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RB Peyton Barber, LV - 9.4.21 Signs with Las Vegas (1 Viewer)

Dude he's a drop!
In TB's 2 wins, Barber had 19 and 16 carries.  In TB's  2 losses, Barber had 8 and 7 carries.  Perhaps TB returns with Winston in week 6 and attempts to establish some sort of run game.  I'm willing to give it a week or two to find out.  With the volume he has seen (50 carries/6 targets), the only RB's on waivers that even come close are Blount (35 carries/3 targets), and Gore (35 carries/4 targets).  If I do drop him, I would probably just pick up a handcuff like Spencer Ware, and "hope" for injury. 

 
zoonation said:
Junk. He won’t be on a starting roster of any championship teams. 

That is all. 
You play in leagues without benches?  I have no illusions that he will become a 5.0 ypc or double digit TD stud, but any RB5 who may see 15-20 touches is worth a roster spot.  We can revisit this thread after week 7 to see if RoJo has taken over the main duties, or if Barber holds him off and starts to trend back towards 15-20 touch weeks.

That is all.

 
You play in leagues without benches?  I have no illusions that he will become a 5.0 ypc or double digit TD stud, but any RB5 who may see 15-20 touches is worth a roster spot.  We can revisit this thread after week 7 to see if RoJo has taken over the main duties, or if Barber holds him off and starts to trend back towards 15-20 touch weeks.

That is all.
I'd rather own jones, which I do and barber was dropped

 
I was a barber truther as I am a Buccaneers fan. Unfortunately however there was a huge investment and Ronald Jones and they do feel that he bring something to the team as a dynamic Runner with speed that they did not have before. I think he was inactive for the first few weeks of the season because he is not a special teamer and perhaps they felt he was not Adept at pass walking yet meaning they would have to continue to keep Jacquizz Rodgers for those situations. I think now for games and plus bye week and Winston returning to quarterback who checks down more to his running back, the Jones is the back you want in this backfield. I don't think either in the end for provide better than low end RB2 or flex numbers but I think at least with Jones there is upside given his speed and his ability to take a run to the house at any time. Barber at best will be someone who will be very touchdown dependent to get you any fantasy points on a weekly basis.

 
zoonation said:
Junk. He won’t be on a starting roster of any championship teams. 

That is all. 
I’m the points leader in both of my leagues. 

Barber is my RB6 behind Gordon/Collins’s/AP/Chubb in one, and my RB4 behind Gurley/RFreeman/Ingram in the other.

im certainly hoping they’ll both be playoff / championship teams.   :shrug:

But you are correct - he won’t be a starter on either. lol

 
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Dr. Dan said:
Ultimately swapped his spot for Coutee. 

Barber is never going to start for me unless I have a major injury, which could happen but there are plenty of backs in fa for me to grab. short bench league, so full disclosure. 

I'm done waiting. I get it and I agree, he can turn it around, but my needs outweighed waiting for him to come around. 

Even with Jones in the mix Barber has some potential value. I liked him before Jones sucked
I’d still like to see a balanced offense from The Bucs.

barber got 19 carries in a game the defense stacked the box & dared Fitzmagic to beat them. (He did)

And he’s seen his team in shootouts.

maybe with Winston back & the threat of a running QB the Bucks can keep defenses honest. 

Game script will still be a challenge to overcome. I don’t see Ronald Jones threatening anything yet. 

 
Well, Peyton managed to fool 6216 subscriber contest owners.  I ain't dropping him after 4 weeks vs very tough D's.  What's a few more weeks having him on my bench?  Unless studs get injured, the waiver wire will have pretty much the same players in week 7 that it has now.

 
Well, Peyton managed to fool 6216 subscriber contest owners.  I ain't dropping him after 4 weeks vs very tough D's.  What's a few more weeks having him on my bench?  Unless studs get injured, the waiver wire will have pretty much the same players in week 7 that it has now.
Yeah, disagree.

Holding a Barber (who probably now has the rookie to deal with) means you lose out on taking shots at others. For example, T. Boyd. 

It's hard to let go of somebody that may have been a 7th or 8th round draft pick, but the sooner you cut bait the sooner you can take shots at others.

