RB Mike Davis, BAL (2 Viewers)

[ldizzle]

If you can't imagine why Davis went in the late 5th then maybe fantasy football just isnt for you.  He is a starting rb on a good offense with an offensive minded coach that has a rep for bringing out the talent in running backs.   Again, dude you are way too hung up with his supposed skill set and not focusing on his sheer volume and opportunity. 

It’s obvious based on the Ollison dynasty thread he was hoping that Ollison would take the job. Very biased IMO. For someone that was completely wrong about Ollison I don’t see how they might not think they are completely wrong about Davis. 
 

In February? they had the opportunity to sign Gallman and Davis. They went Davis and gave him a $5M contract, $3M guaranteed. Niners signed Gallman $900k no guarantee. Then they cut Gallman and keep Hasty over him, shocker. They are going to give Davis all the opportunity. 
 

im not advocating drafting Davis at ADP but if he drops in the draft there is value there.

 

[pantherclub]

It’s obvious based on the Ollison dynasty thread he was hoping that Ollison would take the job. Very biased IMO. For someone that was completely wrong about Ollison I don’t see how they might not think they are completely wrong about Davis. 
 

In February? they had the opportunity to sign Gallman and Davis. They went Davis and gave him a $5M contract, $3M guaranteed. Niners signed Gallman $900k no guarantee. Then they cut Gallman and keep Hasty over him, shocker. They are going to give Davis all the opportunity. 
 

im not advocating drafting Davis at ADP but if he drops in the draft there is value there.

He is going mid to late 5th.  Thats a damn bargain for a starting RB on a good offense.  Even playing devils advocate and if you think Gallman will eventually push him out you still get a starter for the first month or so of the season.    You are not drafting davis in the 5th hoping something happens.  He is starting.  Period.  Full stop.   He is going to get the opportunity right off the bat.  Thats value.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

No offense but you have literally said that about every falcon rb backup.  You do you

that is the point 

This isn't advanced calculus here. 

 

[pantherclub]

that is the point 

This isn't advanced calculus here. 

But you have been wrong at every point 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

But you have been wrong at every point 

Not at all. I’ve consistently said to take Mike Davis backup.

you’re interpretation of my posts is quite creative though. 

 

[Stinkin Ref]

Not at all. I’ve consistently said to take Mike Davis backup.

you’re interpretation of my posts is quite creative though. 

HSG....I think the thing is it feels like you are trying to downplay Davis a little because

A.) Gallman as you say, "saved your bacon" last year....so you may be carrying a little hangover from that even tho he just got cut.....and is really JAG...

B.) I haven't visited it, but it sounds like you were all up on Ollison's onion's in his thread and he got cut too.....

I don't have a dog in the race, but I can see how others may be thinking how things went down has made you a little bitter and it may be affecting your opinion on Davis a little cause you want to try to make yourself feel better...it's just my   ....I get that the backup in ATL has value....pretty much all backups do on every team....just not sure Davis is one we really have to worry about being "supplanted" more than some of the others....in fact, his strangle hold on the job may be better than some guys being drafted before him at this point....

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

It’s obvious based on the Ollison dynasty thread he was hoping that Ollison would take the job. Very biased IMO. For someone that was completely wrong about Ollison I don’t see how they might not think they are completely wrong about Davis. 

What I was advocating was taking Mike Davis' backup. 

If you can't see why that would be a smart investment, I can't help you to see it. 

I am capable of separating my bias (ownership of Ollison) from my strategic suggestion of backing up the worst starting feature back in the NFL. 

Ollison was a back of my bench guy who I'd held for 3 or 4 years. When he became the RB2 in ATL, I was happy he had a chance to produce, yes. That's one subject. 

The other subject is that Mike Davis has a middling career as a JAG. 

These are entirely separate topics. For the purpose of this topic, I don't give a rats behind if it's Ollison or [literally any other RB] backing up Mike Davis. That player is worth rostering because Mike Davis is not a great RB, and ATL should be a decent source of RB production. 

im not advocating drafting Davis at ADP but if he drops in the draft there is value there.

Not in the 5th round it's not. No way. Not given his mediocrity & the ability of Gallman breathing down his neck. And also not given the players on the board around him you could have in the 5th instead. 

You're welcome to disagree. We can all have our opinions about Mike Davis. I checked the board rules and that's allowed.  IMO those taking Davis at ADP will regret it and are going by groupthink. Davis' ADP is only due to his opportunity, not his talent. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

HSG....I think the thing is it feels like you are trying to downplay Davis a little because

A.) Gallman as you say, "saved your bacon" last year....so you may be carrying a little hangover from that even tho he just got cut.....and is really JAG...

