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RB Isiah Pacheco, KC (1 Viewer)

Dr. Octopus said:
Ilov80s said:
I hate him missing this much time in what’s really his first camp with a shot to take over a huge role. Could set him back but we shall see. Luckily his competition isn’t stiff.
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The issue may be the more time he misses, the more likely KC may be to add a Fournette or Zeke.
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Yeah I didn’t want to even speak that into existence but I guess if he can’t outplay and steal work from Zeke, it maybe was never going to happen for him anyway.
 
Ilov80s said:
I hate him missing this much time in what’s really his first camp with a shot to take over a huge role. Could set him back but we shall see. Luckily his competition isn’t stiff.
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Nobody thought he was much either at this point last year.
It probably doesn’t mean a thing but Mahomes seems to like Prince.

“He [Deneric Prince] can catch the ball in the backfield, he can run the ball really well, and he’s getting better and better with the protection stuff, so I think they’re just continuing to get him reps,” Mahomes explained. “We’re going to have a deep running back room, and it’s always good to have those guys that we can trust to be in there for the big moments of the game.”
 
Ilov80s said:
if he can’t outplay and steal work from Zeke, it maybe was never going to happen for him anyway
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There's still a few things that Zeke is very good at - durability, pass protection and short yardage - which is enough to make a dent in Pacheco's volume. I doubt Zeke would beat him out - but part of the appeal of Pacheco (besides being in a top offense) is the lack of competition for touches.
 
ChiefD said:
There is no way the Chiefs are bringing in Fournette or Elliott.

Just my opinion. Pachecho, McKinnon and Prince are the guys.
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We were talking if Pacheco keeps missing time - but you are probably right even in that case. Maybe if Elliot was willing to come in really cheap chasing a ring.
 
I love the questions around Pacheco at this time. Won't be back till aug 20th. back burner type stuff. lets him drop a round or two in most drafts. he's solid gold this year. KC has to shift to a run game - how can they possibly rely on potato chip Toney never has been S. Moore? they're really going out there with a pair of unproven WRs. This means more passes for McKinnon, more rushing for Pacheco. His numbers down the stretch of last seasons should be a forceast of things to come in 2024.
 
Tanner9919 said:
I love the questions around Pacheco at this time. Won't be back till aug 20th. back burner type stuff. lets him drop a round or two in most drafts. he's solid gold this year. KC has to shift to a run game - how can they possibly rely on potato chip Toney never has been S. Moore? they're really going out there with a pair of unproven WRs. This means more passes for McKinnon, more rushing for Pacheco. His numbers down the stretch of last seasons should be a forceast of things to come in 2024.
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Agreed. I can see him getting Atleast 30 receptions, and as many as 50 receptions this year as they feel more comfortable with him in offense now. He is actually a pretty good pass blocker too

as long as he plays every game he will easily break 1000 yards rushing, and if his passing numbers go up he should be a very solid RB 2 with upside in that offense. If McKinnon’s (turns 32 year old) body breaks down . The sky is the limit for “Pop”
 
Tanner9919 said:
I love the questions around Pacheco at this time. Won't be back till aug 20th. back burner type stuff. lets him drop a round or two in most drafts. he's solid gold this year. KC has to shift to a run game - how can they possibly rely on potato chip Toney never has been S. Moore? they're really going out there with a pair of unproven WRs. This means more passes for McKinnon, more rushing for Pacheco. His numbers down the stretch of last seasons should be a forceast of things to come in 2024.
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Pacheco is a target. His last 9 games resulted in 136 touches 750 YFS and 4 TD's. With a significant shoulder injury that noone but the medical staff knew about, which could explain a workload shaving.
 