I'd rather have Nick Chubb for example and his league winning upside in the case Hyde gets hurt or he overtakes him vs. holding onto a Barber who plays for a team that a) isn't good at running the ball, and b) isn't very interested in running the ball.

 
I dropped him.  With Jones probably getting more involved after the bye and the Tampa offense being more pass oriented (mostly because they get behind in games), there's just not a ton of upside.

 
Yeah, disagree.

Holding a Barber (who probably now has the rookie to deal with) means you lose out on taking shots at others. For example, T. Boyd. 

It's hard to let go of somebody that may have been a 7th or 8th round draft pick, but the sooner you cut bait the sooner you can take shots at others.

I'd rather have Nick Chubb for example and his league winning upside in the case Hyde gets hurt or he overtakes him vs. holding onto a Barber who plays for a team that a) isn't good at running the ball, and b) isn't very interested in running the ball.
Here's the thing - if I cut Barber, I would want to pick up another RB.  And the current waiver RB's will all likely still be there in 2 or 3 weeks.  Full disclosure - I am tops in waiver priority, so if any stud RB goes down, I would quickly snag the cuff, if he isn't already taken.  All current performing backup RB's are taken.  As I said, the current waiver RB's will remain for a few weeks, barring injury, in which case I will swoop in.

 
Does anyone know if barber was being successful during the preseason with Winston in or Fitz?  Going back and looking at preseason box scores, barber looks good on paper, so just wondering if it was the scheme being played why Winston was in.  If so, I think barber could be the play over Jones coming out of the Bye.  This all hinges on who was QB for majority of the preseason snaps.

 
Does anyone know if barber was being successful during the preseason with Winston in or Fitz?  Going back and looking at preseason box scores, barber looks good on paper, so just wondering if it was the scheme being played why Winston was in.  If so, I think barber could be the play over Jones coming out of the Bye.  This all hinges on who was QB for majority of the preseason snaps.
Barber was much better with Winston IIRC. Winston’s threat of using his legs opened things up a little. 

And during the early season it seemed like defenses were daring Fitzmagic to beat them..which he did, of course. 

I’m holding - Ronald Jones sucks, and Barber should get at least equal chance to keep his job from here.  

 
Barber was much better with Winston IIRC. Winston’s threat of using his legs opened things up a little. 

And during the early season it seemed like defenses were daring Fitzmagic to beat them..which he did, of course. 

I’m holding - Ronald Jones sucks, and Barber should get at least equal chance to keep his job from here.  
Call it bold or dumb - I'm starting Barber this week against Atlanta - James Conner just made absolute fools of this defense and he did it by blocking in pass protection, catching the ball and breaking tackles - not sure that fit RoJo' mold, seems like Barber's strengths.

 
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I dropped Barber and picked up RoJo who was dropped. There is no upside with Barber on a weekly basis as his production was abysmal at its optimal point of a rookie not picking up a playbook. I would rather have someone with upside stashed on my bench than someone who just was unable to do anything with an opportunity.

 
There is no upside with Barber on a weekly basis as his production was abysmal at its optimal point of a rookie not picking up a playbook. I would rather have someone with upside stashed on my bench than someone who just was unable to do anything with an opportunity.
I think there is upside for Barber, but I would say limited at best. He seems to have opened the door for Jones to shake off his pre-season disaster and demonstrate why the team was so high on him at the draft table. As has been mentioned up thread, I think Barber is just who he is - a hardworking guy with limited explosiveness who can be effective as a situational back, but not feature back material.

 
Anyone care to venture a guess on the touches for TB RB's this week?  I am having a hard time trying to figure out how Barber and Jones will split time.  As for facing the Falcons, their D is actually just about as bad against the run as it is the pass.  TB may be able to win on the ground or through the air, and with Winston coming back, I can only guess TB will be alot more balanced this week.

 
I was quite high on Barber as an RB2/3 coming into the year. I figured he'd probably hit 1000 yds and 8 TDs. That's changed now for a couple reaosns:

1) The run game playcalling/design has been poor.

2) The OL has been one of the worst run blocking units in the NFL.

