RB Kareem Hunt, CLE (1 Viewer)

[menobrown]

Please people, quit saying he got $4M and "follow the money" ,etc, etc.

As I and others keep saying, he did not get $4m. He got "up to" $4M.

When Elliot signed with NE the contract was reported to be "up to $6M". It's $2.9M assuming he's on the team all season. Anything else is incentives and he's currently not on pace to receive any of them.

What is Zeke Elliot now? He is Rhamondre's clear cut handcuff.

I'm pulling for Hunt but tusing his contract as a line of reasoning is an incredibly weak point to try and assert.

 

[Warhogs]

Everything is speculation at this point but I suspect Ford gets most of the work. They have been speaking highly of Ford all off season and he has looked good. If he starts to string together a few underwhelming performances that could open the door for Hunt but I think they want Ford to do well and get 20-25 touches per game (rushing & receiving).

 

[Anarchy99]

Trade him now when his perceived value might be high?

This would be my move. I don't think a majority of people watched Browns games last year but Hunt looked beyond cooked. Now he's had an offseason of doing ??? and was passed on by many teams. Sell high on the name.

I don't really play fantasy anymore, but I am the executive advisor for my three kids that do. One of them got Hunt on waivers and he's gotten some weak trade offers so far). The problem is, he lost Dobbins and now has Barkley hurt, so his RB depth isn't great. He has more decent WR than he can play, and the offers he's been getting involve WR3 types for Hunt. (The Fields discussions went nowhere.) They only start 2 WRs, so adding another when he has 4 solid ones doesn't make a lot of sense.

 

[Anarchy99]

Everything is speculation at this point but I suspect Ford gets most of the work. They have been speaking highly of Ford all off season and he has looked good. If he starts to string together a few underwhelming performances that could open the door for Hunt but I think they want Ford to do well and get 20-25 touches per game (rushing & receiving).

Only Derrick Henry is schemed to get the ball 20-25 times a game. That's actually more than Chubb ever got. I think Ford / Hunt / Strong form a RBBC . . . Ford may have the biggest piece of the pie, but not to the level that you indicated.

 

[Anarchy99]

What is Zeke Elliot now? He is Rhamondre's clear cut handcuff.

I don't think we have any idea what the RB situation in NE is yet. The Patriots did not lead in either game, haven't been able to run the ball (RS 2.8 ypc), and spent the 4th quarter being forced to pass to stay in games. That's put Stevenson on the field in the second half way more than Elliott. Touch wise, Stevenson holds a 36 to 17 advantage. NE hasn't really gotten to the goal line yet, so hard to tell what they would do with more "regular" game scripts. Too soon to tell, IMO.

 

[Warhogs]

Not really. I think Ford is viewed as a pretty good pass catcher. If you catch 5 or 6 passes you need 19 or 20 rushes. That is high end of that estimate. Low end is a pretty realistic 15 carries and 5 catches.

 

[menobrown]

What is Zeke Elliot now? He is Rhamondre's clear cut handcuff.

I don't think we have any idea what the RB situation in NE is yet. The Patriots did not lead in either game, haven't been able to run the ball (RS 2.8 ypc), and spent the 4th quarter being forced to pass to stay in games. That's put Stevenson on the field in the second half way more than Elliott. Touch wise, Stevenson holds a 36 to 17 advantage. NE hasn't really gotten to the goal line yet, so hard to tell what they would do with more "regular" game scripts. Too soon to tell, IMO.

Oh come on, we know.

 

[Scooby1974]

Please people, quit saying he got $4M and "follow the money" ,etc, etc.

As I and others keep saying, he did not get $4m. He got "up to" $4M.

When Elliot signed with NE the contract was reported to be "up to $6M". It's $2.9M assuming he's on the team all season. Anything else is incentives and he's currently not on pace to receive any of them.

What is Zeke Elliot now? He is Rhamondre's clear cut handcuff.

I'm pulling for Hunt but tusing his contract as a line of reasoning is an incredibly weak point to try and assert.

That said, how clear cut was Ford being Chubb's handcuff? There is a major step down from Rhamondre to Elliot, and an even deeper step down from Chubb to Ford.

I think this ends up being a serious RBBC myself, and I agree that contracts don't speak. It's likely Clev could have brought in a cheaper body than Hunt though.

 

[Chardo1]

Everything is speculation at this point but I suspect Ford gets most of the work. They have been speaking highly of Ford all off season and he has looked good. If he starts to string together a few underwhelming performances that could open the door for Hunt but I think they want Ford to do well and get 20-25 touches per game (rushing & receiving).

Has he looked good? He had one long run, where he ran into his own blocker, reversed field, and defense blew their contain. Should have been a loss. Guarantee the coaches are not happy in the film room. Take out that run and he's at 2.4 YPC, after 2.4 YPC the week before, and 1.5 YPC last season.

 

[in2win]

Still prefer and lean Ford but at the end of the day if you have someone offering you trades for any of the Browns RBs going forward I am definitely taking a good look.

That offense looks to be in shambles without Chubb and look at the schedule moving forward. Not exactly run friendly and will likely be playing behind for a real good bit.

