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RB Jahmyr Gibbs, DET (5 Viewers)

The change-of-pace back typically has a high ypc because they get the 3rd-and-20 draws for 12 yards? He “botched” his only inside the 5 carry and they opted for a goff naked bootleg after instead. That seems like a devastating indictment.
 
He’s not going to play much until “the lightbulb comes on” according to Dan Campbell. If he’s not getting explosive plays, he is a jag and no better than Montgomery

Can you please share a link for the Campbell quote?
Found it boss. The actual quote is a little different.

So Campbell doesn't think he's playing well. This is exactly what I said.

What part of the article you quoted says Campbell doesn't think he's playing well? https://sidelionreport.com/posts/da...-on-the-bone-in-running-game-for-jahmyr-gibbs
He's been leaving a lot of meat on the bone, unrealized yardage, etc.

That's coach speak for he's not playing well.

Thanks. We'll disagree there. In the context of the coachspeak, I think he's saying what a lot are seeing, he's tough and talented and has room to be better.

And then "Because I think this kid’s pretty tough and I do think he’s got vision and he’s only going to get better with time. When this lightbulb really, really comes on, I think it’s going to be something special. We’ll just keep coaching him up."

This all seems pretty normal and expected. :shrug:
Seriously? The entire first paragraph was about "what could have been".
A little too soon to be concerned with "what could have been". Fantasy players are a fickle bunch. They expect instant gratification, or perhaps that's the way with this current generation.
Huh? Did you read the article? It was their coach who was a talking about how he expected more.

Lol at "this current generation ".
Coach is just trying to get the most out of him thru motivation. You people throwing mud at Gibbs at this point in his career really need to take a step back and understand what you have in Gibbs long term, not after a few games.
We get it. You play dynasty.
My attorney will be sending you a cease and desist order for using my shtick without permission.
Lol I loved when you said it. I knew I stole it from someone here.
 
He’s not going to play much until “the lightbulb comes on” according to Dan Campbell. If he’s not getting explosive plays, he is a jag and no better than Montgomery

Can you please share a link for the Campbell quote?
Found it boss. The actual quote is a little different.

So Campbell doesn't think he's playing well. This is exactly what I said.

What part of the article you quoted says Campbell doesn't think he's playing well? https://sidelionreport.com/posts/da...-on-the-bone-in-running-game-for-jahmyr-gibbs
He's been leaving a lot of meat on the bone, unrealized yardage, etc.

That's coach speak for he's not playing well.

Thanks. We'll disagree there. In the context of the coachspeak, I think he's saying what a lot are seeing, he's tough and talented and has room to be better.

And then "Because I think this kid’s pretty tough and I do think he’s got vision and he’s only going to get better with time. When this lightbulb really, really comes on, I think it’s going to be something special. We’ll just keep coaching him up."

This all seems pretty normal and expected. :shrug:
Seriously? The entire first paragraph was about "what could have been".
A little too soon to be concerned with "what could have been". Fantasy players are a fickle bunch. They expect instant gratification, or perhaps that's the way with this current generation.
Huh? Did you read the article? It was their coach who was a talking about how he expected more.

Lol at "this current generation ".
Coach is just trying to get the most out of him thru motivation. You people throwing mud at Gibbs at this point in his career really need to take a step back and understand what you have in Gibbs long term, not after a few games.
We get it. You play dynasty.
My attorney will be sending you a cease and desist order for using my shtick without permission.
Lol I loved when you said it. I knew I stole it from someone here.
If you don't like dynasty references in the discussion ignore the post instead of making snarky comments.
 
He’s not going to play much until “the lightbulb comes on” according to Dan Campbell. If he’s not getting explosive plays, he is a jag and no better than Montgomery

Can you please share a link for the Campbell quote?
Found it boss. The actual quote is a little different.

So Campbell doesn't think he's playing well. This is exactly what I said.

What part of the article you quoted says Campbell doesn't think he's playing well? https://sidelionreport.com/posts/da...-on-the-bone-in-running-game-for-jahmyr-gibbs
He's been leaving a lot of meat on the bone, unrealized yardage, etc.

That's coach speak for he's not playing well.

Thanks. We'll disagree there. In the context of the coachspeak, I think he's saying what a lot are seeing, he's tough and talented and has room to be better.

And then "Because I think this kid’s pretty tough and I do think he’s got vision and he’s only going to get better with time. When this lightbulb really, really comes on, I think it’s going to be something special. We’ll just keep coaching him up."

This all seems pretty normal and expected. :shrug:
Seriously? The entire first paragraph was about "what could have been".
A little too soon to be concerned with "what could have been". Fantasy players are a fickle bunch. They expect instant gratification, or perhaps that's the way with this current generation.
Huh? Did you read the article? It was their coach who was a talking about how he expected more.

Lol at "this current generation ".
Coach is just trying to get the most out of him thru motivation. You people throwing mud at Gibbs at this point in his career really need to take a step back and understand what you have in Gibbs long term, not after a few games.
We get it. You play dynasty.
My attorney will be sending you a cease and desist order for using my shtick without permission.
Lol I loved when you said it. I knew I stole it from someone here.
If you don't like dynasty references in the discussion ignore the post instead of making snarky comments.
I don't think any offense was intended.

It's kinda your thing.
 
He’s not going to play much until “the lightbulb comes on” according to Dan Campbell. If he’s not getting explosive plays, he is a jag and no better than Montgomery

Can you please share a link for the Campbell quote?
Found it boss. The actual quote is a little different.

So Campbell doesn't think he's playing well. This is exactly what I said.

What part of the article you quoted says Campbell doesn't think he's playing well? https://sidelionreport.com/posts/da...-on-the-bone-in-running-game-for-jahmyr-gibbs
He's been leaving a lot of meat on the bone, unrealized yardage, etc.

That's coach speak for he's not playing well.

Thanks. We'll disagree there. In the context of the coachspeak, I think he's saying what a lot are seeing, he's tough and talented and has room to be better.

And then "Because I think this kid’s pretty tough and I do think he’s got vision and he’s only going to get better with time. When this lightbulb really, really comes on, I think it’s going to be something special. We’ll just keep coaching him up."

This all seems pretty normal and expected. :shrug:
Seriously? The entire first paragraph was about "what could have been".
A little too soon to be concerned with "what could have been". Fantasy players are a fickle bunch. They expect instant gratification, or perhaps that's the way with this current generation.
Huh? Did you read the article? It was their coach who was a talking about how he expected more.

Lol at "this current generation ".
Coach is just trying to get the most out of him thru motivation. You people throwing mud at Gibbs at this point in his career really need to take a step back and understand what you have in Gibbs long term, not after a few games.
We get it. You play dynasty.
My attorney will be sending you a cease and desist order for using my shtick without permission.
Lol I loved when you said it. I knew I stole it from someone here.
If you don't like dynasty references in the discussion ignore the post instead of making snarky comments.
I don't think any offense was intended.

It's kinda your thing.
Explain
 
He’s not going to play much until “the lightbulb comes on” according to Dan Campbell. If he’s not getting explosive plays, he is a jag and no better than Montgomery

Can you please share a link for the Campbell quote?
Found it boss. The actual quote is a little different.

So Campbell doesn't think he's playing well. This is exactly what I said.

What part of the article you quoted says Campbell doesn't think he's playing well? https://sidelionreport.com/posts/da...-on-the-bone-in-running-game-for-jahmyr-gibbs
He's been leaving a lot of meat on the bone, unrealized yardage, etc.

That's coach speak for he's not playing well.

Thanks. We'll disagree there. In the context of the coachspeak, I think he's saying what a lot are seeing, he's tough and talented and has room to be better.

And then "Because I think this kid’s pretty tough and I do think he’s got vision and he’s only going to get better with time. When this lightbulb really, really comes on, I think it’s going to be something special. We’ll just keep coaching him up."

This all seems pretty normal and expected. :shrug:
Seriously? The entire first paragraph was about "what could have been".
A little too soon to be concerned with "what could have been". Fantasy players are a fickle bunch. They expect instant gratification, or perhaps that's the way with this current generation.
Huh? Did you read the article? It was their coach who was a talking about how he expected more.

Lol at "this current generation ".
Coach is just trying to get the most out of him thru motivation. You people throwing mud at Gibbs at this point in his career really need to take a step back and understand what you have in Gibbs long term, not after a few games.
We get it. You play dynasty.
My attorney will be sending you a cease and desist order for using my shtick without permission.
Lol I loved when you said it. I knew I stole it from someone here.
If you don't like dynasty references in the discussion ignore the post instead of making snarky comments.
Starting off a sentence with "you people"... no snarkiness there.
 
He’s not going to play much until “the lightbulb comes on” according to Dan Campbell. If he’s not getting explosive plays, he is a jag and no better than Montgomery

Can you please share a link for the Campbell quote?
Found it boss. The actual quote is a little different.

