If he had a DST upgrade for you that would be pretty fair. You may have to throw in a 3rd though.
Actually I was joking before but if you could get his DST and a 2nd from him for your Barber and a 3rd I think that would be robbery for you.
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RB Peyton Barber, LV - 9.4.21 Signs with Las Vegas (1 Viewer)
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Actually I was joking before but if you could get his DST and a 2nd from him for your Barber and a 3rd I think that would be robbery for you.
zamboni
Footballguy
What helps Barber is that Arians likes what he brings to the offense. He may not be flashy or explosive, but he can move the pile, doesn't fumble much, and blocks well. Arians seems to like those guys over the guys who can take it to the house but also wind up gaining negative yardage in many cases. Not unlike the way he used the latter-day Chris Johnson, who was dependable for him until he got hurt (IIRC) and opened the door for David Johnson.
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Birdie048
Footballguy
Thanks, but I am the one trying to move a Def/ST as well... Currently have SEA, BALT, MINN & LAR.... I want to keep 2-3, but nobody values Def in this league... they prefer to play WW weekly match-up which is fine but not my style. Yeah, 12 Team PPR Dynasty
Weebs210
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
He's the kind of depth player that, if you're not risk averse, may allow you to move one of your better backs for an upgrade somewhere else but I don't see getting much value for him on his own.
I'm also guessing that people ask too much in return for a guy like him.
zamboni
Footballguy
I don't have enough of a comparison, but what matters is what Arians thinks. Based on his playing time, it doesn't seem to be an issue for him.
cloppbeast
Footballguy
Joe Summer
Footballguy
All I can tell you with absolute certainty is that he will regularly put up decent numbers while languishing on my bench, until the day I need to start him as a BYE week filler, at which point he will score exactly zero points.
Pipes
Footballguy
Capella
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joey
Footballguy
in my 12 team, Keep 12 league (not super deep, obviously), I tried trading Barber away to the RJ owner for a 3rd for 5th pick swap next year. He declined.
He's basically droppable in leagues like mine, but then he has a good game like last night and someone will pick him up, and clog a roster spot with him like I have.
Charlie Harper
Footballguy
I was super close to dropping him for Mosert...then he scored a TD and then he finished with 23 carries.
I'll take that floor everyday of the week. It may not produce much, but how many 20 carry RBs are there? He did come out every 3rd and long, but oh well. In a RJ hype weel too!
I'll take that floor everyday of the week. It may not produce much, but how many 20 carry RBs are there? He did come out every 3rd and long, but oh well. In a RJ hype weel too!
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Weebs210
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Y’all know Carolina is a terrible run defense right?
IMO nothing changed from game 1 to game 2, and nothing changes from game 2 to game 3 except everyone’s narrative.
Anyone tooting the Barber horn over a 23 carry night also needs to acknowledge how utterly bone-headed he was for trying to juke in the end zone resulting in a totally avoidable safety.
While the TD run was nice, he was also u touched. Every other time he had the ball he looked like he was running in sand, and often ran right into contact.
He’s not elusive, not particularly powerful. He’s a decent pass blocker, but he’s also not quite as good at it as some here have suggested.
we’ve all seen this show before. Barber is who he is. The only thing that happened of note is that the Bucs said they were going to give RoJo more touches & the fantasy community & Bucs fans were excited about it.
if you’d told me before the game Barber would get 23 touches against the Panthers weak run D, I wouldn’t have been at all surprised with the results
the only surprise here was the lack of touches for Ronald Jones, who still looks like the better RB based on what we saw week 1 from a much tougher 49ers front 4.
And while purely anecdotal, based on the dynasty offers I’ve received from RoJo both before & after last night’s game, (which weren’t great) nothing has changed with the value of these players.
My opinion is that in redraft, Barber has better short term value, RoJo more long term.
Dynasty I believe RoJo has more long term value & Barber has very little value.
IMO nothing changed from game 1 to game 2, and nothing changes from game 2 to game 3 except everyone’s narrative.
Anyone tooting the Barber horn over a 23 carry night also needs to acknowledge how utterly bone-headed he was for trying to juke in the end zone resulting in a totally avoidable safety.
While the TD run was nice, he was also u touched. Every other time he had the ball he looked like he was running in sand, and often ran right into contact.