 

[in2win]

Please people, quit saying he got $4M and "follow the money" ,etc, etc.

As I and others keep saying, he did not get $4m. He got "up to" $4M.

When Elliot signed with NE the contract was reported to be "up to $6M". It's $2.9M assuming he's on the team all season. Anything else is incentives and he's currently not on pace to receive any of them.

What is Zeke Elliot now? He is Rhamondre's clear cut handcuff.

I'm pulling for Hunt but tusing his contract as a line of reasoning is an incredibly weak point to try and assert.

That said, how clear cut was Ford being Chubb's handcuff? There is a major step down from Rhamondre to Elliot, and an even deeper step down from Chubb to Ford.

I think this ends up being a serious RBBC myself, and I agree that contracts don't speak. It's likely Clev could have brought in a cheaper body than Hunt though.

Believe one of the biggest reasons to bring on Hunt was the familiarity with the team and offense.
Less time to get acclimated, does that mean Hunt is coming in and getting handful of carries.....who knows it's all speculation. End of the day it's not a great situation with Watson looking pretty bad out there.

 

[menobrown]

Please people, quit saying he got $4M and "follow the money" ,etc, etc.

As I and others keep saying, he did not get $4m. He got "up to" $4M.

When Elliot signed with NE the contract was reported to be "up to $6M". It's $2.9M assuming he's on the team all season. Anything else is incentives and he's currently not on pace to receive any of them.

What is Zeke Elliot now? He is Rhamondre's clear cut handcuff.

I'm pulling for Hunt but tusing his contract as a line of reasoning is an incredibly weak point to try and assert.

That said, how clear cut was Ford being Chubb's handcuff? There is a major step down from Rhamondre to Elliot, and an even deeper step down from Chubb to Ford.

I think this ends up being a serious RBBC myself, and I agree that contracts don't speak. It's likely Clev could have brought in a cheaper body than Hunt though.

Ford was obviously the clear cut handcuff.

I don't know how cheap Hunt is or is not to say about bringing in a cheaper back because I don't know his contract details. But who is exactly out there? I don't think you can give enough credence to Hunt having more value to Cleveland because he not only knows the system, but the roster only had two RB's who are second year players who were borderline redshirted their rookie years. I think a lot of intangibles that Hunt brings to the table here.

Both the Browns actions and words have made it clear to me they prefer Ford over Hunt. Now they've traditionally liked to use two RB's a decent amount. Maybe Hunt is the better short yardage runner and I'm pretty sure he's better in pass protection. So this could for sure be a 65/35 type of situation with Ford being the lead guy but Hunt eating up the more valuable touches and making this confusing for fantasy managers. I think that's all very possible.

I'll just conclude with the fact the money is not swaying me here, I have zero doubts that the main RB on the team is Ford's job to keep or lose, but it seems like a stretch to think it's a bell cow or three down type role. I think how the goalline and passing down touches play out will be key. I own them both a ton, I'd personally just be happy if one of them seized fantasy value and have a slight lean to Hunt as that would help me out just a tad more, but without a doubt if I could pick one to have I'd choose Ford.

 

[menobrown]

Please people, quit saying he got $4M and "follow the money" ,etc, etc.

As I and others keep saying, he did not get $4m. He got "up to" $4M.

When Elliot signed with NE the contract was reported to be "up to $6M". It's $2.9M assuming he's on the team all season. Anything else is incentives and he's currently not on pace to receive any of them.

What is Zeke Elliot now? He is Rhamondre's clear cut handcuff.

I'm pulling for Hunt but tusing his contract as a line of reasoning is an incredibly weak point to try and assert.

That said, how clear cut was Ford being Chubb's handcuff? There is a major step down from Rhamondre to Elliot, and an even deeper step down from Chubb to Ford.

I think this ends up being a serious RBBC myself, and I agree that contracts don't speak. It's likely Clev could have brought in a cheaper body than Hunt though.

Believe one of the biggest reasons to bring on Hunt was the familiarity with the team and offense.
Less time to get acclimated, does that mean Hunt is coming in and getting handful of carries.....who knows it's all speculation. End of the day it's not a great situation with Watson looking pretty bad out there.

Did not see this as I was typing out my response, but you beat me to what I was trying to say.

 

[tricky92]

Everything is speculation at this point but I suspect Ford gets most of the work. They have been speaking highly of Ford all off season and he has looked good. If he starts to string together a few underwhelming performances that could open the door for Hunt but I think they want Ford to do well and get 20-25 touches per game (rushing & receiving).

Has he looked good? He had one long run, where he ran into his own blocker, reversed field, and defense blew their contain. Should have been a loss. Guarantee the coaches are not happy in the film room. Take out that run and he's at 2.4 YPC, after 2.4 YPC the week before, and 1.5 YPC last season.

You can take out that run if it was a fluke... but, he out-ran all but one guy on the field who had a nice angle on him.
In other words, you can't remove that one run.

