RB J.K. Dobbins, DEN (7 Viewers)

[Absolutely Nothing]

With the upcoming matchup against the Chargers, I'm probably sitting him in favor of Pollard. With Harvey looming if Dobbins falters, I'm wondering if I should sell him at this medium-level price. Some juicy matchups coming up, but there's also a good number of bad matchups. Hoping he proves me wrong and can consistently provide RB2 value, but so far the touchdown dependency and crowded offense has me expecting some gross 7-10 point efforts.

 

[H8fulHuck]

It is a tough matchup though its also a revenge game after the team brought in Najee to replace him then drafted Hampton. I'll be starting Dobbins everywhere I have him.

 

[Faust]

J.K. Dobbins hopes to 'touch 100' rushing yards vs. former team in Broncos-Chargers

 

[Faust]

Underdog NFL
JK Dobbins tonight

16 attempts
101 rushing yards
6.3 YPC

First Broncos player with 100+ rushing yards since Latavius Murray in 2022.

https://x.com/underdognfl/status/1972858855135883325?s=61

 

[TheDirtyWord]

JK Dobbins missed 4 games last year with an MCL injury, which means after 4 games this year...we now have a 17-game sample of his production.

252 carries
1228 rushing yards
12 TD's
37 receptions
171 receiving yards (1399 Yards From Scrimmage)

...I mean, this is pretty solid production and his 17-game pace with the Broncos has him at 1450YFS/13TD pace.

Yet, I think pre-existing narratives (injury history/RJ Harvey) are still chipping away at perception. He still feels like the preferred option down by the GL. He looks great and that explosiveness he showcased early in his career seems back.

Am I missing something as to why folks aren't more excited about him?

 

[packer_junkie]

JK Dobbins missed 4 games last year with an MCL injury, which means after 4 games this year...we now have a 17-game sample of his production.

252 carries
1228 rushing yards
12 TD's
37 receptions
171 receiving yards (1399 Yards From Scrimmage)

...I mean, this is pretty solid production and his 17-game pace with the Broncos has him at 1450YFS/13TD pace.

Yet, I think pre-existing narratives (injury history/RJ Harvey) are still chipping away at perception. He still feels like the preferred option down by the GL. He looks great and that explosiveness he showcased early in his career seems back.

Am I missing something as to why folks aren't more excited about him?

I think his owners are happy and excited but most are just waiting for the injury or just wearing down?
I remember watching him end of last season and he didn't pass the eye test for me (I don't know what his numbers were) but maybe that was recovering from the mcl or the previous injuries-- he just looked like his legs were heavy

Led me to be pretty heavy on Harvey this year---> so far not a great move haha

 

[Doubles]

JK Dobbins missed 4 games last year with an MCL injury, which means after 4 games this year...we now have a 17-game sample of his production.

252 carries
1228 rushing yards
12 TD's
37 receptions
171 receiving yards (1399 Yards From Scrimmage)

...I mean, this is pretty solid production and his 17-game pace with the Broncos has him at 1450YFS/13TD pace.

Yet, I think pre-existing narratives (injury history/RJ Harvey) are still chipping away at perception. He still feels like the preferred option down by the GL. He looks great and that explosiveness he showcased early in his career seems back.

Am I missing something as to why folks aren't more excited about him?

Thoroughly enjoying the ride. My fear is that he gets injured, however. But I picked cmc at 1.2 and have Dobbins as my RB3/4 so let’s ride.

 

[Stoneworker]

It's the shiny new toy syndrome

FF managers inherently have a recency bias against vets because their warts are visible. And so they get heavily discounted

Meanwhile, mint condition rookies fresh off amazing college tape are automatically assumed to take over any given backfield from Day One.

The DEN backfield was always headed toward a 50/50 split (with situational sprinkles of Badie/MacLaughlin) based on Payton's philosophy plus the evidence during training camp/preseason.

 

[steelwind]

The DEN oline/blocking scheme is perfect for Dobbins. Every NFL RB should feel envious actually.
They create running lanes before Dobbins gets the handoff. I think the metric is called "yards before contact".
When I watched the game vs Cinn it was like watching porn for the first time.
I'm a Hou Texans fan btw LOL.