He’s not elusive, not particularly powerful. He’s a decent pass blocker, but he’s also not quite as good at it as some here have suggested.
we’ve all seen this show before. Barber is who he is. The only thing that happened of note is that the Bucs said they were going to give RoJo more touches & the fantasy community & Bucs fans were excited about it.
if you’d told me before the game Barber would get 23 touches against the Panthers weak run D, I wouldn’t have been at all surprised with the results
the only surprise here was the lack of touches for Ronald Jones, who still looks like the better RB based on what we saw week 1 from a much tougher 49ers front 4.
And while purely anecdotal, based on the dynasty offers I’ve received from RoJo both before & after last night’s game, (which weren’t great) nothing has changed with the value of these players.
My opinion is that in redraft, Barber has better short term value, RoJo more long term.
Dynasty I believe RoJo has more long term value & Barber has very little value.
Hot Sauce Guy
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Charlie Harper
Footballguy
You're right. What I was referencing as his floor is that he's the clear lead RB on the team.
Charlie Harper
Footballguy
Also, while Barber isn't flashy did well for what was blocked for him. He fought for a lot of tough yards. On his 23 carries he lost yardage on 3 of them and had 2 carries for no gain. Hell even the safety Luke was unblocked...very few RB will win that battle.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Except he’s not.
last week Jones looked better & the plan was to give him more use.
We’ve all seen this before. Barber gets 20+ carries, has a decent day, everyone says, “finally! A clear cut RB on this dogcrap team!” and then they don’t.
The only new thing from last week to this was a boneheaded decision to try to juke in the end zone instead of diving forward for the 1 yard to save the Safety. That was cartoonishly bad. And the worst part of that play was that he also fumbled. Had he not been ruled down/not been a safety, it would have been a DTD & likely cost them the game.
So yeah, while we’re making observations it’s probably important to remember that happened.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
99% of NFL RBs get tackled there, fair.
1% of them try to make a fancy move and take a safety.
99% dive forward to get 1 yard & avoid that.
Your spin to forgive him of that error tells me you have him on your team, because anyone who doesn’t saw a terrible decision.
Chaka
Footballguy
That is at least the second time you have suggested Barber was "boneheaded" on the safety. What exactly would you suggest he do?
Take on Luke Freaking Keuchly toe-to-toe? That's your idea? Who wins that battle? Barber? Peyton Barber run over Luke Keuchly? Seriously? That's nonsense. Ask Christian Okoye how that works out.
Extend the ball? That's a 50/50 proposition at best.
Keuchly came in virtually untouched and at high speed. Keuchly was coming so fast that the juke almost worked. Going heads up with him would have been insane.
There are very few RBs in the league who could have done better than Barber in that situation.
Chaka
Footballguy
99% avoid the tackle by diving straight into Luke Keuchly unencumbered, going close to full speed?
What?
Chaka
Footballguy
BTW @Hot Sauce Guy you're "Your response means you're a Barber owner" works both ways. You sound very much like a guy pulling for RoJo (Dare???)?
At any rate that take ain't hot sauce.
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At any rate that take ain't hot sauce.
Much love for your products. Repeat buyer who frequently wears the Lucky Dog long sleeve shirt and hat.
Steeler
Footballguy
I dropped him for D. Thompson right before the game. It's a keeper league and Thompson has way more upside potential in the KC offense (even though he's third on the depth chart right now). I figured if I wasn't going to start Barber last night then he was expendable. I would feel better about if if he didn't dominate carries on Thursday, but he still only amassed 83 yards on those 23 carries. Before the game Arians said he was going to ride the hot hand... what if RoJo has the hot hand next week?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That’s what I’m sayin. There’s zero clarity. Barber’s had 20+ carries before. He’s been mediocre before.
CAR is looking like a garbage run defense.
So far we have 1 good game from RoJo & one good game from Barber, with an undeniably terrible decision that resulted in a safety.
Jury’s out for 2019. RoJo still looks like a much better RB.
of course TB hired the least GAF about RBs coach in the NFL, so...
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
He had less than a yard to stretch out.
I watched that play several times. Straight ahead was 2nd down.
He juked into Keuchly.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Not go sideways in the end zone. He got cute.
And to be accurate it’s the 3rd time at least because I said the same thing in real time during the game on the game topic
Watch the play. He could have gotten back to the LOS. He juked sideways & ran into Keuchly. It was a terrible no good very bad decision.
99% wouldn’t have juked sideways. Barber is elite at making terrible decisions.
Charlie Harper
Footballguy
Pretty clear to me.That’s what I’m sayin. There’s zero clarity. Barber’s had 20+ carries before. He’s been mediocre before.
