steelcityman
Footballguy
Since Estime had that knee procedure, might it just DEN needs to see him in pads, running strong, before they can explore trades with Williams?
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums
Welcome to Our Forums. Once you've registered and logged in, you're primed to talk football, among other topics, with the sharpest and most experienced fantasy players on the internet.
RB Javonte Williams, DEN (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter Zyphros
- Start date
steelcityman
Footballguy
Denver is kind of making over their roster, i would think a pick is more valuable to them than a cast off. Williams could be good this year.
Guy averages 50 yards per game and not even half a TD.
We've been through this before with other players. This well timed article stirs up discussion which will then bring all his predraft fans back down to earth and evaluating him more reasonably. That's it. It's what we do.
Estime looks good. McLaughlin looks quick. Pot stirred.
Maybe somewhere in here Javonte needs to hear this too. Maybe he needs a wakeup call to...something....and be ready to rock when camp starts.
Estime is what 16th round? This makes selecting him a little more fun too.
We all know it's gotta play out and Javonte is the favorite.
We've been through this before with other players. This well timed article stirs up discussion which will then bring all his predraft fans back down to earth and evaluating him more reasonably. That's it. It's what we do.
Estime looks good. McLaughlin looks quick. Pot stirred.
Maybe somewhere in here Javonte needs to hear this too. Maybe he needs a wakeup call to...something....and be ready to rock when camp starts.
Estime is what 16th round? This makes selecting him a little more fun too.
We all know it's gotta play out and Javonte is the favorite.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
you are correct.
you know how it is in fantasy. its all about what have you done for me lately?
I posted earlier on this thread saying I think he has a bounceback year. I still feel that way.
He's the favorite. He should
I'm not confident in the Broncos running game being what we like in FF.
Dominant line, playing with a lead, a coach wanting to grind it out in what we call a boring offense.
Maybe a Kamara role? I don't see him as a receiving back. He had 40ish catches a couple times but more QBs dumping and panic relief for a few yards that weren't a sack.
I've got some confidence in he being the lead guy but I'm predicting QBs struggling, maybe Payton losing his job, and another high pick so...what's he gonna get? 900-1000 in a 17 week season? I'll draft him but at a point and I've gotta have the WRs I need by then because I'm finding if I take him, the WR values plummet when it comes back to me. I'm especially hesitant on him
greenmountaingoat
Footballguy
Other than the possibility of him getting cut or leading the team in rush share or snaps, I think it's equally concerning that we could end up with a 4 headed monster in a bad offense, rendering them all just about useless in fantasy. Being high on Javonte could end up tallest midget stuff..
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Do you mean tallest little people stuff? Let’s not forget political correctness.
I've seen two more Bronco's beat writers speculate today it's possible Javonte is not in the final roster, though neither used the phrasing as "cut", just seems to be consensus building it's between him and Perine.
This IMO is the most reasonable take, especially the last line or two. IMO if it's between Perine and Javonte I"d put the percentage as it being Perine in the 90% type of range. And saying that he might not be such a bad speculative end of draft pickup in his own right.
https://x.com/AllbrightNFL
Benjamin Allbright
https://x.com/AllbrightNFL
@AllbrightNFL
Well, first of all, that account is a total fake. Always typing up false things and things they stole from elsewhere.Second, there does appear to be an overcrowding in the Broncos backfield with Javonte/Perine/Estime and Mclaughlin.Estime is coming off injury and surgery, so who knows what he'll be. Mclaughlin is the change of pace guy/8-12 touches a game guy. So it SEEMS like one of Perine and Javonte would be the odd man out.Javonte had 60+% of the total backfield carries post week 10 last year, had 1 fumble to Perine's 3 (that counted), and costs $1.5m less to keep over Perine. So I would say Perine either has his work really cut out for him, or Javonte has to fall on his face.
