Banger
Footballguy
I think in order for that to occur NIx would need to be a lot better and more effective than I think he'll be. within the realm of possibilities but not likely.
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RB Javonte Williams, DEN (1 Viewer)
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
What makes you think Nix won’t be effective? My attitude towards him has done a 360. I am capable of that.
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
I'll be avoiding Williams hard personally.
jm192
Footballguy
I don't think Nix has to be amazing.
Russ averaged a career low 6.9 ypa. He threw it to the RB's a ton. His top 2 WR's, Sutton and Jeudy, COMBINED for 177 targets.
I admittedly didn't watch a ton of Denver football last year. But I can't imagine defenses were THAT worried about the deep ball. I think Nix opens that up that aspect of the offense. I think JW and the other backs have more space to operate as the safety's have to respect the deep game a bit more.
jm192
Footballguy
I thank you and everyone else in this camp for letting me get him at his current price.
Why hard?
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Well, what dude in their right mind wouldn’t? There are too many images in my life that are already disturbing.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I didn’t think it needed to be said
Some members here might enjoy seeing Javonte's boner!I didn’t think it needed to be said
jm192
Footballguy
And here I thought I was the highest on Javonte.Some members here might enjoy seeing Javonte's boner!I didn’t think it needed to be said
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
Get a load of this guy.Some members here might enjoy seeing Javonte's boner!I didn’t think it needed to be said
Dr_Zaius
Footballguy
As someone who was forced to start Williams last year due to a combination going WR heavy and the injury bug, I watched a fair amount of him. What struck me the most is that the offense was absolutely horrid. He was getting hit in the backfield so many times. I thought he looked okay but not great given the situation around him. That would be my biggest concern with relying on him this year - is the offense actually going to be significantly better?
Banger
Footballguy
He may be effective but being a rookie QB is difficult. He has certainly been impressive but the preseason is one thing and the regular season is a whole different animal. I hope he’s successful but I’m just trying to be balanced and realistic.
jm192
Footballguy
But again,
He doesn't need to be GREAT. He doesn't need to be CJ Stroud or Andrew Luck. He just needs to be better than Russel Wilson, which isn't a very high bar.
Banger
Footballguy
Which is the point I was trying to make.
I think Nix certainly has the ability to be better than Rus as that bar was set really low. One of the reasons I like Javonte is that there is some clarity at the QB position and some possible upside. I was more responding to the idea of Javonte being a low end RB1 and I feel for that to happen Nix likely would need to be a Stroud type player to elevate the entire offense. I think the probably that happens is pretty low...could happen but I'd be very surprised. I like Nix's mobility and can see him keeping the chains moving which will only help Williams.
crushedspirit
Footballguy
Jaleel put up 3 for 6, so they both did very little week one. Same in week two with somewhat similar yards per carry averages.
That line gets blown up, and Nix scares nobody. The entire run game is useless right now.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
McLaughlin hasn't been what people thought either. I would bail on this backfield if you can. I said previously that I was willing to give Williams a chance to see if two years removed from that devastating injury that he can bounce back, but my hopes are fading fast. I don't have much confidence in McLaughlin either.
the spanker
Footballguy
Who's the backup QB? Any chance the starter gets benched?
Sure but this goes back longer then this season for Javonte and he's had a lot more chances then Jaleel's, which I would categorize as more of a sample size to small to tell.
Bronco's beat writer has been hammering home that Javonte has gone 12 straight games without averaging 4 yards per carry in a single game and is under 3 ypc in 5 of his last 6 games. Also some some metrics the other day that tackle breaking, which used to be his big strength, has not been very good which I guess should be assumed with that production.
I'm not even trying to hammer Javonte. I'm sure some of it's on him, but I think the offensive game has passed Sean Payton by. For sure a lot of talk about how stagnant his offense is, league low lack of motion, super predictable, etc,etc. But I could not help but think of how the Saints had been running Paytons offense after he left, retained same OC since 2009 even after Payton left, and how Kamara looks so much better now that he's finally moved away from that system. That OC, Pete Carmichael, is now on Denver's staff along with another old Saints retread in Joe Lombardi. Not exactly the most innovative cutting edge crew.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
Payton said the other day that Javonte's vision hitting the holes has not been great. He looks just fine physically and in the passing game (6 recpt/48 yds).
“I’d say it’s probably a collection of all of us,’’ said Payton, whose Broncos next play Sunday at Tampa Bay. “Let’s start with design and scheme, and then let’s get into some execution. I just finished looking at a play that (Williams) gained three yards, and it really should be a gain of seven yards. How are we blocking the backside of this? Do we need to clean that up? He misses a cut or two in the game. We need to make sure we get his eyes where they need to be.”
“I’d say it’s probably a collection of all of us,’’ said Payton, whose Broncos next play Sunday at Tampa Bay. “Let’s start with design and scheme, and then let’s get into some execution. I just finished looking at a play that (Williams) gained three yards, and it really should be a gain of seven yards. How are we blocking the backside of this? Do we need to clean that up? He misses a cut or two in the game. We need to make sure we get his eyes where they need to be.”
