oddsbodkins
Footballguy
Well balls. Should be 100% for next year.
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RB Le'Veon Bell, FA (16 Viewers)
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@JasonLaCanfora: Bell under went testing today including MRI. Other DRs may read it tomorrow and check swelling. Bottom line - Pead will take his spot
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Not really. Talking with the surgeon for the Seahawks, he showed us the recovery of an ACL over the course of a year. The ACL doesn't fully grow into the bone until month 12-14. So many of these pro athletes come back after about 8 months, but seeing that ct scan personally, it's amazing there aren't more repeat tears. I guess high or deer antler spray really helps that much... Bell will probably be a step slower to start the year. If he can start the year. I wouldn't be surprised if he missed 2-3 games to start
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ROYALWITCHEESE
Footballguy
Only if you can get the hamstrings to relax. They can cause false negative Lachmans and Anterior Drawer. Soon after injury the athlete has a hard time relaxing.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
No. In fact, this test os very unreliable. Research has shown its accuracy to RANGE from 50-90% at diagnosing an ACL tear. I've been dead wrong thinking an ACL is there, confirmed by others, and yet the Mri comes back positive for a tear. The hamstrings can guard simulating a hard end feel of an ACL present, not to mention the edema itself can limit the test. A lot of athletic trainers feel like they can diagnose so easily with these tests but in reality, 1) they cannot diagnose legally, and 2) field tests are extremely limited in sensitivity/specificity. Athletic trainers should stick to taping ankles
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jurb26
Footballguy
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I have this talk with patients a lot.
Take a Kleenex, since I can't demonstrate, tear the edge. That's a tear. Poke your finger through it. That's a tear. Now scratch it, that's a tear too.
Now use that analogy for muscles/ligaments/tendons in the body.
Technically, a pulled hamstring is a grade 1 tear. So no, there is a wide variety of tears
ghostguy123
Footballguy
So he tore his MCL. No tear to ACL.
I guess all people really care right now is the outlook for 2016. Assuming it was a "bad tear" and that he works hard, should he come back good as new?
I guess all people really care right now is the outlook for 2016. Assuming it was a "bad tear" and that he works hard, should he come back good as new?
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Mcl tear is much better than an ACL tear, but the mechanism looked ACL with MCL. I guess we will see, but if it's just MCL I would expect him to do fairly well to start the year. An ACL will obviously complicate things and take longer
jurb26
Footballguy
Yeah, I thought they called those other "tears" pulls or stains, ect.
ROYALWITCHEESE
Footballguy
I don't see how that ACL can still be there, after seeing the injury. He dodged a major bullet if it is intact.
T J
Footballguy
Fair enough - but specifically in dealing with an MCL tear, what would someone who says "badly torn" be saying?
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Ok, yes, a rupture vs a strain vs a tear. A tear can be 50%, 75%. A torn ligament such as the MCL can take bone with it (which is actually good, because you can screw it all back down, but takes more healing time), it integrates into the meniscus so he could have meniscus involvement. Who knows, there's a lot of extra stuff that could make it a really bad tear
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Gonna be a lot of Bell trades going on in dynasty. I have Bell on both my main dynasty teams and am looking to move him in one or both, depending on the deal.
I wonder what some teams out of contention might be willing to give up
I wonder what some teams out of contention might be willing to give up
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I completely agree. If the ACL isn't gone I'd be shocked. Saw it live and immediately canceled my trade offer for bell
jurb26
Footballguy
Whaaaat? Micro fracture surgery. That would be brutal.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Micro fracture isn't a terrible surgery but it's not typical at all for an MCL. He'd have to have torn some significant cartilage. Honestly, they would probably try to avoid this unless it was that bad but the risk is if he doesn't heal well he could end up getting this eventually and miss even more time.
Keep in mind, this Twitter account is just speculating
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ChuckLiddell
Footballguy
Huge bummer.
So is Isaiah Pead going to be the cuff for DWill now? Weak cuff, but solid offense. I guess if you are now riding DW you may wan tto insure him with Pead if he is the guy.