This IMO is the most reasonable take, especially the last line or two. IMO if it's between Perine and Javonte I"d put the percentage as it being Perine in the 90% type of range. And saying that he might not be such a bad speculative end of draft pickup in his own right.
https://x.com/AllbrightNFL
Benjamin Allbright
https://x.com/AllbrightNFL
@AllbrightNFL
Well, first of all, that account is a total fake. Always typing up false things and things they stole from elsewhere.Second, there does appear to be an overcrowding in the Broncos backfield with Javonte/Perine/Estime and Mclaughlin.Estime is coming off injury and surgery, so who knows what he'll be. Mclaughlin is the change of pace guy/8-12 touches a game guy. So it SEEMS like one of Perine and Javonte would be the odd man out.Javonte had 60+% of the total backfield carries post week 10 last year, had 1 fumble to Perine's 3 (that counted), and costs $1.5m less to keep over Perine. So I would say Perine either has his work really cut out for him, or Javonte has to fall on his face.
greenmountaingoat
Footballguy
Wikipedia tells me you're correct. Midget is considered offensive which I should have checked before posting.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I wasn’t being serious.
according to denver sports talk radio...
this is speculation, not rumor. It's just a numbers game, Denver simply won't keep four RBs. They really like their FB (Burton), Jaleel has skills the other three don't. Audric was just drafted, so it's down to Javonte and Samaje; however, the team is not very excited with either choice.
this is speculation, not rumor. It's just a numbers game, Denver simply won't keep four RBs. They really like their FB (Burton), Jaleel has skills the other three don't. Audric was just drafted, so it's down to Javonte and Samaje; however, the team is not very excited with either choice.
he won't be cut because there's no chance he lands on practice squad. They'll roll the dice on Samaje
Drake Hater
Footballguy
For the sake of Fantasy football numbers, I hope he gets cut and lands in a better situation. In actuality it's probably Perine who gets cut then scooped by the Bengals.
Birdie048
Footballguy
Perception, "woulda coulda shoulda", might happen, belief ==> All vague and lacking foundation or supporting evidence or even coach comment or visible practice evidence
FarFromHome
Footballguy
HC Sean Payton said RB Javonte Williams has lost some weight. Also mentioned him when asked who stood out at practice today.“I thought Javonte looked real sharp
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
I wonder how Tatum Bell looks
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Prolly happy? His son is getting a lot of offers to play college football. Ha ha. I guess my point is people post info from beat writers why not words from the actual coach. Most of us realize this time of year the talk means little. Williams could be traded. Could be cut. Could lead the team in rushing attempts. My opinion is that he leads the team in rushing attempts, but my opinion means little.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Totally agree. Words from the coach are worth hearing - certainly at least as relevant as beat writers.
crushedspirit
Footballguy
Gotta love them beat writers
FarFromHome
Footballguy
And I'm old enough to remember that scene. Great movie.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
One of the more confusing backfields in the league, which means I probably will just stay away unless Javonte falls dramatically. I thought Jaleel looked like the best runner last year, and then they added two in the draft. I have zero clues on what this will look like.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Media in general is so much more about clicks then info it's sad. I haven't waivered. I think Javonte about to have an okay season as the primary RB for them. I own zero shares. Yet.
Blick
Footballguy
I personally want to thank Cecil for his ridiculous take on this situation. There was no way he was going to be cut. Traded, maybe. Less playing time, maybe. But cut, no way. It allowed me to buy a starting RB WAY below actual value.
massraider
Footballguy
Did you by any chance catch the Sean Payton/Cecil/Lance Krull incidents?
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Fantasy footballers are so quick to overreact to the smallest tidbit of information. It's almost as if it is a newby reaction of sorts, even coming from seasoned players.
i'm a fan of cecil, but did enjoy Coach's response and Cecil's realization that he just got slapped down
Cecil is a beat writer from FBG that used to come here often. I couldn't put more stock in what he says and he more comfortable with it. He's honest and says what he sees. Calling a guy out one day saying he's sharp the next...I appreciate that. We know all too well a lot of guys that cling to a narrative and don't do that.