 

[Chardo1]

Everything is speculation at this point but I suspect Ford gets most of the work. They have been speaking highly of Ford all off season and he has looked good. If he starts to string together a few underwhelming performances that could open the door for Hunt but I think they want Ford to do well and get 20-25 touches per game (rushing & receiving).

Has he looked good? He had one long run, where he ran into his own blocker, reversed field, and defense blew their contain. Should have been a loss. Guarantee the coaches are not happy in the film room. Take out that run and he's at 2.4 YPC, after 2.4 YPC the week before, and 1.5 YPC last season.

You can take out that run if it was a fluke... but, he out-ran all but one guy on the field who had a nice angle on him.
In other words, you can't remove that one run.

Sure you can, if you are doing an honest evaluation of his performance.

 

[Warhogs]

When I was saying they said he has looked good I was speaking about the reports all off season. Evaluation of players does start in mini camp and training camp not just week1 and week 2.

 

[JohnnyU]

Everything is speculation at this point but I suspect Ford gets most of the work. They have been speaking highly of Ford all off season and he has looked good. If he starts to string together a few underwhelming performances that could open the door for Hunt but I think they want Ford to do well and get 20-25 touches per game (rushing & receiving).

Has he looked good? He had one long run, where he ran into his own blocker, reversed field, and defense blew their contain. Should have been a loss. Guarantee the coaches are not happy in the film room. Take out that run and he's at 2.4 YPC, after 2.4 YPC the week before, and 1.5 YPC last season.

You can take out that run if it was a fluke... but, he out-ran all but one guy on the field who had a nice angle on him.
In other words, you can't remove that one run.

If you remove all of Barry Sanders long runs he’s not a HOFer, because he’s the all-time leader in losing yards behind the line of scrimmage.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Still prefer and lean Ford but at the end of the day if you have someone offering you trades for any of the Browns RBs going forward I am definitely taking a good look.

That offense looks to be in shambles without Chubb and look at the schedule moving forward. Not exactly run friendly and will likely be playing behind for a real good bit.

Without Chubb the Browns outlook in 2023 is similar to the New York Jets IMHO, you lose your best weapon you can start limiting the ceiling for where you are heading.
I don't believe the Jets will make the Playoffs now.
And Hackett is more of a problem than even Zach Wilson...4 carries for Hall and 4 for Cook? They should be running the Atlanta playbook and making sure they are handing the ball off early and often, that's their best chance to win football games.

Cleveland has a strong defense but that defense is helped when Chubb is chewing up clock or running out the 2nd Half, the pressure on the defense now will go up tremendously.
Unless Watson has an epiphany and capture some of the magic he had in Houston, this team is not going anywhere.
In the AFC North right now, the Bengals have issues with Burrow and the offense, Ravens lost Dobbins and the Steelers are without Johnson at WR.
The Browns should be able to compete in this division but not now. It's that big of a loss to this team and the offense they have in place.
Watson can't cut it right now, they needed to Chubb to hide him for a while.

 

[Smack Tripper]

I think Chubb has more life in his legs at this point

 

[Ray_T]

Please people, quit saying he got $4M and "follow the money" ,etc, etc.

As I and others keep saying, he did not get $4m. He got "up to" $4M.

When Elliot signed with NE the contract was reported to be "up to $6M". It's $2.9M assuming he's on the team all season. Anything else is incentives and he's currently not on pace to receive any of them.

What is Zeke Elliot now? He is Rhamondre's clear cut handcuff.

I'm pulling for Hunt but tusing his contract as a line of reasoning is an incredibly weak point to try and assert.

That said, how clear cut was Ford being Chubb's handcuff? There is a major step down from Rhamondre to Elliot, and an even deeper step down from Chubb to Ford.

I think this ends up being a serious RBBC myself, and I agree that contracts don't speak. It's likely Clev could have brought in a cheaper body than Hunt though.

Ford was obviously the clear cut handcuff.

I don't know how cheap Hunt is or is not to say about bringing in a cheaper back because I don't know his contract details. But who is exactly out there? I don't think you can give enough credence to Hunt having more value to Cleveland because he not only knows the system, but the roster only had two RB's who are second year players who were borderline redshirted their rookie years. I think a lot of intangibles that Hunt brings to the table here.

Both the Browns actions and words have made it clear to me they prefer Ford over Hunt. Now they've traditionally liked to use two RB's a decent amount. Maybe Hunt is the better short yardage runner and I'm pretty sure he's better in pass protection. So this could for sure be a 65/35 type of situation with Ford being the lead guy but Hunt eating up the more valuable touches and making this confusing for fantasy managers. I think that's all very possible.

I'll just conclude with the fact the money is not swaying me here, I have zero doubts that the main RB on the team is Ford's job to keep or lose, but it seems like a stretch to think it's a bell cow or three down type role. I think how the goalline and passing down touches play out will be key. I own them both a ton, I'd personally just be happy if one of them seized fantasy value and have a slight lean to Hunt as that would help me out just a tad more, but without a doubt if I could pick one to have I'd choose Ford.

and it will probably start out that way-65-35 in favour of Ford
and they will adjust likely based on who is playing better. which could be in favor of either player.