Dr. Octopus said:
Ilov80s said:
if he can’t outplay and steal work from Zeke, it maybe was never going to happen for him anyway
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There's still a few things that Zeke is very good at - durability, pass protection and short yardage - which is enough to make a dent in Pacheco's volume. I doubt Zeke would beat him out - but part of the appeal of Pacheco (besides being in a top offense) is the lack of competition for touches.
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This is probably the biggest reason I don't like him - because of how much competition there is. Hardly a lack. McKinnon, Prince, CEH (who I expect they're going to practice squad on game days), are all guys that I can see getting playing time in a hot hand approach. Plus there is that specter of whether they bring someone else in from outside. I like Pacheco but I'm largely avoiding.
 
barackdhouse said:
Dr. Octopus said:
Ilov80s said:
if he can’t outplay and steal work from Zeke, it maybe was never going to happen for him anyway
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There's still a few things that Zeke is very good at - durability, pass protection and short yardage - which is enough to make a dent in Pacheco's volume. I doubt Zeke would beat him out - but part of the appeal of Pacheco (besides being in a top offense) is the lack of competition for touches.
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This is probably the biggest reason I don't like him - because of how much competition there is. Hardly a lack. McKinnon, Prince, CEH (who I expect they're going to practice squad on game days), are all guys that I can see getting playing time in a hot hand approach. Plus there is that specter of whether they bring someone else in from outside. I like Pacheco but I'm largely avoiding.
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A guy going to practice squad on game day has you worried? A rookie UDFA has you worried? If those guys are concerning it means you just have little belief in IP as a player (which is fine).
 
Ilov80s said:
barackdhouse said:
Dr. Octopus said:
Ilov80s said:
if he can’t outplay and steal work from Zeke, it maybe was never going to happen for him anyway
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There's still a few things that Zeke is very good at - durability, pass protection and short yardage - which is enough to make a dent in Pacheco's volume. I doubt Zeke would beat him out - but part of the appeal of Pacheco (besides being in a top offense) is the lack of competition for touches.
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This is probably the biggest reason I don't like him - because of how much competition there is. Hardly a lack. McKinnon, Prince, CEH (who I expect they're going to practice squad on game days), are all guys that I can see getting playing time in a hot hand approach. Plus there is that specter of whether they bring someone else in from outside. I like Pacheco but I'm largely avoiding.
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A guy going to practice squad on game day has you worried? A rookie UDFA has you worried? If those guys are concerning it means you just have little belief in IP as a player (which is fine).
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I expect McKinnon and Prince to eat into his pie enough to matter yes. I simply mentioned CEH because he is there and maybe he isn't inactive.

I'm also not super enthused about Pacheco's price. This isn't a sword I'm going to fall on though - I still have sprinkled a little of him in my drafts here and there. But it is a situation I'm largely avoiding. It isn't a flag I'm planting but this is the direction I'm leaning as of today.
 
barackdhouse said:
Dr. Octopus said:
Ilov80s said:
if he can’t outplay and steal work from Zeke, it maybe was never going to happen for him anyway
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There's still a few things that Zeke is very good at - durability, pass protection and short yardage - which is enough to make a dent in Pacheco's volume. I doubt Zeke would beat him out - but part of the appeal of Pacheco (besides being in a top offense) is the lack of competition for touches.
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This is probably the biggest reason I don't like him - because of how much competition there is. Hardly a lack. McKinnon, Prince, CEH (who I expect they're going to practice squad on game days), are all guys that I can see getting playing time in a hot hand approach. Plus there is that specter of whether they bring someone else in from outside. I like Pacheco but I'm largely avoiding.
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Every team has a few other RBs on its roster. Where could Pacheco go that would see a “weaker” backfield competition?

The current KC depth chart hardly seems stacked to me - if those guys are a threat to Pacheco, it means he’s not very good - which is possible as he didn’t exactly dominate in one of the best situations for a RB in the league.
 
