rockaction
Footballguy
Robinson is a free agent after this year and isn't close to Hall's talent. It muddies nothing, GB.
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Robinson is a free agent after this year and isn't close to Hall's talent. It muddies nothing, GB.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Only if Hall isn't properly recovered. We saw what Hall was doing when healthy, right? He was on the verge of being the best RB in the NFL. Robinson isn't keeping him off the field just like he wasn't able to compete with ETN.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Jets tied for the second best record in the AFC right now. James Robinson deserves to play some meaningful football.
rockaction
Footballguy
Somebody really needs to change this title to RB James Robinson, JAG
Amirite?
Amirite?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
The Frankman
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
If there’s a slow recovery/resigning….
Im just sayin….Robinson is like a cockroach. If you have the lead dog, you don’t want him hanging around.
The Frankman
Footballguy
ESPN article says (quoting) "Robinson played only 12 snaps on Sunday against the New York Giants, with the bulk of Jacksonville's carries going to Travis Etienne. Jaguars coach Doug Pederson said Monday that was due to Robinson dealing with some soreness in his knees and "nothing about him as a running back."
EDIT: I would think knee soreness the guy would sit, so basically a smokescreen from Pederson. Robinson is a guy who can be a workhorse and get more than what's blocked per his history, but coming back from an Achillies he's not going to be the man this year (though he is over 4 YPC). You figure his splits with the Jets if he can get 40% of the work and mix in passing opportunities (he's been a passcatcher previously) and maybe get some goalline work, he could retain low-end RB2 value. As of right now probably an RB3.
EDIT 2: @JFS171 thread rename please
EDIT: I would think knee soreness the guy would sit, so basically a smokescreen from Pederson. Robinson is a guy who can be a workhorse and get more than what's blocked per his history, but coming back from an Achillies he's not going to be the man this year (though he is over 4 YPC). You figure his splits with the Jets if he can get 40% of the work and mix in passing opportunities (he's been a passcatcher previously) and maybe get some goalline work, he could retain low-end RB2 value. As of right now probably an RB3.
EDIT 2: @JFS171 thread rename please
He's kind of a plodding RB in the last year of his deal that they were starting to phase out, and he may or may not have a creaky knee. It's what the market said he was worth.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
JETS JETS JETS
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I like the move for both teams as well. On the one hand I think we can say all it takes is one sucker (the Jets).
But on the other hand I think this is a strong endorsement of how good of a running back Robinson is. The Jets are 5-2 and need to supplement their corps and are willing to spend draft capital on it. Even if it is a one-year rental it says a lot about how highly regarded Robinson is. A major coup for a guy that was undrafted to get another team to spend a pick to get him. Plus I've always liked him.
I was really amazed he made it back from his injury so early and has looked so good. I feel like the Rams OL has been getting creamed and I *still* don't know what to make of Akers. I feel like he has 4 defensive players in his face immediately after getting the ball. When he used to play for the Rams that is. Is he going to get traded? How wild would that be that two guys with Achilles get traded before a guy like Hunt?
But on the other hand I think this is a strong endorsement of how good of a running back Robinson is. The Jets are 5-2 and need to supplement their corps and are willing to spend draft capital on it. Even if it is a one-year rental it says a lot about how highly regarded Robinson is. A major coup for a guy that was undrafted to get another team to spend a pick to get him. Plus I've always liked him.
I was really amazed he made it back from his injury so early and has looked so good. I feel like the Rams OL has been getting creamed and I *still* don't know what to make of Akers. I feel like he has 4 defensive players in his face immediately after getting the ball. When he used to play for the Rams that is. Is he going to get traded? How wild would that be that two guys with Achilles get traded before a guy like Hunt?
How is a 6th rounder that even if he becomes all-pro can only become a 5th rounder (both looking late) a "strong endorsement"? I agree, love the story, and it's still spectacular even if he's "only" an NFL JAG RB, but it's not like it's some huge investment.
Yeah. One narrative on Rotoworld was that Carter will maintain his current role behind Robinson. That would be really surprising. Robinson is no Breece Hall. I think Carter is the main back. They needed a back-up and got one cheap
rockaction
Footballguy
Thorny committee is the most likely outcome.