He's had several more positive Javonte tweets. Not to speak for him, but he's likely changed his overall opinion by now. I don't watch his Broncos stuff usually. Just human nature. I see he and Bloom alot then onto another FBG thing and my head doesn't seem to remember same guy but team related. I would just...I'm old or idk. I read a ton from him.
I especially like that honesty at the senior bowl and college stuff. 99% wrote "this player is good" or bad and try to make that come true or somesuch weirdness. Cecil will tweet woah! Nice catch! Or whatever the heck he sees that catches his eye and...I can absolutely relate.
He was possibly cut by at least a few writers and in no way just Cecil.
At this point, I'm still not certain what happens.Estime has impressed still. Original discussion I saw or heard was everyone apparently believes the 2 and 3 are locked in in Denver so who is the RB1? I don't like or support this premise but backs have changed and their usage and here I am a Titans fan and everyone loving their two scat backs as lead backs so I'm certainly open to the premise being correct.
Back to it, IIRC the conversation was trading a back to the Cowboys or some other team too. I think I'd trade Javonte. (There's an assumed pov that coaches would have to be confident in young Estime) Javonte is always hurt and if the Boys came knocking, I'd do it because besides obvious- I don't think the Broncos are very good. I even wonder if Payton is looking for too much patience and will be let go especially if Nix struggles. I'd want a good pick if I can get one
a_troll00
Footballguy
Here's what happened to my understanding. During OTAs and minicamp, Javonte was looking sluggish, slow and overweight. Sean Peyton had a talk with him before the break, and Javonte proceeded to drop 11 pounds in five weeks. He's then looked completely different in camp. He's faster, more athletic, has acceleration and looks closer to his pre-injury form.
So far in camp, the Broncos really like Jaleel McLaughlin and Estime. Blake Watson is on the NFI list and still hasn't practiced in camp yet. Perine really impressed in OTAs, but not so much in camp. With Javontes improved conditioning, he looks safe to make the team and very likely to be the starter again.
So far in camp, the Broncos really like Jaleel McLaughlin and Estime. Blake Watson is on the NFI list and still hasn't practiced in camp yet. Perine really impressed in OTAs, but not so much in camp. With Javontes improved conditioning, he looks safe to make the team and very likely to be the starter again.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Jaleel will have PPR value.
TripItUp
Footballguy
correct, the best value in the Denver backfield IMHO
JohnnyU
Footballguy
jm192
Footballguy
I honestly question if his spot was ever in danger. I don't think Cecil talked to anyone who implied that. I believe you that Javonte probably looked sluggish and Cecil ran with it.
I think Payton knows what Javonte was before the ACL. He even commented in a press conference about how guys aren't all the way back until the 2nd year.
Marauder
Footballguy
The way I interpreted Cecil's original post was: Jaleel and the fullback are locked into their specialty roles and the team is likely to keep only two more backs. We know what Perine is, a good backup but not somebody you want as your starter. That leaves Javonte and Estime battling for the starter spot. If Estime wins the starter job, then Javonte might be cut. If Javonte wins the job, then Estime will be the backup and Perine gets cut. Watson is probably a practice squad guy no matter what.
This would make me think negative then positive
Blick
Footballguy
It makes 0 sense that Javonte was ever in danger of being cut. Zero. That's what was reported.
Depends on the beat writer, as always with everything got to consider your sources but main Denver beat writers I follow were not suggesting Javonte would be cut. Now almost all of them considered it between Perine and Javonte, but they all believed that guy to not be on the team any longer was Perine, one way or another.
Chaka
Footballguy
I'll roll the dice on Javonte. Second year after the injury, and he has an every down skill set in a Sean Payton offense. He has great balance, can run with violence and get to the corner. At this point, while everyone is healthy and you're betting on one player in the Broncos backfield, it should be Javonte.