So Campbell doesn't think he's playing well. This is exactly what I said.

What part of the article you quoted says Campbell doesn't think he's playing well? https://sidelionreport.com/posts/da...-on-the-bone-in-running-game-for-jahmyr-gibbs
He's been leaving a lot of meat on the bone, unrealized yardage, etc.

That's coach speak for he's not playing well.

Thanks. We'll disagree there. In the context of the coachspeak, I think he's saying what a lot are seeing, he's tough and talented and has room to be better.

And then "Because I think this kid’s pretty tough and I do think he’s got vision and he’s only going to get better with time. When this lightbulb really, really comes on, I think it’s going to be something special. We’ll just keep coaching him up."

This all seems pretty normal and expected. :shrug:
Seriously? The entire first paragraph was about "what could have been".
A little too soon to be concerned with "what could have been". Fantasy players are a fickle bunch. They expect instant gratification, or perhaps that's the way with this current generation.
Huh? Did you read the article? It was their coach who was a talking about how he expected more.

Lol at "this current generation ".
Coach is just trying to get the most out of him thru motivation. You people throwing mud at Gibbs at this point in his career really need to take a step back and understand what you have in Gibbs long term, not after a few games.
We get it. You play dynasty.
My attorney will be sending you a cease and desist order for using my shtick without permission.
Lol I loved when you said it. I knew I stole it from someone here.
If you don't like dynasty references in the discussion ignore the post instead of making snarky comments.
Starting off a sentence with "you people"... no snarkiness there.
I suppose I need to differentiate between dynasty and redraft on each post even better than I do. Saying, we get it, you play dynasty” is stupid. We all know that redraft and dynasty discussions are intermingled in these player threads, ignore it if you know I’m talking dynasty and are only interested in redraft.
 
He’s not going to play much until “the lightbulb comes on” according to Dan Campbell. If he’s not getting explosive plays, he is a jag and no better than Montgomery

Can you please share a link for the Campbell quote?
Found it boss. The actual quote is a little different.

So Campbell doesn't think he's playing well. This is exactly what I said.

What part of the article you quoted says Campbell doesn't think he's playing well? https://sidelionreport.com/posts/da...-on-the-bone-in-running-game-for-jahmyr-gibbs
He's been leaving a lot of meat on the bone, unrealized yardage, etc.

That's coach speak for he's not playing well.

Thanks. We'll disagree there. In the context of the coachspeak, I think he's saying what a lot are seeing, he's tough and talented and has room to be better.

And then "Because I think this kid’s pretty tough and I do think he’s got vision and he’s only going to get better with time. When this lightbulb really, really comes on, I think it’s going to be something special. We’ll just keep coaching him up."

This all seems pretty normal and expected. :shrug:
Seriously? The entire first paragraph was about "what could have been".
A little too soon to be concerned with "what could have been". Fantasy players are a fickle bunch. They expect instant gratification, or perhaps that's the way with this current generation.
Huh? Did you read the article? It was their coach who was a talking about how he expected more.

Lol at "this current generation ".
Coach is just trying to get the most out of him thru motivation. You people throwing mud at Gibbs at this point in his career really need to take a step back and understand what you have in Gibbs long term, not after a few games.
We get it. You play dynasty.
My attorney will be sending you a cease and desist order for using my shtick without permission.
Lol I loved when you said it. I knew I stole it from someone here.
If you don't like dynasty references in the discussion ignore the post instead of making snarky comments.
I don't think any offense was intended.

It's kinda your thing.
Explain
Last weeks waiver wire thread you were beating the drum, about the differences between redraft and dynasty waivers.

It kinda stuck, ask around.

It isn't a negative association just something that was observed.
 
He’s not going to play much until “the lightbulb comes on” according to Dan Campbell. If he’s not getting explosive plays, he is a jag and no better than Montgomery

Can you please share a link for the Campbell quote?
Found it boss. The actual quote is a little different.

So Campbell doesn't think he's playing well. This is exactly what I said.

What part of the article you quoted says Campbell doesn't think he's playing well? https://sidelionreport.com/posts/da...-on-the-bone-in-running-game-for-jahmyr-gibbs
He's been leaving a lot of meat on the bone, unrealized yardage, etc.

That's coach speak for he's not playing well.

Thanks. We'll disagree there. In the context of the coachspeak, I think he's saying what a lot are seeing, he's tough and talented and has room to be better.

And then "Because I think this kid’s pretty tough and I do think he’s got vision and he’s only going to get better with time. When this lightbulb really, really comes on, I think it’s going to be something special. We’ll just keep coaching him up."

This all seems pretty normal and expected. :shrug:
Seriously? The entire first paragraph was about "what could have been".
A little too soon to be concerned with "what could have been". Fantasy players are a fickle bunch. They expect instant gratification, or perhaps that's the way with this current generation.
Huh? Did you read the article? It was their coach who was a talking about how he expected more.

Lol at "this current generation ".
Coach is just trying to get the most out of him thru motivation. You people throwing mud at Gibbs at this point in his career really need to take a step back and understand what you have in Gibbs long term, not after a few games.
We get it. You play dynasty.
My attorney will be sending you a cease and desist order for using my shtick without permission.
Lol I loved when you said it. I knew I stole it from someone here.
If you don't like dynasty references in the discussion ignore the post instead of making snarky comments.
I don't think any offense was intended.

It's kinda your thing.
Explain
Last weeks waiver wire thread you were beating the drum, about the differences between redraft and dynasty waivers.

It kinda stuck, ask around.

It isn't a negative association just something that was observed.
This is a player thread, not a waiver thread, so references to both redraft and dynasty are made all the time in player threads. I pointed out in the waiver thread we probably need one for redraft and dynasty, but made no assumptions in player threads, only discussion that happens to mostly be from a dynasty perspective from my end.
 
The change-of-pace back typically has a high ypc because they get the 3rd-and-20 draws for 12 yards? He “botched” his only inside the 5 carry and they opted for a goff naked bootleg after instead. That seems like a devastating indictment.

Let’s look at that in context:
  • Goff short +YAC to ARSB 17
  • Gibbs left tackle 4
  • Gibbs left tackle 12
  • Gibbs left tackle 21
  • Gibbs right tackle 0
  • Goff short to ARSB 5
  • Goff pulls ball back on RPO/read option bc the edge has vacated & scores from 3
Not a bootleg. No Gibbs attempt from inside the 5.

On the season he’s 10-45 on A gap runs (btwn C/G) and 6-34 on B gap runs (btwn G/T.) Pretty good inside efficiency for a 199 lb back.
Man, get out of here with these facts!! This is a narrative-driven discussion! ;)
 
He’s not going to play much until “the lightbulb comes on” according to Dan Campbell. If he’s not getting explosive plays, he is a jag and no better than Montgomery

Can you please share a link for the Campbell quote?
Found it boss. The actual quote is a little different.

So Campbell doesn't think he's playing well. This is exactly what I said.

What part of the article you quoted says Campbell doesn't think he's playing well? https://sidelionreport.com/posts/da...-on-the-bone-in-running-game-for-jahmyr-gibbs
He's been leaving a lot of meat on the bone, unrealized yardage, etc.

That's coach speak for he's not playing well.

Thanks. We'll disagree there. In the context of the coachspeak, I think he's saying what a lot are seeing, he's tough and talented and has room to be better.

And then "Because I think this kid’s pretty tough and I do think he’s got vision and he’s only going to get better with time. When this lightbulb really, really comes on, I think it’s going to be something special. We’ll just keep coaching him up."

This all seems pretty normal and expected. :shrug:
Seriously? The entire first paragraph was about "what could have been".
A little too soon to be concerned with "what could have been". Fantasy players are a fickle bunch. They expect instant gratification, or perhaps that's the way with this current generation.
Huh? Did you read the article? It was their coach who was a talking about how he expected more.

Lol at "this current generation ".
Coach is just trying to get the most out of him thru motivation. You people throwing mud at Gibbs at this point in his career really need to take a step back and understand what you have in Gibbs long term, not after a few games.
We get it. You play dynasty.
My attorney will be sending you a cease and desist order for using my shtick without permission.
Lol I loved when you said it. I knew I stole it from someone here.
If you don't like dynasty references in the discussion ignore the post instead of making snarky comments.
I don't think any offense was intended.

It's kinda your thing.
Explain
Last weeks waiver wire thread you were beating the drum, about the differences between redraft and dynasty waivers.

It kinda stuck, ask around.

It isn't a negative association just something that was observed.
This is a player thread, not a waiver thread, so references to both redraft and dynasty are made all the time in player threads. I pointed out in the waiver thread we probably need one for redraft and dynasty, but made no assumptions in player threads, only discussion that happens to mostly be from a dynasty perspective from my end.
You asked for an explanation, that's all I provided.