Proteus
Footballguy
Is it drop city for Jaleel? For Javonte too?
the spanker
Footballguy
Yeah, and there's no way nobody should be dropping.
TampaMike19
Footballguy
Plenty of reasons to drop. There is almost zero path forward for Javonte to be an above replacement rb. The team looks like a disaster after eating Wilson’s contract, Payton is just happy to get paid, the receivers are absolute ****, the tight ends can’t catch, it’s just an organization in disarray vs the way it used to be
I don’t blame people for holding but I try not to hold onto ancillary players like this on my roster if I can find something of a more enticing profile on the wire. Just depends on league size- prolly holding in 12-14 teamer
Chaka
Footballguy
I tend to agree with the notion that Payton will open up the playbook as (if) the game slows down for Nix. I'm guessing we're seeing, maybe 60% of the playbook.
I'm not sure Javonte gets any better, particularly with McGlinchey going to IR. But, I don't think we are anywhere near seeing the Broncos full offense.
Chaka
Footballguy
So, everyone should be dropping.
the spanker
Footballguy
He's on the end of my bench in a 12-team league. Why not hold when waiver RBs are non-producers and only possible lotto tickets.
He produced 11.50 points for me 2nd week because his catches spiked to 5. I will take that all day at the end of my bench.
I said nobody should be dropping unless your in 8-10 leagues.
Big Nate
Footballguy
I own him in a 12 team redraft league. He's the starter for what it is worth. I'm not dropping him. Maybe Nix and this offense eventually figure it out. I can wait.
BlackCrowes
Footballguy
i'm sticking
jm192
Footballguy
Officially concerned.
Denver led nearly the whole game and won convincingly. He had 5 carries. Tyler Badee lead the team in rushing. JM got the TD.
If you can't smash in a nearly 20 point win, I'm not sure it's coming.
Shame. Was such a big fan of him coming into the league, was very hopeful for a bounce back with it being his 2nd season since the ACL. Just not to be.
Denver led nearly the whole game and won convincingly. He had 5 carries. Tyler Badee lead the team in rushing. JM got the TD.
If you can't smash in a nearly 20 point win, I'm not sure it's coming.
Shame. Was such a big fan of him coming into the league, was very hopeful for a bounce back with it being his 2nd season since the ACL. Just not to be.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Glad that I traded him after week 1.
BlackCrowes
Footballguy
looking like a swing and a miss :(
crushedspirit
Footballguy
It was worth a shot at that cheap price tag, but he does look like he's toast. No juice and lacking vision. A far cry from who he was, but it happens sometimes after a major injury like the one he sustained.
TampaMike19
Footballguy
Name checks out and so does the opinion.
crushedspirit
Footballguy
LOL
I drafted him as a #3/flex in both leagues so the pain of it is minimal. He only started week one in flex and has been on the bench since. Would have been nice to see a turn around, but after 3 weeks it's clearly not happening.
ilianawindfae
Footballguy
He's cooked. Not the same player he used to be and also a free agent next year.
Wouldn't be surprised to see him phased out at some point.
Wouldn't be surprised to see him phased out at some point.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I believe I agree. Looks like I'm stuck with him in a few leagues. If he is phased out I'll have to drop him I suppose and that is in dynasty, not redraft.
jm192
Footballguy
I've got him in 1 dynasty league. Hilariously, I tried so hard to trade for him at the end of last season and all off-season. Hoping he strings together a few weeks and maybe we can get something back.
But re-draft wise, we're a week or 2 away from an outright cut in bigger leagues. In the shorter bench leagues, I'm really considering letting someone else waste the roster spot.
But re-draft wise, we're a week or 2 away from an outright cut in bigger leagues. In the shorter bench leagues, I'm really considering letting someone else waste the roster spot.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
Jaleel isn't producing any better than Javonte in the running game. And in fact in the passing game it is the other way around by a large margin.
Run
Jaleel 18/40 yds
Javonte 24/52 yds
Pass
Jaleel 6/8 yds
Javonte 10/77 yds
Jaleel's TD run yesterday could have easily gone to Javonte who had the GL carry the play before. Payton rightly challenged the call but there was no clear sight line on the replay.
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zamboni
Footballguy
Fair, although numbers don't tell the whole story. Clearly Payton likes McLaughlin and probably has the explosiveness that Javonte lacks.
Proteus
Footballguy
What a miserable roller coaster going back to the summer.
1. He's toast. Might not make the team.
2. He's lost weight and answering the bell and looks awesome. Lead dog in this backfield.
3. He's toast. Going to be phased out within an unusable committee.
Finger over drop button . . . even in 14 team league . . .
1. He's toast. Might not make the team.
2. He's lost weight and answering the bell and looks awesome. Lead dog in this backfield.
3. He's toast. Going to be phased out within an unusable committee.
Finger over drop button . . . even in 14 team league . . .
Stoneworker
Footballguy
Agree that Payton likes McLaughlin, however, there is the issue of pass protection for a rookie QB where Javonte has a clear advantage over Jaleel, Badie and UDFA Blake Watson