3) They've called few run plays and have rotated too many mediocre players in (Rodgers, Rojo).

Just watching game film (and based on practice reports) the best combination is Barber and Shaun Wilson. But much like last year when they kept using Doug Martin even has he was grossly outperformed by Barber, Koetter seems to want a bizarre time share.

I'm not seeing anything from beat reporters yet, but I'd guess it's a 3 way split with Barber/RoJo/Rodgers 50/40/10%. Very rough guess. RoJo has been terrible in EVERY facet of the game and shouldn't be getting reps but it looks like he will based on draft status. 

 
Barber seemed like JAG, but the Bucs had a bottom 3 run blocking OL last year, and he still managed to throw together a few decent games. Arians loves him:

“And I can honestly say Peyton Barber," Arians said. "I mean, I’ve watched this guy now and I’m like, ‘Whoof!’ He’s so subtle in some of the things he does for a big man.” 

“I love him," Arians said. "For a man that size, you know, when you watched the tape, you don’t see him as 230 (pounds). You think he’s a 205-pound running back because he’s got great feet."

"Not every back’s going to be a home-run hitter. He gets those 10-, 15-yard runs breaking tackles, power runner -- punishing runner. When we’re building something, that’s the kind I want to build around.”
I couldnt give this guy away all offseason. This is just coach speak but at the time he said it Barber was set to be a RFA. They didn't have to resign him. Hes a decent buy low IMO until the draft and once we see what this offense looks like.

 
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That's interesting. I rejected an offer this morning of Barber for my Gesicki, who may not even survive my cuts. I have been considering Tampa as the top RB destination for the draft coming up. But I am a little thin at RB in this league and have 3 TEs I would start before Gesicki. I may reconsider.

 
barackdhouse said:
That's interesting. I rejected an offer this morning of Barber for my Gesicki, who may not even survive my cuts. I have been considering Tampa as the top RB destination for the draft coming up. But I am a little thin at RB in this league and have 3 TEs I would start before Gesicki. I may reconsider.
I invested heavily in Gesicki and still believe in him. I am holding all my league shares and will pick him up on the cheap if available in others. I certainly wouldn't give him up for a mediocre RB like Barber, who IMO can be easily displaced.

 
The Athletic's Greg Auman said Peyton Barber is "certainly likely" to finish with more yards than Ronald Jones.

Multiple reports have surfaced this offseason that Jones was progressing in his second season after being a second-round pick. But Auman appears to be less optimistic. Jones averaged 1.9 yards on just 23 carries as a rookie and has never had pass-catching production dating back to his years at USC. Training camp and preseason work will determine who ultimately starts, but it's hard to be bullish on either back right now.

RELATED: 

Ronald Jones

SOURCE: Greg Auman on Twitter

Jun 30, 2019, 2:24 PM ET
 
The Bucs are without Jacquizz Rodgers, their best pass-catching back from last year.  They also cut Shaun Wilson.  They have added Andre Ellington, a 30-yr old pass catching back, who was out of the league last year.  Also on the depth chart is special teamer Dare Ogunbowale, who does not have an NFL carry in his 2 yr career.  They also added undrafted free agent Bruce Anderson.  Ellington, Ogunbowale, and Anderson are likely battling for 2 roster spots, with Barber and Jones atop the depth chart.

As unsexy as Barber is, he still managed to finish RB31 with his volume (234 carries - 9th most).  I will be monitoring this situation, as every starting NFL RB deserves a look.  Peyton held off Rojo last year, so why can't he do it again? 

 
Jeff Ratcliffe‏Verified account @JeffRatcliffe 6h6 hours ago

Peyton Barber has over 250 touches and finished outside the top 30 RBs in PPR scoring last season. That’s hard to do on that kind of volume.