This is a narrative that is false. 

I like Gallman. I think Gallman is talented. I had him last year and yes - he helped me make the playoffs. 

That has zero to do with my feelings about Mike Davis. Sorry - it's a fiction. 

He (Gallman) got cut from the Niners because they can only roster so many RBs. and they have Wilson coming back in 8 weeks. Plus Hasty is cheap & showed well this preseason. IMO Gallman is a great pickup for the falcons, and a smart end-of-bench player to roster in FF, because he could well get the same opportunity as Davis if Davis struggles or gets hurt. 

I've been crystal clear in my reasoning here - no need to assign narratives to it. 

B.) I haven't visited it, but it sounds like you were all up on Ollison's onion's in his thread and he got cut too.....

My carrying Ollison for years in IDP only led to a little joy to see him finally get a shot as the RB2. 

Now that he's off the team, he's off my dynasty team & I didn't shed a single tear. 

You go ahead and enjoy Ollison's onions. I prefer to play the odds and take "next in line" backups in Fantasy Football, because it's the intelligent play. 

I don't have a dog in the race, but I can see how others may be thinking how things went down has made you a little bitter and it may be affecting your opinion on Davis a little cause you want to try to make yourself feel better...it's just my   ....I get that the backup in ATL has value....pretty much all backups do on every team....just not sure Davis is one we really have to worry about being "supplanted" more than some of the others....in fact, his strangle hold on the job may be better than some guys being drafted before him at this point....

I no longer have a dog in this race either. I went out of my way to give people advice. If they choose to fawn over a complete JAG in Davis while ignoring how good Gallman was last year playing behind a crap OL against stacked boxes, that's on them. 

It's not so much about being "supplanted" (which is possible, but RBBC is more likely) it's about being next in line as a feature back if Davis gets hurt or reverts to his career #s.  That's just smart FF. 

Gallman is free, off the wire, right now. Most next-in-line RB2s are rostered by now and have better players in front of them. 

If I were drafting this weekend, I would invest a late round pick in Gallman. If I drafted Davis (which I wouldn't at his ADP) then I would 100% handcuff him with Gallman late. That's probably the one true case where if the starter goes down the backup offers identical replacement value. 

I can give advice. No one is obligated to take it. You can lead a horse to water....

Y'all keep spinning narratives about my personal motives for saying to pick up the next-in-line in ATL. I'll keep focusing on playing smart fantasy football. 

 

[TVT 0 N S T A]

I don't really know why everyone is going in on @Hot Sauce Guy - he is just saying Mike Davis isn't worth a 5th round pick. 

I think he has backed up his statements pretty well and was optimistic about anyone's potential behind Mike Davis, who up until last year had a below average unnoteworthy career.  I mean, Ollison and Gallman are 1 season away from tying Mike Davis' for prolific years and they have been in the league significantly less.  I don't think at any point in time HSG was saying - Ollison is the second coming of Barry Sanders.  He was simply saying - worth a flier, because Mike Davis sucks.  

If you are taking Mike Davis with confidence in any of your leagues... I am not sure why.  The fact that ATL is continually searching for a RB2 upgrade tells me their confidence in Mike Davis is slightly (not much) higher than HSG.  

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

If you are taking Mike Davis with confidence in any of your leagues... I am not sure why.  The fact that ATL is continually searching for a RB2 upgrade tells me their confidence in Mike Davis is slightly (not much) higher than HSG.  

Agree with this, and further that the Falcons have now spent 3 seasons trying to find a RB tells me they may not be particularly good at evaluating the position.

But this is what happens when folks draft Mike Davis - they convince themselves that he’s better than he is.

accusations of bias are pure projection from the “I drafted Mike Davis at ADP” crowd. 

But hey, that’s FF. All I can do is offer advice. Folks can do what they like witn it. Personal attacks and assigning weird motives don't interest me much. 

 

[Stinkin Ref]

I don't really know why everyone is going in on @Hot Sauce Guy - he is just saying Mike Davis isn't worth a 5th round pick. 

I think he has backed up his statements pretty well and was optimistic about anyone's potential behind Mike Davis, who up until last year had a below average unnoteworthy career.  I mean, Ollison and Gallman are 1 season away from tying Mike Davis' for prolific years and they have been in the league significantly less.  I don't think at any point in time HSG was saying - Ollison is the second coming of Barry Sanders.  He was simply saying - worth a flier, because Mike Davis sucks.  