Dr. Octopus said:
barackdhouse said:
Dr. Octopus said:
Ilov80s said:
if he can’t outplay and steal work from Zeke, it maybe was never going to happen for him anyway
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There's still a few things that Zeke is very good at - durability, pass protection and short yardage - which is enough to make a dent in Pacheco's volume. I doubt Zeke would beat him out - but part of the appeal of Pacheco (besides being in a top offense) is the lack of competition for touches.
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This is probably the biggest reason I don't like him - because of how much competition there is. Hardly a lack. McKinnon, Prince, CEH (who I expect they're going to practice squad on game days), are all guys that I can see getting playing time in a hot hand approach. Plus there is that specter of whether they bring someone else in from outside. I like Pacheco but I'm largely avoiding.
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Every team has a few other RBs on its roster. Where could Pacheco go that would see a “weaker” backfield competition?

The current KC depth chart hardly seems stacked to me - if those guys are a threat to Pacheco, it means he’s not very good - which is possible as he didn’t exactly dominate in one of the best situations for a RB in the league.
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Yeah that may be the case - I'm not the biggest fan. And it's not that I think his competition is world beating either - it's just that my gut says he isn't going to dominate touches in a way that makes me want him. It really isn't much more than a guess and a hunch. I think McKinnon is probably the only KC RB to own this year. With Prince as an almost required dart throw in the latest rounds.
 
Faust said:
Tommy Rezac
Isiah Pacheco, still in the no-contact jersey, has often been the first RB on the field during 7-on-7 and non-contact periods.

That’s the case today. He catches a quick dump off from Mahomes and takes off down the sideline. That man is ready for full contact when able. #Chiefs
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That’s good to hear. My perception has been that Reid wants Pacheco as the lead in the backfield. Hope that turns out to be true.
 
Isiah Pacheco’s hard-running style gives me flashbacks to another time share RB who I enjoyed watching: Marion Barber. Not a ton of touches but makes the most of the ones he’s got. Both built similarly too. Good news for Pacheco is there is no Julius Jones or Felix Jones for him to contend with on this Chiefs roster. Even if he only sees the same volume as he got in the second half of last season he’ll be a nice fantasy RB2.
 
Lansdowne said:
Isiah Pacheco’s hard-running style gives me flashbacks to another time share RB who I enjoyed watching: Marion Barber. Not a ton of touches but makes the most of the ones he’s got. Both built similarly too. Good news for Pacheco is there is no Julius Jones or Felix Jones for him to contend with on this Chiefs roster. Even if he only sees the same volume as he got in the second half of last season he’ll be a nice fantasy RB2.
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He’s also got one thing Barber didn’t, jets. We haven’t really seen that part of his game realized in the NFL yet but IP is likely going to hit some home runs this year. Not many RBs in the NFL with sub 4.4 speed.
 
How many times has a Manning/Edge or Warner/Faulk pairing truly materialize?

I like Pacheco a bit but this feels far more likely to end in up in the category of Joseph Addai, Donald Brown or any number of New England RBs that got trotted out during their run.

The plus side is it is not unusual for a team like the Chiefs to be top 10 in rushing TDs.
 
Ilov80s said:
Lansdowne said:
Isiah Pacheco’s hard-running style gives me flashbacks to another time share RB who I enjoyed watching: Marion Barber. Not a ton of touches but makes the most of the ones he’s got. Both built similarly too. Good news for Pacheco is there is no Julius Jones or Felix Jones for him to contend with on this Chiefs roster. Even if he only sees the same volume as he got in the second half of last season he’ll be a nice fantasy RB2.
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He’s also got one thing Barber didn’t, jets. We haven’t really seen that part of his game realized in the NFL yet but IP is likely going to hit some home runs this year. Not many RBs in the NFL with sub 4.4 speed.
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He will definitely get a couple of home runs this year as they have more of the offense designed around his skill set. He will also catch at least 30 balls
 
Chaka said:
How many times has a Manning/Edge or Warner/Faulk pairing truly materialize?

I like Pacheco a bit but this feels far more likely to end in up in the category of Joseph Addai, Donald Brown or any number of New England RBs that got trotted out during their run.