 

[Stoneworker]

The DEN oline/blocking scheme is perfect for Dobbins.

This is true

It's the exact same zone scheme/O-line as last year, but Dobbins has much better patience and vision than Javonte Williams. JW is much better in a power-based scheme as we're obviously seeing in DAL

 

[Faust]

Zack Kelberman
#Broncos RB J.K. Dobbins has the second-most carries of 10-plus yards (19) of any RB in the NFL this year, per @NextGenStats.

Dobbins also ranks third in total rushing yards (634) and third in rushing yards over expected (+158).

https://x.com/kelbermannfl/status/1983995156388032789?s=61

 

[Houston turmOiler]

Now if he could only score at the goalline and quit being replaced by Harvey.

 

[Drake Hater]

On the road at Houston is a tough matchup. I'm not excited about rolling him out this week.

 

[Faust]

Tom Pelissero
Broncos RB JK Dobbins suffered a foot injury on what appeared to be a hip-drop tackle Thursday night against the Raiders and is awaiting a second opinion, per source.

Dobbins still finished the game with two carries on the final drive to close out the win.

https://x.com/tompelissero/status/1986877777153270041?s=61

 

[menobrown]

The play: https://x.com/NickKosmider/status/1986882715699085362

 

[menobrown]

Dobbins seems less then pleased: https://x.com/Jkdobbins22/status/1986874401405767981

 

[kutta]

Hmm. Fire up Harvey?

 

[JohnnyU]

Hmm. Fire up Harvey?

Why?

 

[kutta]

Hmm. Fire up Harvey?

Why?

Because Dobbins may be hurt?

 

[kyoun1e]

Tom Pelissero
Broncos RB JK Dobbins suffered a foot injury on what appeared to be a hip-drop tackle Thursday night against the Raiders and is awaiting a second opinion, per source.

Dobbins still finished the game with two carries on the final drive to close out the win.

https://x.com/tompelissero/status/1986877777153270041?s=61

Getting a second opinion is usually not a good sign. Basically, they didn't like what they heard with the first opinion.

I may be misremembering, but didn't that happen with Bucky Irving?

 

[oldmanhawkins]

The play: https://x.com/NickKosmider/status/1986882715699085362

weird angle…wasn’t obvious to me that the defender intentionally dropped his weight into it.

 

[JohnnyU]

Hmm. Fire up Harvey?

Why?

Because Dobbins may be hurt?

I didn’t read enough to know he was hurt.

 

[kutta]

Hmm. Fire up Harvey?

Why?

Because Dobbins may be hurt?

I didn’t read enough to know he was hurt.

Well, read a couple posts up

 

[JohnnyU]

Hmm. Fire up Harvey?

Why?

Because Dobbins may be hurt?

I didn’t read enough to know he was hurt.

Well, read a couple posts up

I finally read it, thanks.

 

[kutta]

Hmm. Fire up Harvey?

Why?

Because Dobbins may be hurt?

I didn’t read enough to know he was hurt.

Well, read a couple posts up

I finally read it, thanks.

It sounds like it may not be a huge deal, but you never know. From rotoworld:

NFL Network’s Tom Pelissero reports Broncos RB JK Dobbins injured his foot in Week 10’s game against the Raiders and is “awaiting a second opinion.”
Dobbins did play through the injury and has a mini-bye, so this isn’t something that looks guaranteed to sideline him for Week 11. However, if Dobbins did sit, RJ Harvey would get a major boost in the rankings against the Chiefs. This is one to keep an eye on over the weekend and early next week.

 

[menobrown]

Hmm. Fire up Harvey?

Why?

Because Dobbins may be hurt?

I didn’t read enough to know he was hurt.

Well, read a couple posts up

I finally read it, thanks.

It sounds like it may not be a huge deal, but you never know. From rotoworld:

NFL Network’s Tom Pelissero reports Broncos RB JK Dobbins injured his foot in Week 10’s game against the Raiders and is “awaiting a second opinion.”
Dobbins did play through the injury and has a mini-bye, so this isn’t something that looks guaranteed to sideline him for Week 11. However, if Dobbins did sit, RJ Harvey would get a major boost in the rankings against the Chiefs. This is one to keep an eye on over the weekend and early next week.

