Thanks. I’m still not sure what this means, though. With all the people following this (Dash, Wallace, Brush, etc) you would think there’d be some report of the 2nd circuit meeting or which 3 judges are considering the briefs, etc. Most of the news that broke out of NY this last week was later in the day, though, so maybe that’s forthcoming?
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RB Ezekiel Elliott, LAC (6 Viewers)
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WheelsUp
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They are closed for business to the public, so the docket wont be updated. All this discussion is behind the scenes stuff done through clerks and lawyers. Judges do not need to hear oral arguments to rule, it is at their discretion in Emergency requests.
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Gottabesweet
Footballguy
Thought of that, but at this point I just want as many games as possible. No guarantee's to get to the semi's or finals.
JIMGET
Footballguy
An uninformed opinion...deciding without any oral arguments sounds very bad for the NFLPA/Zeke base upon the earlier comments that the stay request "wasn't even close".
WheelsUp
Footballguy
Just a reminder, judges do what they want!
Daniel Wallach @WALLACHLEGAL 5m5 minutes ago
BREAKING: Second Circuit grants Zeke Elliott's motion for a brief administrative stay. He will play Sunday.
Daniel Wallach @WALLACHLEGAL 44s44 seconds ago
CA2 just "certified" its order. Bottom line: Zeke plays Sunday & 3-judge panel will decide motion on expedited basis
Daniel Wallach @WALLACHLEGAL 5m5 minutes ago
BREAKING: Second Circuit grants Zeke Elliott's motion for a brief administrative stay. He will play Sunday.
Daniel Wallach @WALLACHLEGAL 44s44 seconds ago
CA2 just "certified" its order. Bottom line: Zeke plays Sunday & 3-judge panel will decide motion on expedited basis
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oddsbodkins
Footballguy
This is so dumb
Wrigley
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4th&inches
Footballguy
Ian Rapoport just tweeted:
Do they? One judge decides one thing and three days later, another judge decides just the opposite. Seems that this part of the legal system is just seeing who can get paperwork finished in time to find a judge that agrees with them. Between the Brady back and forth and this nonsense, it's making a mockery of our judicial system.
The Frankman
Footballguy
This is just embarrassing right now. Why did Brady quit and Zeke gonna go to every court in the land LOL.
It's funny because he's going to be suspended AT SOME POINT, he keeps putting it off another week... like death.
It's funny because he's going to be suspended AT SOME POINT, he keeps putting it off another week... like death.
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The General
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Hankmoody
Footballguy
It's how it should work. While there's doubt about what the outcome might be, you can't let damage happen. It's like when there's a bulldozer on your front lawn but you are fighting the demolition order in court. Once they roll through your living room it's too late for the court to rule in your favor. That's what "irreparable harm" means. Once Zeke misses a game there's no getting it back. They are going to make sure every T is crossed and I is dotted before letting it go through. That's the protection you'd want if you were in jeopardy, and it's the protection you'd want for your children if they were. It's how our justice system works and while it's not always perfect, sometimes it gets it right. This is one of those times.
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The General
Footballguy
The thing I have learned: Everyone is always wrong when it comes to Zeke's legal maneuvers.
The General
Footballguy
Hearing this means he plays all year from “experts”.
That guarantees the courts overturn his next week.
That guarantees the courts overturn his next week.
Wrigley
Footballguy
Moonshine
Footballguy
Jesus, this is so dumb. Zeke is going to appeal himself right out of the playoffs (real playoffs, not fantasy).
I understand fighting this from an economic perspective. Missed games means missed paychecks and missed incentives. That's something you generally want to avoid. But the suspension is still on when playoffs roll around, he's bound to cost himself more money than if he took this suspension at any other point during the year.
I understand if he believes he's innocence and this suspension has been levied unfairly, he should fight it, but at this point that's not even what he's fighting. This whole thing is so idiotic.
At least I get to trot him out there for one, maybe two more weeks, and then fully drop his ### when this thing comes back into effect.
I understand fighting this from an economic perspective. Missed games means missed paychecks and missed incentives. That's something you generally want to avoid. But the suspension is still on when playoffs roll around, he's bound to cost himself more money than if he took this suspension at any other point during the year.
I understand if he believes he's innocence and this suspension has been levied unfairly, he should fight it, but at this point that's not even what he's fighting. This whole thing is so idiotic.
At least I get to trot him out there for one, maybe two more weeks, and then fully drop his ### when this thing comes back into effect.
Wrigley
Footballguy
The Frankman
Footballguy
All it means is he plays Week 9. Who said this was all year?The General said:
Jed
Footballguy
WheelsUp
Footballguy
For those wondering about the merits...the judges had them submit briefs, this has a lot to do with the merits. Otherwise they would not have undermined a judges ruling, the statement about the merits is typical regarding and admin stay, kinda of a protection of sorts for peopel thinking a decision has been made. I compare it to the "dont read too much into my questions as siding with one way" type lines. They say it, but we know its foll of bs.
The General
Footballguy
Moonshine
Footballguy
If this process has proven anything to me, it's that the legal system is absolutely bonkers, and there is no such thing as a legal expert. Everyone is throwing opinions at the wall, hoping something sticks, only to have the wall get set on fire and burn everything down with it.
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
Agree and I have Zeke in a high stakes league. Just exposing our legal system even more. Ridiculous!!oddsbodkins said:
The Frankman
Footballguy
Basically they read the briefs only and decide to hear it in court Tuesday, where they go over the facts of the case again (Which means it comes down to Brady again). Why Tuesday?
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The General
Footballguy
Schefter actually says if next weeks hearing goes in Zeke’s favor then he plays. Yeah no #### Schefty!
themeistersinger
Footballguy
I haven't read the original decision or even a summary of it. I had assumed that the Appeals Court would reject the latest request out of hand so why bother.
Only thing I am guessing is that the most recent judge decided based on precedent that it doesn't matter how unfair the process is, arbitration is arbitration, so get lost. Now maybe the Appeals Court wants to give a little wiggle room to that, so that if the process is egregiously unfair, the courts can still get involved.
At this point, I am desperately hoping he plays week 9 and 10, then after that what happens, happens. At least I'd be able to cut Zeke if he got suspended later and could use the roster spot for something. Of course ideally he plays all year.
To me, the only part of this process that could be considered egregiously unfair was withholding the lead investigator's notes from Zeke before the first hearing. In criminal prosecutions, any potentially exculpatory evidence the prosecution has must be given to the defense, and not doing so is prosecutorial misconduct. These judges might be looking to enforce something similar here.
Only thing I am guessing is that the most recent judge decided based on precedent that it doesn't matter how unfair the process is, arbitration is arbitration, so get lost. Now maybe the Appeals Court wants to give a little wiggle room to that, so that if the process is egregiously unfair, the courts can still get involved.
At this point, I am desperately hoping he plays week 9 and 10, then after that what happens, happens. At least I'd be able to cut Zeke if he got suspended later and could use the roster spot for something. Of course ideally he plays all year.
To me, the only part of this process that could be considered egregiously unfair was withholding the lead investigator's notes from Zeke before the first hearing. In criminal prosecutions, any potentially exculpatory evidence the prosecution has must be given to the defense, and not doing so is prosecutorial misconduct. These judges might be looking to enforce something similar here.
The General
Footballguy
I’m starting to think Zeke doesn’t care about our fantasy football teams.
The Frankman
Footballguy
I just posted what it means. It's an administrative stay based on the paperwork.
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The General
Footballguy
This will be reversed again a couple times so you can trade him back and forth a few more times.