The plus side is it is not unusual for a team like the Chiefs to be top 10 in rushing TDs.
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Oh yeah I am a big IP supporter and 2-3 year run like Addai or earlier mentioned Barber had would be the dream scenario. I see absolutely no outcome anywhere where he becomes a perennial 1st round fantasy pick.
 
I'm out, another guy whose value far outweighs what you're likely to get. I think he's now at the point of being a bust after he's skyrocketed up draft boards. I have him in dynasty, not 100% convinced he comes back solid from the injuries and offseason surgeries. not buy it. J. McKinnon is going to be a PPR superman this season - check the lack of quality WR's in KC. McKinnon is older, but a tremendous receiver out of the backfield. They're going to use RBs more now because Skyy Moore and K. Toney both suck. One is hurt, the other is a never-has-been.
 
Chiefs coach Andy Reid said there’s a chance Isiah Pacheco (shoulder) could play in the team’s third preseason game against the Browns.
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Pacheco shed his non-contact jersey in practice and ran with the first-team offense in practice today. Even if he is held out of the Chiefs’ preseason finale, all signs point to him being ready to go for the team’s opener on Thursday Night Football against the Lions. Pacheco is poised to take on the bulk of the between-the-tackles work for the best offense in the NFL this year. Inching toward a clean bill of health at the right time, Pacheco is a strong bet to have a breakout second season.
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I play in an ancient standard scoring dynasty league and Pacheco got between 8-14 points for 12 games in a row to finish the season, with most games toward the high end. Zero dud games and zero explosive games.

His production doesn't excite anyone but he's a solid RB3 who you can count on to keep you afloat if your RB1 or RB2 goes down. Hard to imagine why Reid would alter his touches up or down based on the success of the offense last year.
 
Isiah Pacheco rushed eight times for 23 yards in the Chiefs’ Week 1 loss to the Lions, adding four receptions for 31 additional yards.

Bizarrely, Pacheco came off the bench behind Clyde Edwards-Helaire, who touched the ball on the first two plays from scrimmage. Pacheco then went on to out-touch him 12-7, while Jerick McKinnon received only one handle. It was strange usage, but Pacheco continued to look like by far the Chiefs’ best rushing option. He also out-targeted CEH and McKinnon’s combined total 4-3. We wouldn’t expect Andy Reid to get quite so cute in Week 2 against the Jaguars. Pacheco is a low-end RB2 right now.
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The Frankman said:
Isiah Pacheco rushed eight times for 23 yards in the Chiefs’ Week 1 loss to the Lions, adding four receptions for 31 additional yards.

Bizarrely, Pacheco came off the bench behind Clyde Edwards-Helaire, who touched the ball on the first two plays from scrimmage. Pacheco then went on to out-touch him 12-7, while Jerick McKinnon received only one handle. It was strange usage, but Pacheco continued to look like by far the Chiefs’ best rushing option. He also out-targeted CEH and McKinnon’s combined total 4-3. We wouldn’t expect Andy Reid to get quite so cute in Week 2 against the Jaguars. Pacheco is a low-end RB2 right now.
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"Pacheco is a low-end RB2 right now."

Really low...pedestrian low
 
Might not be a popular take but I think Pacheco is the classic better real NFL RB then fantasy RB. Don't see it translating to anything more then a rb3. Like James Cook. ***Ducks head****
 
FarFromHome said:
Might not be a popular take but I think Pacheco is the classic better real NFL RB then fantasy RB. Don't see it translating to anything more then a rb3.
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I was one of the people that was high on him as a 4th/5th round rookie pick last offseason that could surprise, but the truth is, the more I watch him, he's not even that good as a real NFL RB. He's fast and runs hard - but has no shiftiness and not so great vision - he just runs straight ahead as fast as he can with almost every handoff. I was surprised they did not upgrade the position this offseason. Between their average backfield and subpar WRs, Kelce can't come back fast enough.
 