 
James White - 276 points - 181 Touches
Tarik Cohen - 238 points - 178 Touches
Kenyon Drake - 207 points - 173 Touches
Derrick Henry - 202 Points - 230 Touches
Nick Chubb - 194 points - 212 Touches
Tevin Coleman - 193 points - 199 Touches
Marlon Mack - 180 Points - 212 Touches
TJ Yeldon - 174 Points - 159 Touches
Lamar Miller - 173 points - 235 Touches
Aaron Jones - 172 Points - 159 Touches
Austin Eckler - 170 Points - 145 Touches
Matt Breida - 163 Points - 180 Touches
Dion Lewis - 162 points - 214 Touches
Nyheim Hines - 161 Points - 148 Touches
Jalin Richard - 159 Points - 123 Touches
Dalvin Cook - 154 Points - 173 Touches
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Peyton Barber - 151 points - 254 Touches

 
Jeff Ratcliffe‏Verified account @JeffRatcliffe 6h6 hours ago

Peyton Barber has over 250 touches and finished outside the top 30 RBs in PPR scoring last season. That’s hard to do on that kind of volume.
And now he has a real coach.

i would expect his efficiency to improve quite a bit.

 
And now he has a real coach.

i would expect his efficiency to improve quite a bit.
This.

Unless Ronald Jones shows a lot in the pre-season--and I worry he won't--Barber gets another busy season.  For a guy that's going so late in drafts, he's a really cheap 250 touches.  If he improves at all, he'll give you solid return on investment.

 
James White - 276 points - 181 Touches
Tarik Cohen - 238 points - 178 Touches
Kenyon Drake - 207 points - 173 Touches
Derrick Henry - 202 Points - 230 Touches
Nick Chubb - 194 points - 212 Touches
Tevin Coleman - 193 points - 199 Touches
Marlon Mack - 180 Points - 212 Touches
TJ Yeldon - 174 Points - 159 Touches
Lamar Miller - 173 points - 235 Touches
Aaron Jones - 172 Points - 159 Touches
Austin Eckler - 170 Points - 145 Touches
Matt Breida - 163 Points - 180 Touches
Dion Lewis - 162 points - 214 Touches
Nyheim Hines - 161 Points - 148 Touches
Jalin Richard - 159 Points - 123 Touches
Dalvin Cook - 154 Points - 173 Touches
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Peyton Barber - 151 points - 254 Touches
Now do Ronald Jones

 
This.

Unless Ronald Jones shows a lot in the pre-season--and I worry he won't--Barber gets another busy season.  For a guy that's going so late in drafts, he's a really cheap 250 touches.  If he improves at all, he'll give you solid return on investment.
Even if he doesn't, you still get a steal.  He finished RB26 in non-PPR, and RB31 in PPR.  The pesky vet held off the rookie for a few reasons.  First, Rojo simply sucked.  But what may be more important, TB wanted to keep their QB upright.  Every game seemed like a shootout, and only OAK gave up more pts.  TB led the league in passing yardage, but were middle of the pack in sacks.  You have to give alot of credit to Barber for that.  IF he keeps the starting gig, you saw his floor last year.  Don't be embarassed to say Peyton Barber is your RB4 - be happy.

 
From weeks 6 thru 16 last year, Barber put up RB1 stats 4 times, and RB2 stats twice.  Not bad for a guy you can get quite late.  He was starter-worthy over 50% of the time during the last 11 games.  Now, I am not saying he should be your RB1, RB2, or maybe even RB3, but I challenge you to find a guy at his ADP with a better shot at 250 touches.

 
From weeks 6 thru 16 last year, Barber put up RB1 stats 4 times, and RB2 stats twice.  Not bad for a guy you can get quite late.  He was starter-worthy over 50% of the time during the last 11 games.  Now, I am not saying he should be your RB1, RB2, or maybe even RB3, but I challenge you to find a guy at his ADP with a better shot at 250 touches.
Guys who performed like Barber did off 250 touches usually don't get the opportunity for another 250 touches the next season.

We know what Barber is, a below average RB.  We don't have enough of a sample to know what RJII is.  I'd gamble on RJII all day over Barber.  

 
Guys who performed like Barber did off 250 touches usually don't get the opportunity for another 250 touches the next season.
Let me point you to these stats...

319 rushes - 3.2 YPC, 183 rushes - 3.5 YPC, 316 rushes - 3.8 YPC, 299 rushes - 3.6 YPC, 355 rushes - 3.8 YPC, 187 rushes - 3.6 YPC, 246 rushes - 3.3 YPC, 250 rushes - 3.8 YPC, and 110 rushes - 3.3 YPC

The above stats belong to HOF'er Jerome Bettis.  Those are 9 of his 13 seasons.  He only topped 4 YPC 4 times.  As a receiver, he averaged 15 catches a yr.