It's okay to smile every now and again. Personally, I'm a big fan of your work in the SP.
 
Anywho, so the boner appears to be that the Lions drafted this guy much too early. In order to accurately assess the situation, you need to pretend this cat was taken 10 to 20 spots later than he actually was.


The good news is, he's still a rookie so his efficiency and production will steadily improve but he is firmly in RB3 territory.

I can't blame coach. Goff looks good passing and Montgomery looks better than any point in his career. They have the luxury of letting the rookie develop. Fun for everyone except fantasy football players.
 
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Anywho, so the boner appears to be that the Lions drafted this guy much too early. In order to accurately assess the situation, you need to pretend this cat was taken 10 to 20 spots later than he actually was.


The good news is, he's still a rookie so his efficiency and production will steadily produce but he is firmly in RB3 territory.

I can't blame coach. Goff looks good passing and Montgomery looks better than any point in his career. They have the luxury of letting the rookie develop. Fun for everyone except fantasy football players.
This is a very balanced and rational take. Reality is that once practices and games start, it shouldn’t matter where a guy got drafted. If Gibbs had been an early 2nd, how would people view him today? COP guy with upside for a bigger role if things click for him over time. I’m a fan, but it doesn’t look like he’s trending toward Kamara-as-a-rookie level performance (so far).
 
Redraft or dynasty, the fact of the matter is some rookies take longer to develop than others. I get the frustration from the redraft crowd considering the early ROI isn’t anywhere near the ADP cost it took to get him. A bet on Gibbs is a bet on the marriage of the high scoring Lions offense and Gibbs’ enticing skill-set seeing the appropriate volume. But it was also a bet against Montgomery getting enough volume on his own to effect Gibbs’ value.

So far Gibbs owners are losing that bet. No one wants to be caught holding the bag in the 3rd round drafting a backup RB, but that’s what Gibbs is at this time. Still think you have to bench him and plug a better RB option (if you have one) until Gibbs gets more consistent involvement.

Kamara is the Saints RB that keeps getting comped but I can’t help but think of this situation being like when Reggie Bush came in and was expected to lead the Saints backfield but it was still Deuce McAllister as the leading rusher. But Bush still led in total yards and was only 2 behind in total TDs. That is your best case scenario if you’re a Gibbs owner. As far as dynasty goes, if I had him I wouldn’t change my valuation of him at all. There’s no reason to panic 4 weeks in. Only if you’re in redraft and have to pivot to another starter for your lineup, it’s at the point where it needs to be evaluated.
 
He’s not going to play much until “the lightbulb comes on” according to Dan Campbell. If he’s not getting explosive plays, he is a jag and no better than Montgomery

Can you please share a link for the Campbell quote?
Found it boss. The actual quote is a little different.

So Campbell doesn't think he's playing well. This is exactly what I said.

What part of the article you quoted says Campbell doesn't think he's playing well? https://sidelionreport.com/posts/da...-on-the-bone-in-running-game-for-jahmyr-gibbs
He's been leaving a lot of meat on the bone, unrealized yardage, etc.

That's coach speak for he's not playing well.

Thanks. We'll disagree there. In the context of the coachspeak, I think he's saying what a lot are seeing, he's tough and talented and has room to be better.

And then "Because I think this kid’s pretty tough and I do think he’s got vision and he’s only going to get better with time. When this lightbulb really, really comes on, I think it’s going to be something special. We’ll just keep coaching him up."

This all seems pretty normal and expected. :shrug:
Seriously? The entire first paragraph was about "what could have been".
A little too soon to be concerned with "what could have been". Fantasy players are a fickle bunch. They expect instant gratification, or perhaps that's the way with this current generation.
Huh? Did you read the article? It was their coach who was a talking about how he expected more.

Lol at "this current generation ".
Coach is just trying to get the most out of him thru motivation. You people throwing mud at Gibbs at this point in his career really need to take a step back and understand what you have in Gibbs long term, not after a few games.
I own him in dynasty, so you can save the "you people" nonsense.

Tell me, oh prescient one, what do we have in Gibbs long term? The truth is that we have no idea- as much as people want to pretend that he's going to get so much better, it's far from a guarantee that he will.
 
He’s not going to play much until “the lightbulb comes on” according to Dan Campbell. If he’s not getting explosive plays, he is a jag and no better than Montgomery

Can you please share a link for the Campbell quote?
Found it boss. The actual quote is a little different.

So Campbell doesn't think he's playing well. This is exactly what I said.

What part of the article you quoted says Campbell doesn't think he's playing well? https://sidelionreport.com/posts/da...-on-the-bone-in-running-game-for-jahmyr-gibbs
He's been leaving a lot of meat on the bone, unrealized yardage, etc.

That's coach speak for he's not playing well.

Thanks. We'll disagree there. In the context of the coachspeak, I think he's saying what a lot are seeing, he's tough and talented and has room to be better.

And then "Because I think this kid’s pretty tough and I do think he’s got vision and he’s only going to get better with time. When this lightbulb really, really comes on, I think it’s going to be something special. We’ll just keep coaching him up."

This all seems pretty normal and expected. :shrug:
Seriously? The entire first paragraph was about "what could have been".
A little too soon to be concerned with "what could have been". Fantasy players are a fickle bunch. They expect instant gratification, or perhaps that's the way with this current generation.
Huh? Did you read the article? It was their coach who was a talking about how he expected more.

Lol at "this current generation ".
Coach is just trying to get the most out of him thru motivation. You people throwing mud at Gibbs at this point in his career really need to take a step back and understand what you have in Gibbs long term, not after a few games.
I own him in dynasty, so you can save the "you people" nonsense.

Tell me, oh prescient one, what do we have in Gibbs long term? The truth is that we have no idea- as much as people want to pretend that he's going to get so much better, it's far from a guarantee that he will.
Snark doesn't really help anyone.

We don't know what Gibbs will be. He's not as good as we hoped so far. But he's also been much better than some are trying to say.

His shortcomings so far is as a receiver. As a runner he's been very good.

He's still on pace for 1,000 yards with 60 receptions. Not as good as hoped for but not all doom and gloom either.
 
He’s not going to play much until “the lightbulb comes on” according to Dan Campbell. If he’s not getting explosive plays, he is a jag and no better than Montgomery

Can you please share a link for the Campbell quote?
Found it boss. The actual quote is a little different.

So Campbell doesn't think he's playing well. This is exactly what I said.

What part of the article you quoted says Campbell doesn't think he's playing well? https://sidelionreport.com/posts/da...-on-the-bone-in-running-game-for-jahmyr-gibbs
He's been leaving a lot of meat on the bone, unrealized yardage, etc.

That's coach speak for he's not playing well.

Thanks. We'll disagree there. In the context of the coachspeak, I think he's saying what a lot are seeing, he's tough and talented and has room to be better.

And then "Because I think this kid’s pretty tough and I do think he’s got vision and he’s only going to get better with time. When this lightbulb really, really comes on, I think it’s going to be something special. We’ll just keep coaching him up."

This all seems pretty normal and expected. :shrug:
Seriously? The entire first paragraph was about "what could have been".
A little too soon to be concerned with "what could have been". Fantasy players are a fickle bunch. They expect instant gratification, or perhaps that's the way with this current generation.
Huh? Did you read the article? It was their coach who was a talking about how he expected more.

Lol at "this current generation ".
Coach is just trying to get the most out of him thru motivation. You people throwing mud at Gibbs at this point in his career really need to take a step back and understand what you have in Gibbs long term, not after a few games.
I own him in dynasty, so you can save the "you people" nonsense.

Tell me, oh prescient one, what do we have in Gibbs long term? The truth is that we have no idea- as much as people want to pretend that he's going to get so much better, it's far from a guarantee that he will.
Snark doesn't really help anyone.

We don't know what Gibbs will be. He's not as good as we hoped so far. But he's also been much better than some are trying to say.

His shortcomings so far is as a receiver. As a runner he's been very good.

He's still on pace for 1,000 yards with 60 receptions. Not as good as hoped for but not all doom and gloom either.
Where does his pace of 1000 yards, 60 receptions, and zero TDs get you in FF? And that's with Montgomery out for ~30% of the season so far. I know, TDs are "unpredictable", but if you're going to talk about pace that's where he's at.

No, all of his shortcomings so far aren't as a receiver. He's been dreadful in pass pro. He's slipped and fallen on a regular basis. Drops have been bad. And as his coach just pointed out, he's missed several holes as a runner.

Almost everything is "somewhere in the middle", so no doubt some are overdoing it on the downside, just like many are with the unbridled enthusiasm. No, it isn't all doom and gloom, but it's far from rainbows and unicorns. It's been a disappointing start for sure- that doesn't mean he won't get better, but it doesn't mean he will either. Time will tell.
 
Snark doesn't really help anyone.