If you are taking Mike Davis with confidence in any of your leagues... I am not sure why.  The fact that ATL is continually searching for a RB2 upgrade tells me their confidence in Mike Davis is slightly (not much) higher than HSG.  

bolded above....to be fair.....ATL isn't the only team...this could be said about a lot of teams throughout the off season....heck the two super bowl teams brought in new guys.....there has been a lot of RB2/3 turnover across the league....all teams are continually searching for a RB2 upgrade....ATL isn't on some island here....

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

bolded above....to be fair.....ATL isn't the only team...this could be said about a lot of teams throughout the off season....heck the two super bowl teams brought in new guys.....there has been a lot of RB2/3 turnover across the league....all teams are continually searching for a RB2 upgrade....ATL isn't on some island here....

Due respect, but TB isn’t a good comp IMO. they lost faith in both Lenny & RoJo in the receiving role.
 

They didn’t bring in a RB2, they brought in a receiving specialist for a QB who’s made a career of dumping off to the RB in the flat. 

they have a 1A/1B situation sk either could be considered their RB2. 

 

[Stinkin Ref]

Due respect, but TB isn’t a good comp IMO. they lost faith in both Lenny & RoJo in the receiving role.
 

They didn’t bring in a RB2, they brought in a receiving specialist for a QB who’s made a career of dumping off to the RB in the flat. 

they have a 1A/1B situation sk either could be considered their RB2. 

I'm not going to list all of the moves by other teams in the backup RB area....there have been a TON.....thats the point....acting like ATL's search for an RB2 upgrade is some type of unicorn situation is stupid....it's not necessarily sending a "message" to Davis or some declaration of how they feel about his ability....its something every team does....so saying it like it is proving some point is flawed....

Gio could very well end up with the TB RB1 stats...and touches by seasons end.....not sure that would be a surprise....don't think we should get caught up in labels of "only a receiving specialist or third down back" or whatever necessarily...he can rush as well....but this is for another thread....

 

[Joe Bryant]

This is why I’ve had you on ignore. I will continue to hide your posts.

Both of you please drop it and keep it 100% focused on Mike Davis. Thanks. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I'm not going to list all of the moves by other teams in the backup RB area....there have been a TON.....thats the point....acting like ATL's search for an RB2 upgrade is some type of unicorn situation is stupid....it's not necessarily sending a "message" to Davis or some declaration of how they feel about his ability....its something every team does....so saying it like it is proving some point is flawed....

Gio could very well end up with the TB RB1 stats...and touches by seasons end.....not sure that would be a surprise....don't think we should get caught up in labels of "only a receiving specialist or third down back" or whatever necessarily...he can rush as well....but this is for another thread....

I mean, you literally just said they signed Bernard as an RB2 as a direct analogy to the Gallman signing in ATL.  

if you don’t want to get hung up on that “RB2” label, then maybe you shouldn’t use that label?

I just pointed out that they did not in fact  sign Bernard as an RB2. 

Everything else seems kinda irrelevant in the context of the Mike Davis topic.

 

 

[Stinkin Ref]

I mean, you literally just said they signed Bernard as an RB2 as a direct analogy to the Gallman signing in ATL.  

if you don’t want to get hung up on that “RB2” label, then maybe you shouldn’t use that label?

I just pointed out that they did not in fact  sign Bernard as an RB2. 

Everything else seems kinda irrelevant in the context of the Mike Davis topic.

 

omg....see now I've started down one of your rabbit holes.....I said the super bowl teams both brought in new guys....I didn't say "new RB2's"....I wasn't labeling Gio....or any of them, you did.....I never called him an RB2....you called him a receiving specialist.....I'm trying to say labels don't really matter....all teams are looking to upgrade the "backup RB's" and what ATL did is nothing new or special.....man I'm starting to see why this has been a struggle for so many.....

BAL put in a claim for Freeman but got beat out by CAR......Edwards and McCaffrey better be on notice.....

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

omg....see now I've started down one of your rabbit holes.....I said the super bowl teams both brought in new guys....I didn't say "new RB2's"....I wasn't labeling Gio....or any of them, you did.....I never called him an RB2....you called him a receiving specialist.....I'm trying to say labels don't really matter....all teams are looking to upgrade the "backup RB's" and what ATL did is nothing new or special.....man I'm starting to see why this has been a struggle for so many.....

BAL put in a claim for Freeman but got beat out by CAR......Edwards and McCaffrey better be on notice.....

This is just silly. 

Of course teams brought in RBs. They do every year. 