CAR is looking like a garbage run defense.
So far we have 1 good game from RoJo & one good game from Barber, with an undeniably terrible decision that resulted in a safety.
Jury’s out for 2019. RoJo still looks like a much better RB.
of course TB hired the least GAF about RBs coach in the NFL, so...
Depsite RoJo's one good game, Arians proclaimed Barber the starter and gave him 23 carries. (4 drives for Barber to 2 for RoJo).
Chaka
Footballguy
This isn't a complete picture, RoJo had a good game week 1 but he has never approached 20+ touches. That says more than anything.That’s what I’m sayin. There’s zero clarity. Barber’s had 20+ carries before. He’s been mediocre before.
CAR is looking like a garbage run defense.
So far we have 1 good game from RoJo & one good game from Barber, with an undeniably terrible decision that resulted in a safety.
Jury’s out for 2019. RoJo still looks like a much better RB.
of course TB hired the least GAF about RBs coach in the NFL, so...
I have watched the play multiple times as well, I made sure to before responding to you, Barber jukes to his left and Keuchly hits him, a yard deep in the endzone (at least), with his right shoulder. Diving straight means trying to drive Luke Freaking Keuchly a yard plus a little (at least) with zero help.
Can you sincerely say Barber, or any back, is going to manage that neat trick?
The answer you're looking for is "Y'know what Chaka? I went back and looked at the video again and, I was wrong."
To which I will respond "No worries brother. We all need a little perspective. It's all good. Lucky Dog Hot Sauce rules!!! Just like San Dimas high school football."
Chaka
Footballguy
And I agree that we don't have absolute clarity, but last night was a strong indication of where this train is going.
Remember Arians is the guy who refused to give David Freaking Johnson an opportunity until Chris no longer Freaking Johnson got hurt.
RoJo, my friend, is no David Johnson. He isn't even a Chris no longer Freaking Johnson yet.
Remember Arians is the guy who refused to give David Freaking Johnson an opportunity until Chris no longer Freaking Johnson got hurt.
RoJo, my friend, is no David Johnson. He isn't even a Chris no longer Freaking Johnson yet.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Bell, C.J. Anderson, Jamaal Williams, Gio Bernard, Dion Lewis, Drake, Henry, Coleman, Ingram, Shady, Howard, White, Murray, Gore, Duke Johnson, Freeman, CMC, Sproles, Zeke, Chris Thompson -- all are very, very solid in pass pro.
I did drop him for Mostert, and almost want to start Mostert out of spite. Could have used Barber's #s last night, but agree with sentiment it's going to be very, very hard to say you'll get that kind of reliable performance going forward.
This train seems to be headed right back to the same station it was in last year -- Jones the lead but not giving fantasy owners enough to start him, staying juuust ahead of RoJo in terms of touches and efficiency.
Chaka
Footballguy
Yeah, I think you mean Barber. Try to keep up man, you're embarrassing us all.
In all seriousness it really doesn't seem like Barber is "...juuust ahead of RiJo..." it seems like Barber is waaaaay ahead of RoJo in touches and we have no idea about RoJo's efficiency.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Yeah, I think you mean Barber. Try to keep up man, you're embarrassing us all.
In all seriousness it really doesn't seem like Barber is "...juuust ahead of RiJo..." it seems like Barber is waaaaay ahead of RoJo in touches and we have no idea about RoJo's efficiency.
Spot on as always, Chaka my man -- good catch.And I think you are right about the touches, Barber has historically commanded the greater share -- maybe it's more accurate to say that RoJo has always been discussed as on the verge of catching up to touches, and starts to flash, but then disappears and never seems to bring the consistency to the point where the team flips the carry load.
Still don't think that's an impossibility, but it's like seeing the same movie over and over to the point that these guys are who we think they are.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Not this time, no. The juke is where our disagreement sits.
I would say that most RBs wouldn’t try the juke.
Even if a freight train is coming down the track, the RB has to know the situation.
You don’t run sideways a yard deep in the end zone. Ever.
Even if the result is the same, the only thing any RB in that situation should do is dive forward.
He didn’t do that.
We both watched the same play multiple times & saw Barber do the same thing. So why are you giving him a pass for a terrible decision?
That’s, as they say, weak sauce.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
No. No....nonononono!