We don't know what Gibbs will be. He's not as good as we hoped so far. But he's also been much better than some are trying to say.

His shortcomings so far is as a receiver. As a runner he's been very good.

He's still on pace for 1,000 yards with 60 receptions. Not as good as hoped for but not all doom and gloom either.

Agreed. Please let's keep this back on the player and not the snarky shots at each other. This can be a good forum for discussion but it gets ruined with the personal stuff.
 
He’s not going to play much until “the lightbulb comes on” according to Dan Campbell. If he’s not getting explosive plays, he is a jag and no better than Montgomery

Can you please share a link for the Campbell quote?
Found it boss. The actual quote is a little different.

So Campbell doesn't think he's playing well. This is exactly what I said.

What part of the article you quoted says Campbell doesn't think he's playing well? https://sidelionreport.com/posts/da...-on-the-bone-in-running-game-for-jahmyr-gibbs
He's been leaving a lot of meat on the bone, unrealized yardage, etc.

That's coach speak for he's not playing well.

Thanks. We'll disagree there. In the context of the coachspeak, I think he's saying what a lot are seeing, he's tough and talented and has room to be better.

And then "Because I think this kid’s pretty tough and I do think he’s got vision and he’s only going to get better with time. When this lightbulb really, really comes on, I think it’s going to be something special. We’ll just keep coaching him up."

This all seems pretty normal and expected. :shrug:
Seriously? The entire first paragraph was about "what could have been".
(There) were a couple things, man, I wish he had read a little different."We ran a lot of outside zone, and (he has to) hit that cut a little earlier and cut it upfield," "There were a number of things in there where we felt we were really going to get some explosive runs, and that’s why you run them. You know it may take a minute to get them, but we expected to pop more than we got. We weren’t real clean all the way through the game like we really should be."
Those are two quotes. Went from "he" to "we". First references Gibbs specifically. Second seems to be talking about the team.
He was clearly talking about the run game, do you agree? Assuming yes, I think we can agree that he wasn't referencing the 1 carry for 40 yards from Raymond or the 2 carries from Goff when he talked about the lack of explosive runs/pop. Still fair? So that leaves the non-explosive Montgomery, who they gave a career high by a large margin 32 carries to his first game back from injury, or the rookie, who is supposed to be the explosive RB, who they gave a whopping 8 carries to, all in a game where they dominated and were never threatened. No one else ran the ball.

I mean, it certainly seems like he's still talking about Gibbs to me. :shrug:
 
He’s not going to play much until “the lightbulb comes on” according to Dan Campbell. If he’s not getting explosive plays, he is a jag and no better than Montgomery

Can you please share a link for the Campbell quote?
Found it boss. The actual quote is a little different.

So Campbell doesn't think he's playing well. This is exactly what I said.

What part of the article you quoted says Campbell doesn't think he's playing well? https://sidelionreport.com/posts/da...-on-the-bone-in-running-game-for-jahmyr-gibbs
He's been leaving a lot of meat on the bone, unrealized yardage, etc.

That's coach speak for he's not playing well.

Thanks. We'll disagree there. In the context of the coachspeak, I think he's saying what a lot are seeing, he's tough and talented and has room to be better.

And then "Because I think this kid’s pretty tough and I do think he’s got vision and he’s only going to get better with time. When this lightbulb really, really comes on, I think it’s going to be something special. We’ll just keep coaching him up."

This all seems pretty normal and expected. :shrug:
Seriously? The entire first paragraph was about "what could have been".
(There) were a couple things, man, I wish he had read a little different."We ran a lot of outside zone, and (he has to) hit that cut a little earlier and cut it upfield," "There were a number of things in there where we felt we were really going to get some explosive runs, and that’s why you run them. You know it may take a minute to get them, but we expected to pop more than we got. We weren’t real clean all the way through the game like we really should be."
Those are two quotes. Went from "he" to "we". First references Gibbs specifically. Second seems to be talking about the team.
He was clearly talking about the run game, do you agree? Assuming yes, I think we can agree that he wasn't referencing the 1 carry for 40 yards from Raymond or the 2 carries from Goff when he talked about the lack of explosive runs/pop. Still fair? So that leaves the non-explosive Montgomery, who they gave a career high by a large margin 32 carries to his first game back from injury, or the rookie, who is supposed to be the explosive RB, who they gave a whopping 8 carries to, all in a game where they dominated and were never threatened. No one else ran the ball.

I mean, it certainly seems like he's still talking about Gibbs to me. :shrug:

Thanks. Where do you rank Gibbs for rest of season in half point PPR redraft?
 
He’s not going to play much until “the lightbulb comes on” according to Dan Campbell. If he’s not getting explosive plays, he is a jag and no better than Montgomery

Can you please share a link for the Campbell quote?
Found it boss. The actual quote is a little different.

So Campbell doesn't think he's playing well. This is exactly what I said.

What part of the article you quoted says Campbell doesn't think he's playing well? https://sidelionreport.com/posts/da...-on-the-bone-in-running-game-for-jahmyr-gibbs
He's been leaving a lot of meat on the bone, unrealized yardage, etc.

That's coach speak for he's not playing well.

Thanks. We'll disagree there. In the context of the coachspeak, I think he's saying what a lot are seeing, he's tough and talented and has room to be better.

And then "Because I think this kid’s pretty tough and I do think he’s got vision and he’s only going to get better with time. When this lightbulb really, really comes on, I think it’s going to be something special. We’ll just keep coaching him up."

This all seems pretty normal and expected. :shrug:
Seriously? The entire first paragraph was about "what could have been".
(There) were a couple things, man, I wish he had read a little different."We ran a lot of outside zone, and (he has to) hit that cut a little earlier and cut it upfield," "There were a number of things in there where we felt we were really going to get some explosive runs, and that’s why you run them. You know it may take a minute to get them, but we expected to pop more than we got. We weren’t real clean all the way through the game like we really should be."
Those are two quotes. Went from "he" to "we". First references Gibbs specifically. Second seems to be talking about the team.
He was clearly talking about the run game, do you agree? Assuming yes, I think we can agree that he wasn't referencing the 1 carry for 40 yards from Raymond or the 2 carries from Goff when he talked about the lack of explosive runs/pop. Still fair? So that leaves the non-explosive Montgomery, who they gave a career high by a large margin 32 carries to his first game back from injury, or the rookie, who is supposed to be the explosive RB, who they gave a whopping 8 carries to, all in a game where they dominated and were never threatened. No one else ran the ball.

I mean, it certainly seems like he's still talking about Gibbs to me. :shrug:
Not sure you read my meaning. Yes the first quote is about Gibbs in the run game.

The second one is about the team in the run game.

Everything else we interpret from that is subjective.
 
He’s not going to play much until “the lightbulb comes on” according to Dan Campbell. If he’s not getting explosive plays, he is a jag and no better than Montgomery

Can you please share a link for the Campbell quote?
Found it boss. The actual quote is a little different.

So Campbell doesn't think he's playing well. This is exactly what I said.

What part of the article you quoted says Campbell doesn't think he's playing well? https://sidelionreport.com/posts/da...-on-the-bone-in-running-game-for-jahmyr-gibbs
He's been leaving a lot of meat on the bone, unrealized yardage, etc.

That's coach speak for he's not playing well.

Thanks. We'll disagree there. In the context of the coachspeak, I think he's saying what a lot are seeing, he's tough and talented and has room to be better.

And then "Because I think this kid’s pretty tough and I do think he’s got vision and he’s only going to get better with time. When this lightbulb really, really comes on, I think it’s going to be something special. We’ll just keep coaching him up."

This all seems pretty normal and expected. :shrug:
Seriously? The entire first paragraph was about "what could have been".
(There) were a couple things, man, I wish he had read a little different."We ran a lot of outside zone, and (he has to) hit that cut a little earlier and cut it upfield," "There were a number of things in there where we felt we were really going to get some explosive runs, and that’s why you run them. You know it may take a minute to get them, but we expected to pop more than we got. We weren’t real clean all the way through the game like we really should be."
Those are two quotes. Went from "he" to "we". First references Gibbs specifically. Second seems to be talking about the team.
He was clearly talking about the run game, do you agree? Assuming yes, I think we can agree that he wasn't referencing the 1 carry for 40 yards from Raymond or the 2 carries from Goff when he talked about the lack of explosive runs/pop. Still fair? So that leaves the non-explosive Montgomery, who they gave a career high by a large margin 32 carries to his first game back from injury, or the rookie, who is supposed to be the explosive RB, who they gave a whopping 8 carries to, all in a game where they dominated and were never threatened. No one else ran the ball.

I mean, it certainly seems like he's still talking about Gibbs to me. :shrug:
Not sure you read my meaning. Yes the first quote is about Gibbs in the run game.

The second one is about the team in the run game.