 

[msudaisy26]

This is going to fall between a 60 - 40 to 40 - 60 split. Neither one of these guys is Nick Chubb. Is this backfield really going to be a reliable fantasy option other than best ball?

 

[The Gator]

I think Chubb has more life in his legs at this point

Too soon

 

[efactor]

Everything is speculation at this point but I suspect Ford gets most of the work. They have been speaking highly of Ford all off season and he has looked good. If he starts to string together a few underwhelming performances that could open the door for Hunt but I think they want Ford to do well and get 20-25 touches per game (rushing & receiving).

Has he looked good? He had one long run, where he ran into his own blocker, reversed field, and defense blew their contain. Should have been a loss. Guarantee the coaches are not happy in the film room. Take out that run and he's at 2.4 YPC, after 2.4 YPC the week before, and 1.5 YPC last season.

You can take out that run if it was a fluke... but, he out-ran all but one guy on the field who had a nice angle on him.
In other words, you can't remove that one run.

If you remove all of Barry Sanders long runs he’s not a HOFer, because he’s the all-time leader in losing yards behind the line of scrimmage.

Please tell me you didn't compare Barry Sanders to Jerome Ford

 

[JohnnyU]

I think Chubb has more life in his legs at this point

Too soon

That’s what she said.

 

[JohnnyU]

Everything is speculation at this point but I suspect Ford gets most of the work. They have been speaking highly of Ford all off season and he has looked good. If he starts to string together a few underwhelming performances that could open the door for Hunt but I think they want Ford to do well and get 20-25 touches per game (rushing & receiving).

Has he looked good? He had one long run, where he ran into his own blocker, reversed field, and defense blew their contain. Should have been a loss. Guarantee the coaches are not happy in the film room. Take out that run and he's at 2.4 YPC, after 2.4 YPC the week before, and 1.5 YPC last season.

You can take out that run if it was a fluke... but, he out-ran all but one guy on the field who had a nice angle on him.
In other words, you can't remove that one run.

If you remove all of Barry Sanders long runs he’s not a HOFer, because he’s the all-time leader in losing yards behind the line of scrimmage.

Please tell me you didn't compare Barry Sanders to Jerome Ford

You’re smart enough to know what I was saying. I don’t need to spell it out for you.

 

[tricky92]

Everything is speculation at this point but I suspect Ford gets most of the work. They have been speaking highly of Ford all off season and he has looked good. If he starts to string together a few underwhelming performances that could open the door for Hunt but I think they want Ford to do well and get 20-25 touches per game (rushing & receiving).

Has he looked good? He had one long run, where he ran into his own blocker, reversed field, and defense blew their contain. Should have been a loss. Guarantee the coaches are not happy in the film room. Take out that run and he's at 2.4 YPC, after 2.4 YPC the week before, and 1.5 YPC last season.

You can take out that run if it was a fluke... but, he out-ran all but one guy on the field who had a nice angle on him.
In other words, you can't remove that one run.

Sure you can, if you are doing an honest evaluation of his performance.

You mean an intellectually dishonest evaluation as a Hunt owner?!

 

[Ironriver]

Hunt will get the goal line work. He's a beast in short yardage. I think he'll end up outplaying Ford and get the majority of the carries. Lifelong Browns fan here who watches every game.

 

[jurrassic]

Everything is speculation at this point but I suspect Ford gets most of the work. They have been speaking highly of Ford all off season and he has looked good. If he starts to string together a few underwhelming performances that could open the door for Hunt but I think they want Ford to do well and get 20-25 touches per game (rushing & receiving).

Has he looked good? He had one long run, where he ran into his own blocker, reversed field, and defense blew their contain. Should have been a loss. Guarantee the coaches are not happy in the film room. Take out that run and he's at 2.4 YPC, after 2.4 YPC the week before, and 1.5 YPC last season.

You can take out that run if it was a fluke... but, he out-ran all but one guy on the field who had a nice angle on him.
In other words, you can't remove that one run.

If you remove all of Barry Sanders long runs he’s not a HOFer, because he’s the all-time leader in losing yards behind the line of scrimmage.

These arguments can be made all the time. One perspective is he had a 2.4 ypc, if you remove the broken play long run. A different perspective is his speed and ability to play off-script allowed him to make a play few rbs are capable of.

Agree they are going to look at the tape and likely be very irritated at the line's ability to maintain blocks, and their vanilla play calling. I would think they'd look at that "one run" and wonder how they can't take this guy off the field. He has the ability to create something from nothing. The NFL is an explosive plays game. Teams don't consistently score on 15 play drives every possession. Having players who can create and break big plays are rare and valuable.

 

[Chaka]

Not really. I think Ford is viewed as a pretty good pass catcher. If you catch 5 or 6 passes you need 19 or 20 rushes. That is high end of that estimate. Low end is a pretty realistic 15 carries and 5 catches.

Your low end seems a little high. I'd love to see it but...

Ford owners should be happy with 15 touches, anything more is gravy.