Barber ain't going anywhere, until Rojo proves his worth.  After all, his YPC was twice that of Jones.  Also, if you want more examples of consecutive low YPC's, just let me know.  I found plenty.

 
Let me point you to these stats...

319 rushes - 3.2 YPC, 183 rushes - 3.5 YPC, 316 rushes - 3.8 YPC, 299 rushes - 3.6 YPC, 355 rushes - 3.8 YPC, 187 rushes - 3.6 YPC, 246 rushes - 3.3 YPC, 250 rushes - 3.8 YPC, and 110 rushes - 3.3 YPC

The above stats belong to HOF'er Jerome Bettis.  Those are 9 of his 13 seasons.  He only topped 4 YPC 4 times.  As a receiver, he averaged 15 catches a yr.

Barber ain't going anywhere, until Rojo proves his worth.  After all, his YPC was twice that of Jones.  Also, if you want more examples of consecutive low YPC's, just let me know.  I found plenty.
good post.  Rudi Johnson was another scrub who somehow kept getting touches. 

Bettis making the HOF was a joke, but your point is good.  sometimes a coaching staff falls in love with a scrub and keeps playing them.

 
So I wonder how many of those touches were specifically 3rd or 4th and short, or goalline. Do some lead backs get a higher proportion of those than others? Do lead backs with ####ty O lines who fall in the "gets more short yardage carries than others" category maybe have low YPC stats? I wonder if that is Barber. I'm not saying he isn't a JAG, but maybe if the O line improves and they take a big step forward with the Arians/Winston offense, Barber can live up to the hype.

Oh wait there is no hype. He can be had in the 12th. I would have guessed they would have drafted a back this year and that they will next year. But unless Jones takes a massive quantum leap forward, Barber is probably severely undervalued for 2019. Preseason will obviously tell a lot I'm sure.

 
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Guys who performed like Barber did off 250 touches usually don't get the opportunity for another 250 touches the next season.

We know what Barber is, a below average RB.  We don't have enough of a sample to know what RJII is.  I'd gamble on RJII all day over Barber.  
Ronald Jones is not a good running back.   If you watched him at all in college you knew the Bucs reached on him in the draft.   I was in this forum warning everybody do not equate draft position with talent.   

As a result, Barber was and continues to be one of the best bargain buys in FF.

 
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Guys who performed like Barber did off 250 touches usually don't get the opportunity for another 250 touches the next season.

We know what Barber is, a below average RB.  We don't have enough of a sample to know what RJII is.  I'd gamble on RJII all day over Barber.  
Here's my problem with it.

How bad is Ronald Jones that they continued to put up with Barber's pi$$ poor performance?

And now Ronald Jones is again his main competition. 

 
We know what Barber is, a below average RB.  We don't have enough of a sample to know what RJII is.  I'd gamble on RJII all day over Barber.  
Ronald Jones played so bad it sounds made up.

In his final 3 games - not counting the games he was a healthy scratch - Ronald Jones had two yards.

On 8 touches. 

That's because he had 6 rushes for negative one yards. 

I suppose you can take heart in the fact he had two catches for 3 yards.  But one of them was a 4 yard catch.  

His yards per touch in those 3 games were .33, .5 and -1. 

He was targeted twice in his last game and caught one of them for a loss of a yard. 

How much more of a sample has he earned? 

 
If the status quo remains, Barber will once again be the most owned player in the subscriber contest.  Perhaps his 3.7 YPC needs to be taken with a grain of salt, considering the bad run-blocking by his line, and the game scripts.  We all seem to be giving DJ a mulligan for 2018, as he is a top-10 consensus pick this year.  And guess what?  Barber had a higher YPC than DJ.

 
Ronald Jones played so bad it sounds made up.

In his final 3 games - not counting the games he was a healthy scratch - Ronald Jones had two yards.

On 8 touches. 

That's because he had 6 rushes for negative one yards. 