Isiah Pacheco (hamstring contusion) didn’t practice Wednesday.
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Pacheco is banged up after gaining 70 yards on 12 rushes in Week 2 against the Jaguars. So far he has dominated rushing attempts in the (very) pass heavy Kansas City offense. Clyde Edwards-Helaire could see more early down work in Week 3 if Pacheco is sidelined. Pacheco drafters should keep close tabs on his Thursday and Friday practice status.
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Faust said:
Isiah Pacheco (hamstring contusion) didn’t practice Wednesday.
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Pacheco is banged up after gaining 70 yards on 12 rushes in Week 2 against the Jaguars. So far he has dominated rushing attempts in the (very) pass heavy Kansas City offense. Clyde Edwards-Helaire could see more early down work in Week 3 if Pacheco is sidelined. Pacheco drafters should keep close tabs on his Thursday and Friday practice status.
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Would McKinnon be the play if Pacheco is out?
 
need2know said:
Faust said:
Isiah Pacheco (hamstring contusion) didn’t practice Wednesday.
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Pacheco is banged up after gaining 70 yards on 12 rushes in Week 2 against the Jaguars. So far he has dominated rushing attempts in the (very) pass heavy Kansas City offense. Clyde Edwards-Helaire could see more early down work in Week 3 if Pacheco is sidelined. Pacheco drafters should keep close tabs on his Thursday and Friday practice status.
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Would McKinnon be the play if Pacheco is out?
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Probably but ideally no one. I can see CEH getting some bum run and Mahomes dumping off small passes to get a few gains. Can't see the Chiefs losing this game or trailing much here. This is a pretty good Pacheco game but they can afford to rest him a week. A hamstring issue for a power back who explodes each play ain't great.
 
TampaMike19 said:
A hamstring issue for a power back who explodes each play ain't great.
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Just to clarify, he has a hamstring contusion. Some soreness, limited participant both Thursday and Friday. Don't think he's in danger of missing the game or being on a pitch count.

Utilization went from 47% of rush attempts to 63% in Week 2, plus matchup, he has a history of having his best games when facing weak run defenses.
 
a potato chip with significant offseason shoulder and arm surgeries now has a hammy contusion? this is like the guy who misses camp early on, comes back and gets a hammy problem, and is out for 4 weeks of the regular season. not sure pacheco was ready to come back so fast, so early. seems like KC rushed him back. anyways, he's a boring ho-hum RB like David Montgomery, only Monty's stats were better because he was TD dependent weeks 1-2. Someone else mentioned that they're resting mckinnon for a 2nd half surge. they might turn to CEH in the meantime. why play pacheco against the bears, you play the odds here, they probably have a 98% chance of winning without pacheco, makes sense to sit him anyways.
 
Yeah I'd also be fine with ruling him out for this one, might leave me scrambling for options but seems like the correct IRL play
 
The late start to this game is an absolute killer. Reid is so tight lipped on injuries that I doubt we get Schefter clarity before the 1:00 games, forcing most of us to start a subpar 1:00 option. Such a juicy matchup, ugh.
 
Per NFL.com:

Kansas City Chiefs running back Isiah Pacheco (hamstring) is expected to play Sunday versus the Bears, NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported, per a source.
 
Schefter said he’s good to go. Playing him over Mattison. Half PPR. Last week I got burned switching. I don’t care how good Mattison matchup is.
 
Isiah Pacheco played on 32-of-56 snaps with Patrick Mahomes in the Chiefs’ Week 3 win over the Bears.

The raw snap numbers suggest some kind of a backfield split, but Pacheco was in on 51.1 percent of the snaps Mahomes played on — a season-high for the Chiefs’ RB1. If we look at it from this angle, Pacheco has seen an increased snap share in each of his last three games, and has totaled 202 yards from scrimmage and one touchdown through three games. Pacheco has handled 42.7 percent of the Chiefs’ rush attempts, but Clyde Edwards-Helaire saw 14 carries in the team’s Week 3 smashing of the Bears. Pacheco will have strong RB2 upside in Week 4 against the Jets.
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