Peyton Barber going head-to-head with Luke Keuchly is a guaranteed loss. Heck, Earl Campbell vs Keuchly is a 50:50 proposition at best.
He saw the loss, which was obvious to seemingly everyone but you, and said WTF might as well try something and it came a hell of a lot closer than just commiting to the loss.
My real contention is you calling the choice "unquestionable". I get it if you say "Maybe if he did X, Y or Z" but you're calling it obvious when it couldn't be less so. There was nothing obvious about trying to run over Luke Freaking Keuchly.
You do have shares in RoJo, right? I'm rooting for him to take over the TB lead RB job but I'm not blinded by my wishes.
Same here. Didnt want him but the DD was screaming at me to draft him. Offer him and they always counter with a low ball for Gurley.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yes yes yeeeeeeees!
See, not very compelling either way.
That’s besides the point.
That’s an assumption. I saw a running back run sideways in the end zone. Taboo.
Obvious to everyone but you.
(See, that’s not very compelling of an argument either)
That’s also besides the point. Like I said - I don’t care until 2020. He’s my 6th RB, and I hope to never use him this year in either dynasty or redraft.
But it doesn’t change the absolute fact that Barber ran sideways in the end zone, a bone-headed move.
Lunge forward, he at least had a chance to get the ball 16” to avoid the safety. Instead he jumped sideways & guaranteed it.
As a bonus he damn near gave up the whole booty by fumbling - Keuchly saved him from himself there.
Wow. How could he "lunge forward" when Luke freaking Kuchly was unblocked directly in front of him in the endzone? Of course you generally don't want to be running sideways in the endzone, but in this case the only other choice would be to try and overpower one of the best tacklers in the game when he has a head of steam coming at you. And he didn't "guarantee" the safety by doing so, he almost broke the tackle and was literally inches away from it not being a safety.
Anyway, Barber isn't a great RB by any stretch, but he is (and played) better than Jones owners are willing/able to admit. Sorry for your loss.
Anyway, Barber isn't a great RB by any stretch, but he is (and played) better than Jones owners are willing/able to admit. Sorry for your loss.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
The obvious answer is he points hisself forward and lunges.humpback said:
that’s precisely how one does it regardless of what’s in front of you.
And in that circumstance it’s the correct football play.
Because of the two options, lunging forward at least gives him a chance of avoiding the safety, while going sideways guarantees it.
and it’s not like this is the first time Barber has tried that “bang it to the outside” move and been hit behind the line - he does it all the time. And he’s terrible at it.
Jones didn’t really play, so I’m not sure this is a fair comparison. RoJo in game 1 looked better than Barber on every carry.Anyway, Barber isn't a great RB by any stretch, but he is (and played) better than Jones owners are willing/able to admit. Sorry for your loss.
RoJo is a back of the bench cheap dynasty player.
I haven’t “lost” a thing. Except the lowball offers stayed low for another week when they were starting to creep up.
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Chaka
Footballguy
You must come from the Marty Schottenheimer school of inflexible football philosophy, thinking settling for FGs in the playoffs will pay off one day because "reasons!"
In this circumstance it is absolutely not the "correct football play".
And why are you trying to define what happened as him "running laterally" in the endzone when nothing of the sort happened? It is much closer to what you are saying he should have done. He jukes, doesn't run, left and lunges forward pretty much simultaneously. It came a lot closer to working than giving up and taking Keuchly (see "Freaking, Luke) head on.
Have you really watched the play repeatedly? Endzone view? Anyone have access to the all 22 footage?
He WAS pointing forward, until he saw possibly the best tackler in the NFL coming at him with a 5 yard running start a millisecond after he received the hand off. His only alternative was to try to barrel through him and drive him backwards out of the endzone. Not impossible, but not nearly as cut and dried as you want to portray it.
I didn't compare the two, but you're just being silly at this point. Carry on with your narrative, it's painfully obvious you are incapable of being unbiased here- I'm sure you'd be making the exact opposite argument had he attempted to take him head on.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
No, I come from the school of “don’t take a safety for any reason.” And “if you’re in the end zone, run straight forward trying to avoid taking a safety.”
that’s every coach’s school of coaching at every level.
Of course it was. Try to not take a safety. That’s it. There’s zero chance that running sideways makes it a good play.
I watched it several times yes. In real time. Then hit “back” on my DVR aboht 5x. They’re wonderful inventions. They let you see a bad decision over and over again. Kinda like hitting “refresh” on this topic to see you defending Barber’s decision.