Everything else we interpret from that is subjective.
I'm quite sure I read your meaning, I know you were talking about the 2nd quote. Sure, because he didn't explicitly mention him by name in that one you can call it "subjective", I just think there's a mound of evidence that he was talking about Gibbs there too.

ETA- I was under the impression that these comments came after the last game, but despite the article being dated Thursday, they were talking about week 3. :bag:
So, disregard the evidence from week 4, but considering Montgomery didn't even play in week 3, I think it's even more likely he was referring to Gibbs with the 2nd quote.

Here's the article that the original link was referencing that includes the audio interview, the Gibbs stuff starts a bit after the 3 minute mark.
 
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He’s not going to play much until “the lightbulb comes on” according to Dan Campbell. If he’s not getting explosive plays, he is a jag and no better than Montgomery

Can you please share a link for the Campbell quote?
Found it boss. The actual quote is a little different.

So Campbell doesn't think he's playing well. This is exactly what I said.

What part of the article you quoted says Campbell doesn't think he's playing well? https://sidelionreport.com/posts/da...-on-the-bone-in-running-game-for-jahmyr-gibbs
He's been leaving a lot of meat on the bone, unrealized yardage, etc.

That's coach speak for he's not playing well.

Thanks. We'll disagree there. In the context of the coachspeak, I think he's saying what a lot are seeing, he's tough and talented and has room to be better.

And then "Because I think this kid’s pretty tough and I do think he’s got vision and he’s only going to get better with time. When this lightbulb really, really comes on, I think it’s going to be something special. We’ll just keep coaching him up."

This all seems pretty normal and expected. :shrug:
Seriously? The entire first paragraph was about "what could have been".
(There) were a couple things, man, I wish he had read a little different."We ran a lot of outside zone, and (he has to) hit that cut a little earlier and cut it upfield," "There were a number of things in there where we felt we were really going to get some explosive runs, and that’s why you run them. You know it may take a minute to get them, but we expected to pop more than we got. We weren’t real clean all the way through the game like we really should be."
Those are two quotes. Went from "he" to "we". First references Gibbs specifically. Second seems to be talking about the team.
He was clearly talking about the run game, do you agree? Assuming yes, I think we can agree that he wasn't referencing the 1 carry for 40 yards from Raymond or the 2 carries from Goff when he talked about the lack of explosive runs/pop. Still fair? So that leaves the non-explosive Montgomery, who they gave a career high by a large margin 32 carries to his first game back from injury, or the rookie, who is supposed to be the explosive RB, who they gave a whopping 8 carries to, all in a game where they dominated and were never threatened. No one else ran the ball.

I mean, it certainly seems like he's still talking about Gibbs to me. :shrug:

Thanks. Where do you rank Gibbs for rest of season in half point PPR redraft?
Probably around 30. He's a desperation flex at this point.
 


For a big chunk of Week 2 against the Atlanta Falcons, Lions running back Jahmyr Gibbs didn't find much room to run. An injury-thinned offensive line didn't help, but during his regular Tuesday appearance on 97.1 The Ticket this week head coach Dan Campbell lightly lamented some unrealized yardage.

"(There) were a couple things, man, I wish he had read a little different."We ran a lot of outside zone, and (he has to) hit that cut a little earlier and cut it upfield," "There were a number of things in there where we felt we were really going to get some explosive runs, and that’s why you run them. You know it may take a minute to get them, but we expected to pop more than we got. We weren’t real clean all the way through the game like we really should be."


In the first half against Atlanta, Gibb has nine carries for 25 yards and six of his first eight carries between the tackles went for two yards or less. It's also safe to say running between the tackles is not really Gibbs' game, and the Falcons' interior defensive line is formidable.

Dan Campbell sees lightbulb coming on for Jahmyr Gibbs​

On the Lions' fourth quarter touchdown drive that sealed the game, Gibbs ripped off runs of 12 and 21 yards on back-to-back plays. On the scoring play, a read-option fake to Gibbs opened up a clear path to the end zone for Jared Goff.

Campbell also noted how Gibbs helped close out the victory.

"What fired me up more than anything was two of the last runs, he hit a 12-yarder and then a 21-yarder," "And that’s in the fourth quarter after getting a bit of a load. I felt like, OK, here we go, he’s starting to find his way and get a little rhythm here. That was really encouraging for me."
"Because I think this kid’s pretty tough and I do think he’s got vision and he’s only going to get better with time. When this lightbulb really, really comes on, I think it’s going to be something special. We’ll just keep coaching him up."

Gibbs finished with 80 yards on 17 carries in a workhorse-style role against the Falcons, with key runs to spark the drive that sealed the win. Even with David Montgomery back in the lineup, facing the Packers' 27th-ranked run defense on Thursday night brings potential of a big night for Gibbs on a primetime stage.
That’s a polite way of saying he isn’t playing as well as he should be.
 
He’s not going to play much until “the lightbulb comes on” according to Dan Campbell. If he’s not getting explosive plays, he is a jag and no better than Montgomery

Can you please share a link for the Campbell quote?
Found it boss. The actual quote is a little different.

So Campbell doesn't think he's playing well. This is exactly what I said.

What part of the article you quoted says Campbell doesn't think he's playing well? https://sidelionreport.com/posts/da...-on-the-bone-in-running-game-for-jahmyr-gibbs
He's been leaving a lot of meat on the bone, unrealized yardage, etc.

That's coach speak for he's not playing well.

Thanks. We'll disagree there. In the context of the coachspeak, I think he's saying what a lot are seeing, he's tough and talented and has room to be better.

And then "Because I think this kid’s pretty tough and I do think he’s got vision and he’s only going to get better with time. When this lightbulb really, really comes on, I think it’s going to be something special. We’ll just keep coaching him up."

This all seems pretty normal and expected. :shrug:
Seriously? The entire first paragraph was about "what could have been".
(There) were a couple things, man, I wish he had read a little different."We ran a lot of outside zone, and (he has to) hit that cut a little earlier and cut it upfield," "There were a number of things in there where we felt we were really going to get some explosive runs, and that’s why you run them. You know it may take a minute to get them, but we expected to pop more than we got. We weren’t real clean all the way through the game like we really should be."
Those are two quotes. Went from "he" to "we". First references Gibbs specifically. Second seems to be talking about the team.
He was clearly talking about the run game, do you agree? Assuming yes, I think we can agree that he wasn't referencing the 1 carry for 40 yards from Raymond or the 2 carries from Goff when he talked about the lack of explosive runs/pop. Still fair? So that leaves the non-explosive Montgomery, who they gave a career high by a large margin 32 carries to his first game back from injury, or the rookie, who is supposed to be the explosive RB, who they gave a whopping 8 carries to, all in a game where they dominated and were never threatened. No one else ran the ball.

I mean, it certainly seems like he's still talking about Gibbs to me. :shrug:
Not sure you read my meaning. Yes the first quote is about Gibbs in the run game.

The second one is about the team in the run game.

Everything else we interpret from that is subjective.
I'm quite sure I read your meaning, I know you were talking about the 2nd quote. Sure, because he didn't explicitly mention him by name in that one you can call it "subjective", I just think there's a mound of evidence that he was talking about Gibbs there too.

ETA- I was under the impression that these comments came after the last game, but despite the article being dated Thursday, they were talking about week 3. :bag:
So, disregard the evidence from week 4, but considering Montgomery didn't even play in week 3, I think it's even more likely he was referring to Gibbs with the 2nd quote.

Here's the article that the original link was referencing that includes the audio interview, the Gibbs stuff starts a bit after the 3 minute mark.
Okay. But the point is first quote is specific. The second one references broader issues about execution.

You want to say it's all Gibbs. I want to say, particularly since it was after week 3, that with three offensive linemen rotating all over the place (was it the 4th string guard?) It was more broad than that. That's why it's subjective, not "subjective".
 
The problem with Gibbs is he doesn’t have (or at least hasn’t shown) the escapability needed to offset his lack of size (weight). Where are the loose hips & the flexibility to contort his body to make cuts at speed? At 215, he would be a completely different RB. Unfortunately, he’s a 200-pounder. *poundsmatter*

I didn’t scout Gibbs extensively in college. Just enough to realize I was never going to be high enough on him to warrant the price tag.

That said, he’ll make some big plays using his speed/burst, but I seriously doubt his ability to be a long-term feature back, something you would expect with his draft capital.
 
The problem with Gibbs is he doesn’t have (or at least hasn’t shown) the escapability needed to offset his lack of size (weight). Where are the loose hips & the flexibility to contort his body to make cuts at speed? At 215, he would be a completely different RB. Unfortunately, he’s a 200-pounder. *poundsmatter*

I didn’t scout Gibbs extensively in college. Just enough to realize I was never going to be high enough on him to warrant the price tag.

