Oh, I wasn't disagreeing with you, just providing my two cents. As some random poster keeps telling me, I'm always wrong; so maybe this means Zeke will have everything overturned tomorrow.
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RB Ezekiel Elliott, LAC (3 Viewers)
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WiDDoW_MaKeR
Footballguy
Never in the history of the NFL has a team paid a player to be a healthy scratch all year long to "keep him fresh". That's silly.
ATB
Footballguy
To be fair, has there been another instance of a team knowing their star player is going to be suspended at some point in the year? I can't think of another situation where a team has the benefit of knowing they need a healthy backup ready to take the reigns for 6 games.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I know it's not a great example considering how it turned out but the Cards CUT Chris Johnson and when DJ got hurt they just resigned him and elevated him to RB1. When that failed they just traded for AP and made him the guy. None of the active backups was ever a real handcuff.
Football Jones
Footballguy
I thought this was put to bed when Garrett came out before week 1 & said Morris had essentially beaten out McFadden. He also said something about McFadden taking the demotion well.
Don't have the link handy, but it was in at least one thread here. Jerry also said Morris will get the most carries, but McFadden & Smith will be involved, Obviously, take that with a grain of salt.
All that said, while my money is on Mo, & he'll at least get the formal start, it'll come down to who performs better.
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WiDDoW_MaKeR
Footballguy
It doesn't matter. We always have starters and backups. So, what makes the difference? The 13 carries that Morris received over the first 7 games was going to wear McFadden out? They didn't think his body could stay fresh after 13 carries in 8 weeks, but now they are going to let him carry the load? Let's be realistic. Teams put their best players on the field every week.They look to maximize every play. If they thought that they could get 13 better plays from McFadden than they could from Morris, then McFadden would have been active on game day and Morris would have been a healthy scratch. It would have served McFadden much more to get him some game action, and more reps. No player, especially 30 year old RBs benefit from not seeing game action for such a long period of time. McFadden is simply being kept around for depth.
Let alone the fact that the OC had come out in Sept. admitting that they felt Morris had won the starting job over McFadden during practice and the preseason, and were preparing to start him week 1, if Zeke wasn't available.
All of this is just an illusion to surprise people with McFadden? C'mon guys... I understand if you weren't able to get Morris off the WW, but this is absurd. lol
ATB
Footballguy
I'm not arguing that point. I think Morris is the handcuff and DMC is his backup, but that's not what I'm asking. I'm saying I cannot think of a comparable scenario in which a team knows a suspension is coming and that they will have to rely on their backup to take over for their star bellcow back.
I keep thinking of the Cardinals this year and how, because they didn't know they were going to lose DJ, they were rostering backups that they were not prepared to trust as starters. They ultimately had to pluck CJ2K off his couch and then trade for AP.
Now, again, I'm not arguing this means DMC is the backup. I'm just pointing out that there's really no comparison to this scenario.
RoosterScott
Footballguy
I have a hunch that Rod Smith steals the show. Mo is strictly a runner. That's going to limit the offense and it'll be pretty black and white in terms of what the Cowboy's offense will do when he's on the field. Rod Smith is the back that will fit into this offense a lot like Elliott. He's a better blocker and receiver than Mo. My money is on Rod Smith to take over the reigns to the running game while Zeke is out. It may not happen in week 9 but by week 11 I think he'll get his shot.
ATB
Footballguy
WiDDoW_MaKeR
Footballguy
You're right... that's a terrible example. lol They cut Chris Johnson, so they clearly weren't keeping him fresh... nor were they worried about him being taken by another team. I think the Cards were simply blindsided by the injury to Johnson. Also, they resigned Johnson because he was familiar with the system. Williams (the active backup) actually did start the game, he just played terribly and ended up giving way to Johnson... who was also terrible... leading to a trade for ADP.
It should be evident to anyone with a brain that I have no doubt that he is guilty. So to answer a question where I have to pretend he is totally innocent is pointless.
Here's a question for you,. what does Goodell benefit by suspending one of the league's biggest stars/attractions for 6 games?
ATB
Footballguy
I also made this reference above. It's the closest comparison we have because, again, this has never happened before as far as any of us have been able to recall.
The Cards did not have the foresight to know that they would lose DJ for most of the year, so they didn't plan ahead to keep a backup around that they could trust to be their starter.
The Cowboys, however, have had the benefit of knowing they will lose Zeke for at least 6 games this year. One could argue that they have planned ahead.
WiDDoW_MaKeR
Footballguy
I'm sure that they have planned ahead. Which is why Morris, McFadden, and Smith were all kept on the roster. As the OC said, Morris won the job over McFadden. I'm sure that McFadden is still on the team because of Zeke's situation. That much makes perfect sense. Zeke is the lead back, Morris is the #2 RB. Smith is active because of his contributions to special teams. McFadden is the odd man out right now. However, with Zeke gone, McFadden will be active... only to provide depth.
This doesn't mean that Morris will have a leash like Zeke. If he doesn't produce, I don't think that it would take too much for them to turn to DMAC. However, Morris gets the first crack, and I am pretty confident that he will produce.
Football Jones
Footballguy
ATB
Footballguy
You're ignoring the possibility that the mere knowing of the looming suspension is what lead the Cowboys to keep their true backup as an inactive, despite the feeling amongst many fans that this has never happened before (because a team has never known they would lose their lead RB at some point).
And again, I'm not saying this is what I believe. I have Zeke in one league and have added and dropped both AlMo and DMC at various points and I'm aiming to pickup AlMo tomorrow as I see him as the "safest" bet.