The Frankman
Footballguy
huhn, going by Twitter reports it sounds like the Jets are planning on starting him, I'm suprised at that. Looks like they will reprise their early season committee when Breece hadn't broken through yet. Check out these Week 2 snap numbers for the Jets @ the Browns:
www.footballoutsiders.com
This is Robert Saleh we're talking about; I don't think they'll give any one back 61% of the work. At most, whomever the lead back may get 50-55%, the secondary back could get 30-35% and Ty Johnson if the 3rd down guy get 10-15%. Jets also used to run 2 RB sets but I don't think they'll do that anymore.
NFL SNAP COUNTS New York Jets for For Week 2 | Football Outsiders
This is Robert Saleh we're talking about; I don't think they'll give any one back 61% of the work. At most, whomever the lead back may get 50-55%, the secondary back could get 30-35% and Ty Johnson if the 3rd down guy get 10-15%. Jets also used to run 2 RB sets but I don't think they'll do that anymore.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Because he was undrafted and because the position is getting devalued every day. The fact he is coming off an achilles and got someone to spend any capital at all is an endorsement. I find it significant. Huge investment? No. And by strong endorsement I don't mean that I think he will be the starter bellcow. I expect once he learns the playbook they will split in a 1a/1b thing. Which I think is good for FF because they will be competing. With Flacco hopefully.
Agree to disagree I suppose. A 6th rounder is essentially free, especially with all of the compensatory picks they now hand out. This was also the perfect storm for them, the Jets are surprisingly in contention and just lost the reason they are so immediately went looking for some help. And I like the trade for the Jets, mostly because there's almost no risk, and think he can certainly carve out a decent sized role there.
Again, love the story, but I think a lot of people got carried away "wanting" these guys to have bounced back fully from their injuries. Unfortunately it's not looking great for them, and the reason they're likely to be traded before Hunt is purely cost (and/or perhaps Cleveland being unwilling to deal him).
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Balco
Footballguy
I think it was a fantastic trade for Jets - they don’t give up anything of significance and get a back who should be able to give them solid production. He is a great north south runner who is underutilized in the passing game.
He isn’t going to get 75% of the touches but he will be very productive with whatever percentage he is given.
Not sure what this means for fantasy, however. But for actual NFL impact, Jets fans should be thrilled.
He isn’t going to get 75% of the touches but he will be very productive with whatever percentage he is given.
Not sure what this means for fantasy, however. But for actual NFL impact, Jets fans should be thrilled.
skinsrule05
Footballguy
I agree, they have a guy they can feel comfortable taking some of the workload and didn't have to give up really anything for him. I don't know how the split will shake out. The Jets are going to have to change things up because neither Robinson nor Carter is going to be the reason they win.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Never underestimate the arrogance of a front office. The Rams have said they’re comfortable with making Kyren Williams their primary ball carrier & I believe them.
For another, Hunt has some baggage, and would likely cost more in trade than Akers or Robinson.
And while I agree with you that it’s amazing robinson has come back so quickly, his numbers have crashed pretty hard.
Outside of one long TD, Robinson has been a 3 yards and cloud of dust kind of guy. Akers even less effective. So I totally understand why their teams would deal them. I’m not completely sure why a team like the Jets would target Robinson over Hunt. Hunt’s only issue would seem to be usage.
It’ll be interesting to see if their new teams (if Akers goes to one) are any improvement for them. If not, that might be the book closing on “miracle RB Achilles recovery”.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I very much doubt this. Long as Zach is healthy anyway, I don’t see a change coming. I do see them opening things up for Zach though. And if he’s horrible, then maybe. Otherwise no.’
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
That one guy
Footballguy
Why are people so confident JRob is going to be large if not main running game factor for Jets now?
I know he’s a fun story, but a UDFA coming off torn Achilles injury at the price of a 6th round pick supplanting last year’s 4th round pick seems a bit lofty. Not that he won’t factor in, just seems like he is def the B option and not A
I know he’s a fun story, but a UDFA coming off torn Achilles injury at the price of a 6th round pick supplanting last year’s 4th round pick seems a bit lofty. Not that he won’t factor in, just seems like he is def the B option and not A
Chemical X
Footballguy
i don’t think carter has the build or game to be a 3 down back and saleh likes his SF rotation. this feels like a 60/40 split in carter’s favor, ty dolla maybe stealing some work here and then. but i could see saleh being a hit hand guy too during in game situations. i think it will be a sliding 60/40 game to game.
zamboni
Footballguy
A trade in general maybe but couldn’t have been with the Jets in mind unless they knew Hall was going to get hurt in the 4pm game.
eighsse2
Footballguy
Oh, they knew. Open your eyes. Bill Gates. Nuff said.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
There won’t be a “main” back. It will be like early in the season where the snaps were split.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
What?