 

[Chaka]

Everything is speculation at this point but I suspect Ford gets most of the work. They have been speaking highly of Ford all off season and he has looked good. If he starts to string together a few underwhelming performances that could open the door for Hunt but I think they want Ford to do well and get 20-25 touches per game (rushing & receiving).

Has he looked good? He had one long run, where he ran into his own blocker, reversed field, and defense blew their contain. Should have been a loss. Guarantee the coaches are not happy in the film room. Take out that run and he's at 2.4 YPC, after 2.4 YPC the week before, and 1.5 YPC last season.

I think you know the "take away the longest run" argument is one of the most deeply flawed in all magic football.

 

[Chaka]

Everything is speculation at this point but I suspect Ford gets most of the work. They have been speaking highly of Ford all off season and he has looked good. If he starts to string together a few underwhelming performances that could open the door for Hunt but I think they want Ford to do well and get 20-25 touches per game (rushing & receiving).

Has he looked good? He had one long run, where he ran into his own blocker, reversed field, and defense blew their contain. Should have been a loss. Guarantee the coaches are not happy in the film room. Take out that run and he's at 2.4 YPC, after 2.4 YPC the week before, and 1.5 YPC last season.

You can take out that run if it was a fluke... but, he out-ran all but one guy on the field who had a nice angle on him.
In other words, you can't remove that one run.

The guy who caught Ford is also a 3x all pro who made a miracle shoe string effort.

 

[Smack Tripper]

Everything is speculation at this point but I suspect Ford gets most of the work. They have been speaking highly of Ford all off season and he has looked good. If he starts to string together a few underwhelming performances that could open the door for Hunt but I think they want Ford to do well and get 20-25 touches per game (rushing & receiving).

Has he looked good? He had one long run, where he ran into his own blocker, reversed field, and defense blew their contain. Should have been a loss. Guarantee the coaches are not happy in the film room. Take out that run and he's at 2.4 YPC, after 2.4 YPC the week before, and 1.5 YPC last season.

You can take out that run if it was a fluke... but, he out-ran all but one guy on the field who had a nice angle on him.
In other words, you can't remove that one run.

If you remove all of Barry Sanders long runs he’s not a HOFer, because he’s the all-time leader in losing yards behind the line of scrimmage.

Please tell me you didn't compare Barry Sanders to Jerome Ford

They’d split Carries today.

Of course Barry is pushing 60

 

[Chaka]

Everything is speculation at this point but I suspect Ford gets most of the work. They have been speaking highly of Ford all off season and he has looked good. If he starts to string together a few underwhelming performances that could open the door for Hunt but I think they want Ford to do well and get 20-25 touches per game (rushing & receiving).

Has he looked good? He had one long run, where he ran into his own blocker, reversed field, and defense blew their contain. Should have been a loss. Guarantee the coaches are not happy in the film room. Take out that run and he's at 2.4 YPC, after 2.4 YPC the week before, and 1.5 YPC last season.

You can take out that run if it was a fluke... but, he out-ran all but one guy on the field who had a nice angle on him.
In other words, you can't remove that one run.

Sure you can, if you are doing an honest evaluation of his performance.

Actually, that's the most dishonest form is statistical evaluation.

Maths is fun.

 

[titusbramble]

Outside of his 69 yard scamper, Ford has not been that effective yet

And the TD & the 2 PAT?

take away every player’s best play of the game and they wouldn’t be that effective.

But he did have a 69 yard scamper.
So…..yeah. He was effective.

I didn't see the play, but read that it was a bit of a fluky play. That said, it still counts and boosts his 2 ypc average up a bit.

Ypc is a flawed metric. You need to see the whole picture.

For example, If a RB got exactly 3.5 ypc every single carry he’d be the best RB in the league even though we traditionally don’t regard 3.5 as a good number.

He would also win a Super Bowl

 

[Anarchy99]

Let's try to attack this from a different angle. Last year, with 158 touches, Hunt ranked RB 55 in PPG (1 PPR) at 7.5 ppg. (He ranked 40th in total points as he managed to play in every game). All that happened with Chubb getting 329 touches (and Watson missing 11 games). (On a side note, Watson averaged 14.3 ppg last year and has averaged 16.1 ppg so far this season).

Entering all that data into your supercomputer, tablet, BI / data analytics package, or abacus . . . do people expect Hunt to see more touches? More productivity? Clearly he needs to improve on one or the other (if not both) to be a worthy fantasy asset this year (as opposed to just being a bench player that you hope you never have to play).

 

[Sam Quentin]

Let's try to attack this from a different angle. Last year, with 158 touches, Hunt ranked RB 55 in PPG (1 PPR) at 7.5 ppg. (He ranked 40th in total points as he managed to play in every game). All that happened with Chubb getting 329 touches (and Watson missing 11 games). (On a side note, Watson averaged 14.3 ppg last year and has averaged 16.1 ppg so far this season).

Entering all that data into your supercomputer, tablet, BI / data analytics package, or abacus . . . do people expect Hunt to see more touches? More productivity? Clearly he needs to improve on one or the other (if not both) to be a worthy fantasy asset this year (as opposed to just being a bench player that you hope you never have to play).

