RB Giovani Bernard, TB (1 Viewer)

[DA RAIDERS]

anyone see the how bad the injury looked?

 

[Txns8]

anyone see the how bad the injury looked?

Bump

 

[Gopher State]

any updates on his injury?

 

[GroveDiesel]

anyone see the how bad the injury looked?

Bump

Couldn't have been too terrible since he finished the game.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Not on the injury report for today

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Giovani Bernard held court with reporters following Sunday's win over Baltimore, after missing most of the fourth quarter with a hip injury.

Bernard didn't play in the final eight minutes. Neither Bernard nor coach Marvin Lewis was even asked about the injury, suggesting there were no indications Gio was significantly injured. It's worth noting that Bernard missed time in Week 6 with a shoulder/collarbone injury, was limited in practice after Week 7 with a rib injury, and now suffered the hip injury against the Ravens. Gio is currently on pace for 250 carries but only 51 receptions, five fewer than Bernard notched in a lesser role as a rookie. The Bengals would be smart to scale back his rushing workload and use Gio more in the passing game.

Source: bengals.com

Oct 26 - 8:20 PM

 

[Jerry Curl]

Its been awfully quiet regarding his injury. While he may not have been asked questions, that doesnt mean anything. Why are reporters not asking about what took him out of a close game in the fourth anyways? I hope he is ok, a hip injury is no joke, and the hit that put him out look bad.

Bengals need to cut back on his usage anyways, he is smaller and is taking a beating every week. Why did they draft Hill to just let their best player get pounded game after game.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Its been awfully quiet regarding his injury. While he may not have been asked questions, that doesnt mean anything. Why are reporters not asking about what took him out of a close game in the fourth anyways? I hope he is ok, a hip injury is no joke, and the hit that put him out look bad.

Bengals need to cut back on his usage anyways, he is smaller and is taking a beating every week. Why did they draft Hill to just let their best player get pounded game after game.

They really need to rethink how they're using him. He's not a pound it down the defenses throat 15-20 times a game player. Every run is between the tackles. Use a little creativity.

 

[McGarnicle]

Thinking about trading him for Hillman.

 

[Houston turmOiler]

Hopefully getting AJ Green back will open up some check downs underneath. Would like to see him more involved in the passing game

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Games averaging 4ypc or better, in their last 10 tries.

Doug Martin - 5

Giovanni Bernard - 2

 

[tunamelt warrior]

Hopefully getting AJ Green back will open up some check downs underneath. Would like to see him more involved in the passing game

Right now teams can stack the box. Getting A.J. back in the lineup should help a lot. Eifert should be back fairly soon, too.

 

[RBM]

Its been awfully quiet regarding his injury. While he may not have been asked questions, that doesnt mean anything. Why are reporters not asking about what took him out of a close game in the fourth anyways? I hope he is ok, a hip injury is no joke, and the hit that put him out look bad.

Bengals need to cut back on his usage anyways, he is smaller and is taking a beating every week. Why did they draft Hill to just let their best player get pounded game after game.

They really need to rethink how they're using him. He's not a pound it down the defenses throat 15-20 times a game player. Every run is between the tackles. Use a little creativity.

Definitely. The guy is on the verge of just breaking.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Hopefully getting AJ Green back will open up some check downs underneath. Would like to see him more involved in the passing game

Right now teams can stack the box. Getting A.J. back in the lineup should help a lot. Eifert should be back fairly soon, too.

Bernard with Green in the game,

78 yards per game, .6 TD per game, 2.5ypc

Bernard without Green in the game,

97 yards per game, .75 TD per game, 4.3ypc

 

[tunamelt warrior]

Hopefully getting AJ Green back will open up some check downs underneath. Would like to see him more involved in the passing game

Right now teams can stack the box. Getting A.J. back in the lineup should help a lot. Eifert should be back fairly soon, too.

Bernard with Green in the game,

78 yards per game, .6 TD per game, 2.5ypc

Bernard without Green in the game,

97 yards per game, .75 TD per game, 4.3ypc

So Cincy is better and Gio is better without A.J. in the lineup? I'm not buying it, whatever stats are trotted out.

 

[fruity pebbles]

I'd be more worried about Gio if Jeremy Hill's looked any better running the ball but he hasn't. Tells me its a blocking or scheme issue. Gio with some space is a truly gifted player with the ball in his hands.