This topic is about Mike Davis, and whether or not Gallman is worthy of rostering. 

The "struggle for so many" seems to be coming to terms with the reality that Mike Davis isn't a special running back, and that whomever his backup is should be rostered. 

You seem to be going down your own rabbit hole here. Unless you're implying that Edwards & McCaffery are only as talented as Freeman? That would be silly too, but everyone is entitled to their opinion I guess. I would simply contend that Gallman is a heck of a lot closer to Mike Davis than Freeman is to CMC. 

Edwards TBD, of course, but that doesn't make it a good analogy.  

ETA: Here’s a better analogy: should the CMC owner roster Freeman if he ends up the RB2 in CAR? If the answer to that is “yes” then Davis owners should probably roster Gallman, too, and with substantially more urgency. 

 

[Stinkin Ref]

This is just silly. 

Of course teams brought in RBs. They do every year. 

This topic is about Mike Davis, and whether or not Gallman is worthy of rostering. 

The "struggle for so many" seems to be coming to terms with the reality that Mike Davis isn't a special running back, and that whomever his backup is should be rostered. 

You seem to be going down your own rabbit hole here. Unless you're implying that Edwards & McCaffery are only as talented as Freeman? That would be silly too, but everyone is entitled to their opinion I guess. I would simply contend that Gallman is a heck of a lot closer to Mike Davis than Freeman is to CMC. 

Edwards TBD, of course, but that doesn't make it a good analogy. 

your post called me out on the Gio thing.... and you were wrong about what I said....I know you won't admit it and you will spin it somehow....leaving now so I don't get suspended and out for a week before I finalize my subscriber contest roster....

for the record and good of the thread....I'm not sure where Gallman would rank on the "best handcuff's or backup RB's" to own list...or the "most likely to take over for the current RB1 cause he sucks list"....but right now FBG has about 40 "non starters" ranked above him in PPR.....so when filling out your bench roster I'm not sure he would one of the first priorities or guys that would make your cut, so to speak....unless you own Davis of course....and depending on how deep you rosters are and league set up/scoring etc...if you think Davis sucks and Gallman isn't really that much better than maybe those are just fantasy points you don't chase at all.....and if Davis gets hurt or just truly does suck and somebody beats you to Gallman on the WW so be it....not really missing out on anything anyway....

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

your post called me out on the Gio thing.... and you were wrong about what I said....I know you won't admit it and you will spin it somehow....leaving now so I don't get suspended and out for a week before I finalize my subscriber contest roster....

for the record and good of the thread....I'm not sure where Gallman would rank on the "best handcuff's or backup RB's" to own list...or the "most likely to take over for the current RB1 cause he sucks list"....but right now FBG has about 40 "non starters" ranked above him in PPR.....so when filling out your bench roster I'm not sure he would one of the first priorities or guys that would make your cut, so to speak....unless you own Davis of course....and depending on how deep you rosters are and league set up/scoring etc...if you think Davis sucks and Gallman isn't really that much better than maybe those are just fantasy points you don't chase at all.....and if Davis gets hurt or just truly does suck and somebody beats you to Gallman on the WW so be it....not really missing out on anything anyway....

1. if you rostered Mike Davis as a 5th round pick, would you handcuff him? 

2. If Mike Davis tore his ACL week 1, would you try to claim Gallman? 

If the answer to either of those is yes, and you have the roster spot, then might as well add Gallman now. This is, was, and shall be the gist of my point in here.

That’s my only point. I’ll revisit this topic mid-season to see how everyone’s doing. Cheers. 

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Both of you please drop it and keep it 100% focused on Mike Davis. Thanks. 

I agree. Both sides have had their say, let's open it up to others. It's a good subject, let's keep it that way.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I think a much better way to frame this:

Before the Gallman move, where did you have Mike Davis ranked among RBs?

Today, where do you have Mike Davis ranked among RBs?

 

[scottybo]

I think a much better way to frame this:

Before the Gallman move, where did you have Mike Davis ranked among RBs?

Today, where do you have Mike Davis ranked among RBs?

27 (Gaskin, Javonte, Mostert tier)

42 (Lindsay,  David Johnson, Tony Pollard tier)

 

[Stinkin Ref]

Just like you were wrong about Gio in trying to make that analogy.

but Ok, let’s keep it super simple then.

1. if you rostered Mike Davis as a 5th round pick, would you handcuff him? 

2. If Mike Davis tore his ACL week 1, would you try to claim Gallman? 

If the answer to either of those is yes, and you have the roster spot, then might as well add Gallman now. This is, was, and shall be the gist of my point in here.