More touches - yes. Because Ford << Chubb in terms of running, arching and pass pro
More productivity - likely. Hunt has been much more productive per touch over his career than last seasons dumpster fire.

 

[JohnnyU]

Let's try to attack this from a different angle. Last year, with 158 touches, Hunt ranked RB 55 in PPG (1 PPR) at 7.5 ppg. (He ranked 40th in total points as he managed to play in every game). All that happened with Chubb getting 329 touches (and Watson missing 11 games). (On a side note, Watson averaged 14.3 ppg last year and has averaged 16.1 ppg so far this season).

Entering all that data into your supercomputer, tablet, BI / data analytics package, or abacus . . . do people expect Hunt to see more touches? More productivity? Clearly he needs to improve on one or the other (if not both) to be a worthy fantasy asset this year (as opposed to just being a bench player that you hope you never have to play).

More touches - yes. Because Ford << Chubb in terms of running, arching and pass pro
More productivity - likely. Hunt has been much more productive per touch over his career than last seasons dumpster fire.

You're forgetting one thing most likely - Hunt << Ford right now, so that probably means a lot more touches for Ford and more productivity for Ford. Again, I have 0 shares of Ford and one share of Hunt and I sure could use him because I have crap for RBs in that league. My hopes for Hunt helping me aren't great IMO.

 

[Warhogs]

We can all have opinions and that is what makes fantasy football what it is. I would be cautious about throwing out Hunt's numbers for last year and projecting what he may do based on prior to last year. Running backs break down and it isn't an exact science if it's going to happen at 26, 28 or 32 (it's variable). Hunt returning to the team he played for last year would bode well for being ready to go quickly and he has had a history of being a successful RB which bodes well. Cleveland did decide to move on from Hunt and D'Ernest Johnson and go with Ford which could have been about money or the fact that they believed Ford was ready to be a good NFL RB. Landing in CLE after the Chubb injury may be about as good a landing spot as Hunt could have hoped for. My thinking is Ford is going to get the first opportunity to show he can be the lead back. If he fails, Hunt will get his chance next and then the question becomes is Hunt more of the RB he was in his early years or is he more of the RB he was last year. There are still a couple hurdles to jump for Hunt to gain any significant value.

 

[LawFitz]

one thing most likely - Hunt << Ford

This may or may not be true. 2021 Hunt > 2023 Ford IMO. Not sure what happened with 2022 Hunt. It may have had something to do with motivation, injury, or as many have suggested he lost it at age 27. Given the time off he had in his career, I'm not convinced it was for certain the latter.

 

[efactor]

Just packaged Hunt and Waddle for AJ Brown. 14 team league where you have to start 2 RBs and the other owner lost both Chubb and Dobbins. Not much on the WW as far as RBs.

 

[JohnnyU]

Just packaged Hunt and Waddle for AJ Brown. 14 team league where you have to start 2 RBs and the other owner lost both Chubb and Dobbins. Not much on the WW as far as RBs.

I would rather have Waddle

 

[efactor]

Just packaged Hunt and Waddle for AJ Brown. 14 team league where you have to start 2 RBs and the other owner lost both Chubb and Dobbins. Not much on the WW as far as RBs.

I would rather have Waddle

OK

 

[*****]

Everything is speculation at this point but I suspect Ford gets most of the work. They have been speaking highly of Ford all off season and he has looked good. If he starts to string together a few underwhelming performances that could open the door for Hunt but I think they want Ford to do well and get 20-25 touches per game (rushing & receiving).

Has he looked good? He had one long run, where he ran into his own blocker, reversed field, and defense blew their contain. Should have been a loss. Guarantee the coaches are not happy in the film room. Take out that run and he's at 2.4 YPC, after 2.4 YPC the week before, and 1.5 YPC last season.

You can take out that run if it was a fluke... but, he out-ran all but one guy on the field who had a nice angle on him.
In other words, you can't remove that one run.

Sure you can, if you are doing an honest evaluation of his per

Actually, that's the most dishonest form is statistical evaluation.

Maths is fun.

Everything is speculation at this point but I suspect Ford gets most of the work. They have been speaking highly of Ford all off season and he has looked good. If he starts to string together a few underwhelming performances that could open the door for Hunt but I think they want Ford to do well and get 20-25 touches per game (rushing & receiving).

Has he looked good? He had one long run, where he ran into his own blocker, reversed field, and defense blew their contain. Should have been a loss. Guarantee the coaches are not happy in the film room. Take out that run and he's at 2.4 YPC, after 2.4 YPC the week before, and 1.5 YPC last season.

You can take out that run if it was a fluke... but, he out-ran all but one guy on the field who had a nice angle on him.
In other words, you can't remove that one run.

Sure you can, if you are doing an honest evaluation of his performance.

Actually, that's the most dishonest form is statistical evaluation.

Maths is fun.

Well, whether you remove that run or not, Ford has one good carry in his two year career. At a minimum, the comments that he is better than Hunt or has looked great in the running game are unfounded. Seems like a lot of folks are seeing what they want or trying to convince themselves.