So is Isaiah Pead going to be the cuff for DWill now? Weak cuff, but solid offense. I guess if you are now riding DW you may wan tto insure him with Pead if he is the guy.
ROYALWITCHEESE
Footballguy
Bring back Josh Harris or Ben Tate.
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Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Lott's Fingertip
Footballguy
Bell owner in my 12 team league dropped him in week 5, not sure why, he has no RB depth (Bell, Lacy.... Woodhead in zero PPR). I picked him up this past week as a lottery ticket. Picked up Charcandrick West two weeks before Jamaal Charles went down too (I own Charles). I'm not sure if I am psychic or a jinx.
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Godsbrother
Footballguy
Todem
Footballguy
Yeah it's what I figured. That was plain bad. Knee collapsed in big time.
Another one bites the dust. Arguably the #1 and #2 (Charles) RB's gone for the year. What a terrible season for injuries.
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Todem
Footballguy
Neither.
Plain lucky.
In my redraft we basically have one spot to stash a player. Bench is short so guys can't stash players.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
and Forte has a knee injury and Foster is done. Lacy has had an ouchy ankle and has played like crap for the most part.
I think I might go WR-WR-WR next year
steelers1080
Footballguy
Dezbelief
Footballguy
Dez, Jordy and Benjamin?
Fat Nick
Footballguy
Went TE-WR-WR...(Gronk, ODB, Hopkins). Not in 1st thanks to some horrible bye weeks and injuries to my RB's, but I should be a powerhouse headed down the stretch. I picked up Dez after week 1, when the owner dropped him, and I'll be able to pull Williams after Bell's injury. I'm so afraid of RB's due to injuries that I haven't picked an RB before the 4th round the last two years.
The wake-up call here is that if you have a stud RB, and he's got a clear back-up, there's no reason not to roster the back-up. Bell owner in our league basically just got a huge kick in the nuts.
The wake-up call here is that if you have a stud RB, and he's got a clear back-up, there's no reason not to roster the back-up. Bell owner in our league basically just got a huge kick in the nuts.
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
Frank Black
Footballguy
On the other hand, year after year, the "experts" and most of us on the threads say not to waste roster space with handcuffs. There are two legitimate schools of thought on this issue.
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oddsbodkins
Footballguy
Maybe he gets 2/3rds of that production? Still, that would be a boon... wish I had him as a handcuff.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
DoubleG
Footballguy
I think the issue in this particular case of handcuffs is a little different though. I generally don't hang on to handcuffs either - but as a Bell owner, I did keep DWill.
First off, in many cases, the handcuff for a starting NFL RB is NOT an NFL-starting caliber RB. DWill is arguably still an NFL starting caliber fill in.
Second, due to the point above, the "handcuff" usually isn't a handcuff at all - just a "handcuff by committee" taken by most coaching staffs. Just take a look at the difference between Houston and Pittsburgh - in Houston, Blue and Polk had 14 and 8 carries respectively yesterday in Foster's absence. Once Bell went down, you had DWill with all 9 carries (in a half of football).
Third, we have a precedent in weeks 1 & 2. Williams received 21 & 20 carries in those two games - for a total of 204 rushing yards and 3 TDs. That's damn near RB1 land (and also supports point 1 about DWill still being starting NFL talent - and point 2 , that he'll get the lion's share) No, it's not L. Bell numbers, but it's certainly better than most other options.
The Hank
Footballguy
Check DeAngelos stats from 1st 2 games, I think he puts up VERY similar #'s to Bell
Nah, anyone of any height/weight is susceptible to the type of hit Bell took. Leg got caught under him as the players weight landed on it and they both slid. The perfect storm for an injury. Nothing you can do to prevent it.
oddsbodkins
Footballguy
My thought is he had those nice games during the first two games of the year before defenses really gel. I think it's a mistake to think he's going to do what Bell normally does. Sure, some weeks could definitely have RB1 upside but I think it's fair to expect RB2 numbers overall.