That’s my only point. I’ll revisit this topic mid-season to see how everyone’s doing. Cheers. 

I didn't make a GIO analogy....I said the super bowl teams brought in new guys.....just like a lot of teams....I wasn't comparing Gio situation directly to the Gallman situation or making an analogy between the two....simply saying there was a ton of turnover at the RB spot this year and the situation in ATL was no different and not something special...just threw those two teams out as an example..... .

I kind of already covered the answer to both of your questions in my last post.....both of them really depend on too many league factors to give a blanket answer....especially when it comes to handcuffs...and I can't make a blanket statement that every 5th round pick is worthy of a handcuff....maybe, maybe not....depends on a lot of things like is that your first RB drafted....or your third...?...if it's your first RB drafted, maybe the handcuff becomes more important so you lock up that RB spot "no matter what".....if Davis is your RB3 in the 5th round....you may not feel the need to handcuff him because you already have two others and you might be handcuffing one or both of them and Davis was a luxury pick for you anyway or something because your league allows you to start three RB's or something...

for the record I did draft Davis a lot and never handcuffed him....(turned out to be a good call huh) ...I'm sure most times it was around the 5th/6th round.....

the answer to #2 also depends on a ton of things....I think most of us would try to claim Gallman.....often for me, many times it would be more of a "keep away from other owners" move then actually thinking I would be making him a plug and play all of a sudden....I would hope my roster wouldn't NEED him that bad.....but if you are hurt by injuries or something.....sure...every roster spot has value though.....something casual FF players don't really care about....so it would really depend on my roster size, and my team makeup....it would depend on what acquiring Gallman would cost me to lose off my roster...

 

[Joe Bryant]

I didn't make a GIO analogy....I said the super bowl teams brought in new guys.....just like a lot of teams....I wasn't comparing Gio situation directly to the Gallman situation or making an analogy between the two....simply saying there was a ton of turnover at the RB spot this year and the situation in ATL was no different and not something special...just through those two team out an example..... .

I kind of already covered the answer to both of your questions in my last post.....both of them really depend on too many league factors to give a blanket answer....especially when it comes to handcuffs...and I can't make a blanket statement that every 5th round pick is worthy of a handcuff....maybe, maybe not....depends on a lot of things like is that your first RB drafted....or your third...?...if it's your first RB drafted, maybe the handcuff becomes more important so you lock up that RB spot "no matter what".....if Davis is your RB3 in the 5th round....you may not feel the need to handcuff him because you already have two others and you might be handcuffing one or both of them and Davis was a luxuary pick for you anyway or something because your league allows you to start three RB's or something...

for the record I did draft Davis a lot and never handcuffed him....(turned out to be a good call huh) ...I'm sure most times it was around the 5th/6th round.....

the answer to #2 also depends on a ton of things....I think most of us would try to claim Gallman.....often for me, many times it would be more of a keep away move then actually thinking I would be making him a plug and play all of a sudden....I would hope my roster wouldn't NEED him that bad.....but if you are hurt by injuries or something.....sure...every roster spot has value though.....something casual FF players don't really care about....so it would really depend on my roster size, and my team makeup....it would depend on what acquiring Gallman would cost me to lose off my roster...

Before the Gallman move, where did you have Mike Davis ranked among RBs?

Today, where do you have Mike Davis ranked among RBs?

 

[Stinkin Ref]

Before the Gallman move, where did you have Mike Davis ranked among RBs?

Today, where do you have Mike Davis ranked among RBs?

PPR....before....somewhere right around Carson, CEH, so around 15.....he is a little higher for me because I'm not a fan of say Swift and a couple others in that area.....and I think Davis is going to see a huge amount of touches rushing and receiving...

Today....zero change....the Gallman signing doesn't move the needle for me at all....if anything the guy they cut... Ollison was maybe more of a threat/mystery.....I think his release means ATL is very confident in what they have....Gallman signing was kind of a "nothing to see here" move for me....it could have been just about anybody....Davis probably has an easier time "holding off" Gallman than he might have Ollison or somebody else...so in some ways, it might be a bump for Davis IMO....

 

[montana_grizzly_bears]

Here is the clearer thing to me. Atlanta could have had either Gallman or Davis back in March right. They signed Davis to a 2-yr deal, Gallman doesn't sign until a month later with SF on a 1 year deal. If Atlanta really wanted Gallman why didn't they go after him back then? They obviously felt Davis was the better fit. 