 

[fruity pebbles]

still one of the best runs ive ever seen

http://www.bengals.com/media-lounge/videos/Giovani-Bernard-35-yard-TD-run/ad5a413d-16d5-4f9e-9eba-2fcaa504b5a8

 

[RBM]

I'd be more worried about Gio if Jeremy Hill's looked any better running the ball but he hasn't. Tells me its a blocking or scheme issue. Gio with some space is a truly gifted player with the ball in his hands.

Like to see Hill be the main guy for a game though.

 

[jurb26]

I'd be more worried about Gio if Jeremy Hill's looked any better running the ball but he hasn't. Tells me its a blocking or scheme issue. Gio with some space is a truly gifted player with the ball in his hands.

Hill has looked better running the ball. Gio has a DVOA ranking of 27 in the NFL with a value of -10.5. He's essentially one of the worst starting RBs in the league rushing. Hill has a value of 15.2, though he isn't ranked due to missing the 64 carry minimum. Hill has 50 carries on the season so it's not like he's done it on an extremely small count like others. Watching the games, Hill also looks like the better runner.FWIW Hill also has far better DVOA receiving rankings though that sample size is probably too small still.

 

[fruity pebbles]

I'd be more worried about Gio if Jeremy Hill's looked any better running the ball but he hasn't. Tells me its a blocking or scheme issue. Gio with some space is a truly gifted player with the ball in his hands.

Hill has looked better running the ball. Gio has a DVOA ranking of 27 in the NFL with a value of -10.5. He's essentially one of the worst starting RBs in the league rushing. Hill has a value of 15.2, though he isn't ranked due to missing the 64 carry minimum. Hill has 50 carries on the season so it's not like he's done it on an extremely small count like others. Watching the games, Hill also looks like the better runner.FWIW Hill also has far better DVOA receiving rankings though that sample size is probably too small still.

I don't place much emphasis on those numbers for runningbacks. Great backs are frequently near the bottom and change of pace guys near the top. Bilal Powell has the highest score this year while Lesean and Spiller are at the bottom. Just go by what i see. Watched the last 3 games. No running room. Both guys getting trapped at or behind the line. Hill had one nice garbage time run against a prevent the week before last. This week absolutely nothing in the running game, though did have some wide open looks in the passing game. Gio actually have the drive of the day. Looked fantastic in the drive where he scored from the 1. The 3 goalline runs and the run where he got swarmed behind the line for a loss skewed his ypc. Have both in different leagues so only going by what i see.

 

[socrates]

still one of the best runs ive ever seen

http://www.bengals.com/media-lounge/videos/Giovani-Bernard-35-yard-TD-run/ad5a413d-16d5-4f9e-9eba-2fcaa504b5a8

Some pretty good runs here, too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skDwV_ZQJJg

 

[socrates]

I'd be more worried about Gio if Jeremy Hill's looked any better running the ball but he hasn't. Tells me its a blocking or scheme issue. Gio with some space is a truly gifted player with the ball in his hands.

Hill has looked better running the ball. Gio has a DVOA ranking of 27 in the NFL with a value of -10.5. He's essentially one of the worst starting RBs in the league rushing. Hill has a value of 15.2, though he isn't ranked due to missing the 64 carry minimum. Hill has 50 carries on the season so it's not like he's done it on an extremely small count like others. Watching the games, Hill also looks like the better runner.FWIW Hill also has far better DVOA receiving rankings though that sample size is probably too small still.

What is DVOA??

 

[jurb26]

I'd be more worried about Gio if Jeremy Hill's looked any better running the ball but he hasn't. Tells me its a blocking or scheme issue. Gio with some space is a truly gifted player with the ball in his hands.

Hill has looked better running the ball. Gio has a DVOA ranking of 27 in the NFL with a value of -10.5. He's essentially one of the worst starting RBs in the league rushing. Hill has a value of 15.2, though he isn't ranked due to missing the 64 carry minimum. Hill has 50 carries on the season so it's not like he's done it on an extremely small count like others. Watching the games, Hill also looks like the better runner.FWIW Hill also has far better DVOA receiving rankings though that sample size is probably too small still.

What is DVOA??