That said, he’ll make some big plays using his speed/burst, but I seriously doubt his ability to be a long-term feature back, something you would expect with his draft capital.
He looks like he does need a little runway to get going
 
He’s not going to play much until “the lightbulb comes on” according to Dan Campbell. If he’s not getting explosive plays, he is a jag and no better than Montgomery

Can you please share a link for the Campbell quote?
Found it boss. The actual quote is a little different.

So Campbell doesn't think he's playing well. This is exactly what I said.

What part of the article you quoted says Campbell doesn't think he's playing well? https://sidelionreport.com/posts/da...-on-the-bone-in-running-game-for-jahmyr-gibbs
He's been leaving a lot of meat on the bone, unrealized yardage, etc.

That's coach speak for he's not playing well.

Thanks. We'll disagree there. In the context of the coachspeak, I think he's saying what a lot are seeing, he's tough and talented and has room to be better.

And then "Because I think this kid’s pretty tough and I do think he’s got vision and he’s only going to get better with time. When this lightbulb really, really comes on, I think it’s going to be something special. We’ll just keep coaching him up."

This all seems pretty normal and expected. :shrug:
Seriously? The entire first paragraph was about "what could have been".
(There) were a couple things, man, I wish he had read a little different."We ran a lot of outside zone, and (he has to) hit that cut a little earlier and cut it upfield," "There were a number of things in there where we felt we were really going to get some explosive runs, and that’s why you run them. You know it may take a minute to get them, but we expected to pop more than we got. We weren’t real clean all the way through the game like we really should be."
Those are two quotes. Went from "he" to "we". First references Gibbs specifically. Second seems to be talking about the team.
He was clearly talking about the run game, do you agree? Assuming yes, I think we can agree that he wasn't referencing the 1 carry for 40 yards from Raymond or the 2 carries from Goff when he talked about the lack of explosive runs/pop. Still fair? So that leaves the non-explosive Montgomery, who they gave a career high by a large margin 32 carries to his first game back from injury, or the rookie, who is supposed to be the explosive RB, who they gave a whopping 8 carries to, all in a game where they dominated and were never threatened. No one else ran the ball.

I mean, it certainly seems like he's still talking about Gibbs to me. :shrug:
Not sure you read my meaning. Yes the first quote is about Gibbs in the run game.

The second one is about the team in the run game.

Everything else we interpret from that is subjective.
I'm quite sure I read your meaning, I know you were talking about the 2nd quote. Sure, because he didn't explicitly mention him by name in that one you can call it "subjective", I just think there's a mound of evidence that he was talking about Gibbs there too.

ETA- I was under the impression that these comments came after the last game, but despite the article being dated Thursday, they were talking about week 3. :bag:
So, disregard the evidence from week 4, but considering Montgomery didn't even play in week 3, I think it's even more likely he was referring to Gibbs with the 2nd quote.

Here's the article that the original link was referencing that includes the audio interview, the Gibbs stuff starts a bit after the 3 minute mark.
Okay. But the point is first quote is specific. The second one references broader issues about execution.

You want to say it's all Gibbs. I want to say, particularly since it was after week 3, that with three offensive linemen rotating all over the place (was it the 4th string guard?) It was more broad than that. That's why it's subjective, not "subjective".
If we want to be super pedantic, it's "subjective" that he was speaking about Gibbs in the first quote too. He was asked a question about Gibbs, but responded with "he" without mentioning him by name. The second "quote" was in the same answer, to the same question. Then he finally mentioned him by name, again in the same answer to the same question, when he talked about the things he liked. No pauses, interruptions, other questions about other topics, nothing. It's plainly obvious that he was referring to Gibbs with his entire answer, including the bad parts. IMO it's borderline willfully ignorant to refuse to admit that, even if it refutes your claim that his shortcomings have all been in the passing game. Heck, the first quote alone does that.

I'm not saying the performance is all on Gibbs, there are always a bunch of factors, I'm simply saying that the quote from the coach was about him. It isn't a huge deal, it doesn't mean he stinks or he'll never get better, but not sure why we have to try and deny it.
 
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He’s not going to play much until “the lightbulb comes on” according to Dan Campbell. If he’s not getting explosive plays, he is a jag and no better than Montgomery

Can you please share a link for the Campbell quote?
Found it boss. The actual quote is a little different.

So Campbell doesn't think he's playing well. This is exactly what I said.

What part of the article you quoted says Campbell doesn't think he's playing well? https://sidelionreport.com/posts/da...-on-the-bone-in-running-game-for-jahmyr-gibbs
He's been leaving a lot of meat on the bone, unrealized yardage, etc.

That's coach speak for he's not playing well.

Thanks. We'll disagree there. In the context of the coachspeak, I think he's saying what a lot are seeing, he's tough and talented and has room to be better.

And then "Because I think this kid’s pretty tough and I do think he’s got vision and he’s only going to get better with time. When this lightbulb really, really comes on, I think it’s going to be something special. We’ll just keep coaching him up."

This all seems pretty normal and expected. :shrug:
Seriously? The entire first paragraph was about "what could have been".
(There) were a couple things, man, I wish he had read a little different."We ran a lot of outside zone, and (he has to) hit that cut a little earlier and cut it upfield," "There were a number of things in there where we felt we were really going to get some explosive runs, and that’s why you run them. You know it may take a minute to get them, but we expected to pop more than we got. We weren’t real clean all the way through the game like we really should be."
Those are two quotes. Went from "he" to "we". First references Gibbs specifically. Second seems to be talking about the team.
He was clearly talking about the run game, do you agree? Assuming yes, I think we can agree that he wasn't referencing the 1 carry for 40 yards from Raymond or the 2 carries from Goff when he talked about the lack of explosive runs/pop. Still fair? So that leaves the non-explosive Montgomery, who they gave a career high by a large margin 32 carries to his first game back from injury, or the rookie, who is supposed to be the explosive RB, who they gave a whopping 8 carries to, all in a game where they dominated and were never threatened. No one else ran the ball.

I mean, it certainly seems like he's still talking about Gibbs to me. :shrug:
Not sure you read my meaning. Yes the first quote is about Gibbs in the run game.

The second one is about the team in the run game.

Everything else we interpret from that is subjective.
I'm quite sure I read your meaning, I know you were talking about the 2nd quote. Sure, because he didn't explicitly mention him by name in that one you can call it "subjective", I just think there's a mound of evidence that he was talking about Gibbs there too.

ETA- I was under the impression that these comments came after the last game, but despite the article being dated Thursday, they were talking about week 3. :bag:
So, disregard the evidence from week 4, but considering Montgomery didn't even play in week 3, I think it's even more likely he was referring to Gibbs with the 2nd quote.

Here's the article that the original link was referencing that includes the audio interview, the Gibbs stuff starts a bit after the 3 minute mark.
Okay. But the point is first quote is specific. The second one references broader issues about execution.

You want to say it's all Gibbs. I want to say, particularly since it was after week 3, that with three offensive linemen rotating all over the place (was it the 4th string guard?) It was more broad than that. That's why it's subjective, not "subjective".
If we want to be super pedantic, it's "subjective" that he was speaking about Gibbs in the first quote too. He was asked a question about Gibbs, but responded with "he" without mentioning him by name. The second "quote" was in the same answer, to the same question. Then he finally mentioned him by name, again in the same answer to the same question, when he talked about the things he liked. No pauses, interruptions, other questions about other topics, nothing. It's plainly obvious that he was referring to Gibbs with his entire answer, including the bad parts. IMO it's borderline willfully ignorant to refuse to admit that, even if it refutes your claim that his shortcomings have all been in the passing game. Heck, the first quote alone does that.

I'm not saying the performance is all on Gibbs, there are always a bunch of factors, I'm simply saying that the quote from the coach was about him. It isn't a huge deal, it doesn't mean he stinks or he'll never get better, but not sure why we have to try and deny it.
We shouldn’t ignore it or deny it. Very clear that the coach said he’s leaving yards on the field and needs some work to improve still.

Of course, the coach also said that “when the lightbulb comes on, Gibbs is going to be something special.” His words. Not sure why some folks are glossing over that.
 
Hmm. So reading the quotes from Campbell I dont see what he is saying as cryptic of confusing at all. In fact its kind of refreshing to me how specific and clear his comments are compared to what you will get from most coaches.

He specificaly states they were running outside zone runs and that they were expecting to get more explosive gains out of those runs than they did. He also says that he wanted to see Gibbs cut upfield sooner on some of those runs than he did.

He goes on to qualify that with his belief that Gibbs has the vision and ability to do these things and that he saw Gibbs doing exactly that on some of the runs in the 4th quarter.

So while the total execution of these plays is a team effort and as the head coach he is always looking at the big picture of every players job and execution on these plays, he is being specific about Gibbs execution here.

Its not really troubling to me when one considers this was Gibbs first game as the starting RB with Montgomery out, he is being called on to run all of the plays, not just plays specificaly for him here in a COP role. Some starting linemen out and Gibbs trying to get the timing of these plays down in live action against an unfamiliar defense, thats different than practice.

