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RB Leonard Fournette, FA (4 Viewers)
- Thread starter Faust
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rockaction
Footballguy
Faust, jeepers. That just happened and you've already changed his team!
How do you do it?
How do you do it?
rockaction
Footballguy
Lolz wut?
Nah, that was indeed the joke.
Nah, that was indeed the joke.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Boston
Footballguy
Blick
Footballguy
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
As a Fournette and Stevenson owner in one league I endorse Fournette’s decision to sign back with Tampa!
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Those were likely going to be useless sooner rather than later at some point anyway. If they didn't resign Fournette it would be another veteran or a first or second round rookie RB in the mix.
jm192
Footballguy
It was mostly a joke haha.
I picked him up everywhere he had been dropped just in case, but agree with everything you said.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
I agree with this and don't know if I'd trust him to stay motivated after back to back humbling free agency periods.
Capella
Footballguy
Yea that’s definitely a thing. I suspect he figured if he was awesome in 2021 (and he pretty much was) that he’d go and get a huge payday. From the outside it doesn’t seem like his agent kept his expectations in check. So we’ll see how he reacts but he’s also a proud player and I can’t see him intentionally or unintentionally letting Brady down either.
rockaction
Footballguy
It's only nine million guaranteed, I'm hearing. It's a fool's errand for someone like me to try and figure out what motivates these guys, so I'll only post that the guarantee seems like an awfully small amount compared to what he might have been expecting.
There is such a glut at that position. He actually looked great last year. People are too quick to write this guy off or think that Tampa will use a higher-round pick on a back. I think it's Day Three tops unless Brady wants somebody like James Cook.
Regardless of any draft pick they use on a RB, Fournette finally was in a situation where he could start on a good team that let him attempt to thrive in all aspects of the game, and he looked awesome. Whether age catches up with him is another issue, but I think it's a perfect fit.
For now.
rockaction
Footballguy
It's eleven million guaranteed. They reported it wrong.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Had a hunch this would happen. I was half-heartedly attempting to get a share of Vaughn, but I’m now glad my advances were rejected.
I just keep hating the Bucs more and more and hope they lose many, many games this year.
I just keep hating the Bucs more and more and hope they lose many, many games this year.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I wonder what happens if Jones is signed elsewhere. I am assuming he will because I really think Arians hates him. I know he has been vocal about it but I think it is worse than that. Anyway I wonder if Vaughn could survive the draft as a handcuff.Dr. Octopus said:
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I can’t say it’s not possible - my guess is they’d draft a RB somewhere. There’s still some free agents out there as well. It doesn’t seem like Arians has been a big fan, and if Brady was he’d be on the field.
rockaction
Footballguy
Arians just called Vaughn "a three-down back" at the end of this year. He pumped his tires something fierce when Fournette was out with his hammy. How much of that was disgust with Jones is something for the coach whisperer to determine, but he was heaping praise on Vaughn this year.
That doesn't mean #### from shinola, however.
That doesn't mean #### from shinola, however.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Why?
Marpet retired, but they traded for Shaq Mason who is one of the best run blocking guards in the game. They lost Cappa but have Stinnie, who was invisible when he filled in, which is a good thing. Could, and likely will, spend an early pick at guard.
Smith, Jensen, and Wirfs all still there.
Assuming Gronk re-signs, Fournette running right over Mason and Wirfs with Gronk sealing the EDGE is a nightmare for defenses.
Blick
Footballguy
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Inside track obviously to be one of the few full load 3 down backs there are, and he probably still comes at a discount.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Faust
MVP
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Yeah Vaughn flashed towards the end of the year as well and I also noticed that Arians pumped up Vaughn. But yeah doesn't necessarily mean anything. Just to get backup work.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I wasn’t impressed with Vaughn at any point last year.
Bucs just re-signed Bernard, and hearing talk that the Bucs might take a RB in the draft…feels like Vaughn’s stock might be dropping a little.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
He looked pretty good to me when he got run at the end of the year. It was limited of course. And yeah I know there is chatter about them taking a RB but I just don't believe they take one on day 1 or day 2. I think they are all in with LF as the bellcow and they will draft someone for depth and upside (because everyone needs RBs) and whoever that person is will compete with Vaughn. But I am hopeful he has the inside track in such a scenario. But I mean...so what if I end up right? It is still just a handcuff at best. And yes Gio can still make plays and will get some run as well. I have Vaughn in a couple spots where I need warm bodies at RB and am looking for some small value spike (after he theoretically survives the draft). He really is hanging on a couple of my rosters by the slimmest of hairs, but fundamentally Jones II leaving town helped him. His stock definitely got higher (even if it ends up being a mirage) but is still dirt cheap. He is available in the FA pool in 12/16 of my SF leagues after cutdown last night. I roster him in 1 of those remaining 4. Only available in 1/8 single-QB leagues, but that is because I have him in 3 of those other 7. @NE_REVIVALhas him in our SharkPool league.
Anyway yeah not a ton of upside unless he actually is the hand cuff and something happens with LF. There may be a decent little floor as a desperation RB play inseason, though. *If* he survives the draft.
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
Tom Brady likes Leonard Fournette...
