaser1439 said:
This guy has too much talent to be ranked 54th in Dynasty leagues. Does anyone see the potential for a breakout season?Arizona - Joe Thomas, OT - WisconsinSometimes, life throws you a bone - Part II. Releasing the under-achieving Leonard Davis leaves them with no choice but to draft Thomas. Of course NOT releasing him would have led to the SAME choice, but whatever. For the 5th season in a row, Arizona is "that close". But with the addition of Thomas, it they're closer than they've ever been.Please give your .02!!!
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Edge is my keeper/franchise player going into 07 over Ronnie Brown as of now, simply because I think Whisenhunt has a proven track record at making RBs productive (Willie Parker & bettis' TDs come to mind) and he is the same guy that was a first round pick like the last 5 years in a row. He's been in the league awhile, but he started at age 20, and now he's 29. He's had 4 straight years of 310+ carries. You could read that as he's due to breakdown, but I'll take my chances and say he's reliable and going to get the ball in an improved Arizona offense that plays the Rams terrible runD and the 49ers twice. Oh and the Cards play in a dome.
 
LionsFan78 said:
One thing he really has going for him, that I think some are overlooking, is that he's looking to be one of only a handful (as of right now) of RBs that should be the unquestioned starter next year. Minus the occasional goaline steal from Shipp, it doesn't look like he'll fit into a RBBC situation much. That alone has some serious value. Hell, it can only get better from last year, right??? A new coach should help the situation as well. I wouldn't really say "sleeper of the year", but he certainly could get right back up to respectable numbers.
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Week #13, Edge rushed for 115 yards on 26 carries; Shipp scored 3 touchdowns.
 
Edge was pretty damn solid down the stretch last season. He was awful the first 7 games or so. He's a little risky, without a ton of upside, but I think more indicators point to us seeing the Edge of the 2nd half of the season moreso than the first half Edge.

 
I dont care where Im drafting in my upcoming dynasty draft Edge and SA will make it by me in rd 1 and rd 2.

 
benbadman said:
Chaser1439 said:
This guy has too much talent to be ranked 54th in Dynasty leagues. Does anyone see the potential for a breakout season?Arizona - Joe Thomas, OT - WisconsinSometimes, life throws you a bone - Part II. Releasing the under-achieving Leonard Davis leaves them with no choice but to draft Thomas. Of course NOT releasing him would have led to the SAME choice, but whatever. For the 5th season in a row, Arizona is "that close". But with the addition of Thomas, it they're closer than they've ever been.Please give your .02!!!
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Edge is my keeper/franchise player going into 07 over Ronnie Brown as of now, simply because I think Whisenhunt has a proven track record at making RBs productive (Willie Parker & bettis' TDs come to mind) and he is the same guy that was a first round pick like the last 5 years in a row. He's been in the league awhile, but he started at age 20, and now he's 29. He's had 4 straight years of 310+ carries. You could read that as he's due to breakdown, but I'll take my chances and say he's reliable and going to get the ball in an improved Arizona offense that plays the Rams terrible runD and the 49ers twice. Oh and the Cards play in a dome.
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Citing the carries, wear and tear, age, and a major knee injury.. I think I'll take my chances with a young guy in a keeper league. Unless you've got an early pick to lock up a Adrian Peterson type prospect and consider this decision to only have a 1 year horizon.
 
Mister CIA said:
LionsFan78 said:
One thing he really has going for him, that I think some are overlooking, is that he's looking to be one of only a handful (as of right now) of RBs that should be the unquestioned starter next year. Minus the occasional goaline steal from Shipp, it doesn't look like he'll fit into a RBBC situation much. That alone has some serious value. Hell, it can only get better from last year, right??? A new coach should help the situation as well. I wouldn't really say "sleeper of the year", but he certainly could get right back up to respectable numbers.
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Week #13, Edge rushed for 115 yards on 26 carries; Shipp scored 3 touchdowns.
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did you watch that game? On those drives where Shipp got the goal line TD.. Edge had about 6-8 carries each drive, they were spelling him, at an inopportune time for Edge owners, but it wasn't a matter of taking him out for goal line. He actually had a carry inside the 5 on one of those drives, then they took him out cause he had run the ball like the last 5 plays.
 