Impossible to know right now the fact he was so upset about it is what makes me unsure. Fact he kept playing on it is a reason to be positive.

If he's just a little dinged up the Broncos schedule is set up he can sit out 24 days and only miss one game. Which btw seems like the kind of schedule teams should covet, to get this kind of rest and come out of in week 13 seems considerably favorable to me.

 

[Faust]

Underdog NFL
JK Dobbins is the only player in the NFL with 60+ rushing yards in 9 games this season.

https://x.com/underdognfl/status/1986648022399525322?s=61

 

[Stoneworker]

“A midfoot sprain fits but there’s different degrees,’’ said Dr. Robert Chao of Pro Football Doc. “I think it’s a grade one midfoot sprain. But mild is still significant for a running back.”
Dr. Chao added with the help from this weekend’s mini bye, there’s reason to hope Dobbins will be able to play in the Broncos’ next game next Sunday against the Kansas City Chiefs, even if he won’t be at 100 percent.

 

[loonzilla]

Well, this isn't good...

https://x.com/adamlevitan/status/1988339725846147169

 

[Houston turmOiler]

Cool. Another injury. Can't say im surprised considering it's Dobbins.

So excited to start the Titans backfield in my RB spots now in League Uno. Woohoo.

 

[kyoun1e]

Can't wait for Payton to screw Harvey owners playing Badie and Jaleel.

 

[H8fulHuck]

Cool. Another injury. Can't say im surprised considering it's Dobbins.

Good point. Hip drop tackle landed on his foot. Another RB wouldn’t have been hurt

 

[Houston turmOiler]

Cool. Another injury. Can't say im surprised considering it's Dobbins.

Good point. Hip drop tackle landed on his foot. Another RB wouldn’t have been hurt

True, not really his fault. Still sucks, and ya never really know.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

“A midfoot sprain fits but there’s different degrees,’’ said Dr. Robert Chao of Pro Football Doc. “I think it’s a grade one midfoot sprain. But mild is still significant for a running back.”
Dr. Chao added with the help from this weekend’s mini bye, there’s reason to hope Dobbins will be able to play in the Broncos’ next game next Sunday against the Kansas City Chiefs, even if he won’t be at 100 percent.

IANAP*, but I am once again invoking Ignatius J Reilly's Iron-Clad Rule of Football Injuries, which is that foot injuries -- mid-foot sprains, Jones fractures, Lis-Franc -- are always and everywhere worse than initially reported. At least with ACLs and Achilles tears you know right away that the guy's out for the season. But with foot injuries, he's always potentially going to be back this Sunday, and they keep this charade up for well beyond the four weeks of an IR stint before finally admitting they're shutting him down. We're currently at various stages of this process with Joe Mixon and Bucky Irving. In Mixon's case, he hasn't been officially put on IR yet, but no one expects him back. I'm wondering if we may hear similar news for Irving soon.

All of which is to say, I would rate Harvey a strong buy at the moment, because I don't think the potential severity of Dobbins' injury is being fully priced in


* I Am Not a Podiatrist ...

 

[JohnnyU]

I like this MD explaining the mid foot sprain and Dobbins - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly3cmqFr4ho

 

[Payne]

I like this MD explaining the mid foot sprain and Dobbins - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly3cmqFr4ho

Does this guy have a show on Sirius?

 

[JohnnyU]

I like this MD explaining the mid foot sprain and Dobbins - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly3cmqFr4ho

Does this guy have a show on Sirius?

I have no idea. I've only watch a few of his videos on YouTube.

 

[tkrull2.0]

Cool. Another injury. Can't say im surprised considering it's Dobbins.

Good point. Hip drop tackle landed on his foot. Another RB wouldn’t have been hurt

I'm just relieved that they've outlawed the hip drop tackle...

 

[menobrown]

Timing stinks for Denver after the trade deadline but they are going to have to find a bigger, more physical style of RB, right? Not sure who is available. I thought of them bringing Estime back but Saints signed him to the active roster last week so they can't poach him from the practice squad, if both parties were interested in that.