They explain the methodology here as well as provide the scores/rankings. Basically it means a players value vs. replacement players and average. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/rb

 

[jurb26]

I'd be more worried about Gio if Jeremy Hill's looked any better running the ball but he hasn't. Tells me its a blocking or scheme issue. Gio with some space is a truly gifted player with the ball in his hands.

Hill has looked better running the ball. Gio has a DVOA ranking of 27 in the NFL with a value of -10.5. He's essentially one of the worst starting RBs in the league rushing. Hill has a value of 15.2, though he isn't ranked due to missing the 64 carry minimum. Hill has 50 carries on the season so it's not like he's done it on an extremely small count like others. Watching the games, Hill also looks like the better runner.FWIW Hill also has far better DVOA receiving rankings though that sample size is probably too small still.

I don't place much emphasis on those numbers for runningbacks. Great backs are frequently near the bottom and change of pace guys near the top. Bilal Powell has the highest score this year while Lesean and Spiller are at the bottom. Just go by what i see. Watched the last 3 games. No running room. Both guys getting trapped at or behind the line. Hill had one nice garbage time run against a prevent the week before last. This week absolutely nothing in the running game, though did have some wide open looks in the passing game. Gio actually have the drive of the day. Looked fantastic in the drive where he scored from the 1. The 3 goalline runs and the run where he got swarmed behind the line for a loss skewed his ypc. Have both in different leagues so only going by what i see.

I think it's a much better tool than you're giving it credit for. Sure, Powell has the highest score but he's only had 16 carries YTD and that exactly why he's not listed in the main portion of the results. With such a small sample size anomalies like that are going to happen. Hill on the other hand has 50 carries. While that's not enough to hit their main results, I'd say it's a fair amount and that's why I stated originally it's not like he's doing it on an extremely small carry count like others. If you look at the RBs with 64 carries and up I'd dpsay its a pretty good reflection of the seasons these guys are having and results. I'd argue that McCoy and Spiller just aren't that good this year despite their reputations. It's not a perfect measure and not gospel but it is helpful. I'd also say from my eyeball test, watching games, ect, that Hill has looked like the better runner. I'm not saying he should replace Gio. Gio offers a home run threat that Hill doesn't and that is worth something, heck a lot maybe.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I'd be more worried about Gio if Jeremy Hill's looked any better running the ball but he hasn't. Tells me its a blocking or scheme issue. Gio with some space is a truly gifted player with the ball in his hands.

Hill has looked better running the ball. Gio has a DVOA ranking of 27 in the NFL with a value of -10.5. He's essentially one of the worst starting RBs in the league rushing. Hill has a value of 15.2, though he isn't ranked due to missing the 64 carry minimum. Hill has 50 carries on the season so it's not like he's done it on an extremely small count like others. Watching the games, Hill also looks like the better runner.FWIW Hill also has far better DVOA receiving rankings though that sample size is probably too small still.

What is DVOA??

Its something people fall back on when cherry picking stats. PFF is great for that.

The coaches tell you that they dont think Hill is pretty good at anything. Thats should be enough. Unless their minds change nothing else matters.

 

[jurb26]

The coaches tell you that they dont think Hill is pretty good at anything.

Link?

 

[socrates]

I'd be more worried about Gio if Jeremy Hill's looked any better running the ball but he hasn't. Tells me its a blocking or scheme issue. Gio with some space is a truly gifted player with the ball in his hands.

Hill has looked better running the ball. Gio has a DVOA ranking of 27 in the NFL with a value of -10.5. He's essentially one of the worst starting RBs in the league rushing. Hill has a value of 15.2, though he isn't ranked due to missing the 64 carry minimum. Hill has 50 carries on the season so it's not like he's done it on an extremely small count like others. Watching the games, Hill also looks like the better runner.FWIW Hill also has far better DVOA receiving rankings though that sample size is probably too small still.

What is DVOA??

They explain the methodology here as well as provide the scores/rankings. Basically it means a players value vs. replacement players and average.http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/rb

Are there leagues out there that make these types of adjustments to a player's fantasy score?

 

[jurb26]

I'd be more worried about Gio if Jeremy Hill's looked any better running the ball but he hasn't. Tells me its a blocking or scheme issue. Gio with some space is a truly gifted player with the ball in his hands.