 

[Joe Bryant]

PPR....before....somewhere right around Carson, CEH, so around 15.....he is a little higher for me because I'm not a fan of say Swift and a couple others in that area.....and I think Davis is going to see a huge amount of touches rushing and receiving...

Today....zero change....the Gallman signing doesn't move the needle for me at all....if anything the guy they cut... Ollison was maybe more of a threat/mystery.....I think his release means ATL is very confident in what they have....Gallman signing was kind of a "nothing to see here" move for me....it could have been just about anybody....Davis probably has an easier time "holding off" Gallman than he might have Ollison or somebody else...so in some ways, it might be a bump for Davis IMO....

That's more where I am.

I posted this yesterday. https://twitter.com/Football_Guys/status/1433599510543020036?s=20

I’m not any more worried about Wayne Gallman than I was Qadree Ollison. I think Mike Davis is still undervalued.

Clearly lots of people don't agree with me. But that's what makes this game fun. 

 

[SoBeDad]

Here is the clearer thing to me. Atlanta could have had either Gallman or Davis back in March right. They signed Davis to a 2-yr deal, Gallman doesn't sign until a month later with SF on a 1 year deal. If Atlanta really wanted Gallman why didn't they go after him back then? They obviously felt Davis was the better fit. 

Davis > Gallman > Ollison. 

Replacing Ollison with Gallman move Davis down a few slots. How many is the question.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Clearly lots of people don't agree with me. But that's what makes this game fun. 

Respectfully, I don’t agree with you about Davis being undervalued, simply because of who’s available around him in the 5th. That’s a pretty high value, considering I’ve seen Hockensen, Andrews & a bevy of very talented WRs go there along with Harris. 

That said, my evaluation of Davis also includes the nature of the Falcons. Their defense looks to be worse this year than last, which is why I’ve bumped up their pass catchers a bit. I fear negative game scripts, and in that light Gallman could actually have an edge because he’s a pretty good receiver (and to be fair, Davis was a better receiver than expected last year). 

IMO the Gallman signing doesn’t effect Davis value much if at all. People who were drafting him in the 5th will continue to do so.

However, I do think Gallman is a must-have handcuff to Davis owners, who wouldn’t miss a beat if he were to get hurt. Barring injury, Gallman will get some touches but someone behind Davis was going to do that anyway.

 As a handcuff, Gallman is more attractive than Ollison based on experience & what he showed last year. 

I wish the Davis owners good luck. My only intent in here was to be helpful.

 

[TripItUp]

To me Mike Davis is draft strategy dependent.  I like him if I go zero RB or modified zero RB.   Not touching him if I go RB in 2 of the first 3 rounds in most formats.

 

[habsfan]

To me Mike Davis is draft strategy dependent.  I like him if I go zero RB or modified zero RB.   Not touching him if I go RB in 2 of the first 3 rounds in most formats.

I was the opposite of you this year. The number of RBs I usually need =  N + 1 where N is the number I have. Davis is my N + 1 (available to me at 6.07).

 

[IHEARTFF]

I don’t think this moves Davis much if at all. I had Davis around rb27 or so and he’s still there. Gallman can move up to viable bench stash. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

To me Mike Davis is draft strategy dependent.  I like him if I go zero RB or modified zero RB.   Not touching him if I go RB in 2 of the first 3 rounds in most formats.

I don’t disagree with this, though if Gaskin or Harris are on the board it would be hard for me to take MD.

That said, sometimes that strategy goes south & Davis is the best on the board.

But in that light, it strikes me that if you’re not high on Davis, part of adhering to that strategy is skipping him & taking whatever other value at WR/QB/TE is on the board & aiming for other RB later, since a big part of that strategy is avoiding the “dead zone” RBs. 

 

[SoBeDad]

I don’t think this moves Davis much if at all. I had Davis around rb27 or so and he’s still there. Gallman can move up to viable bench stash. 

Davis wore down in the 2nd half of 2020. I think he will be spelled by Gallman and⁷ Patterson on about 30% of the plays. That may have been the plan with Ollison before they saw him up close.

In Gallman's 2 biggest use seasons he's 70-71 pff grade, while Davis is ~75.  Both RBs showed something last year.  BTW, in non-ppr I chose Hunt over Davis because they were ranked close in the rankings on this site, and I saw more upside in Hunt. But after the draft, the Regret thread caused me to think Davis was too low and I bumped this thread. 

 

[Desert_Power]

I don’t think this moves Davis much if at all. I had Davis around rb27 or so and he’s still there. Gallman can move up to viable bench stash. 