 

[rockaction]

Timing stinks for Denver after the trade deadline but they are going to have to find a bigger, more physical style of RB, right? Not sure who is available. I thought of them bringing Estime back but Saints signed him to the active roster last week so they can't poach him from the practice squad, if both parties were interested in that.

Interesting thoughts. Gotta be a sort-of retread, one would think. Payton wants guys who know the ins and outs of the game. It’s hard to imagine a rookie unless he’s totally savvy. Neither Breece nor anybody akin is slipping through waivers to them. Kamara maybe on salary owed? Unlikely.

I’ll look at the guys still on the MFL list in my league. Payton’s dialed in. Look for a still-athletic guy on the PS’s. I have a good idea, but nflrumors.com has the squads and up to date if you can get past comic sans. Profootballrumors also reports and check the Twitter Denver beats.

eta* Denver Post has Troy Renck and Parker Gabriel covering them, among others. They are beat reporters. Cecil Lammey from FBG has always had opinions on Denver and was sourced for a time. Ben Cummins of FBG (you should all follow him) is a Denver fan and is I think from there, but I don't think he adds original reporting (but he'll be abreast of the good reports, you can be sure).

https://x.com/ParkerJGabriel
Parker Gabriel
https://x.com/ParkerJGabriel
@ParkerJGabriel
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19h

So no immediate move with RB J.K. Dobbins today for the #Broncos. Reported Friday that they were working through gathering info and opinions on the foot injury he sustained Thursday and source said today they’re still working through finalizing a plan.

 

[warpig33]

Timing stinks for Denver after the trade deadline but they are going to have to find a bigger, more physical style of RB, right? Not sure who is available. I thought of them bringing Estime back but Saints signed him to the active roster last week so they can't poach him from the practice squad, if both parties were interested in that.

Interesting thoughts. Gotta be a sort-of retread, one would think. Payton wants guys who know the ins and outs of the game. It’s hard to imagine a rookie unless he’s totally savvy. Neither Breece nor anybody akin is slipping through waivers to them. Kamara maybe on salary owed? Unlikely.

I’ll look at the guys still on the MFL list in my league. Payton’s dialed in. Look for a still-athletic guy on the PS’s. I have a good idea, but nflrumors.com has the squads and up to date if you can get past comic sans. Profootballrumors also reports and check the Twitter Denver beats.

I'm assuming it would have to be someone familiar with his system too. Someone he's had experience with...regardless of their ability.

 

[rockaction]

Timing stinks for Denver after the trade deadline but they are going to have to find a bigger, more physical style of RB, right? Not sure who is available. I thought of them bringing Estime back but Saints signed him to the active roster last week so they can't poach him from the practice squad, if both parties were interested in that.

Interesting thoughts. Gotta be a sort-of retread, one would think. Payton wants guys who know the ins and outs of the game. It’s hard to imagine a rookie unless he’s totally savvy. Neither Breece nor anybody akin is slipping through waivers to them. Kamara maybe on salary owed? Unlikely.

I’ll look at the guys still on the MFL list in my league. Payton’s dialed in. Look for a still-athletic guy on the PS’s. I have a good idea, but nflrumors.com has the squads and up to date if you can get past comic sans. Profootballrumors also reports and check the Twitter Denver beats.

I'm assuming it would have to be someone familiar with his system too. Someone he's had experience with...regardless of their ability.

He'd probably prefer it, but I'm not sure if—with their aspirations and style—that a non-Payton back is a disqualifying thing.

 

[Catbird]

Post deadline, it seems pretty clear it's Dobbins (if he can go), Harvey if Dobbins can't, and some mix of Badie and McLaughlin behind those two. The chance of someone unfamiliar with the scheme and not talented enough to be on a roster or practice squad stepping i seems very remote. Go RJ!

 

[menobrown]

Timing stinks for Denver after the trade deadline but they are going to have to find a bigger, more physical style of RB, right? Not sure who is available. I thought of them bringing Estime back but Saints signed him to the active roster last week so they can't poach him from the practice squad, if both parties were interested in that.