Hill has looked better running the ball. Gio has a DVOA ranking of 27 in the NFL with a value of -10.5. He's essentially one of the worst starting RBs in the league rushing. Hill has a value of 15.2, though he isn't ranked due to missing the 64 carry minimum. Hill has 50 carries on the season so it's not like he's done it on an extremely small count like others. Watching the games, Hill also looks like the better runner.FWIW Hill also has far better DVOA receiving rankings though that sample size is probably too small still.

What is DVOA??

They explain the methodology here as well as provide the scores/rankings. Basically it means a players value vs. replacement players and average.http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/rb

Are there leagues out there that make these types of adjustments to a player's fantasy score?

That's not what we're talking about here.

 

[RBM]

I'd be more worried about Gio if Jeremy Hill's looked any better running the ball but he hasn't. Tells me its a blocking or scheme issue. Gio with some space is a truly gifted player with the ball in his hands.

Hill has looked better running the ball. Gio has a DVOA ranking of 27 in the NFL with a value of -10.5. He's essentially one of the worst starting RBs in the league rushing. Hill has a value of 15.2, though he isn't ranked due to missing the 64 carry minimum. Hill has 50 carries on the season so it's not like he's done it on an extremely small count like others. Watching the games, Hill also looks like the better runner.FWIW Hill also has far better DVOA receiving rankings though that sample size is probably too small still.

What is DVOA??

Its something people fall back on when cherry picking stats. PFF is great for that.

The coaches tell you that they dont think Hill is pretty good at anything. Thats should be enough. Unless their minds change nothing else matters.

Agree with the first part. PFF and DVOA are nonsense and crutches for people that just don't watch enough football to understand it can't be measured in those terms.

Second part is complete speculation on your part with nothing to base it on.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I'd be more worried about Gio if Jeremy Hill's looked any better running the ball but he hasn't. Tells me its a blocking or scheme issue. Gio with some space is a truly gifted player with the ball in his hands.

Hill has looked better running the ball. Gio has a DVOA ranking of 27 in the NFL with a value of -10.5. He's essentially one of the worst starting RBs in the league rushing. Hill has a value of 15.2, though he isn't ranked due to missing the 64 carry minimum. Hill has 50 carries on the season so it's not like he's done it on an extremely small count like others. Watching the games, Hill also looks like the better runner.FWIW Hill also has far better DVOA receiving rankings though that sample size is probably too small still.

What is DVOA??

Its something people fall back on when cherry picking stats. PFF is great for that.

The coaches tell you that they dont think Hill is pretty good at anything. Thats should be enough. Unless their minds change nothing else matters.

Agree with the first part. PFF and DVOA are nonsense and crutches for people that just don't watch enough football to understand it can't be measured in those terms.

Second part is complete speculation on your part with nothing to base it on.

Given how "bad" Gio was Hill hasnt put a dent in any PT at all. For a while his already low usage was getting lower.

How the coaches use him (maybe thats what I should have said initially) is more telling then anything else. They dont use him in any main role and he gets scraps for PT. Unless they change their stance nothing else matters.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

The coaches tell you that they dont think Hill is pretty good at anything.

Link?

Game logs or snap counts

 

[jurb26]

The coaches tell you that they dont think Hill is pretty good at anything.

Link?

Game logs or snap counts

Don't worry, I already saw your backpedal in the previous post. At any rate, I agree Gio is the far more valuable fantasy player and his usage would reflect that. That's a separate issue from what I was discussing before.

 

[socrates]

I'd be more worried about Gio if Jeremy Hill's looked any better running the ball but he hasn't. Tells me its a blocking or scheme issue. Gio with some space is a truly gifted player with the ball in his hands.

Hill has looked better running the ball. Gio has a DVOA ranking of 27 in the NFL with a value of -10.5. He's essentially one of the worst starting RBs in the league rushing. Hill has a value of 15.2, though he isn't ranked due to missing the 64 carry minimum. Hill has 50 carries on the season so it's not like he's done it on an extremely small count like others. Watching the games, Hill also looks like the better runner.FWIW Hill also has far better DVOA receiving rankings though that sample size is probably too small still.

What is DVOA??

They explain the methodology here as well as provide the scores/rankings. Basically it means a players value vs. replacement players and average.http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/rb

Are there leagues out there that make these types of adjustments to a player's fantasy score?

That's not what we're talking about here.