I agree. Really don't think of an instance where I would end up with a share of this backfield though. I think people are underrating the chance Atlanta's season goes very poorly. This is an offense on my "Eliminate the Suck" list this year

Davis and Gallman are fine backs and can produce, but I don't think the latter is really going to take over the main role. Or a 1B role without injury. He just runs too tall between the tackles for me to think he will ever lead a backfield share.

 

[TripItUp]

I agree. Really don't think of an instance where I would end up with a share of this backfield though. I think people are underrating the chance Atlanta's season goes very poorly. This is an offense on my "Eliminate the Suck" list this year

Davis and Gallman are fine backs and can produce, but I don't think the latter is really going to take over the main role. Or a 1B role without injury. He just runs too tall between the tackles for me to think he will ever lead a backfield share.

Some of the sharp sports bettors I listen to think the Falcons offense could surprise this year...just a heads up.

 

[Down Under]

I accidently drafted Mike Davis as RB4 (my only pick where my 1 min timer ran out....could have been a worse auto-pick I suppose).  I picked up Gallman the second I heard he was traded.  I had hoped Davis would be the man though as I would like to trade one of my top 3 RBs for a WR upgrade.  As an RBBC, RB4 is fine.  As a trade asset, not so much.  Oh well.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Respectfully, I don’t agree with you about Davis being undervalued, simply because of who’s available around him in the 5th. That’s a pretty high value, considering I’ve seen Hockensen, Andrews & a bevy of very talented WRs go there along with Harris. 

That said, my evaluation of Davis also includes the nature of the Falcons. Their defense looks to be worse this year than last, which is why I’ve bumped up their pass catchers a bit. I fear negative game scripts, and in that light Gallman could actually have an edge because he’s a pretty good receiver (and to be fair, Davis was a better receiver than expected last year). 

IMO the Gallman signing doesn’t effect Davis value much if at all. People who were drafting him in the 5th will continue to do so.

However, I do think Gallman is a must-have handcuff to Davis owners, who wouldn’t miss a beat if he were to get hurt. Barring injury, Gallman will get some touches but someone behind Davis was going to do that anyway.

 As a handcuff, Gallman is more attractive than Ollison based on experience & what he showed last year. 

I wish the Davis owners good luck. My only intent in here was to be helpful.

Thanks.

Before the Gallman move, where did you have Mike Davis ranked among RBs?

Today, where do you have Mike Davis ranked among RBs?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I think a much better way to frame this:

Before the Gallman move, where did you have Mike Davis ranked among RBs?

Today, where do you have Mike Davis ranked among RBs?

Personally I don’t have Mike Davis on any of my teams, but I don’t see why “upgrading” the No.2 RB slot would say anything about how the team feels about Davis - it only tells me how they felt about Ollison.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Personally I don’t have Mike Davis on any of my teams, but I don’t see why “upgrading” the No.2 RB slot would say anything about how the team feels about Davis - it only tells me how they felt about Ollison.

Agreed.

Before the Gallman move, where did you have Mike Davis ranked among RBs?

Today, where do you have Mike Davis ranked among RBs?

I'm assuming from your post those rankings are about the same?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Agreed.

Before the Gallman move, where did you have Mike Davis ranked among RBs?

Today, where do you have Mike Davis ranked among RBs?

I'm assuming from your post those rankings are about the same?

I’m only in one redraft league and we’ve already drafted - but yes the Gallman signing would not have affected where I had Mike Davis ranked at all.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

This is the time of year where teams see who other teams released and try to upgrade their depth when possible.

I’m not seeing why this is an issue, really. We’ve all been following the league long enough to know how this works.

 

[Young 8]

Mike Davis: career backup who had the chance to carry the load last year because McCaffrey got hurt.

Wayne Gallman: career backup who had the chance to carry the load last year becasue Barkley got hurt.

Davis will definitely be the starter at the beginning of the season but this idea that his job is 100% safe is......kind of puzzling.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I’m only in one redraft league and we’ve already drafted - but yes the Gallman signing would not have affected where I had Mike Davis ranked at all.

Where did you have Mike Davis ranked?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Thanks.

Before the Gallman move, where did you have Mike Davis ranked among RBs?

Today, where do you have Mike Davis ranked among RBs?

As I said, I don’t see a change in the before/after, just a higher caliber/priority handcuff.  I’m not sure why this is in question. 

To answer specifically, I had Mike Davis at the very end of a tier of RB that included Harris, Gaskin,  Hunt, Chase, Javonte Williams, and recently Gus.