As far as the leaving meat on the bone I didnt see the coach say that in the quoted comments, although it would be easy to interpret what he said having a similar meaning. I read 2 linked articles quoting Campbell from the same interview but did not see him say that. If he did in another article being quoted here, then sorry I missed that.

I also found it interesting how the Falcons used a DE to jam Gibbs at the line and prevent him from getting out on some of his routes. That explains some of the reason why he didnt have more receptions in that game. Its something the Lions need to work on as well though if they want Gibbs to get more clean releases into his routes. Other teams will do that as well as long as its effective in disrupting his release, and it does not mess up their gap assignments. Which it might for plays where Montgomery and Gibbs are both on the field.

As far as leaving meat on the bone I think we saw that in the 4th game vs the Packers with the targets to Gibbs. To me the timing and ball placement of these throws could be better and that is on Gibbs and Goff to improve this. From what I saw defenders were able to tackle Gibbs who was facing the QB at the time if these throws which didnt give Gibbs the opportunity to try to make the defender miss and get upfield after the catch. This is something Gibbs, Goff and the coaches play design can all improve on to give Gibbs that opportunity.

Its still very early in Gibbs career and I would expect the timing of these things to improve over time. Gibbs needs to stop slipping and losing his balance on these plays. Thats all on him and Im not sure why that keeps happening. Im guessing he is trying to make a move before the ball gets there as a part of that. He needs to calm down, keep his feet and come back to the ball a bit on these throws to give himself space to make a move after the catch.

All of these small things are growing pains one should expect from a rookie player who needs more reps to get comfortable before they start executing everything with ptecision.

I think Gibbs will get there eventually and Campbells comments tell me he thinks Gibbs will get there eventually as well. Its these small things that make a big difference as far as the total execution of plays and they will keep coaching him on these details.
 
We shouldn’t ignore it or deny it. Very clear that the coach said he’s leaving yards on the field and needs some work to improve still.

Of course, the coach also said that “when the lightbulb comes on, Gibbs is going to be something special.” His words. Not sure why some folks are glossing over that.
You would think, yet here we are.

For the second part, that's not exactly what he said, but the reason it isn't being discussed a ton is because coach-speak tends to be overwhelmingly positive, which is why it's more noteworthy when they actually do say something less than complimentary. Campbell has said plenty of good things about Swift too, and we saw how that played out.

I'm not saying it has any bearing on Gibbs, just giving an example for why coach speak needs to be taken with a giant grain of salt. Even if he does truly believe that, it doesn't mean it's going to happen, and if it does happen, we don't know how long it's going to take. That's kind of what we're all guessing on here- when will the lightbulb "really, really" come on, if ever?
 
We shouldn’t ignore it or deny it. Very clear that the coach said he’s leaving yards on the field and needs some work to improve still.

Of course, the coach also said that “when the lightbulb comes on, Gibbs is going to be something special.” His words. Not sure why some folks are glossing over that.
You would think, yet here we are.

For the second part, that's not exactly what he said, but the reason it isn't being discussed a ton is because coach-speak tends to be overwhelmingly positive, which is why it's more noteworthy when they actually do say something less than complimentary. Campbell has said plenty of good things about Swift too, and we saw how that played out.

I'm not saying it has any bearing on Gibbs, just giving an example for why coach speak needs to be taken with a giant grain of salt. Even if he does truly believe that, it doesn't mean it's going to happen, and if it does happen, we don't know how long it's going to take. That's kind of what we're all guessing on here- when will the lightbulb "really, really" come on, if ever?

“When this lightbulb really, really comes on, I think it’s going to be something special.” Pretty darn close.
 
For Detroit it’s essential for Goff that they have a good play action game and keep more defenders closer to the line. Montgomery is the better inside runner and pass protector.
Gibbs is not going to be the goal line back which limits his scoring. Montgomery has played well. Gibbs making mistakes (Goff INT which broke his streak). LaPorta excellent receiver. All contributing to Gibbs slow start.
I see Gibbs as RB 26 to 30 rest of way this year. I think he gets more touches and efficiency as year goes on due to having the game slow down with more experience. Also think they need to reduce wear and tear on Montgomery whether that happens who knows?

Especially good buy low in dynasty.
 
My problem isn't Gibbs. Dude is electric. My problem is that guys had to draft him in the 3rd round to roster him.
I got him in the 5th behind Pollard and Walker3.
That must've been a very early draft because ADP was early 3rd round by late August
It wasn’t. It was the evening of Labor Day. Not everyone relies on the consensus rankings. I usually don’t trust rookie anything in my starting lineup. If you took him in the 3rd based on consensus rankings, that’s on you. If you reached in the 3rd, you should have had a backup plan due to being a rookie. I’ve been playing FF for 23 years. I’ve learned a lot over those years. The whining I’ve seen from wanting instant gratification in this thread is comical to me. If you took a rookie RB in the 3rd that you obviously knew was in a time share because of someone else’s rankings………that’s completely on you.
 
We shouldn’t ignore it or deny it. Very clear that the coach said he’s leaving yards on the field and needs some work to improve still.

Of course, the coach also said that “when the lightbulb comes on, Gibbs is going to be something special.” His words. Not sure why some folks are glossing over that.
You would think, yet here we are.

For the second part, that's not exactly what he said, but the reason it isn't being discussed a ton is because coach-speak tends to be overwhelmingly positive, which is why it's more noteworthy when they actually do say something less than complimentary. Campbell has said plenty of good things about Swift too, and we saw how that played out.

I'm not saying it has any bearing on Gibbs, just giving an example for why coach speak needs to be taken with a giant grain of salt. Even if he does truly believe that, it doesn't mean it's going to happen, and if it does happen, we don't know how long it's going to take. That's kind of what we're all guessing on here- when will the lightbulb "really, really" come on, if ever?

“When this lightbulb really, really comes on, I think it’s going to be something special.” Pretty darn close.
Completely understandable if that's your opinion, all I said is that it isn't exactly what he said, which is accurate. Not looking to argue about it especially considering it's going off on a tangent.
 
We shouldn’t ignore it or deny it. Very clear that the coach said he’s leaving yards on the field and needs some work to improve still.

Of course, the coach also said that “when the lightbulb comes on, Gibbs is going to be something special.” His words. Not sure why some folks are glossing over that.
You would think, yet here we are.

For the second part, that's not exactly what he said, but the reason it isn't being discussed a ton is because coach-speak tends to be overwhelmingly positive, which is why it's more noteworthy when they actually do say something less than complimentary. Campbell has said plenty of good things about Swift too, and we saw how that played out.

I'm not saying it has any bearing on Gibbs, just giving an example for why coach speak needs to be taken with a giant grain of salt. Even if he does truly believe that, it doesn't mean it's going to happen, and if it does happen, we don't know how long it's going to take. That's kind of what we're all guessing on here- when will the lightbulb "really, really" come on, if ever?

“When this lightbulb really, really comes on, I think it’s going to be something special.” Pretty darn close.
Completely understandable if that's your opinion, all I said is that it isn't exactly what he said, which is accurate. Not looking to argue about it especially considering it's going off on a tangent.
Understood. Just provided the full quote so nobody thinks I’m trying to create a false narrative.
 
My problem isn't Gibbs. Dude is electric. My problem is that guys had to draft him in the 3rd round to roster him.
I got him in the 5th behind Pollard and Walker3.
That must've been a very early draft because ADP was early 3rd round by late August
It wasn’t. It was the evening of Labor Day. Not everyone relies on the consensus rankings. I usually don’t trust rookie anything in my starting lineup. If you took him in the 3rd based on consensus rankings, that’s on you. If you reached in the 3rd, you should have had a backup plan due to being a rookie. I’ve been playing FF for 23 years. I’ve learned a lot over those years. The whining I’ve seen from wanting instant gratification in this thread is comical to me. If you took a rookie RB in the 3rd that you obviously knew was in a time share because of someone else’s rankings………that’s completely on you.
Well done. I will say it just takes one. 9 out of 10 owners may look at it like u. 1 owner in most cases will see the value at his 3rd round ADP. To have your entire league pass in the 3rd. Then the 4th. Very unique situation. Once again. Well done.
 
Hmm. So reading the quotes from Campbell I dont see what he is saying as cryptic of confusing at all. In fact its kind of refreshing to me how specific and clear his comments are compared to what you will get from most coaches.

He specificaly states they were running outside zone runs and that they were expecting to get more explosive gains out of those runs than they did. He also says that he wanted to see Gibbs cut upfield sooner on some of those runs than he did.

He goes on to qualify that with his belief that Gibbs has the vision and ability to do these things and that he saw Gibbs doing exactly that on some of the runs in the 4th quarter.