Fair enough. Not sure I see the value in this, but I am also not going to dismiss it entirely.

My eyes tell me that Hill is an extremely talented runner. I would love to see what Hill could do with a full load, as I think he is the type of player who could get better with increased work. Unless Gio misses time due to injury, however, we are unlikely to see that any time soon.

 

[Squintz82]

Funny how people said the same thing about Bernard Pierce until he was given a full load. Food for thought.

 

[RBM]

I'd be more worried about Gio if Jeremy Hill's looked any better running the ball but he hasn't. Tells me its a blocking or scheme issue. Gio with some space is a truly gifted player with the ball in his hands.

Hill has looked better running the ball. Gio has a DVOA ranking of 27 in the NFL with a value of -10.5. He's essentially one of the worst starting RBs in the league rushing. Hill has a value of 15.2, though he isn't ranked due to missing the 64 carry minimum. Hill has 50 carries on the season so it's not like he's done it on an extremely small count like others. Watching the games, Hill also looks like the better runner.FWIW Hill also has far better DVOA receiving rankings though that sample size is probably too small still.

What is DVOA??

Its something people fall back on when cherry picking stats. PFF is great for that.

The coaches tell you that they dont think Hill is pretty good at anything. Thats should be enough. Unless their minds change nothing else matters.

Agree with the first part. PFF and DVOA are nonsense and crutches for people that just don't watch enough football to understand it can't be measured in those terms.

Second part is complete speculation on your part with nothing to base it on.

Given how "bad" Gio was Hill hasnt put a dent in any PT at all. For a while his already low usage was getting lower.

How the coaches use him (maybe thats what I should have said initially) is more telling then anything else. They dont use him in any main role and he gets scraps for PT. Unless they change their stance nothing else matters.

Could be. I'm thinking they still want Gio to be that guy and they're not ready to change his role.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

The coaches tell you that they dont think Hill is pretty good at anything.

Link?

Game logs or snap counts

Don't worry, I already saw your backpedal in the previous post.At any rate, I agree Gio is the far more valuable fantasy player and his usage would reflect that. That's a separate issue from what I was discussing before.

Hill has looked better running the ball. Gio has a DVOA ranking of 27 in the NFL with a value of -10.5. He's essentially one of the worst starting RBs in the league rushing. Hill has a value of 15.2, though he isn't ranked due to missing the 64 carry minimum. Hill has 50 carries on the season so it's not like he's done it on an extremely small count like others. Watching the games, Hill also looks like the better runner.

[SIZE=medium]This reads like he looks better running the ball to you and the stats support what you're seeing, no?[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]If so, you're valuing a stat that pales in comparison to what the coaches tell you by how they use a guy. Your priorities are off IMHO.[/SIZE]

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I'd be more worried about Gio if Jeremy Hill's looked any better running the ball but he hasn't. Tells me its a blocking or scheme issue. Gio with some space is a truly gifted player with the ball in his hands.

Hill has looked better running the ball. Gio has a DVOA ranking of 27 in the NFL with a value of -10.5. He's essentially one of the worst starting RBs in the league rushing. Hill has a value of 15.2, though he isn't ranked due to missing the 64 carry minimum. Hill has 50 carries on the season so it's not like he's done it on an extremely small count like others. Watching the games, Hill also looks like the better runner.FWIW Hill also has far better DVOA receiving rankings though that sample size is probably too small still.

What is DVOA??

Its something people fall back on when cherry picking stats. PFF is great for that.

The coaches tell you that they dont think Hill is pretty good at anything. Thats should be enough. Unless their minds change nothing else matters.

Agree with the first part. PFF and DVOA are nonsense and crutches for people that just don't watch enough football to understand it can't be measured in those terms.

Second part is complete speculation on your part with nothing to base it on.

Given how "bad" Gio was Hill hasnt put a dent in any PT at all. For a while his already low usage was getting lower.

How the coaches use him (maybe thats what I should have said initially) is more telling then anything else. They dont use him in any main role and he gets scraps for PT. Unless they change their stance nothing else matters.

Could be. I'm thinking they still want Gio to be that guy and they're not ready to change his role.

I dont disagree but theyre not showing much confidence in Hill either. He should be getting better with experiance yet his snaps dont show it.