I suppose you can take heart in the fact he had two catches for 3 yards.  But one of them was a 4 yard catch.  

His yards per touch in those 3 games were .33, .5 and -1. 

He was targeted twice in his last game and caught one of them for a loss of a yard. 

How much more of a sample has he earned? 
you flip a coin a few times the statistical results aren't gonna be reliable.

You flip it 250 times it's gonna be extremely accurate and true to the odds.

RJII might be a scrub.  Barber IS a scrub.  The sample proves it.

 
you flip a coin a few times the statistical results aren't gonna be reliable.

You flip it 250 times it's gonna be extremely accurate and true to the odds.

RJII might be a scrub.  Barber IS a scrub.  The sample proves it.
You lose 6 hands of blackjack in a row, you get up and find another table.  

He ran backwards. 6 runs for minus one yard. Statistics lessons can wait. He needs coaches on the sideline pointing which way he's supposed to run like Forrest Gump.

 
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you flip a coin a few times the statistical results aren't gonna be reliable. - Agree

You flip it 250 times it's gonna be extremely accurate and true to the odds. - Agree

RJII might be a scrub.  Barber IS a scrub.  The sample proves it. - Totally disagree
Your assertion is that Barber is a scrub because his stats say so, and the sample size is enough, right?.  Using your logic, David Johnson is even "scrubbier" than Barber.  He had 24 more carries than Barber, and ended up with a lower YPC, so his sample size was even bigger, and therefore, more accurate.  On the other end of the spectrum, Aaron Jones has 214 career carries.  That seems to be a big enough sample size, right?  If it is, he is the greatest RB who has ever lived, because no RB in history has a higher YPC with at least 200 carries.

Could it be that TB sucks at run blocking, and has gotten progressively worse over the last 3 years?  In 2018, the top 3 TB RB's were Barber (234/3.7), Jacquizz Rodgers (33/3.2), and Jones (23/1.9).  In 2017, the top 3 RB's were Doug Martin (138/2.9), Barber (108/3.9), and Rodgers (64/3.8).  In 2016, the top 3 RB's were Martin (144/2.9), Rodgers (129/4.3), and Barber (55/4.1).

For Peyton Barber, he has played his entire 3-yr career behind a crappy line, and for that, I am cutting the guy some slack.  For all we know, he could be an average NFL RB stuck in a bad situation.  I have watched a handful of his games, and I think this is the case.

 
You lose 6 hands of blackjack in a row, you get up and find another table.  

He ran backwards. 6 runs for minus one yard. Statistics lessons can wait. He needs coaches on the sideline pointing which way he's supposed to run like Forrest Gump.
You always buy-in for at least 10x your average bet so you can withstand a 6 hand run of bad luck  :grad:

 
PewterReport.com's Taylor Jenkins suspects Peyton Barber will have "close to" 45 targets this season.

His estimate is based on the idea Barber receives every-down treatment since Jacquizz Rodgers is no longer around to play off the bench. Assuming he makes it out of camp, that seems like an ideal down for Andre Ellington to take over second-year pro Ronald Jones. Whatever the outcome, the Bucs' backfield is clearly one to monitor closely in camp, as one will come away with major fantasy implications.

SOURCE: PewterReport.com

Jul 17, 2019, 9:41 PM ET
 
you flip a coin a few times the statistical results aren't gonna be reliable.

You flip it 250 times it's gonna be extremely accurate and true to the odds.

RJII might be a scrub.  Barber IS a scrub.  The sample proves it.
While I get the point you are making and I agree with your overall point. The more instances we have of something occurring the more likely it is that same action bearing similar results becomes.

However technically if you flip a coin your chance of it landing on either side is always 50% no matter how many occurrences you have in your sample size. 

If you had heads 2000 times out of 2500 flips your chance of the next 2500 flips being heads is still 50%

Because of this I think we have to be very careful about how we use data to inform our decisions.

Yards per carry is a good statistic for measuring a RB relative ability compared to all of the other RB. It isn't perfect though, and it is something that I think you want to use 3 or more seasons worth of data for trying to predict what this number may be in the future. A smaller sample that this will likely be inaccurate more often than a larger one.

 

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