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Flacco is not good. He had a great run at the end of the Cleveland game but was terrible Week 1 and Week 3.
Maybe Zach isn’t good either but there’s zero reason to go back to Flacco - if anything they’d give Mike White a shot I guess - but Zach would have to have a few more weeks like last week for that to happen.
geneyus
Footballguy
He hasn't crashed at all. He's a career 4.5 avg guy putting up a 4.2 avg this season. Nothing has changed besides his opportunities.
gump
Footballguy
There is some pretty drastic differences of opinion on who will be the lead back via nat'l radio FF shows. I heard yesterday from a guy who is supposedly connected with the Jets that he expects Robinson to take over the backfield, w Carter as the 3rd down relief. Others like Hansen are thinking JRob is a JAG and Carter will be the guy.
4.2 ypc is easily the lowest of his career, and I suspect he's talking about his more recent performances- his ypc was 4.5 his first 3 games of this season, it's been under 3.7 the last 3. YPR is down too this year (small sample size).
Other than our need to be "right" or "first", I'm not sure how anyone can be super confident in how this is going to shake out. They're both fairly Jaggy RBs, seems like they'll each get some opportunities and whichever does better will earn more, and that may change from game to game. Who really knows though, I'm not sure if the coaches themselves do.
geneyus
Footballguy
2020 was 4.5, 2021 was 4.7, this year 4.2. The last game he was featured in against Indy two weeks ago he had a 4.5 ypc.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
That’s probably the ideal scenario- although the Jets haven’t used a 3rd down back, Hall and Carter both just stayed on the field during their series and both were used as pass catchers and blockers. I suspect they would love for Robinson to grow into what Hall was starting to become but I’m not sure Robinson can handle that, and I am sure he couldn’t do it as well. I think once Robinson is worked in he’s the 1a but it’s probably a 1a/1b situation that could flip flop some weeks (hot hand).
Yes- as I said, 4.2 ypc is easily the lowest of his career, and the 2nd half of this year has been worse than the first half for him.
I wouldn't say 12 carries (plus 1 reception for 1 yd) is "featured", but context is important- Etienne had a 8.6 ypc and 11 ypr in that same game. For the season it's Etienne at 6.1 ypc and 10.8 ypr vs. Robinson at 4.2 ypc and 5.1 ypr (again, both career lows for him).
Seems pretty straight forward to me, his performance is certainly down and looks even worse when compared to his counterpart. He likely wouldn't have been essentially given away if it wasn't.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
The only thing I really liked about the deal for the Jets is that he was practically free and in a worse case scenario (which would actually be good for the Jets because it would mean he was productive or better) they only pay a 5th round pick, which still have long odds.
Yep, seems like a no-brainer to me, close to zero downside.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
I think the most likely scenario is a roughly even split like we saw between Carter and Hall early in the season (before Hall took over the starting job). I think the Jets know Carter can't handle anything close to a bellcow role, which is why they drafted Hall and traded for Robinson. Meanwhile, Robinson was able to do that in the past, but may not be up for it post-injury.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
the season YPC isn’t evidence that he hasn’t crashed. His 50 yard TD buoyed his YPC a bit.
His last few games he was 3.6, 2.5 & 4.5 - and in the latter, he had a 14 yard run out of his 12 touches - otherwise he was 3.6 YPC.
In those same games ETN was over 7 YPC on a larger workload.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I disagree. Carter is the trusted back - I could see it shifting to a 50-50 split as Robinson learns the playbook, but for the next game or 2 I’d expect Carter to be the lead dog.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Just checked sports edge & there it is:
Chaka
Footballguy
You know that the taking away longest runs argument is a logical fallacy.
That would hurt any RB's Y/A stats.
Chaka
Footballguy
I think that, slightly lost in the whole workload argument is the fact that the Jets lost Alijah Vera-Tucker for the season. Their OL unit as a whole has been devastated all year long. Potentially* it is going to be tough going for any RB behind this patchwork unit.
*The reason I say only potentially and not certainly is because the Raiders also have a very below average offensive line on paper , that has been rotating players all year, but Josh Jacobs is somehow playing hero ball ATM.
*The reason I say only potentially and not certainly is because the Raiders also have a very below average offensive line on paper , that has been rotating players all year, but Josh Jacobs is somehow playing hero ball ATM.