 

[jurb26]

The coaches tell you that they dont think Hill is pretty good at anything.

Link?

Game logs or snap counts

Don't worry, I already saw your backpedal in the previous post.At any rate, I agree Gio is the far more valuable fantasy player and his usage would reflect that. That's a separate issue from what I was discussing before.

Hill has looked better running the ball. Gio has a DVOA ranking of 27 in the NFL with a value of -10.5. He's essentially one of the worst starting RBs in the league rushing. Hill has a value of 15.2, though he isn't ranked due to missing the 64 carry minimum. Hill has 50 carries on the season so it's not like he's done it on an extremely small count like others. Watching the games, Hill also looks like the better runner.

This reads like he looks better running the ball to you and the stats support what you're seeing, no?

If so, you're valuing a stat that pales in comparison to what the coaches tell you by how they use a guy. Your priorities are off IMHO.

My priorities are off because I have an opinion on them as runners? It reads like Hill is the better runner to me because that's exactly what I said and how I feel on the limited work we've seen this year. The DVOA rankings do support that. I happen to like DVOA but I can also understand why others don't. Use them, don't use them. I don't care. Unlike the stereo type you guys have tried to create about DVOA I happen to watch a TON of football. I use DVOA as a tool to help me try and remain impartial to what my eyes tell me. I don't blindly follow them. I've not advocated at all that Hill is more valuable than Gio nor have I said he should be replaced. Your making a ton of assumptions here.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

The coaches tell you that they dont think Hill is pretty good at anything.

Link?

Game logs or snap counts

Don't worry, I already saw your backpedal in the previous post.At any rate, I agree Gio is the far more valuable fantasy player and his usage would reflect that. That's a separate issue from what I was discussing before.

Hill has looked better running the ball. Gio has a DVOA ranking of 27 in the NFL with a value of -10.5. He's essentially one of the worst starting RBs in the league rushing. Hill has a value of 15.2, though he isn't ranked due to missing the 64 carry minimum. Hill has 50 carries on the season so it's not like he's done it on an extremely small count like others. Watching the games, Hill also looks like the better runner.

This reads like he looks better running the ball to you and the stats support what you're seeing, no?

If so, you're valuing a stat that pales in comparison to what the coaches tell you by how they use a guy. Your priorities are off IMHO.

My priorities are off because I have an opinion on them as runners? It reads like Hill is the better runner to me because that's exactly what I said and how I feel on the limited work we've seen this year. The DVOA rankings do support that. I happen to like DVOA but I can also understand why others don't. Use them, don't use them. I don't care. Unlike the stereo type you guys have tried to create about DVOA I happen to watch a TON of football. I use DVOA as a tool to help me try and remain impartial to what my eyes tell me. I don't blindly follow them. I've not advocated at all that Hill is more valuable than Gio nor have I said he should be replaced. Your making a ton of assumptions here.

Your priorities are off if you value DVOA over the way a coaching staff uses a guy, IMHO. You seemed to disregard that in favor of your eyes, which I have zero issue with, and DVOA.

I'm not making, or attempting to make any assumptions, but I'm trying to understand your point and why you chose DVOA over snaps is all. Relax.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I think it's foolish to just blow off the idea that Bernard could start losing some (significant) carries if he doesn't improve as a runner. He's been bad. Like really, really bad. He's basically been Doug Martin with a nice 89 yard run on top.

I'll say again. He's failed to reach 4ypc in 8 of the last 10 games. The only other player to do that in the entire league is Trent Richardson.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I think it's foolish to just blow off the idea that Bernard could start losing some (significant) carries if he doesn't improve as a runner. He's been bad. Like really, really bad. He's basically been Doug Martin with a nice 89 yard run on top.

I'll say again. He's failed to reach 4ypc in 8 of the last 10 games. The only other player to do that in the entire league is Trent Richardson.

Hill hasnt in his last 4 either...

Ellington, the YPC master, hasnt reached 4 in his last 5 games...

He could start to lose carries. I'm not saying it's not possible but today you're doing nothing but taking a shot in the dark when you say it. Hill's YPC has been bad the last 4 games behind the same OL.

 

[shader]

I'd be more worried about Gio if Jeremy Hill's looked any better running the ball but he hasn't. Tells me its a blocking or scheme issue. Gio with some space is a truly gifted player with the ball in his hands.