As long as he has the starting job, he has opportunity and belongs in that group, where i had him last due to his not great career & “replaceability” (which really should be an official metric, btw) and less than desirable situation (potential for negative game scripts). 

After the Gallman addition that’s unchanged. He hasn’t lost the role, he just got a different handcuff, though Gallman could certainly eat into more carries than Ollison if Gallman produces as he did last year. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I’m not seeing why this is an issue, really. We’ve all been following the league long enough to know how this works.

Same. The caliber of handcuff has improved. That is worth noting for the Davis owner.

the big change, IMO, is that non-Davis owners should probably also take note, especially those who go zero-RB &/or collect “next in line” types.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Davis will definitely be the starter at the beginning of the season but this idea that his job is 100% safe is......kind of puzzling.

looking around, quite a few FF writers agree.

irony: last week folks were tripping over thenselves to draft Chubba Hubbard, because “look what Mike Davis did last year in CAR!” 

Gallman is now ATL’s Mike Davis & folks are Princess Bride about the prospect of Davis losing the gig at some point: Inconceivable! 

Man, I said I was done in here & then Joe quoted me. Just when you think you’re out, they pull you back in! 

 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Some of the sharp sports bettors I listen to think the Falcons offense could surprise this year...just a heads up.

Both things can be true. The Falcons offense could be decent & their RBs could be below average. 

If the defense is as bad as it’s looked this preseason (and they’ve looked pretty terrible) Matty Ice could be throwing a lot, even if the new coaching staff wants it to be otherwise.

 

[Joe Bryant]

As I said, I don’t see a change in the before/after, just a higher caliber/priority handcuff.  I’m not sure why this is in question. 

To answer specifically, I had Mike Davis at the very end of a tier of RB that included Harris, Gaskin,  Hunt, Chase, Javonte Williams, and recently Gus.

As long as he has the starting job, he has opportunity and belongs in that group, where i had him last due to his not great career & “replaceability” (which really should be an official metric, btw) and less than desirable situation (potential for negative game scripts). 

After the Gallman addition that’s unchanged. He hasn’t lost the role, he just got a different handcuff, though Gallman could certainly eat into more carries than Ollison if Gallman produces as he did last year. 

Sorry if I wasn't clear.

Before the Gallman move, what number RB was Mike Davis ranked among RBs for you? Not in a tier. What number?

Today, what number RB is Mike Davis ranked among RBs for you? Not in a tier. What number?

 

[Gatorman]

Respectfully, I don’t agree with you about Davis being undervalued, simply because of who’s available around him in the 5th. That’s a pretty high value, considering I’ve seen Hockensen, Andrews & a bevy of very talented WRs go there along with Harris. 

That said, my evaluation of Davis also includes the nature of the Falcons. Their defense looks to be worse this year than last, which is why I’ve bumped up their pass catchers a bit. I fear negative game scripts, and in that light Gallman could actually have an edge because he’s a pretty good receiver (and to be fair, Davis was a better receiver than expected last year). 

IMO the Gallman signing doesn’t effect Davis value much if at all. People who were drafting him in the 5th will continue to do so.

However, I do think Gallman is a must-have handcuff to Davis owners, who wouldn’t miss a beat if he were to get hurt. Barring injury, Gallman will get some touches but someone behind Davis was going to do that anyway.

 As a handcuff, Gallman is more attractive than Ollison based on experience & what he showed last year. 

I wish the Davis owners good luck. My only intent in here was to be helpful.

HSG - not sure on the take here for a few reasons (again, not a Davis truther, but a lot f smart FF people even outside of FBG are touting him);  The coaching staff here is all new.  It is one thing to feel this way about, say Miami where they stuck with Gaskin but changed the OC.  Here they changed the Head Coach to an offensive minded guy and he went out and got a guy who looked good in a volume role last year.

Volume is king here.  So the question becomes; Does Gallman coming to the Falcons depress Davis' volume?  That's the same question we get from Sony Michel going to the Rams, Rashaard Penny being Healthy for the Seahawks etc etc.

If you thought Ollison was going to take 100 carries away from Davis, Will Gallman take more, less, or the same?  To me, I cannot see with injury him taking MORE carries away (or more receiving opportunities bc he ain't that kind of back), so my ranking of Davis continues to be the same.  He's the only "volume" guy in the RB dead zone (other than Harris, and New England running back lotto is worse than this).  Maybe of you can double up Mosert and Sermon or Javonte and Melvin Gordon will you have a better shot and determining a backfield, but for a "one slot" pick I'd go with Davis.