Ford will get his his shot to be featured according to Stefanski. So be it. But Ford has yet to prove he can do more than 2022 Kareem Hunt. But he will get his shot.

 

[Chaka]

Everything is speculation at this point but I suspect Ford gets most of the work. They have been speaking highly of Ford all off season and he has looked good. If he starts to string together a few underwhelming performances that could open the door for Hunt but I think they want Ford to do well and get 20-25 touches per game (rushing & receiving).

Has he looked good? He had one long run, where he ran into his own blocker, reversed field, and defense blew their contain. Should have been a loss. Guarantee the coaches are not happy in the film room. Take out that run and he's at 2.4 YPC, after 2.4 YPC the week before, and 1.5 YPC last season.

You can take out that run if it was a fluke... but, he out-ran all but one guy on the field who had a nice angle on him.
In other words, you can't remove that one run.

Sure you can, if you are doing an honest evaluation of his per

Actually, that's the most dishonest form is statistical evaluation.

Maths is fun.

Everything is speculation at this point but I suspect Ford gets most of the work. They have been speaking highly of Ford all off season and he has looked good. If he starts to string together a few underwhelming performances that could open the door for Hunt but I think they want Ford to do well and get 20-25 touches per game (rushing & receiving).

Has he looked good? He had one long run, where he ran into his own blocker, reversed field, and defense blew their contain. Should have been a loss. Guarantee the coaches are not happy in the film room. Take out that run and he's at 2.4 YPC, after 2.4 YPC the week before, and 1.5 YPC last season.

You can take out that run if it was a fluke... but, he out-ran all but one guy on the field who had a nice angle on him.
In other words, you can't remove that one run.

Sure you can, if you are doing an honest evaluation of his performance.

Actually, that's the most dishonest form is statistical evaluation.

Maths is fun.

Well, whether you remove that run or not, Ford has one good carry in his two year career. At a minimum, the comments that he is better than Hunt or has looked great in the running game are unfounded. Seems like a lot of folks are seeing what they want or trying to convince themselves.

Ford will get his his shot to be featured according to Stefanski. So be it. But Ford has yet to prove he can do more than 2022 Kareem Hunt. But he will get his shot.

We have no idea what to expect from Ford, no doubt. He's had carries in four games, in the one game he was actually featured he did very well.

He probably won't be great and I don't think anyone is expecting him to be, but he's getting first shot in a strong running offense. And in our hobby volume is king.

Hunt may be better than Ford, maybe not but he wasn't good enough to warrant his price tag. He was below average last year and didn't generate any interest this off season. He also hasn't had a 69 yard gain since his rookie season.

But he is probably next man up in a strong running offense now so he's definitely worth rostering.

 

[BobbyLayne]

in our hobby volume is king.

No doubt. We've seen a lot of mediocre talent RBs put up good fantasy numbers solely bc they had the volume so inefficiency didn't matter.

Will that be the case with Ford?

I'll admit I don't know jack about jerome Ford other than reading his bio and draft profile from 2022 this summer and thinking "oh wow that's not a handcuff, that's a break glass in emergency plan."

• 4 star recruit, RB17 in his class, 59th best player in Florida
• couldn't crack the lineup in two years at Alabama
• transferred to Cincinnati, backup to Gerrid Doak in 2020
• very productive Senior year, age 22 breakout, 5th round selection
• 8 caries for 12 yards in 13 games as a rookie KR (good one, but only saw offensive touches in two games)
• 15-36 in his first game
• 15-37 in his second game + a 69 yarder when he reversed field
• ALL the carries count - ask Barry Sanders how the math works, nobody ever had as many negative runs - but it is at a minimum interesting that 38 of his 39 career carries were pedestrian

Hunt isn't the back he was a few years ago, but I'm not sure Jerome Ford profiles as an ascendent star either. BUT.....elite offensive line, team committed to running the ball, and for now it's his job to lose. Could well be an average back who puts up great fantasy numbers. Not really expecting Kareem to force the coaches to make another switch bc "in the end talent wins".....he may not have it anymore,

But for this week, I don't think you can start either bc of the matchup and the relative uncertainty about where this is headed.

 

[spurs44]

in our hobby volume is king.

No doubt. We've seen a lot of mediocre talent RBs put up good fantasy numbers solely bc they had the volume so inefficiency didn't matter.

Will that be the case with Ford?

I'll admit I don't know jack about jerome Ford other than reading his bio and draft profile from 2022 this summer and thinking "oh wow that's not a handcuff, that's a break glass in emergency plan."