Hill has looked better running the ball. Gio has a DVOA ranking of 27 in the NFL with a value of -10.5. He's essentially one of the worst starting RBs in the league rushing. Hill has a value of 15.2, though he isn't ranked due to missing the 64 carry minimum. Hill has 50 carries on the season so it's not like he's done it on an extremely small count like others. Watching the games, Hill also looks like the better runner.FWIW Hill also has far better DVOA receiving rankings though that sample size is probably too small still.

I've watched all the games and I totally disagree.

 

[shader]

I think it's foolish to just blow off the idea that Bernard could start losing some (significant) carries if he doesn't improve as a runner. He's been bad. Like really, really bad. He's basically been Doug Martin with a nice 89 yard run on top.

I'll say again. He's failed to reach 4ypc in 8 of the last 10 games. The only other player to do that in the entire league is Trent Richardson.

I think this is one case where the OL truly is at fault. If Hill was coming in and tearing it up, there would be an argument. But he's not. I think Gio has also been a better short yardage runner.

One thing I've actually noticed about Gio is that he explodes toward the line. He is trying to get postiive yardage on every play. While that is good, I do think there are a few times where he could stand to be a bit more patient.

 

[urbanhack]

Any updates on his injury/status for Sunday?

 

[mnmplayer]

Watched every game. Hill looks slower than Gio, not as good pass catching rac. He's more of a bruiser which would lend itself to ramming into the line. OC is pretty high on Gio and his open field ability, so its weird how he constantly crashes him into the line instead, however he did rattle off an 89 yard TD doing that so I guess it can work. I'd like to see more pulling guard pitches and screens.

 

[humpback]

Giovani Bernard - RB - Bengals
Giovani Bernard (hip) is not practicing on Wednesday.
Bernard missed most of the fourth quarter last Sunday after hurting his hip. There have been virtually no updates on him since, with only NFL Network's Ian Rapoport saying "the sense" is Bernard's injury isn't serious. We chalked that up as mostly a guess. Bernard's not off to a great start for Week 9.


Source: Coley Harvey on Twitter
Oct 29 - 1:11 PM

 

[Courtweeks87]

I think it's foolish to just blow off the idea that Bernard could start losing some (significant) carries if he doesn't improve as a runner. He's been bad. Like really, really bad. He's basically been Doug Martin with a nice 89 yard run on top.

I'll say again. He's failed to reach 4ypc in 8 of the last 10 games. The only other player to do that in the entire league is Trent Richardson.

I think this is one case where the OL truly is at fault. If Hill was coming in and tearing it up, there would be an argument. But he's not. I think Gio has also been a better short yardage runner.

One thing I've actually noticed about Gio is that he explodes toward the line. He is trying to get postiive yardage on every play. While that is good, I do think there are a few times where he could stand to be a bit more patient.

The best runners in the game done explode to the line. The follow there line and explode when the hole opens.

 

[Faust]

Gio Bernard among Bengals not practicing

Excerpt:

CINCINNATI -- While A.J. Green made it back out on the practice fields Wednesday, several of his Cincinnati Bengals teammates did not.

In all, eight Bengals didn't practice, with second-year running back Giovani Bernard atop the list. He left in the fourth quarter of Sunday's 27-24 win over Baltimore with a right hip injury. It was one of two injuries Bernard was listed with on Wednesday's injury report. He also has an injury to his clavicle.

Bernard was one of three Bengals who didn't even make it on the practice fields.

 

[McGarnicle]

I think it's foolish to just blow off the idea that Bernard could start losing some (significant) carries if he doesn't improve as a runner. He's been bad. Like really, really bad. He's basically been Doug Martin with a nice 89 yard run on top.

I'll say again. He's failed to reach 4ypc in 8 of the last 10 games. The only other player to do that in the entire league is Trent Richardson.

I think this is one case where the OL truly is at fault. If Hill was coming in and tearing it up, there would be an argument. But he's not. I think Gio has also been a better short yardage runner.

One thing I've actually noticed about Gio is that he explodes toward the line. He is trying to get postiive yardage on every play. While that is good, I do think there are a few times where he could stand to be a bit more patient.

The best runners in the game done explode to the line. The follow there line and explode when the hole opens.

 

[Courtweeks87]

I see what you did there, well played my friend.