But I can also acknowledge that it's entirely possible that DMC is their preferred replacement for Zeke and that AlMo is their preferred backup regardless of who starts.
WiDDoW_MaKeR
Footballguy
nittanylion
Footballguy
Something that most of the 20-something's/youth I come in contact with these days just don't seem to comprehend: it's just the way life works, that it's always in one's best interest to strive to be on your best behavior/put your best foot forward, because when situations arise that call your integrity into question, justified or not, and by people who don't know you personally, it's your track record that will determine whether or not you get the benefit of the doubt. Life's not fair, and stuff happens to everybody. Just more often to folks who don't fly straight.
Ezekiel Elliot, regardless of what he did/didn't do in this particular situation, is no straight arrow angel, and if you want to dig into his personal history, there's plenty out there to read. He's far from the worst, not even close, but he's cerainly no choirboy. Under the personal conduct policy of the CBA, agreed upon by labor/employer, the Commish has the authority to discipline players based on circumstance. It matters more that he GOT INTO the situation more that what he actually did/didn't do...and because he isn't an angel, he's not getting the benefit of the doubt, and is being made an example of, so that other miscreants might learn.
May not happen in court, but happens in the workplace world all the time. The professional world. These guys make it very clear they play professional football. Oh you do, do you? Well, then. Reap what you sow. Made your bed, now lay in it. Guilt by association. It makes you look bad, it makes us look bad, someone has to take the fall and it's gonna be you. Live and learn.
Benefit of the doubt: If you make your employer look bad, and you aren't a shining example that an excuse can be made for it a history to fall back on...you ain't getting it. Live on!
Ezekiel Elliot, regardless of what he did/didn't do in this particular situation, is no straight arrow angel, and if you want to dig into his personal history, there's plenty out there to read. He's far from the worst, not even close, but he's cerainly no choirboy. Under the personal conduct policy of the CBA, agreed upon by labor/employer, the Commish has the authority to discipline players based on circumstance. It matters more that he GOT INTO the situation more that what he actually did/didn't do...and because he isn't an angel, he's not getting the benefit of the doubt, and is being made an example of, so that other miscreants might learn.
May not happen in court, but happens in the workplace world all the time. The professional world. These guys make it very clear they play professional football. Oh you do, do you? Well, then. Reap what you sow. Made your bed, now lay in it. Guilt by association. It makes you look bad, it makes us look bad, someone has to take the fall and it's gonna be you. Live and learn.
Benefit of the doubt: If you make your employer look bad, and you aren't a shining example that an excuse can be made for it a history to fall back on...you ain't getting it. Live on!
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
NFLPA files an emergency motion for stay pending appeal
Asking for response by 7pm tomorrow
Asking for response by 7pm tomorrow
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unckeyherb
Footballguy
Oh boy
OU#1
Footballguy
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
The Frankman
Footballguy
Last gasp appeal is a procedural move, should get shot down.
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The General
Footballguy
Perhaps that will be why it is rejected. People can request whatever they want when they have money to pay for lawyers.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Why not accept it? This case has been too boring and predictable at this point. I would hate to see it wrap up so quickly.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Rotoworld seems to think there are 2 more options:
1 emergency injunction from the judge that dissolved the TRO last night (no clue why she would do that after dissolving it last night but the law is confusing so who knows)
2. If that fails, get an emergency injunction from the 2nd district court
The Frankman
Footballguy
OH MY GOD
DROWNING IN MOTIONS INJUNCTION JUNCTION WHAT'S YOUR FUNCTION???
Exactly. We need to present this to the 13th judge because the 12th didn't make a decision we like. It's embarrassing. There are actual life and death cases waiting to be heard and this stuff is getting pushed through as 'emergency'.
Excuse me Mrs Sutcliff. I know you've been waiting on the PFA ruling because you fear your ex may murder you and the children, but there's an NFL running back that may miss a game Sunday if we don't leapfrog his case over yours.
It's really important because he makes millions and we wouldn't want it to dent his pocket book at all
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
The General
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
It's actually a big deal. This is labor law and contract enforcement for a huge company. This kind of stuff is a major part of the court system.
The General
Footballguy
What life and death cases are the courts bypassing to look at this Zeke crap?
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I wonder if in the 2nd appeal, the new judge would weigh the fact that the judge that dissolved the TRO is married a partner in the law firm that represents the NFL. Some think she should have recused herself and even promised to recuse herself if a case came forward involving her husband's firm.
So it's probably just getting in the way of the guy making $13 an hour or the guy that is looking for compensation after hurting himself at work?
Your certainty around this situation is wholly out of proportion to the vague and conflicting info available.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
If you look at the notable historic cases that came through this system, it's not life or death stuff but mostly financial things since they see over the NY financial district. Martha Stewart for example.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
It's important to the guy who stands to lose a pile of money even if it isn't to you
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I am not a lawyer so maybe lawyers can answer this, but I don't think many guys making $13 an hour is getting their case up to this level of the court system.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
The General
Footballguy
But people in here are saying they are skipping over life and death issues.
Everyone’s a critic until they are the ones getting screwed over
The General
Footballguy
In my limited law knowledge consisting of “Law and Order” viewings (pretty much all seasons 1-5) this is how it works.
Why do you suppose it takes a long time for most cases to hit the courts? I'm sure you're intelligent enough to figure that out. It's because of the backlog. People wait months and months to be heard in front of a judge. Now I understand you may have some interest in this, Cowboys fan. But if you take a step back and think about how silly this is that lawyers are running around looking for emergency hearings, you can join the rest of the sane people.