Interesting thoughts. Gotta be a sort-of retread, one would think. Payton wants guys who know the ins and outs of the game. It’s hard to imagine a rookie unless he’s totally savvy. Neither Breece nor anybody akin is slipping through waivers to them. Kamara maybe on salary owed? Unlikely.

I’ll look at the guys still on the MFL list in my league. Payton’s dialed in. Look for a still-athletic guy on the PS’s. I have a good idea, but nflrumors.com has the squads and up to date if you can get past comic sans. Profootballrumors also reports and check the Twitter Denver beats.

A retread for sure and I can't even think of who is available and anyone cut has to pass through waivers so no team can try some wink/wink type deal to release a player, like say AJ Dillon, so they can sign with Denver.

Maybe they double dip on Chargers throw aways and grab Gus Edwards?

 

[rockaction]

Ben Cummins
@BenCumminsFF
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17h

This is how (Jakob's take) I see it. I don’t have the exact quote but the sideline reporter before TNF last week reported Sean Payton sees RJ Harvey as a star and the only reason the production hadn’t matched that yet was because one man…JK Dobbins.This was a Dobbins playing well thing.
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Jakob Sanderson

@JakobSanderson
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19h
Suspect this will be a popular view b/c of frustration with Payton but I disagree pretty strongly.Dobbins has been balling this year and earned his role. The backs behind RJ are all tiny.

Check this link. This is Jakob's thread on RJ Harvey. But Ben and Jakob sort of "best ball" chum together and they have specific takes on specific players they adhere to so caveat emptor if you're taking it as gospel. Just be aware, They're very good, though.

https://x.com/JakobSanderson/status/1988378168299057354?s=20

 

[menobrown]

Post deadline, it seems pretty clear it's Dobbins (if he can go), Harvey if Dobbins can't, and some mix of Badie and McLaughlin behind those two. The chance of someone unfamiliar with the scheme and not talented enough to be on a roster or practice squad stepping i seems very remote. Go RJ!

No it's not remote. It's not a hard position to grasp and all 3 of those Rb's are finesse backs.

 

[rockaction]

Post deadline, it seems pretty clear it's Dobbins (if he can go), Harvey if Dobbins can't, and some mix of Badie and McLaughlin behind those two. The chance of someone unfamiliar with the scheme and not talented enough to be on a roster or practice squad stepping i seems very remote. Go RJ!

Probably, but as a commenter on X/Twitter noted to Sanderson, "Sean Payton doesn't do logic," and they also will sign (almost a guarantee), as menobrown said (and you all should listen to meno, too—he's clued in to the beats and his analysis is right a whole lot) a bigger back.

 

[Stoneworker]

Timing stinks for Denver after the trade deadline but they are going to have to find a bigger, more physical style of RB, right? Not sure who is available. I thought of them bringing Estime back but Saints signed him to the active roster last week so they can't poach him from the practice squad, if both parties were interested in that.

JMO but I don't think this will happen. Payton was comfortable trading off size for ability/versatility when he kept Jaleel on the 53-man and cut Estime loose after training camp. Blake Watson was also well ahead of Estime on the depth chart prior to getting injured. Denver's only PS RB at the moment is Deuce Vaughn, who is hardly a bruiser.

 

[rockaction]

Timing stinks for Denver after the trade deadline but they are going to have to find a bigger, more physical style of RB, right? Not sure who is available. I thought of them bringing Estime back but Saints signed him to the active roster last week so they can't poach him from the practice squad, if both parties were interested in that.

JMO but I don't think this will happen. Payton was comfortable trading off size for ability/versatility when he kept Jaleel on the 53-man and cut Estime loose after training camp. Blake Watson was also well ahead of Estime on the depth chart prior to getting injured. Denver's only PS RB at the moment is Deuce Vaughn, who is hardly a bruiser.

Also noted. You're pretty clued-in also by virtue of really following the team. My only response is that it is a small sample size by virtue of time there. Even when Payton had Kamara and loved him he had a bigger back that carried the ball 10-15 times.

And I'm out to tend to my own stuff. Good luck.

 

[tkrull2.0]

Mark Ingram...come on down!