• 4 star recruit, RB17 in his class, 59th best player in Florida
• couldn't crack the lineup in two years at Alabama
• transferred to Cincinnati, backup to Gerrid Doak in 2020
• very productive Senior year, age 22 breakout, 5th round selection
• 8 caries for 12 yards in 13 games as a rookie KR (good one, but only saw offensive touches in two games)
• 15-36 in his first game
• 15-37 in his second game + a 69 yarder when he reversed field
• ALL the carries count - ask Barry Sanders how the math works, nobody ever had as many negative runs - but it is at a minimum interesting that 38 of his 39 career carries were pedestrian

Hunt isn't the back he was a few years ago, but I'm not sure Jerome Ford profiles as an ascendent star either. BUT.....elite offensive line, team committed to running the ball, and for now it's his job to lose. Could well be an average back who puts up great fantasy numbers. Not really expecting Kareem to force the coaches to make another switch bc "in the end talent wins".....he may not have it anymore,

But for this week, I don't think you can start either bc of the matchup and the relative uncertainty about where this is headed.

I thought the coach specifically stated Ford was the starter and lead back. Forgive me but I see a close to washed up rb in Hunt that was signed to fill a bench role. Ford did great last week. Isn't he the reason they let go.of Hunt to begin with? Seems pretty straight forward to me.

 

[BobbyLayne]

in our hobby volume is king.

No doubt. We've seen a lot of mediocre talent RBs put up good fantasy numbers solely bc they had the volume so inefficiency didn't matter.

Will that be the case with Ford?

I'll admit I don't know jack about jerome Ford other than reading his bio and draft profile from 2022 this summer and thinking "oh wow that's not a handcuff, that's a break glass in emergency plan."

• 4 star recruit, RB17 in his class, 59th best player in Florida
• couldn't crack the lineup in two years at Alabama
• transferred to Cincinnati, backup to Gerrid Doak in 2020
• very productive Senior year, age 22 breakout, 5th round selection
• 8 caries for 12 yards in 13 games as a rookie KR (good one, but only saw offensive touches in two games)
• 15-36 in his first game
• 15-37 in his second game + a 69 yarder when he reversed field
• ALL the carries count - ask Barry Sanders how the math works, nobody ever had as many negative runs - but it is at a minimum interesting that 38 of his 39 career carries were pedestrian

Hunt isn't the back he was a few years ago, but I'm not sure Jerome Ford profiles as an ascendent star either. BUT.....elite offensive line, team committed to running the ball, and for now it's his job to lose. Could well be an average back who puts up great fantasy numbers. Not really expecting Kareem to force the coaches to make another switch bc "in the end talent wins".....he may not have it anymore,

But for this week, I don't think you can start either bc of the matchup and the relative uncertainty about where this is headed.

I thought the coach specifically stated Ford was the starter and lead back. Forgive me but I see a close to washed up rb in Hunt that was signed to fill a bench role. Ford did great last week. Isn't he the reason they let go.of Hunt to begin with? Seems pretty straight forward to me.

well there you go - plain and simple, black and white, no nuance to consider here

yes Stefanski said Ford is the lead back

 

[tricky92]

Everything is speculation at this point but I suspect Ford gets most of the work. They have been speaking highly of Ford all off season and he has looked good. If he starts to string together a few underwhelming performances that could open the door for Hunt but I think they want Ford to do well and get 20-25 touches per game (rushing & receiving).

Has he looked good? He had one long run, where he ran into his own blocker, reversed field, and defense blew their contain. Should have been a loss. Guarantee the coaches are not happy in the film room. Take out that run and he's at 2.4 YPC, after 2.4 YPC the week before, and 1.5 YPC last season.

You can take out that run if it was a fluke... but, he out-ran all but one guy on the field who had a nice angle on him.
In other words, you can't remove that one run.

Sure you can, if you are doing an honest evaluation of his per

Actually, that's the most dishonest form is statistical evaluation.

Maths is fun.

Everything is speculation at this point but I suspect Ford gets most of the work. They have been speaking highly of Ford all off season and he has looked good. If he starts to string together a few underwhelming performances that could open the door for Hunt but I think they want Ford to do well and get 20-25 touches per game (rushing & receiving).

Has he looked good? He had one long run, where he ran into his own blocker, reversed field, and defense blew their contain. Should have been a loss. Guarantee the coaches are not happy in the film room. Take out that run and he's at 2.4 YPC, after 2.4 YPC the week before, and 1.5 YPC last season.

You can take out that run if it was a fluke... but, he out-ran all but one guy on the field who had a nice angle on him.
In other words, you can't remove that one run.

Sure you can, if you are doing an honest evaluation of his performance.

Actually, that's the most dishonest form is statistical evaluation.

Maths is fun.

Well, whether you remove that run or not, Ford has one good carry in his two year career. At a minimum, the comments that he is better than Hunt or has looked great in the running game are unfounded. Seems like a lot of folks are seeing what they want or trying to convince themselves.

Ford will get his his shot to be featured according to Stefanski. So be it. But Ford has yet to prove he can do more than 2022 Kareem Hunt. But he will get his shot.

If Ford can't do better than 2022 Hunt, then that backfield will be a wasteland.

 

[Uncle Leo]

I love how folks with investment in Ford and Hunt want to believe their guy is the one. It will all play out in a few weeks. RBBC is most likely the outcome here.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I grabbed him in a 12 team league I had a spot to burn.

Hopefully he rounds into the receiving side of this timeshare.

I’ve got Ford in another league.

Who knows how this shakes out. Browns might suck so much I end up dropping both.