“At this time, I was a free agent, so I didn’t know if I was going to return to the Bucs or not — future was uncertain,” Fournette said on “The Rich Eisen Show.” “So, I just went around shopping, you know, see what teams had in store for me. When I went up to New England, he texted me. He was like, ‘Man, what’s your ### doing up there?’ I said, ‘Man, just shopping around, seeing what’s good for me, trying to see what’s available for myself to provide for my family.’ He was like, ‘Man, I’ll call you back. I’ll call you back.’ Next thing you know, Tampa calls me with an offer.”
“At this time, I was a free agent, so I didn’t know if I was going to return to the Bucs or not — future was uncertain,” Fournette said on “The Rich Eisen Show.” “So, I just went around shopping, you know, see what teams had in store for me. When I went up to New England, he texted me. He was like, ‘Man, what’s your ### doing up there?’ I said, ‘Man, just shopping around, seeing what’s good for me, trying to see what’s available for myself to provide for my family.’ He was like, ‘Man, I’ll call you back. I’ll call you back.’ Next thing you know, Tampa calls me with an offer.”
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
Funny thing is...saw this topic at the top. Was going to comment on the fact that I thought he was the most likely NFL player to show up out-of-shape for TC. Low and behold, real life beat me to it.
zamboni
Footballguy
Wise Old Owl
Footballguy
I view this as a non-story. Maybe even an opportunity to buy low. It doesn't really matter if the coaches are unhappy with him. He's Brady's guy and he is calling the shots. Fournette has plenty of time to get into game shape, and he's already contesting the 260 weight number. With Evans being the only established pass catcher that will be ready to start the season I think Fournette will be heavily involved in the passing game.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Landwhale White 2.0?Faust said:
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I'm inclined to agree, but it's worth paying attention to. It's odd for a team to call out a player like that without a basis in fact. Usually public shaming is a tactic to get the player motivated to lose weight.
Also reportedly, he was wearing a girdle at practice to get his boiler tucked in.
You can see the outline of it in this pic.
I know a lot of players come into camp heavy so when they do shed lbs in workouts they're back to their playing weight. But ~30 lbs overweight is more than just a little pudge.
So while I agree it's likely not terribly relevant, and I will draft as a relative bargain at his ADP (and hopefully this tanks it a little), it's definitely worth monitoring up until redraft season is here. If we get to mid-August and he's still looking festively plump, I may pass on him.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Yes - these guys drop a lot of weight during 90 degree days of training camp. This will be a non-story come Week 1.
Brady stood on the table for the team to bring him back - he’s one of the few bell-cow backs in the league right now.
Wise Old Owl
Footballguy
I haven't actually seen anywhere that the coaches called him out. At least not publicly. This whole story is a result of a Tampa Bay Times reporter saying this on his podcast. If this was Bowles or Arians openly criticizing Fournette that might be a different thing but this just feels like empty camp updates in a slow news week.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
The article I pulled that pic from cited coaches.
"Coaches were not happy, and that’s an understatement, when he didn’t participate in the OTAs, but then he shows up at the mandatory minicamp weighing damn near 260. And that’s not a good sign for a guy that you just spent a three-year contract on," Stroud explained on his podcast, according to the New York Post”
While again, I agree it’s not *that* big a deal, it would be pretty ballsy/risky for Stroud to cite TB coaches if he didn’t actually get that from coaches.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
What people are also missing is that those reports were from OTAs/mini-camp, not training camp. If he's still 260 pounds for the start of camp, maybe that will then be an issue. Right now the only reason it's even a story is because of the "funny" memes that call him Eddie Lacy.
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Hot Sauce Guy
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Mister CIA
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Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Leonard Fournette’s sauna strategy for weight loss isn’t a wise one
...Sweating off the weight by sitting in a sauna leads to dehydration, which can lead to cramps while performing — and other problems.
Long-time NFL athletic trainer Mike Ryan, now the Sports Medicine Analyst for Sunday Night Football, shared his thoughts on the matter via text message.
“Sitting in a hot sauna may result in a lower number on the scale but it’s simply from water loss,” Ryan said. “In doing so, dehydration from this weight-loss game plan puts the athlete at a higher risk of exertional heat illness.
“High-performance athletes needing to lose weight are better served by prolonged exposure to hot-weather training while being well hydrated. I’ve witnessed plenty of NFL players shortcut the safe method to reach their training camp weight, and it often impairs both their safety and performance.”
...Sweating off the weight by sitting in a sauna leads to dehydration, which can lead to cramps while performing — and other problems.
Long-time NFL athletic trainer Mike Ryan, now the Sports Medicine Analyst for Sunday Night Football, shared his thoughts on the matter via text message.
“Sitting in a hot sauna may result in a lower number on the scale but it’s simply from water loss,” Ryan said. “In doing so, dehydration from this weight-loss game plan puts the athlete at a higher risk of exertional heat illness.
“High-performance athletes needing to lose weight are better served by prolonged exposure to hot-weather training while being well hydrated. I’ve witnessed plenty of NFL players shortcut the safe method to reach their training camp weight, and it often impairs both their safety and performance.”