benbadman said:
Mister CIA said:
LionsFan78 said:
One thing he really has going for him, that I think some are overlooking, is that he's looking to be one of only a handful (as of right now) of RBs that should be the unquestioned starter next year. Minus the occasional goaline steal from Shipp, it doesn't look like he'll fit into a RBBC situation much. That alone has some serious value. Hell, it can only get better from last year, right??? A new coach should help the situation as well. I wouldn't really say "sleeper of the year", but he certainly could get right back up to respectable numbers.
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Week #13, Edge rushed for 115 yards on 26 carries; Shipp scored 3 touchdowns.
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did you watch that game? On those drives where Shipp got the goal line TD.. Edge had about 6-8 carries each drive, they were spelling him, at an inopportune time for Edge owners, but it wasn't a matter of taking him out for goal line. He actually had a carry inside the 5 on one of those drives, then they took him out cause he had run the ball like the last 5 plays.
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No, I did not watch "that" game, but I do wonder, was that just dumb luck that Edge was not carrying at the goal line, as you described it?
 
the LOSS of Leonard Davis (a top 10 run-blocker regardless of his reputation) does NOT help James this year even if Grimm works some Harry Potter-like magic to that line...

 
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Meh. He'll be top 15, just because of opportunity, but he won't be higher than 11th.

He's a solid mid-third rounder for value if he gets there, but the upside isn't that high. If you go stud RB/stud WR/Edge, you won't be unhappy. But, expecting anything higher than that, you're reaching.

 
Keys Myaths said:
:unsure:Meh. He'll be top 15, just because of opportunity, but he won't be higher than 11th.He's a solid mid-third rounder for value if he gets there, but the upside isn't that high. If you go stud RB/stud WR/Edge, you won't be unhappy. But, expecting anything higher than that, you're reaching.
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You're saying a top 15 RB isn't worth a second round pick?
 
Lots of replies have re-enforced the topic description quite nicely.

Though they didn't mean to do it. Well done! :shrug:

 
Chase Stuart said:
Keys Myaths said:
:)Meh. He'll be top 15, just because of opportunity, but he won't be higher than 11th.He's a solid mid-third rounder for value if he gets there, but the upside isn't that high. If you go stud RB/stud WR/Edge, you won't be unhappy. But, expecting anything higher than that, you're reaching.
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You're saying a top 15 RB isn't worth a second round pick?
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A late second-round pick, sure. But, he's not very valuable there...he's just a very average pick with no upside.
 
As others have said, I think Edge will make a great RB2 due to the amount of work he'll get, plus all the goal line love. But expecting RB1 production may be a setup for disappointment.

I think he'll definitely improve from last year (how could he not?), but the amount of tread on his tires causes me some concern. And while Leinart will likely improve along with the two world-class WRs, it's still not Indy.

 
Iron_Far said:
the LOSS of Leonard Davis (a top 10 run-blocker regardless of his reputation) does NOT help James this year even if Grimm works some Harry Potter-like magic to that line...
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I don't see how you can say that anyone on that line is top 10 at anything other than shoveling food into their pie holes....
 
EJ has been exposed as a good-not-great back IMO. He put up some big #s w/the Colts, but basically so what...Addai put up 1400/8 as a rookie and didn't even start a single game while splitting w/Rhodes - who btw put up 1300/9 as a rook in 2001 and only started 10.

He was versatile (could block etc) but he was never really great as far as pure running, and not having Manning and co. to open things up along with a top OL has exposed that. He was a "smart" runner (stayed low etc) but had about as much breakaway threat running as Manning.

I predict retirement after this year, next year at most, because as stated he will get "bored" because he knows they aren't winning a SB any time soon.

Having said all that though, he could put up decent #s if (big if) they can remake the OL to something at least resembling respectability.