So while the total execution of these plays is a team effort and as the head coach he is always looking at the big picture of every players job and execution on these plays, he is being specific about Gibbs execution here.

Its not really troubling to me when one considers this was Gibbs first game as the starting RB with Montgomery out, he is being called on to run all of the plays, not just plays specificaly for him here in a COP role. Some starting linemen out and Gibbs trying to get the timing of these plays down in live action against an unfamiliar defense, thats different than practice.

As far as the leaving meat on the bone I didnt see the coach say that in the quoted comments, although it would be easy to interpret what he said having a similar meaning. I read 2 linked articles quoting Campbell from the same interview but did not see him say that. If he did in another article being quoted here, then sorry I missed that.

I also found it interesting how the Falcons used a DE to jam Gibbs at the line and prevent him from getting out on some of his routes. That explains some of the reason why he didnt have more receptions in that game. Its something the Lions need to work on as well though if they want Gibbs to get more clean releases into his routes. Other teams will do that as well as long as its effective in disrupting his release, and it does not mess up their gap assignments. Which it might for plays where Montgomery and Gibbs are both on the field.

As far as leaving meat on the bone I think we saw that in the 4th game vs the Packers with the targets to Gibbs. To me the timing and ball placement of these throws could be better and that is on Gibbs and Goff to improve this. From what I saw defenders were able to tackle Gibbs who was facing the QB at the time if these throws which didnt give Gibbs the opportunity to try to make the defender miss and get upfield after the catch. This is something Gibbs, Goff and the coaches play design can all improve on to give Gibbs that opportunity.

Its still very early in Gibbs career and I would expect the timing of these things to improve over time. Gibbs needs to stop slipping and losing his balance on these plays. Thats all on him and Im not sure why that keeps happening. Im guessing he is trying to make a move before the ball gets there as a part of that. He needs to calm down, keep his feet and come back to the ball a bit on these throws to give himself space to make a move after the catch.

All of these small things are growing pains one should expect from a rookie player who needs more reps to get comfortable before they start executing everything with ptecision.

I think Gibbs will get there eventually and Campbells comments tell me he thinks Gibbs will get there eventually as well. Its these small things that make a big difference as far as the total execution of plays and they will keep coaching him on these details.
I agree with nearly all of this, including thinking that Gibbs will get there eventually and that Campbell thinks he will as well. I disagree with 2nd to last paragraph however. IMO, he's certainly had more growing pains than should have been expected, particularly the slips and drops. It pretty much is the main reason for the disappointment and FF underperformance so far, hopefully he grows out of them quickly.
 
Hmm. So reading the quotes from Campbell I dont see what he is saying as cryptic of confusing at all. In fact its kind of refreshing to me how specific and clear his comments are compared to what you will get from most coaches.

He specificaly states they were running outside zone runs and that they were expecting to get more explosive gains out of those runs than they did. He also says that he wanted to see Gibbs cut upfield sooner on some of those runs than he did.

He goes on to qualify that with his belief that Gibbs has the vision and ability to do these things and that he saw Gibbs doing exactly that on some of the runs in the 4th quarter.

So while the total execution of these plays is a team effort and as the head coach he is always looking at the big picture of every players job and execution on these plays, he is being specific about Gibbs execution here.

Its not really troubling to me when one considers this was Gibbs first game as the starting RB with Montgomery out, he is being called on to run all of the plays, not just plays specificaly for him here in a COP role. Some starting linemen out and Gibbs trying to get the timing of these plays down in live action against an unfamiliar defense, thats different than practice.

As far as the leaving meat on the bone I didnt see the coach say that in the quoted comments, although it would be easy to interpret what he said having a similar meaning. I read 2 linked articles quoting Campbell from the same interview but did not see him say that. If he did in another article being quoted here, then sorry I missed that.

I also found it interesting how the Falcons used a DE to jam Gibbs at the line and prevent him from getting out on some of his routes. That explains some of the reason why he didnt have more receptions in that game. Its something the Lions need to work on as well though if they want Gibbs to get more clean releases into his routes. Other teams will do that as well as long as its effective in disrupting his release, and it does not mess up their gap assignments. Which it might for plays where Montgomery and Gibbs are both on the field.

As far as leaving meat on the bone I think we saw that in the 4th game vs the Packers with the targets to Gibbs. To me the timing and ball placement of these throws could be better and that is on Gibbs and Goff to improve this. From what I saw defenders were able to tackle Gibbs who was facing the QB at the time if these throws which didnt give Gibbs the opportunity to try to make the defender miss and get upfield after the catch. This is something Gibbs, Goff and the coaches play design can all improve on to give Gibbs that opportunity.

Its still very early in Gibbs career and I would expect the timing of these things to improve over time. Gibbs needs to stop slipping and losing his balance on these plays. Thats all on him and Im not sure why that keeps happening. Im guessing he is trying to make a move before the ball gets there as a part of that. He needs to calm down, keep his feet and come back to the ball a bit on these throws to give himself space to make a move after the catch.

All of these small things are growing pains one should expect from a rookie player who needs more reps to get comfortable before they start executing everything with ptecision.

I think Gibbs will get there eventually and Campbells comments tell me he thinks Gibbs will get there eventually as well. Its these small things that make a big difference as far as the total execution of plays and they will keep coaching him on these details.
I agree with nearly all of this, including thinking that Gibbs will get there eventually and that Campbell thinks he will as well. I disagree with 2nd to last paragraph however. IMO, he's certainly had more growing pains than should have been expected, particularly the slips and drops. It pretty much is the main reason for the disappointment and FF underperformance so far, hopefully he grows out of them quickly.
The slips in particular have just been weirdly persistent…..
 
Hmm. So reading the quotes from Campbell I dont see what he is saying as cryptic of confusing at all. In fact its kind of refreshing to me how specific and clear his comments are compared to what you will get from most coaches.

He specificaly states they were running outside zone runs and that they were expecting to get more explosive gains out of those runs than they did. He also says that he wanted to see Gibbs cut upfield sooner on some of those runs than he did.

He goes on to qualify that with his belief that Gibbs has the vision and ability to do these things and that he saw Gibbs doing exactly that on some of the runs in the 4th quarter.

So while the total execution of these plays is a team effort and as the head coach he is always looking at the big picture of every players job and execution on these plays, he is being specific about Gibbs execution here.

Its not really troubling to me when one considers this was Gibbs first game as the starting RB with Montgomery out, he is being called on to run all of the plays, not just plays specificaly for him here in a COP role. Some starting linemen out and Gibbs trying to get the timing of these plays down in live action against an unfamiliar defense, thats different than practice.

As far as the leaving meat on the bone I didnt see the coach say that in the quoted comments, although it would be easy to interpret what he said having a similar meaning. I read 2 linked articles quoting Campbell from the same interview but did not see him say that. If he did in another article being quoted here, then sorry I missed that.

I also found it interesting how the Falcons used a DE to jam Gibbs at the line and prevent him from getting out on some of his routes. That explains some of the reason why he didnt have more receptions in that game. Its something the Lions need to work on as well though if they want Gibbs to get more clean releases into his routes. Other teams will do that as well as long as its effective in disrupting his release, and it does not mess up their gap assignments. Which it might for plays where Montgomery and Gibbs are both on the field.

As far as leaving meat on the bone I think we saw that in the 4th game vs the Packers with the targets to Gibbs. To me the timing and ball placement of these throws could be better and that is on Gibbs and Goff to improve this. From what I saw defenders were able to tackle Gibbs who was facing the QB at the time if these throws which didnt give Gibbs the opportunity to try to make the defender miss and get upfield after the catch. This is something Gibbs, Goff and the coaches play design can all improve on to give Gibbs that opportunity.

Its still very early in Gibbs career and I would expect the timing of these things to improve over time. Gibbs needs to stop slipping and losing his balance on these plays. Thats all on him and Im not sure why that keeps happening. Im guessing he is trying to make a move before the ball gets there as a part of that. He needs to calm down, keep his feet and come back to the ball a bit on these throws to give himself space to make a move after the catch.

All of these small things are growing pains one should expect from a rookie player who needs more reps to get comfortable before they start executing everything with ptecision.

I think Gibbs will get there eventually and Campbells comments tell me he thinks Gibbs will get there eventually as well. Its these small things that make a big difference as far as the total execution of plays and they will keep coaching him on these details.
I agree with nearly all of this, including thinking that Gibbs will get there eventually and that Campbell thinks he will as well. I disagree with 2nd to last paragraph however. IMO, he's certainly had more growing pains than should have been expected, particularly the slips and drops. It pretty much is the main reason for the disappointment and FF underperformance so far, hopefully he grows out of them quickly.
I cant really explain the slips. Jitters or something else I dont know. That needs to stop.

If this keeps happening then we need to question his balance somewhat. There is no excuse for that.

Maybe he needs better shoes. Idk.
 

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