 
BigRed said:
EJ has been exposed as a good-not-great back IMO. He put up some big #s w/the Colts, but basically so what...Addai put up 1400/8 as a rookie and didn't even start a single game while splitting w/Rhodes - who btw put up 1300/9 as a rook in 2001 and only started 10. He was versatile (could block etc) but he was never really great as far as pure running, and not having Manning and co. to open things up along with a top OL has exposed that. He was a "smart" runner (stayed low etc) but had about as much breakaway threat running as Manning.I predict retirement after this year, next year at most, because as stated he will get "bored" because he knows they aren't winning a SB any time soon.Having said all that though, he could put up decent #s if (big if) they can remake the OL to something at least resembling respectability.
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I don't think Edge is motivated by championships. If he was he would've stayed in Indy. I think he likes the glory. Being a pro football player is glory in and of itself. He will stick around for a year or two longer. Particularly if the new coaching staff can do something with the team, even more so if they can do something with that line. While that line sucked hard last year. I expect that line to be better this year just in terms of the new coaching staff. They have a pretty impressive O-Line coach there now. I expect a turn around for Edge this year. Particularly as the year goes on. I also don't see him pulling himself at the goal line because he's getting the snot kicked out of him on every carry. How many times was he hit at or behind the LOS last year due to poor blocking? I think that was the main reason he was giving Shipp the GL stuff at the end of the year. I don't think that will be the case this year....
 
Ducegonads said:
He went there because he signed a big contract, sunny weather and because of Denny Green. No more Denny. It will be interesting to see how he plays the next few years. IMO he'll grind out his 1000+ yard a season and get in the endzone a half dozen times but he'll be the guy who walks away early due to being board or something. Nothing sexy but just enough to keep you hooked.
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He went there the same reason thousands of old people go to Arizona every year, to retire.
 
North said:
Ducegonads said:
He went there because he signed a big contract, sunny weather and because of Denny Green. No more Denny. It will be interesting to see how he plays the next few years. IMO he'll grind out his 1000+ yard a season and get in the endzone a half dozen times but he'll be the guy who walks away early due to being board or something. Nothing sexy but just enough to keep you hooked.
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He went there the same reason thousands of old people go to Arizona every year, to retire.
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:( :(
 
North said:
Ducegonads said:
He went there because he signed a big contract, sunny weather and because of Denny Green. No more Denny. It will be interesting to see how he plays the next few years. IMO he'll grind out his 1000+ yard a season and get in the endzone a half dozen times but he'll be the guy who walks away early due to being board or something. Nothing sexy but just enough to keep you hooked.
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He went there the same reason thousands of old people go to Arizona every year, to retire.
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:(
 
North said:
Ducegonads said:
He went there because he signed a big contract, sunny weather and because of Denny Green. No more Denny. It will be interesting to see how he plays the next few years. IMO he'll grind out his 1000+ yard a season and get in the endzone a half dozen times but he'll be the guy who walks away early due to being board or something. Nothing sexy but just enough to keep you hooked.
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He went there the same reason thousands of old people go to Arizona every year, to retire.
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Or the nightlife.:richieanderson:
 
zamboni said:
North said:
Ducegonads said:
He went there because he signed a big contract, sunny weather and because of Denny Green. No more Denny. It will be interesting to see how he plays the next few years. IMO he'll grind out his 1000+ yard a season and get in the endzone a half dozen times but he'll be the guy who walks away early due to being board or something. Nothing sexy but just enough to keep you hooked.
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He went there the same reason thousands of old people go to Arizona every year, to retire.
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Or the nightlife.:richieanderson: Hey baby, Daddy wants some sugar!
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I don't think his overall rank is that relevant since it's very league specific. Looking at just the RB's, how much higher should he be?

1 LaDainian Tomlinson, SD 1 1.02 Larry Johnson, KC 2 2.03 Steven Jackson, STL 3 3.04 Brian Westbrook, PHI 4 4.05 Reggie Bush, NO 5 5.06 Frank Gore, SF 6 6.07 Clinton Portis, WAS 7 7.08 Rudi Johnson, CIN 8 8.09 Willie Parker, PIT 9 9.010 Shaun Alexander, SEA 10 10.011 Laurence Maroney, NE 11 11.012 Ronnie Brown, MIA 12 12.013 Maurice Jones-Drew, JAX 13 13.014 Willis McGahee, BUF 14 14.015 DeAngelo Williams, CAR 15 15.016 Deuce McAllister, NO 16 16.017 Cadillac Williams, TB 17 17.018 Joseph Addai, IND 18 18.019 Cedric Benson, CHI 19 19.020 Marion Barber III, DAL 20 20.021 Kevin Jones, DET 21 21.022 Michael Turner, SD 22 22.023 Chester Taylor, MIN 23 23.024 Travis Henry, TEN 24 24.025 Thomas Jones, CHI 25 25.026 Edgerrin James, ARI 26 26.0
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cstu said:
I don't think his overall rank is that relevant since it's very league specific. Looking at just the RB's, how much higher should he be?

1 LaDainian Tomlinson, SD 1 1.02 Larry Johnson, KC 2 2.03 Steven Jackson, STL 3 3.04 Brian Westbrook, PHI 4 4.05 Reggie Bush, NO 5 5.06 Frank Gore, SF 6 6.07 Clinton Portis, WAS 7 7.08 Rudi Johnson, CIN 8 8.09 Willie Parker, PIT 9 9.010 Shaun Alexander, SEA 10 10.011 Laurence Maroney, NE 11 11.012 Ronnie Brown, MIA 12 12.013 Maurice Jones-Drew, JAX 13 13.014 Willis McGahee, BUF 14 14.015 DeAngelo Williams, CAR 15 15.016 Deuce McAllister, NO 16 16.017 Cadillac Williams, TB 17 17.018 Joseph Addai, IND 18 18.019 Cedric Benson, CHI 19 19.020 Marion Barber III, DAL 20 20.021 Kevin Jones, DET 21 21.022 Michael Turner, SD 22 22.023 Chester Taylor, MIN 23 23.024 Travis Henry, TEN 24 24.025 Thomas Jones, CHI 25 25.026 Edgerrin James, ARI 26 26.0
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In a standard scoring league James finished 21st last year. But only 4 RB's had more carries than he did last year. In a climate where the 2 RB system is becoming more and more prevalent this bodes well for a rebound year should he get some improvement on the O-line. I think it's a given that he will get 300+ carries this year plus his 40 or so receptions that he seems to get every year (38 last year, 40+ the year before that and 50+ the year before that)What I don't get is why the Cardinals didn't throw at least 3 screens a game last year. Use the passing game to keep the pass rush honest. Then again that may be why Denny Green is proud to be fishing across america right now.
 
Arizona might be the worse place to count on a fantasy RB. While James did get enough attempts, they simply have not been committed to running the ball. Here is how they've ranked rushing yards:

2006: 30

2005: 32

2004: 22

2003: 29

2002: 15

2001: 27

2000: 27

1999: 29

1998: 21

1997: 30

1996: 25

1995: 29

1994: 17

1993: 11

1992: 26

1991: 26

1990: 12

With the exception of the early 90's they've been very bad. Since 1993, 1 top 15 ranking. I haven't seen anything that suggests it will change.

 
I didn't see any of the Arizona games last season, but will take the consensus that he looked better in the 2nd half.

With a more seasoned Leinart and a couple of good WRs, how can he not have a good year? Throw in that he is the main guy. Certainly a nice #2 to one of the more "no brainer" RBs. That seems to be a late 2nd, early 3rd pick. I don't see him performing less than that, and I see some potential to break into that top 12-15 range with a few breaks.

 
North said:
Ducegonads said:
He went there because he signed a big contract, sunny weather and because of Denny Green. No more Denny. It will be interesting to see how he plays the next few years. IMO he'll grind out his 1000+ yard a season and get in the endzone a half dozen times but he'll be the guy who walks away early due to being board or something. Nothing sexy but just enough to keep you hooked.
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He went there the same reason thousands of old people go to Arizona every year, to retire.
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That was a good one. The move to the Cards was just a career ender. Too bad too. Just haven't see the bust since the injury.
 
Chaz said:
I didn't see any of the Arizona games last season, but will take the consensus that he looked better in the 2nd half.With a more seasoned Leinart and a couple of good WRs, how can he not have a good year? Throw in that he is the main guy. Certainly a nice #2 to one of the more "no brainer" RBs. That seems to be a late 2nd, early 3rd pick. I don't see him performing less than that, and I see some potential to break into that top 12-15 range with a few breaks.
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He didn't look much better in the 2nd half. Last 5 games, his best of the year, he had a 4.1 YPC and 3 TD's. Oh and 18 yards receiving. Nothing to get excited about and I wouldn't expect much better. BTW-their passing game was already solid so it won't get much better overall though I agree Leinart will continue to improve and that will help some. But years of rushing futility isn't suddenly going to disappear.Late 2nd would be ok for him (I wouldn't go any higher) but he will likely be gone in many leagues by then.Another way to look at this, wouldn't you rather see Edge on someone else's team rather than yours? I would. I wouldn't want to have to reply on this guy for any RB production. Esp. PPR leagues.
 
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